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EBAY!?!! selling all your hard work

just FYI not sure if anyone has seen this douche bag. appears he is making a nice living off of your guys' hard work. i think this user should be made an example of. anyone with any ideas?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250421549454

yeah he is making a killing selling those.

Probably hasn't sold any, but I reported.

derekwilkinson said:
Probably hasn't sold any, but I reported.
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Check his feedback profile..
You'll weep when you see how many CDs he sold for 50 pop EACH!!!

derekwilkinson said:
Probably hasn't sold any, but I reported.
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ya nearly all his feedback ratings are from $50 a pop on that cd. he's got over 150 positive feedbacks. i also reported prior to the original thread posting cuz thats just wrong imo.

yes Im danielmex_83
jajaja i sent him a message wanna see it? hahaha just for fun you know!
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there are many people that loves everything easy... even if it cost 50 bucks.

Thats insane. I can't even begin to imagine the people that have been scammed out of 50 bucks for stuff that is completely free. And no credit to those that developed the software. Shame

He answers me!
HAHAHAHAH well I ask him if he can shipp the cd to the bermudas triangle!
he answers...
hahaha didnt you live on Mexico? hahahaha god damn! this guy is so funny!

I sent a question as to why he sells things that are free to find, he replied with:
"I charge mainly for the tutorial and personal assistance. I throw in all the apps, etc. in as a bonus. I have donated to the programmers and it took hours and hours of how to figure this stuff out and what to install first, etc."
I don't think there's much wrong with this, although AUD$60 is a bit much and I disagree with "All of these games, apps and themes are easily worth over $800" as they are (mostly) free.
I think we need some of the opinions of the devs who's software is on this CD.

^^^ Well he is not lying, he is NOT scamming anyone. I mean, yea he makes money off this, but he has just taken all the effort we enjoy, playing around with stuff... some users just want to have everything handed to them, and with support AU$60 is pretty good if I were non-geek.
He is noy doing anything illegal, I think some ppl are jealous? report? for what?
I've seen ppl sell freeware before, it is not illegal if he is adding something beneficial to the sale (his tuts and support).
I don't hate, but that's just me!
Is it over priced.. YES, is it a scam... NO! Is it wrong.. Maybe... Is it illegal... NO!
But it goes against an unwritten code, but thats it.
If i offered a service to install MS Office 2007 and tech support it for 3mths for 50 bucks, nothing wrong with that... right? Software vendors LIVE off this 'support'.
Anyway, it has broken a code and I see where you guys are pissed, but reporting? c'mon get over it.

aaron11193 said:
I sent a question as to why he sells things that are free to find, he replied with:
"I charge mainly for the tutorial and personal assistance. I throw in all the apps, etc. in as a bonus. I have donated to the programmers and it took hours and hours of how to figure this stuff out and what to install first, etc."
I don't think there's much wrong with this, although AUD$60 is a bit much and I disagree with "All of these games, apps and themes are easily worth over $800" as they are (mostly) free.
I think we need some of the opinions of the devs who's software is on this CD.
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I think what he is doing is partly illegal, at least in reference to s2u, on the page of A_C it's stated directly under freeware licence "You are NOT allowed to make a charge for distributing this Software whether as a stand-alone product, or as part of a compilation or anthology, without explicit prior written permission." Probably there is something similar about other apps/games on the CD, at least I could imagine Microsoft and google are providing something similar. Whether he donated to the programmers or not don't changes anything about his permissions applying there software.

x86 said:
^^^ Well he is not lying, he is NOT scamming anyone. I mean, yea he makes money off this, but he has just taken all the effort we enjoy, playing around with stuff... some users just want to have everything handed to them, and with support AU$60 is pretty good if I were non-geek.
He is noy doing anything illegal, I think some ppl are jealous? report? for what?
I've seen ppl sell freeware before, it is not illegal if he is adding something beneficial to the sale (his tuts and support).
I don't hate, but that's just me!
Is it over priced.. YES, is it a scam... NO! Is it wrong.. Maybe... Is it illegal... NO!
But it goes against an unwritten code, but thats it.
If i offered a service to install MS Office 2007 and tech support it for 3mths for 50 bucks, nothing wrong with that... right? Software vendors LIVE off this 'support'.
Anyway, it has broken a code and I see where you guys are pissed, but reporting? c'mon get over it.
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Hi everybody, and thanks x86 for not posting like drdrew and Que. I have been selling these disks and guess what? I am not the first or the last to do it. I bought an HTC phone and wanted to make it cool like the stuff I found on the internet for FREE. However, I had NO clue of how to do it. I didn't know you had to install NETCFsetup35 first. I didn't know you had to install Batteryand Performance Hack, then SDKcerts, then finix, etc in THAT order. These are things that took a while to learn how to do. I couldn't find a thread on what, how or when to do these things and I am pretty computer literate. Someone else was selling the phones with the programs on them first and I decided I would write an easy to understand tutorial and sell my own disks so others could enjoy. This is called free enterprise.
I don't and never have taken credit for anyone's work and have donated to the sites I have gone to and talked with a few of the programmers. Bongsu has awesome themes and I have donated to vicotts site after he said that's where the money should go. I donated to XDA. PPCgeeks as well. Have I talked to all of them? No. I could take ALL the apps, themes and games off and the tutorial I created is worth it alone. Not only that, but many of my customers have had to call me and ask for support. I have spent hours on the phone helping some people who are completely computer illiterate step by step to make their phones so fun and cool. I offer the disks at $50 with a Best Offer option as well. Some people buy for $40 and some for $35. x86, It's not overpriced when you consider the support. Just like you said, companies make a TON of money on support. I was just offered the great deal of $129.99 from Dell to help me resolve a ONE-time issue with my computer. Support costs money.
I guarantee if you ask any of the people who have bought the disk, not a one of them feels scammed. Why would they? I talk them through it to help them. The tutorial is very easy to understand but some people are not savvy. Actually, I have had many of my customers tell me I am not charging enough! That's no joke. I started at $24.99 and was told over and over I was charging too LITTLE! Why would any programmer be upset as there programs are on more phones? That's why they are created; to have fun and make phones look cool. But there was nobody to help me and many others understand HOW to do it!
The people buying these disks have seen many of the programs on the internet and know they are out there for free, yet they still buy my tutorial. I include the urls to PPCgeeks and XDA in my tutorial as well as other sites. That way they can then do it for themselves after they learn how to do it from me the FIRST time.
I simply sold what most people like, the easy route. And I just thought it would be cool to put a bunch of programs on the disk to get these people started! All the things I have put on that disk are found on the internet for FREE, Except for TWO things; my tutorial and phone support. I charge for that. If you have a problem with that, you are free to feel that way. If you want to pay my cell phone bill, let me know. But the fact is, nobody who has purchased this disk has come back to say they want their money back. I have 100% feedback. That should tell you something.
Edit: If someone wants to contact me, feel free to do so but name calling and insults are childish.

Want to Clear Things Up said:
Edit: If someone wants to contact me, feel free to do so but name calling and insults are childish.
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This account has been banned for being a sock-puppet.
Please use your real account "Sho'nuff" for replying to questions like these Roy.
EqX

Thanks Equinox
Its been a while since i have see you on wizard forums, jejeje long time ago i think since manilla 2d comes to town, thanks for let us know that this guy, maybe a memeber from here makes a new user saying want to clear thinks up... want? or wish i could? moron!
Im so angry about this! Really. but what can i win? nothing but healty decrease so lets over this situation.
Well this guy contacts me telling me ebay has some policy's and dont allow to post the logo! well i will edit only... my... Screenshots... and post the screenshot of his PM to me.
To let you know how this guys operate his dirty tricks i mean is not illegal no no no i know I know if he wants to earn some bucks showing his ass on the street please make it where nobody can see you, is immoral!
well here you go (just to have truth on my words)
wanna the reply here it is...
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You know, I would appreciate you taking down your posts. I answered your questions honestly and did nothing wrong to you. eBay also has a strict policy of using their logos and posting private emails on a public thread. I think if you read my email on this thread, you will see what I offer is a tutorial and personal assistance and am not scamming or hurting anyone. You have your right to say you don't like it and that's fine, but again, I would appreciate you taking down the screen shots.
Also, if you look on eBay, you will see there have been others who have done it. There is someone else selling a disk right now and someone selling a phone with the programs on it.
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OK! its fine for me, but only if you go to the forum where you saw that screenshoots and post this same words... if you dont do it i will, then, i will edit my posts, I think the administrator of this site will be happy with this agreement.
Cheers dude! see you later.
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Dont support this kind of people they never will have sense of good things or bad things, be smart guys be more than this guys, learn more and more you will love this machines, really and can support the learning growing up this lazy mankind we are turning into.
+ Que PPC

+ Que PPC said:
Its been a while since i have see you on wizard forums, jejeje long time ago i think since manilla 2d comes to town, thanks for let us know that this guy, maybe a memeber from here makes a new user saying want to clear thinks up... want? or wish i could? moron!
Im so angry about this! Really. but what can i win? nothing but healty decrease so lets over this situation.
Well this guy contacts me telling me ebay has some policy's and dont allow to post the logo! well i will edit only... my... Screenshots... and post the screenshot of his PM to me.
To let you know how this guys operate his dirty tricks i mean is not illegal no no no i know I know if he wants to earn some bucks showing his ass on the street please make it where nobody can see you, is immoral!
well here you go (just to have truth on my words)
wanna the reply here it is...
Dont support this kind of people they never will have sense of good things or bad things, be smart guys be more than this guys, learn more and more you will love this machines, really and can support the learning growing up this lazy mankind we are turning into.
+ Que PPC
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I may as well write this on the public forum since it seems you are the dirty one who cannot keep a private conversation private. Also, I created the other name so people wouldn't flood my regular email so I created a new email and name for that. But guess what? Not a single email has come to me with a problem or insults. Actually, I got an email from someone on this thread telling me I did a great job explaining.
And by the way, your screenshots still show eBay licensed information. Your posting of a private email on a public forum doesn't go over well either. I will ask you to remove them again. XDA is a great site and doesn't need trouble because of your posts.
Hey Ben, I mean Equinox, you should do the right thing and take down the screenshots if Mr. Que here doesn't decide to. Or should I just contact the administrator?
I find it quite funny you come on here using words like moron and how angry this makes you when in reality you have not created any of these programs. Maybe it's possible you're jealous that you don't have the common sense to write a tutorial and offer support to folks who want their phones to have these great features and at the same time turn a little profit? Not all people who buy these phones know anything about these apps, themes and games. I was a first time Win Mo user and had NO idea about this stuff. Try to look at the positive aspect. Many more people know about these great things and HOW TO INSTALL them. That's what you're not getting. You seem to think the people who bought this disk are lazy. No, they are not as computer savvy as some of us are. They need help. And when I went to forums to find out stuff, it was SO much info to take in that I just about said forget it. And I wasn't sure about viruses or what to install or what needed to be installed, etc.
I have 13 sent messages in my outbox from March that I sent to people asking for help when I first joined this site. Guess how many answered? ZERO. I finally found someone who helped me, and it wasn't from this site, and then I took off from there. It's not lazy QUE, but I think you know that. Or maybe you don't. How did YOU come to learn how to do these things? How did most people on these forums? They are either IT's, creators, real computer savvy or got help from someone. Well, I am one who waited about a month after getting my phone to finally find someone to help me.
So I decided to offer assistance to other people which includes phone support. Do you have a cell phone QUE? Do you pay your own bill? They're not free, are they? Also, you never mentioned the fact that I have donated and talked with some of the actual programmers. No, you seem to just listen to what you want and write what will incite others.
And the fact is, people were doing this BEFORE me, selling phones with all the programs on them for $500 when I bought my phone back in March. I didn't need another phone, I just needed to learn how to get the programs. So that's what I offered to others. And to be able to actually call me and I would walk them through it step by step. Read the feedback and you will see that. There was another guy selling the disks before me and ALL he had on them was apps and themes and games and no phone support. People came to me because they needed help. Too bad you only look at the negative and try to paint me as a bad person. The people who bought my disk don't think so and love these forums.
That's a whole other realm you don't even realize. I have sold a few of these disks and that means, a whole new group of people have come to these sites, like XDA and PPCGeeks and likely have donated to get a new theme, etc. or have contributed in some other way. And it also brings in more clicks to these sites. Did you know that or even think about that?
I have been truthful and can walk away from this with my head up high as I know I have helped so many other people. I don't post private messages, I don't use childish insults. I came here to try to set the record straight. I believe I have done so. Obviously not with you Que, but that's okay. People will always disagree in this world.

What I don't understand, is why so many people without a vested interest in this, are getting so worked up about it. What this guy did was very enterprising, very illegal, but very enterprising.
It is not up to anyone but the developers of the apps, to go after this guy. If you go by the feedback alone, he has sold $7500 worth of other peoples work. That is not chump change.
The courts have been very clear on this, most recently with music sampling. If you sample someone elses music on your rap CD, be prepared to pay. Record companies have already had to pay big bucks for artists who have been caught sampling on their CDs. This is nothing more than sampling.
Being a semi-professional writer, I will also say that one does not need to professionally copyright his work in order for the court to side with the original publisher against someone trying to profit from their work. How many times do you see people suing songwriters and screenwriters for stealing ideas , thoughts and passages. Many times the courts have sided with, and movie companies have been forced to settle with, people who have proved that an idea was originally theirs, even without an " official " copyright.
Trying to prove that he wasn't selling the apps, just the instruction and support, is very shaky legal ground indeed. But it is up to the original publishers of the programs to sue for their share of the profits, I hardly think it is worthwhile for us to bicker about it.

denco7 said:
What I don't understand, is why so many people without a vested interest in this, are getting so worked up about it. What this guy did was very enterprising, very illegal, but very enterprising.
It is not up to anyone but the developers of the apps, to go after this guy. If you go by the feedback alone, he has sold $7500 worth of other peoples work. That is not chump change.
The courts have been very clear on this, most recently with music sampling. If you sample someone elses music on your rap CD, be prepared to pay. Record companies have already had to pay big bucks for artists who have been caught sampling on their CDs. This is nothing more than sampling.
Being a semi-professional writer, I will also say that one does not need to professionally copyright his work in order for the court to side with the original publisher against someone trying to profit from their work. How many times to you see people sueing songwriters and screenwriters for stealing ideas , thoughts and passages. Many times the courts have sided with, and movie companies have been forced to settle with people who have proved that an idea was origanally theirs, even without an " official " copyright.
Trying to prove that he wasn't selling the apps, just the instruction and support, is very shaky legal ground indeed. But it is up to the original publishers of the programs to sue for their share of the profits, I hardly think it is worthwhile for us to bicker about it.
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Dude, your math is way off. I sold some HTC phones too, so maybe that's how you added about $6,000 wrong lol. I sold maybe 40 CD's and many people didn't even pay $50. I let some go for as little as $25. You also didn't include how muh eBay and Paypal take out for their fees. As far as illegal, most of the developers say if you want to share, include the url where it came from. I also donated to those programmers.
But I did agree with you on the fact that it was enterprising, thanks. My tutorial is what sold. My personal assistance is what sold. If you read the feedback you will see that. These people now have the ammo to search and find more and know HOW to do it.

pablo96 said:
I think what he is doing is partly illegal, at least in reference to s2u, on the page of A_C it's stated directly under freeware licence "You are NOT allowed to make a charge for distributing this Software whether as a stand-alone product, or as part of a compilation or anthology, without explicit prior written permission." Probably there is something similar about other apps/games on the CD, at least I could imagine Microsoft and google are providing something similar. Whether he donated to the programmers or not don't changes anything about his permissions applying there software.
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I completely agree. I think if a wrote a small tutorial on Firefox and packaged it with firefox 3 and sold it on ebay for $50, it would be quite an issue. This is no different. Just because you're dealing with an individual's product instead of a corporation doesn't give you the right to package it without there permission, when they intended for it to be free, and sell it for money. This would be PERFECTLY FINE if he was selling tutorials for the products, noting that they are 100% free applications, and that you are being charged for the tutorials. However, leading people to believe that they are getting a great deal on tons of apps is awful and dishonest.

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As far as illegal, most of the developers say if you want to share, include the url where it came from. I also donated to those programmers.
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you said MOST, not ALL., can you see the difference?
But I did agree with you on the fact that it was enterprising, thanks. My tutorial is what sold. My personal assistance is what sold. If you read the feedback you will see that. These people now have the ammo to search and find more and know HOW to do it.
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You are not advertising your personal assistance, you are advertising the applications.
See the difference?
So yes, you are ILLEGALLY selling software (freeware) from which is known that the authors (like A_C) don't want to be redistributed.
As far as "personal assistance" goes, well I have read into your posts, you are far from an expert on Windows Mobile to say at least.
I am closing this thread before any valued (actually contributing) senior member is going to cross the line and have to face punitive actions.
As for you, since you obviously ignore this:
S2U2, S2P & S2V are being distributed as Freeware. It may be freely used, copied and distributed as long as it is not sold, and all original files are included, including this license. You are NOT allowed to make a charge for distributing this Software whether as a stand-alone product, or as part of a compilation or anthology, without explicit prior written permission.
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, actions against you are being taken.
Regards to the actual contributing members,
EqX

[Jan. 23]Android Concept Cases

If you would want this idea to be made, post a reply saying so! The more support, the more chance we can make this project work!
1-23​*Update* I've been working very hard on this project. I've updated my "Blueprints" and will be making side & back views plus way more ideas than you can throw a stick at. I know this post is not much but pics and some words but just be patient. I will be throwing these models out to the marketers as soon as they're done. I want to try to get these made and ready to be sold for anyone that wants one before the end of this year. I know that's a stretch on time, but I'm still learning about the business side of distributing sadly to say, but if you have any pointers or anything you can help with, feel free to PM me or leave your feedback below! Thanks
-Bryan​
1-22​Hi everyone! I have been looking all over to find a case for my HD2. So far the only case that I found is an Otterbox Defender Series. It's a really nice case but I think the grey is a gross color for it plus, we now have the ability to have nothing but the Android OS on our device right? So why do we have to have the windows buttons? Why can't we have Android looking buttons? Why do we spend so much money and time on something we can't completely make our own (considering the T-Mobile logo at the top if you have a TMOUS HD2 like I do but don't use a T-Mobile SIM card)? That brings me to my point. That's why I made this concept drawing. I want it to be a rubber cover that goes snuggly over the device like an Otterbox Defender Case. I designed these two models to have custom made Android buttons. If anyone would want to help this project or want to give me any pointers to help me make this happen, PM me or leave your feedback below
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I like the idea, but the manufacturing costs will be quite high for individual units. I'm sure Otterbox wouldn't design and construct a new outer-case for a few consumers. If you have the means to manufacture them yourself, be wary of the patents in place by Otterbox.
Either way, good luck. If you can pull it off, I'd get one.

I don't think it's proper for you to solicit for money for your pet project. Basically, all you've said is "Donate/Pay me and I might work on this concept drawing based on someone else's case."
Now think about it objectively, would *You* find that a bit odd from someone with a handful of posts on the forum?
Btw, those buttons aren't even the shape of the HD2 buttons.
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Just looking at the forum rules, yeah, asking for upfront donations is a "NO-NO":
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8. Donations.
As a user you're allowed to ask for donations in your signature as a thank you for your hard work. However donations up front are not allowed, this forum is about sharing, not about getting paid to do something, that's what your job is for.
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i dont really see the point of doing this

apallohadas said:
I don't think it's proper for you to solicit for money for your pet project. Basically, all you've said is "Donate/Pay me and I might work on this concept drawing based on someone else's case."
Now think about it objectively, would *You* find that a bit odd from someone with a handful of posts on the forum?
Btw, those buttons aren't even the shape of the HD2 buttons.
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Just looking at the forum rules, yeah, asking for upfront donations is a "NO-NO":
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Ok first off, these xda forums is designed for new ideas and progression. Not for people to criticize when you don't know what your talking about. What I was saying is "I'm going to develop and make these cases with a style like Otterbox." I'm not asking anyone to donate me. I'm not asking anyone to like this case either. I'm simply asking for ideas on the case. I want people to get exactly what they want. It's people like you that intimidates people into not saying any ideas that could possibly turn into something great. I will make this case and when I do, you'll find that when you get off your period that you shouldn't discourage people. Only give good criticism. And the whole phone is covered with the rubber for the case besides the screen. Do some research before you open your mouth.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytsfeLK7Bc0

sbryan12144 said:
Ok first off, these xda forums is designed for new ideas and progression. Not for people to criticize when you don't know what your talking about. What I was saying is "I'm going to develop and make these cases with a style like Otterbox." I'm not asking anyone to donate me. I'm not asking anyone to like this case either. I'm simply asking for ideas on the case. I want people to get exactly what they want. It's people like you that intimidates people into not saying any ideas that could possibly turn into something great. I will make this case and when I do, you'll find that when you get off your period that you shouldn't discourage people. Only give good criticism. And the whole phone is covered with the rubber for the case besides the screen. Do some research before you open your mouth.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytsfeLK7Bc0
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One thing that you learn when you grow up and move out of mommy's basement, is that criticism doesn't mean "tell me what I want to hear". There's nothing 'new' or 'progressive' about your case kid.
With all of your 12 posts under your belt, in your ORIGINAL post you asked for money. I'll repeat that just in case your short attention span made you get distracted.
YOU ASKED FOR DONATIONS FOR A NON-EXISTENT PRODUCT.
From your response above, you sound to me like you're a scamming little thief, not a venture capitalist. (Look that up if the words are too big for you.)
If you want me to respond to you as an adult to a child, I can do that. If you want me to respond to you as though you're something else, let me know k?
Oh, and genius? Thanks for the link to the Otterbox review, Oh wait! I own it already! *gasp*

apallohadas said:
One thing that you learn when you grow up and move out of mommy's basement, is that criticism doesn't mean "tell me what I want to hear". There's nothing 'new' or 'progressive' about your case kid.
With all of your 12 posts under your belt, in your ORIGINAL post you asked for money. I'll repeat that just in case your short attention span made you get distracted.
YOU ASKED FOR DONATIONS FOR A NON-EXISTENT PRODUCT.
From your response above, you sound to me like you're a scamming little thief, not a venture capitalist. (Look that up if the words are too big for you.)
If you want me to respond to you as an adult to a child, I can do that. If you want me to respond to you as though you're something else, let me know k?
Oh, and genius? Thanks for the link to the Otterbox review, Oh wait! I own it already! *gasp*
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do you think your cool because have two hundred + posts about you giving people a hard time? if you don't want to help or give criticism thats worth mentioning, shut the hell up and stay off of this post. ill repeat myself since you didnt understand the first time: i never asked them for donations, i said help would be nice NOT ASKED! i never even had a donations link up. if i was trying to scam someone dont you think i would have had a different approach to it rather what i did? your sad that you think that just from the amount of posts that that makes you worth listening to. i live on my own with my fiancée thank you very much. look, i would never try to scam anyone and i never will. i just wanted to design a case that i think people would like. i mean i would and considering the fact that android ported to the hd2 is very very popular, i think this idea is thinking out of the box. Granted, i have no experience in marketing or anything like that, but thats why i made this post. to get help doing so, but if i made one person happy by designing a case that people will enjoy, im satisfied. look you obviously are very judgmental to this whole idea, but if you could help me by leading me in the right direction rather than what you are doing, i could prove to you that im an honest person just trying to get my thoughts heard.
-Bryan

My cool factor has little to do with you trying to scam the forum.
Want advice?
1) Stop lying. Your first post asked for donations and "I'll put up a donate link later". Now you're pretending that you never asked for donations.
2) If you really want advice, stop acting like a little snot-nosed baby who misses his binky. You haven't proposed anything new. Even your sketches are taken from some other phone and you reference someone else's product. I'm missing the new and progressive content for which you were asking for money.
3) Brace yourself for criticism. In the adult world, it happens. A lot. No one is going to hold your hand and whisper softly "well lil Johnny, here's a bundle of cash for a half-thought idea". My first post was fairly neutral and you went off like I killed your favorite bunny. That set the stage for how we're interacting now.
Since I do own my own business, I could certainly tell you how to get things rolling, but as a business owner I also know when someone's peddling garbage, and right now you have a handful of crap.
So, here's some freebie advice: Don't ask for money again. If or when you have an actual product, the market (people) will decide what it's worth, if anything at all.
Sit down with a pencil and lots of paper, and start sketching. Unless you propose something radical (like the otterbox's 2 piece hard/soft combination) you'll just be making 'another silicon gel case' like the other hundred out there. But where you can be different is in some custom design, print, etching, or logo on the back.
There's no real estate on the front of the HD2 that be used creatively, so that leaves the back. Look at some Speck iPod cases for textured patterns and designs. If you come up with something really different, PATENT THE DESIGN then send it to Speckle or Otterbox for review. If it doesn't suck, they might use it.
BUT (Big ole BUT), be prepared for a lot of "That sucks. Try again."

all this back-and-forth aside.... a diy writeup on something like this... even in basic form gets my upvote

I really like the idea a lot. It would be great to have my phone actually look like what I have running it. I mean, you can mod everything else why not the button lay out. I've polished my battery backplate as seen here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=888431
It would be great for you to come up with something on the lines to match that
but all in all it's a great idea and I'd be the first to 'donate'

Well idea is nice and little shaddy lol as I do think you are just out to get money no offense intended but what it comes down to is few things overhead costs, production, reliability, marketing in large scale operation you can bargain and cut the middle man but in your case you have to go though middle man thus driving the price higher. But hey if you want to do this then go ahead you don't need anyone permission just be eBay seller and post it on custom sites.

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Why dont you go to a chineese Manufacturer with the idea,they might be interested,However ide have to say i would be more interested in a better range of housing,They done it with the Blackstone,The chineese brought out different coulourd replacement housing for it,why cant we have a range of different colourd replacement housing for this beast like white,red rather than the standerd black,They would also do buttons,ide much rather have the standard hardware buttons rather than spending a lot of time trying to get ones like the evo,we could keep the hardware but just ask the chineese nicely to change the logos on the actual buttons to make them android style and rather than have a windows logo,just the words menu there instead,i think that would be a much more viable project,people would actually want to see that becouse it gives the device a new image without using cases or stuff like that

I don't like it
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Myself and two of my co-workers have HD2 running android. It would be a pretty sweet case if it came to fruition.
And to comment on what the others said, I was impressed that you took the time to draw that image, so at least you put "some" time into your idea thus far. I was less than enthused to watch your youtube video you posted, which seemed to be a "shameless plug" to bring in traffic to some poorly designed accessory site that presumably you're affiliated with.You just seem to me like one of those people that posts on forums to buy Viagra, but you form actual sentences with your solicitation, LOL.

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And to comment on what the others said, I was impressed that you took the time to draw that image, so at least you put "some" time into your idea thus far. I was less than enthused to watch your youtube video you posted, which seemed to be a "shameless plug" to bring in traffic to some poorly designed accessory site that presumably you're affiliated with.You just seem to me like one of those people that posts on forums to buy Viagra, but you form actual sentences with your solicitation, LOL.
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LOL way to funny

JWang158 said:
I solved the button problem by printing a few sticky cutouts and placing them on top. The light disperses like it was meant to be that way. Try it yourself!
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Can you show pictures of how it looks?
PS. I would go along with this idea.

So where are the sketches/designs?
Please dont tell me its just that thing which changes color? I could have mocked something up better using Deluxe Paint on my Amiga 1200 (seriously!!)
What I really think we need is completley new housing not just a case. Some Android and WP7 housing would be sweet!

TheATHEiST said:
So where are the sketches/designs?
Please dont tell me its just that thing which changes color? I could have mocked something up better using Deluxe Paint on my Amiga 1200 (seriously!!)
What I really think we need is completley new housing not just a case. Some Android and WP7 housing would be sweet!
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You know, I was actually thinking about that myself. Like replacing the existing framework on the hd2 and replace it with the android or WP7 housing. Now that would be sweet.
I wish someone would start getting creative for this kind of stuff. As long as new phones are being made. HD2 will almost always be on top of it.

Lol, I thought you weren't asking for donations?

Why is Craigslist so cheap?

I was looking on it and there's an Alienware laptop worth £900 and someone is selling for £350. Also there is a higher specced alienware worth more and he's selling it for £600. Why is it so cheap?? I emailed him too and he said its in new condition
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Plenty of reasons: could be hard up for cash, could be stolen, could be broken, or maybe they intend to rob you.
Bottom line is that Craigslist is a gamble. There are some common sense things you can do to give yourself the best possible chance of coming away from a deal successfully, but no matter how much effort you put in there will always be a chance you end up 'a*s out'

Second hand
When it's a second hand device, it's obvious that will be cheap.

The first response says it all. I have been lucky thus far but I am thorough when I inspect something I'm considering purchasing. Done maybe 3 or so dozen transactions with nary a bad experience. Meet publicly if possible, do as I do and carry a concealed firearm if possible and if you are not an expert on what it is you are buying, bring someone along who is.
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TJBunch1228 said:
The first response says it all. I have been lucky thus far but I am thorough when I inspect something I'm considering purchasing. Done maybe 3 or so dozen transactions with nary a bad experience. Meet publicly if possible, do as I do and carry a concealed firearm if possible and if you are not an expert on what it is you are buying, bring someone along who is.
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I heard way too many horror stories about people getting robbed, attacked and injured from these things.
I always make sure it's the morning if possible, and we meet somewhere public. You can tell sometimes if the person is just out to get money from you if they just accept anything.
and concealed firearm...I guess for us Canadians, we can't do that Remind me to stay on your good side

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and concealed firearm... Remind me to stay on your good side
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Eh, better judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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animatedbreak said:
I heard way too many horror stories about people getting robbed, attacked and injured from these things.
I always make sure it's the morning if possible, and we meet somewhere public. You can tell sometimes if the person is just out to get money from you if they just accept anything.
and concealed firearm...I guess for us Canadians, we can't do that Remind me to stay on your good side
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I carry one on me every time I buy or sell something from Craigslist.
Also I have found most of the really great deals are usually stolen or the people need money for drugs.

StormMcCloud said:
I carry one on me every time I buy or sell something from Craigslist.
Also I have found most of the really great deals are usually stolen or the people need money for drugs.
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With people needing money for drugs...who cares? You get a good deal. I got my orevious bike for $40 because the guy needed money for coke. lol

TJBunch1228 said:
Eh, better judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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I wasn't bashing on you - I guess it's just sad that we can never really trust people out there anymore that we need to carry some sort of protection in case they try and jump you. But better him than you - for sure.
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I carry one on me every time I buy or sell something from Craigslist.
Also I have found most of the really great deals are usually stolen or the people need money for drugs.
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Yep.
Weird way to benefit from someone else's addiction - but that's life I suppose.
Our gun laws are stupid strict. You need licenses, passes, you can't even carry one on your person - you have to have it locked up in a gun case, lock and key. The fines, and charges are even more epic.

m1l4droid said:
Is that even any useful?
Imagine:
Robber attacked you:
Robber (threatening you with a knife.)- hey gimme all your money!
You- before you kill me, wait till I get my gun out of my gun case, it will just take a minute.
- okay I guess.
- (gun is ready) hey you want my money? Want me to waste you right here?!!
- okay I'm sorry! (Runs away)
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Knowing Canadians that would actually happen. The victim would also apologize to the robber that he prevented the robbery. They would all apologize to themselves and go on with their lives.

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Then the victim would give all his money to the robber anyway.
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But the robber would feel bad, and give the money back.
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But the robber would feel bad, and give the money back.
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I much rather a situation like that - than getting shot up and robbed.
No?
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LOL @ picture! Whatcha' talkin' aboot?

Lol... That discussion was funny... Made my day
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Lol... That discussion was funny... Made my day
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If you thought that was funny, maybe you should become a member of the AA, eh?

I love how derailed this thread got..
Anyway...
I have bought 2 things on craigs list
A doggie door which goes in the sliding glass door which was only 40 bucks and in great condition new they cost over 200
Concert tickets which were actually mailed to me and legit, before i bought them i required him to show me is fingerprint card for his job and work, so i could trust him, i actually paid more for these as the pit tickets were sold out quick and therfore were 99 each instead of 70..
No bad luck yet...

davidrules7778 said:
I love how derailed this thread got..
Anyway...
I have bought 2 things on craigs list
A doggie door which goes in the sliding glass door which was only 40 bucks and in great condition new they cost over 200
Concert tickets which were actually mailed to me and legit, before i bought them i required him to show me is fingerprint card for his job and work, so i could trust him, i actually paid more for these as the pit tickets were sold out quick and therfore were 99 each instead of 70..
No bad luck yet...
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It's a lot of hit and miss with Craigslist but I was able to find a Trek 1.2 road bike, with 700$ worth of upgrades for...well 700$! It was in great condition and a bike brand new with all those components could of easily ran around 1600.

I bought
1. Canon 70-200 f/2.8 - $1475
2. Canon 580EX II flash - $370
3. Canon 1.4X Teleconverter - $200
4. Canon 5D mark III - $3450
5. Canon 40D - $700
6. Rode VideoMic - $100
7. Canon 50mm f/1.4 - $280
Also a bunch of other stuff which I forgot about.

jaszek said:
I bought
1. Canon 70-200 f/2.8 - $1475
2. Canon 580EX II flash - $370
3. Canon 1.4X Teleconverter - $200
4. Canon 5D mark III - $3450
5. Canon 40D - $700
6. Rode VideoMic - $100
7. Canon 50mm f/1.4 - $280
Also a bunch of other stuff which I forgot about.
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DAMN u have some deep pockets some of those cameras are more expensive then the high end laptop i just bought

davidrules7778 said:
DAMN u have some deep pockets some of those cameras are more expensive then the high end laptop i just bought
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Lol. I spent about $15k on my gear, and sold about $1.5-2k

jaszek said:
Lol. I spent about $15k on my gear, and sold about $1.5-2k
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Are u a profession photography that is really well known and make good money and camera's pay for themselves?

Samsung is Evil

I stood behind Samsung when Apple bringing unjust charges on against them. I thought Samsung was the defender of Android and the truth but I was WRONG.
Recently, I learned that Samsung promised to take a blogger to the IFA as an independent reporter. This means that the blogger could basically cover whatever he wanted. However, Samsung LIED to him. He was taken to the IFA but he was only allowed to demonstrate Samsung products to the press. He was not actually able to review any products and instead was treated as a Samsung employee.
They even told him that if he doesn't do what he is told then Samsung will leave him in this foreign country. EVIL!!!
Don't believe me? Take a look at the source:
Samsung is Evil

Scratch that. It's definitely true, however,
Behavior such as Samsung’s is not uncommon in the world of tech coverage. It’s perhaps considered more normal in some parts of the world, but even we here at TNW are regularly offered to have our travel and accommodations covered in hopes that we’ll write about a specific brand during our overall coverage of an event.
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And that's from the site the blogger is from.
Article here.

Nothing true about that noy a single facts pretty sure it was written by some isheep in hopes that it would make appke look less of a monster.
Use some common sense next time please though i suspect we both knew this was bs lol dumb isheep.
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That article is posted by you. Nobody is going to believe you until you provide a link to a reputable source.

063_XOBX said:
Since your source is an article written by somebody called Super2cool (sounds familiar?) I'm gonna just call this trolling.
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Its not trolling.. its posted all over the web.
Don't be in blind trust of a corporation... They are not humans.
Take a look here if you don't believe me:
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/...oggers-halfway-around-world-threatened-leave/

Yeah, 'slave labor'; I recall an article about all those slaves being flown across the world, put up in a hotel, all expenses paid and such. So the guy couldn't have covered IFA on his own in his free time? [sarcasm]What a horrible life [/sarcasm]

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Yeah, 'slave labor'; I recall an article about all those slaves being flown across the world, put up in a hotel, all expenses paid and such. So the guy couldn't have covered IFA on his own in his free time? [sarcasm]What a horrible life [/sarcasm]
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Ok I guess did exaggerate a bit!
However, it is still unacceptable for Samsung to lie to him and then threaten him to leave him in Berlin where the IFA was hosted.

Sounds more like the Blogger was trying to catch a free round trip to IFA on Samsung's dime without offering anything to them in return. I am waiting for Samsung to chime in (they will) and hear both sides. Then I'm waiting for the inevitable leak of emails or call records or whatever. Then once I know the actual story I will have an opinion.

063_XOBX said:
Sounds more like the Blogger was trying to catch a free round trip to IFA on Samsung's dime without offering anything to them in return. I am waiting for Samsung to chime in (they will) and hear both sides. Then I'm waiting for the inevitable leak of emails or call records or whatever. Then once I know the actual story I will have an opinion.
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It seemed too good to be true.. but still Samsung should have been more clear of what they expected from the blogger.

This is what happens when you agree with the terms and conditions and choose to ignore them after you've signed. Don't expect Samsung to hold their word when you don't.
(I'm assuming there were some papers that needed to be signed {that you didn't read}. Samsung is after all a multi billion dollar corporation)
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LordManhattan said:
This is what happens when you agree with the terms and conditions and choose to ignore them after you've signed. Don't expect Samsung to hold their word when you don't.
(I'm assuming there were some papers that needed to be signed {that you didn't read}. Samsung is after all a multi billion dollar corporation)
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Yeeah.. they were some papers to sign and this all probaly legal when looking at the papers.
However, it still unethical when you are knowingly trying to scam a person (sort of a scam.. I guess? ..don't know exactly what to call it)

Super2cool said:
Yeeah.. they were some papers to sign and this all probaly legal when looking at the papers.
However, it still unethical when you are knowingly trying to scam a person (sort of a scam.. I guess? ..don't know exactly what to call it)
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What is unethical about somebody paying for your trip and lodging and expecting something in return? Samsung has no obligation to pay for bloggers to travel to big events.

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What is unethical about somebody paying for your trip and lodging and expecting something in return? Samsung has no obligation to pay for bloggers to travel to big events.
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Well.. its cause its not what he was expecting. He did not get to review the IFA. He was just showing Samsung products to the press... under a threat.
What I am asking is that...
Is it wrong to expect Samsung to tell him straight up.."we want you to show off our products..not review the IFA"?
Instead..Samsung lied to him.

I don't see anything unreasonable about Samsung saying
You can either be a part of this and wear the uniform, or you’ll have to get your own tickets back home and handle your hotel stay from the moment this call ends
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It's not nice, but according to the article it's a pretty common practice for Handset makers to fly bloggers to events to cover their devices. Why would Samsung spend their money to help other gadgets get publicity?
I wouldn't waste a penny providing advertisements for my COMPETITORS.

063_XOBX said:
I don't see anything unreasonable about Samsung saying .
It's not nice, but according to the article it's a pretty common practice for Handset makers to fly bloggers to events to cover their devices. Why would Samsung spend their money to help other gadgets get publicity?
I wouldn't waste a penny providing advertisements for my COMPETITORS.
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He actually wasn't able to review what happened that day..
“None of this should leave Berlin. Or Reach India”
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He was taken to the IFA but he was only allowed to demonstrate Samsung products to the press. He was not actually able to review any products and instead was treated as a Samsung employee.
EVIL!!!
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Someone has to evil, dont they? not everyone can be as honest and goody-goody like apple, now.. You gotta be the bad boy sometimes, take one for the customers..

King ACE said:
Someone has to evil, dont they? not everyone can be as honest and goody-goody like apple, now.. You gotta be the bad boy sometimes, take one for the customers..
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lol @ Apple is very honest
How does Samsung lying help customers?
I am sorry but you guys need to realize what Samsung did was evil and they should be punished (I doubt this will happen)

Why would Samsung even fly bloggers for free? They're a company, a business. Of course it will benefit them, they will make it benefit them in some ways even if it is a little unethical. So in this way, all mobile phone manufacturers are evil? :/

I'm not sure what you thought it would be like. Vacation with free alcohol and prostitutes? No, you were brought in to do a job, and you failed big time. I would fire you on the spot.
Let's break it down:
- Samsung offers you a job as a promoter
- You accept it
- They cover the hotel and travel costs, which is a lot of money
- You refuse to do the job
- You want them to cover the flight home, which is a lot of money
I'm not sure you know what a promoter is or does. A promoter promotes a company's products. NOT reviewing and promoting the competitors' products. Also, Samsung took its time to hire you and on top of that spend money on you. Then you quit. You're the jerk here, not Samsung.
Not sure what part of Narnia you're from, but this is the real world. Welcome.

IF somebody would pay you to go to prison , what would be your price?

THIS IS A SOCIAL EXPERIMENT ! I WILL TELL YOU WHAT IT MEANS IN A FEW DAYS
IF somebody would pay you to go to prison for Auto theft 1 year , what would be your price?
Please make a realistic amount as possible, lets see what people think about it
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About $1mil if I was taking the blame, cause of charges stacking up while I'm away, plus pay for taking the blame.
If everyone new I was innocent, and I was doing a anonymous review of the prisons or something where people who knew me knew I was innocent and I was just in for the money, $500,000 sounds fair.
Interested what this means though.

On the charges of grand theft? Hell No.
It's not so much the prison sentence that bothers me as the fact that you'll forever have to deal with the criminal record. You'll never get a visa to enter half the countries in the world, you'll never get a decent job again, it'll affect your family, your friends, your kids, your grandkids...
12 of my friends are police officers and detectives. Their association with me would cost them their careers, their jobs and their reputation. They've never done anything to deserve that.
Not worth it.
Even if it earns you 500 million, that money is just as illegal and will just land you in prison again and you'll never see the money.
Besides, 98% of people here wouldn't survive a week in prison.

ShadowLea said:
On the charges of grand theft? Hell No.
It's not so much the prison sentence that bothers me as the fact that you'll forever have to deal with the criminal record. You'll never get a visa to enter half the countries in the world, you'll never get a decent job again, it'll affect your family, your friends, your kids, your grandkids...
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I'm not really interested in going overseas and work is in demand so I don't believe a criminal record would affect me too much. Besides, it's only 1 year in prison, so the crime wasn't too major.
If out was murder or life sentence or something like that, I would agree with you.
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Even if it earns you 500 million, that money is just as illegal and will just land you in prison again and you'll never see the money.
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HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION ALERT! Your thinking a little too deeply. It's a social experiment, not a life and death situation.

Jesse72 said:
I'm not really interested in going overseas and work is in demand so I don't believe a criminal record would affect me too much. Besides, it's only 1 year in prison, so the crime wasn't too major.
If out was murder or life sentence or something like that, I would agree with you.
HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION ALERT! Your thinking a little too deeply. It's a social experiment, not a life and death situation.
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What's a point of an experiment if the answers are all fake? The results are only suited for the rubbish-bin if it's a 'in a perfect world' settings.
OP wanted serious answers, not 'It's a videogame, and nothing you do matters'.
The whole idea of a social experiment is to get an idea of what people would do in real life. As such these are entirely unsuited for the internet, because everyone lies. Everyone thinks they're tough, smart and invincible. Nobody wants to admit they're a 40 year old sitting at home with their wife yelling at them to take out the thrash, or a 16 year old who isn't even allowed to drive yet. No, they're all Rambo.
I'm speaking of bachelor/phd level jobs, not streetcleaners. Even low-level work, nearly every job here requires a socalled 'declaration of good behavior'. (Even cleaning offices and schools). If you've got a criminal record, you can't supply that document and you're not legally able to get the job.
Western Europe's not as accepting of crime as other parts of the world. In the USA you can become a politician with a criminal record. Here you can't even become lorry driver.
As for not going overseas, I want to visit Australia, New Zealand and Canada at least once in my life. You're not welcome there with a GTA charge, nor any criminal charge for that matter.

15 million dollars distributed as monthly payments over 15 years and adjusted for inflation every year.

Freedom is piceless...
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ShadowLea said:
Western Europe's not as accepting of crime as other parts of the world. In the USA you can become a politician with a criminal record. Here you can't even become lorry driver.
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Ok, well I guess that's why our answers are different. In Australia a criminal record does not mean your lifes over, though you can't do certain jobs like a police officer or school teacher. Of course your unlikely to be chosen for the job against someone with the same qualifications, work ethic etc, but no criminal record, but the job I do is specialized, without enough people in the industry, and in no way relies on me to work with children, dangerous explosives etc, so I believe that a small criminal record would not affect me too much.
Besides we were all convicts anyway ?
Different situations, different people, different answers.
ShadowLea said:
As for not going overseas, I want to visit Australia, New Zealand and Canada at least once in my life. You're not welcome there with a GTA charge, nor any criminal charge for that matter.
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I recommend you visit Australia, it's a great place. When your in New Zealand, make lots of sheep jokes ?
I have relatives in New Zealand.
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Money is money.
Besides its only one year locked up.

If somebody paid me to go to prison? Sure I could for, depends on for how long.
But seriously, he would have to pay me up front, then I would hire a judge to get him into prison!
And that's how we roll

haha, I would sell my soul fro money, no way. I'm a good girl

That's easy... An Emma Watson kiss :highfive:

I wouldn't go if it's me going. But if a friend asked me to assume his identity for a million euros, I'd do it. I'd get out a year later with my record clean and a million euros richer! ?

$60,000 paid all at once upon my release, I'd do it.
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A margarita

I agree with @ShadowLea .
No one here would even survive one week prison.
Basically are almost all the developers here big thinkers, big talkers but they are having a small physical performance in real life.
I won't do it also.
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I stand by my answer, but that's because I already live outside the typical 'norms' of society. I have a job that only requires that I possess the guts and skills to do the job, and that I show up consistently and do it. I'm a roofer. When I get out, people will still need roofs. I don't pay taxes, I don't vote or ask permission to travel, domestically or abroad. I do what I do, and I don't let anyone, including the government, get in my way. I help others before myself. I expect nothing, tomorrow is not guaranteed, so every waking moment is a blessing. A year in prison would not be the worst thing that's ever happened to me by far. I could use a large sum of money to do some really interesting and worthwhile things.
Most XDA'ers probably would have a really tough time spending a year in prison. For me, it wouldn't be so tough. If it's a prison near me, I probably already know a few people there. It's 3 hots & a cot for a year, with a knot of cash at the end of it. Sign me up, I'll smuggle a smartphone in up my butt to stay entertained in my cell lol.
Jk bout the cell phone up my butt
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I would never do this because I could not enjoy the cash earned. Life is short you know.

Maynard100 said:
I would never do this because I could not enjoy the cash earned. Life is short you know.
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Well sayd there.. short and priceless. But with 5 millions .. i'll do some jail joking

A bit like @huggs, I believe I would be tough enough to stand prison. I'm not some weak developer who lives on the couch of an apartment 24/7. I live in the country, on a farm, I know how to defend myself.
I have nothing against generalisations, but don't use them to describe everyone.
Anyway, @JeremyMartin139, when will you reveal what it means?

Mmm... I sell my freedom for immortality xD