So it looks like the bootloader for Samsung's Galaxy SIII on Verizon is unlocked. What makes it possible for the S3, but not the Bionic? Does Motorola use a more complex system than Samsung? Or are the more devs working on the S3 than on the Bionic? Just curious, if someone more versed in this field knows the answer I'd love to know.
Cheers.
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So it looks like the bootloader for Samsung's Galaxy SIII on Verizon is unlocked. What makes it possible for the S3, but not the Bionic? Does Motorola use a more complex system than Samsung? Or are the more devs working on the S3 than on the Bionic? Just curious, if someone more versed in this field knows the answer I'd love to know.
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File used came from somewhere like an inside source at Samsung or something. Our bootloader is encrypted, locked, and not a popular device other than us idiots who had to have dual core 4g, lol. Not happening.
No one actually unlocked the GS3 bootloader. Someone managed to leak an engineering bootloader that doesn't do signature-checking. That's the extent of the unlocking that happened on the Galaxy S3. No one brute-forced it. No one patched it. No one reverse-engineered it. It's a bootloader replacement, not a bootloader crack.
Motorola has been putting out locked bootloaders for over two years now (starting with the Droid X). Dozens of extremely clever individuals have made attempts to break it, but to no avail. Even if you want to use the Atrix & Photon as examples of "unlocking" the bootloader, the process was the same on those devices as it is on the S3. They're leaks of unsecure versions of that devices bootloader.
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If you're looking for something to ask motorola that will make our phones better, is possible for them to do and is almost somewhat expected (I keep thinking about how they say they're striving to work with the rom development community ...) feel free to post your thoughts for motorola here. An unlocked bootloader would allow us to run a custom kernel on our phones, I imagine CM9 would be up within days of motorola offering a bootloader unlock solution!!
Excellent point! I think begging for an early upgrade is silly, but asking for an unlocked bootloader would make our phones that much better. I would rather have a D3 with lots of Dev support, than a locked down D4. I came from a droid Incredible and the Dev support was great, and it breathed life into a phone that was somewhat dated.
Dear Moto, please unlock the bootloader.
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Willis111 said:
I imagine CM9 would be up within days of motorola offering a bootloader unlock solution!!
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Running CM9 now... only real issues are Camera, B key not working on keyboard, and the data being somewhat flaky for people, although it works fine once you get it going. Just be patient, we have great devs and don't really need an unlock. It would be nice though.
Motorola is okay with unlocking the bootloader from what I've heard but Verizon doesn't want it. From locked bootloaders to forced bloatware to removing Google Wallet from the Nexus, its clear that Verizon just loves to screw with Android. When are they going to learn the most people only want to use your network, we could care less about anything you have to offer.
I would sign that petition
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I'd be happy with an unlocked bootloader. This phone has the power to run ICS. Even if they never give us ICS, make it easy to make on our own...cause we sure as hell will.
spunker88 said:
Motorola is okay with unlocking the bootloader from what I've heard but Verizon doesn't want it. From locked bootloaders to forced bloatware to removing Google Wallet from the Nexus, its clear that Verizon just loves to screw with Android. When are they going to learn the most people only want to use your network, we could care less about anything you have to offer.
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idk y Verizon would let samsung unlock bootloaders and not motorola. Nexus is unlockable. Google Wallet is blocked becasue Verizon (+partners) spent $100Million (or something ridic) in a very similar banking product.
I was referencing a story where Verizon removed the option to unlock the bootloader on the Razr.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/24/mo...oader-tool-for-droid-razr-verizon-removes-it/
maybe we should start a petition to verizon to get a unlockable to all of there phones because its more and more on verizon then the companys, HTC listen, Moto said they would be nothing from Verizon
MrJudylicious said:
idk y Verizon would let samsung unlock bootloaders and not motorola. Nexus is unlockable.
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Since it is a development phone for the new OS, I think that the Nexus *must* be unlockable. It's the same reason why the Xoom is unlockable - it was the reference device for Honeycomb. So, if the next Nexus phone is Motorola, and it's on Verizon, it should also be unlockable.
Google Wallet is blocked becasue Verizon (+partners) spent $100Million (or something ridic) in a very similar banking product.
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Maybe, or perhaps it was because of this?: Google Wallet stores too much unencrypted data in a rooted device--report
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Maybe, or perhaps it was because of this?: Google Wallet stores too much unencrypted data in a rooted device--report
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I wonder if they would consider that when they disallow rooting in the first place. More likely a play to insure that phone's stay locked to their network with their software. I can also see it from a support perspective but with custom roms available you change your first support step to "restore the original software, does it work now" and continue like normal from there.
i'm a little confused it seems tons of Devs have united and are trying to crack the bootloader for the GS3 for verizon but im a little lost as i am new to motorola phones.
Why has this not happen to any of the newer motorola droid phones? it seems there getting this thing cracked fast but the Droid 4 and razr still have locked boot loaders and these were more of a flag ship phone over the GS3. has no one made this big of a deal over a motorola phone?
Probably because Motorola bootloaders have been locked for quite some time, and nobody (that I am aware of) has managed to crack them.
The original Milestone's bootloader hasn't been cracked even.
Luckily, we can still get around the bootloader issue via safestrap, and I'm hoping the kexec exploit.
Was there this big of a uproar when the milestone came out? Or any other motorola phone with a locked boot loader? It just seems motorola is not that big of a deal compared to samsung
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icebear8 said:
Was there this big of a uproar when the milestone came out? Or any other motorola phone with a locked boot loader? It just seems motorola is not that big of a deal compared to samsung
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Quite the opposite, which is why we have SafeStrap. Remember, the locked bootloader is not exactly Moto's "fault", it's just that it is what the carrier asks of them. This may be for various reasons, including that the MPAA requires locked bootloaders on any device with Netflix preloaded. (Hence, the locked boot loader on the Nook Tablet)
Motorola, however, is one of the few companies to "properly" lock their device. When they say "locked" they mean it. No one has yet figured out a way around it, but instead we're investigating kexec and options like Safestrap that give us sometimes more options than other manufacturers, and without even having to hack the bootloader itself.
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Quite the opposite, which is why we have SafeStrap. Remember, the locked bootloader is not exactly Moto's "fault", it's just that it is what the carrier asks of them. This may be for various reasons, including that the MPAA requires locked bootloaders on any device with Netflix preloaded. (Hence, the locked boot loader on the Nook Tablet)
Motorola, however, is one of the few companies to "properly" lock their device. When they say "locked" they mean it. No one has yet figured out a way around it, but instead we're investigating kexec and options like Safestrap that give us sometimes more options than other manufacturers, and without even having to hack the bootloader itself.
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but i see alot of stuff saying moto was gonna make a program like HTC has that unlocked it for you is that true?
They had the program to unlock it, but verizon prevented them from releasing it. Also one reason I think that theres such an uproar about the gs3 is because there ARE other models of the gs3 with unlocked bootloaders and samsung promised to have unlocked phones, while moto has never had an unlocked phone since the OG droid.
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Is it something like the Galaxy S2 AT&T vs International? Are ROMs cross compatible?
I'm considering picking up an Xperia TL and retiring my S2, but I've seen no ROMs for the TL on this forum and I don't really understand the differences between models.
AFAIK the TL has LTE, but the T doesn't
So, a T ROM with a TL modem flashed might work fine? There seems to be almost zero information about the TL on this forum.
this might help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1975849
Eckyx said:
So, a T ROM with a TL modem flashed might work fine? There seems to be almost zero information about the TL on this forum.
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You can flash a T Rom, but exclude baseband and your LTE connectivity will not be affected.
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Eckyx said:
So, a T ROM with a TL modem flashed might work fine? There seems to be almost zero information about the TL on this forum.
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Just gotta look for it. If you have any TL specific questions let me know, but search first as there has been info already posted covering things.
I found a post, the one talking about the TL having a locked bootloader. What a bummer. It looks like a fantastic phone for the price, but the lack of community for it is disheartening.
Don't give up yet
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I found a post, the one talking about the TL having a locked bootloader. What a bummer. It looks like a fantastic phone for the price, but the lack of community for it is disheartening.
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While trendy phones get picked up this holiday season its phones like the TL that stand out in the bunch, besides the 007 tie in it is quite evolutionary with its small apps and 13 mp camera. This phone has only been here state side for a few months and I'm sure if there are devs that cracked open the Verizon sgs3 bootloader there will be someone that will be able to.
I guess I'm in the same boat
So I would have to follow the same rule as the TL in this case?
I got the T but with LTE (LT30a); not the TL (LT30at)
Apparently Bell locked the bootloader too. I guess I will have to downgrade in order to unlock it?
PiePiePie said:
So I would have to follow the same rule as the TL in this case?
I got the T but with LTE (LT30a); not the TL (LT30at)
Apparently Bell locked the bootloader too. I guess I will have to downgrade in order to unlock it?
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You would have to get a factory unlocked device to unlock the bootloader. There is currently no way to unlock the bootloader of a LT30 that is locked.
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While trendy phones get picked up this holiday season its phones like the TL that stand out in the bunch, besides the 007 tie in it is quite evolutionary with its small apps and 13 mp camera. This phone has only been here state side for a few months and I'm sure if there are devs that cracked open the Verizon sgs3 bootloader there will be someone that will be able to.
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The holes that were used to compromise the Verizon GS3 bootloader and the Verizon GN2 bootloader aren't valid for the TL.
All T variants (in fact almost all Sonys) ship with secure boot enabled. What unlocks the bootloader is the presence of extra data derived from the IMEI using an algorithm known only to Sony.
It's different from Samsungs where most devices ship without secure boot enabled (chain of trust is dropped early on in the boot sequence), and so most compromises on the Verizon variants involve taking a bootloader from an insecure device on a different carrier and placing it on a secure one. With the Sonys, there is no insecure device to pull a BL from.
In the case of GN2:
Secure bootloader replaced with insecure one from a similar device
In the case of GS3:
Samsung really didn't want to lock the device, and it was done at the last minute, so the locking was halfassed - recovery was not checked on execution, although the final break was that a source of unknown identity leaked a security-dropped bootloader.
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The holes that were used to compromise the Verizon GS3 bootloader and the Verizon GN2 bootloader aren't valid for the TL.
All T variants (in fact almost all Sonys) ship with secure boot enabled. What unlocks the bootloader is the presence of extra data derived from the IMEI using an algorithm known only to Sony.
It's different from Samsungs where most devices ship without secure boot enabled (chain of trust is dropped early on in the boot sequence), and so most compromises on the Verizon variants involve taking a bootloader from an insecure device on a different carrier and placing it on a secure one. With the Sonys, there is no insecure device to pull a BL from.
In the case of GN2:
Secure bootloader replaced with insecure one from a similar device
In the case of GS3:
Samsung really didn't want to lock the device, and it was done at the last minute, so the locking was halfassed - recovery was not checked on execution, although the final break was that a source of unknown identity leaked a security-dropped bootloader.
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I was just stating the enthusiasm and effort that was put forth to cracked the bootloader not the exact method itself.
Hi,
I'm pretty new to the Android thing having come from apple devices and I was wondering about something. My AT&T phone is loaded with crapware and crippleware (meaning Kitkat). I read the (rather complicated to a novice) thread about how to root an ANG3 device, and that's all well and good. I might even try it at some point. But to my question:
If I have an UNLOCKED device -- meaning I can take that device to any other provider (like verizon) to get my service, does that mean that the bootloader will no longer be encrypted and the device can be rooted? I ask not for the phone, but because AT&T just ruined my awesome Samsung Note 8 by forcing Kitkat on it. Critical functions that I use that table for are now trashed and the tablet is almost useless to me. If I can talk them into unlocking the tablet (which has LTE), will that mean that the boot loader is no longer encrypted and I might have a chance at rooting the thing to get back my functionality?
Thanks
CKR83 said:
Hi,
I'm pretty new to the Android thing having come from apple devices and I was wondering about something. My AT&T phone is loaded with crapware and crippleware (meaning Kitkat). I read the (rather complicated to a novice) thread about how to root an ANG3 device, and that's all well and good. I might even try it at some point. But to my question:
If I have an UNLOCKED device -- meaning I can take that device to any other provider (like verizon) to get my service, does that mean that the bootloader will no longer be encrypted and the device can be rooted? I ask not for the phone, but because AT&T just ruined my awesome Samsung Note 8 by forcing Kitkat on it. Critical functions that I use that table for are now trashed and the tablet is almost useless to me. If I can talk them into unlocking the tablet (which has LTE), will that mean that the boot loader is no longer encrypted and I might have a chance at rooting the thing to get back my functionality?
Thanks
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No just because your device is carrier unlocked it has nothing to do with the bootloader that's locked down tight. As far rooting your phone from muniz_ri thread,which I think that's what you're talking about, if you follow his instructions and know how to use Odin it's actually quite simple.
With your Note 8 that's something I'm not familiar with but shouldn't be to hard to search for in XDA good luck I'm sorry I haven't totally answered your question.
"All we know is...He's called the Stig!"
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s5freak said:
No just because your device is carrier unlocked it has nothing to do with the bootloader that's locked down tight. As far rooting your phone from muniz_ri thread,which I think that's what you're talking about, if you follow his instructions and know how to use Odin it's actually quite simple.
With your Note 8 that's something I'm not familiar with but shouldn't be to hard to search for in XDA good luck I'm sorry I haven't totally answered your question.
"All we know is...He's called the Stig!"
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You did, actually, answer my question -- the important one anyway. It's unfortunate that I'm stuck with a crippled device, but it'll just teach me to buy something different in the future.
Thanks!
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You did, actually, answer my question -- the important one anyway. It's unfortunate that I'm stuck with a crippled device, but it'll just teach me to buy something different in the future.
Thanks!
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I love my Rooted S5 actually best device I've ever owned but that's just me. I've had the Galaxy device from the S2 thru to the S5. I've flashed practically every AOSP and T/W Rom for every one but the S5 and I've flashed every T/W for it. I prefer the stability of T/W actually. I'm probably in the minority in that respect and I'm eagerly looking forward to the S6 next year.
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i hope the devs support the droid turbo.
verizon locks down the droid tight.
With the nexus 6 also coming out it'll be a coin toss. Motorola has been cool about it since Google had it but now Lenovo takes over...
i think Sunshine V3.0 will work.. fingers crossed.
its so similar in hardware to nexus 6, time will tell.
Jaocagomez said:
its so similar in hardware to nexus 6, time will tell.
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I think the comparison would be to a moto X 2nd Gen. It's got more similar firmware.
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Jaocagomez said:
its so similar in hardware to nexus 6, time will tell.
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It literally takes ONE TINY THING which has nothing to do with advertised specs to make the phone bullet proof, or at least impermeable by usual means.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=56172538&postcount=20
jmonroe0914 said:
If you're going to comment on a dev forum, at least understand the terminology before you use it... otherwise it makes you seem ignorant. "UNLOCKED" and "UNLOCKING THE BOOTLOADER" are two very different things that have ZERO to do with one another.
All LTE CDMA phones for the past 2 years that use a SIM are "unlocked", as this refers to the carrier lock that is placed on the device when it is sold in bulk to network providers (which is why you have three network settings in your phones setting menu - LTE, GSM, and Global). Don't use terminology you don't understand, as you're adding to the ignorance too many seem to have about what unlocking is and what unlocking a bootloader is. It makes it only that much harder for other individuals to get the correct information, and is the reason why a VZW rep tried to tell me I don't need a developer edition to unlock my phone, because all LTE devices are unlocked when I tried to explain I was looking for a developer edition so I could unlock the bootloader.
Very few Verizon phones have the capability to unlock the phone's bootloader, which allows for rooting without an exploit and the ability to flash custom ROMs (firmware), such as Cyanagenmod. Those of you believing root will appear on any new Motorola phones are not well versed in Motorola phones sold by Verizon. Dan Rosenberg, who is the person anyone with a Motorola device on Verizon has to to thank for the last half decade of being able to root your Motorola VZW phones, has repeatedly posted on numerous threads for over a year to not expect for your Motorola devices to be rooted and if you want root, either buy a Nexus or buy a Developer Edition (if VZW is going to release any more editions after the S5 is not known and information about Developer Editions for the Note 4 Droid Turbo have been repeatedly ignored by VZW's Public Affairs office). This is due to the fact VZW has wizened up and made finding an exploit on anything past 4.4.4 nigh impossible. Exploits that allow root access are not easy to find (taking several months for most VZW Moto root exploits) and as soon as one is found, within a matter of weeks, if not days, VZW will push an automatic update, forcing your phone to update to patch the exploit. This is why when you root your phone you're told to disable OTA updates at the apk level by freezing the update apk or removing it all together after making a backup of it.
Many Motorola users got a surprise in late Spring when a Moto employee "accidentally" included the exploited code that allowed you to blow the fuse and unlock the bootloader of devices running 4.4.2. That was a once in a billion opportunity that will probably never happen again. Every time an exploit has been found that allowed root access or the ability to unlock the bootloader (which was only recently cracked in the past year, possibly two... to put that in perspective, it took over half a decade for Dan Rosenberg to find the exploit that allowed the internal fuse to be blown, unlocking the bootloader). Exploits are not easy things to find, especially in Motorola devices running on VZW's network.
To all of those that like to post root bounties... BUY A DEVELOPER EDITION. You'll pay $300 for a device and then offer $300+ for a root bounty... which is the cost of developer edition device... considering VZW offers Edge, you no longer have to pay full retail in one go for a DE. From this point forward, VZW customers need to comprehend the fact that rooting will continue to be increasingly difficult to perform, most especially on Moto phones running on VZW's network. If you want root access, buy the S5 developer edition or wait until the first week of december to see if a developer edition for the Note 4 will be released (if a Note 4 DE is going to be released, it will occur within the 4 - 6 weeks following it's RTM on 10/23 [Thursday]).
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The answer is no, you will probably never see a root exploit for the Droid Turbo. The person above linked to one of my prior posts on a different thread, and it comes down to two fundamental facts... there is probably not going to be a DE of the Turbo because of the Nexus 6, and rooting a non-bootloader unlocked device once it's running Android 5.0 [Lollipop] and beyond is damn near impossible. The latter has to do withe SELinux and how Google locked down the partitions and permissions. ChainFire wrote two posts on Google+ that explain in great detail why those without unlocked bootloader can kiss rooting goodbye. It's not impossible, however it is highly improbable a root exploit will be found, in the same way it's possible the Earth could be hit today by a 5 mile wide asteroid, but it's highly improbable.
The new security features Google built into Android 5.0 is a double edged sword... on one hand they've finally addressed issues that, as of today, make Android the least secure OS on the market; however, the security that all of us most definitely want makes it highly unlikely a root exploit could be run on a non-bootloader unlocked device. The only reason it would work on an unlocked bootloader device is because a previous kernel could be flashed that would allow the exploit to run at bootup (flashing kernels is prevented by locked bootloaders).
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I hope so