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How long until all app visible after reboot

I'm curious as to how long it should take my phone to see all the installed apps I have on my phone after a reboot. My phone sometimes take a good five minutes before they are all visible. Is this a sign of an SD card failing? Maybe it's time to spring for the $81 32gb card on amazon.
I'm running CM 6.1 RC.

If you have apps2sd setup maybe that's ok, that sounds about right. If your worried about your sd card, do a nand and save it to your computer and backup your sd card contents too
garfnodie said:
I'm curious as to how long it should take my phone to see all the installed apps I have on my phone after a reboot. My phone sometimes take a good five minutes before they are all visible. Is this a sign of an SD card failing? Maybe it's time to spring for the $81 32gb card on amazon.
I'm running CM 6.1 RC.
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Well I sure wouldn't go to a slower card (32GB) to solve this. I'd go to a class 6.

Quantumstate said:
Well I sure wouldn't go to a slower card (32GB) to solve this. I'd go to a class 6.
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The 16gb card I have now is a Class 2, so I wouldn't be loosing speed, aside from the fact that it could take longer to go through more storage to load my apps, but I'd still just stick with a 1gb app partition anyway. I'm trying to wait until the 32gb cards are down to around $50 anyway.

garfnodie said:
I'm curious as to how long it should take my phone to see all the installed apps I have on my phone after a reboot. My phone sometimes take a good five minutes before they are all visible. Is this a sign of an SD card failing? Maybe it's time to spring for the $81 32gb card on amazon.
I'm running CM 6.1 RC.
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Do you mean visible in the app drawer or available as a shortcut on your launcher desktop? I find that any apps using froyo-style apps-to-sd aren't available at the point the desktop starts up so the shortcuts fail to work even though the apps are there just fine in the app drawer. If I restarted AWDlauncher/Launcherpro after rebooting all my shortcuts started working again.

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Do you mean visible in the app drawer or available as a shortcut on your launcher desktop? I find that any apps using froyo-style apps-to-sd aren't available at the point the desktop starts up so the shortcuts fail to work even though the apps are there just fine in the app drawer. If I restarted AWDlauncher/Launcherpro after rebooting all my shortcuts started working again.
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Visible in the app drawer.
If I reboot the phone, it takes forever for the apps to become visible in the app drawer, so then I go to settings / applications / manage apps, and all the apps are listed. Some show their proper icon, but most show the generic SD card icon. This is the case in both the "All" tab and in the "On SD card" tab.
I only ask cause it didn't used to be this slow to load the apps. It seems like it's been since 2.2 that it's gotten slower to load them all. Maybe that's just a FROYO thing or something, idk. But I figured I should check with the XDA crew and find out their thoughts on the matter.

Well all I can say is that I'm running cm6.1 rc1 (and before that cm 6.0) and while I do get some default icons on reboot (only for apps that have been moved to SD), all I have to do it restart my launcher and everything is fine instantly.

Apps using internal storage

Has anyone had any issues with apps using the internal storage instead of the sd card? Any app I download it uses my internal storage to save. How do I change this so out users my external automatically?
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Yea I'm having the same phucking problem and I'm totally fed up with it. I'm about ready to return this POS because Motorola in their phucking infinite wisdom decided to partition the internal memory the way only an idiot would
Wtf? Are you freaking serious Moto? For real. I'd like to meet the idiot who's idea it was to come up with this.
Now we are all limited to a non removable 8gb SD card basically. I can piss 8gb. Where do I freaking put my music Motorola you dumb asses?
Every app I've installed and wanted to use can not have the default location for music changed. So I'm stuck with this tiny ass partition, and an empty 32gb card.
Why the hell even include an External SD card Motorola, why. Its useless
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Download App2SD from the market. You can move almost all the apps to the SD card.

Tornlogic said:
Yea I'm having the same phucking problem and I'm totally fed up with it. I'm about ready to return this POS because Motorola in their phucking infinite wisdom decided to partition the internal memory the way only an idiot would
Wtf? Are you freaking serious Moto? For real. I'd like to meet the idiot who's idea it was to come up with this.
Now we are all limited to a non removable 8gb SD card basically. I can piss 8gb. Where do I freaking put my music Motorola you dumb asses?
Every app I've installed and wanted to use can not have the default location for music changed. So I'm stuck with this tiny ass partition, and an empty 32gb card.
Why the hell even include an External SD card Motorola, why. Its useless
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I noticed this too when I installed the Amazon MP3 store although If you create a file on the External SD card and manually move your files there the music app will see it and play it from there. You can alse mount the phone on your computer and manually move them or use Astro File Manager to move them on the phone. It does suck though to have to jump through those hoops. Why you can't just change the default location is ludicrous.

Obviously, you guys got your Bionic very very recently.
DO NOT TRANSFER APPS TO SDCARD. IF YOU DO, YOU WILL LOSE THE APPS AND YOU NEED TO REINSTALL THEM!
MOTO configured Bionic differently (stupid!), and forces all apps to be installed in internal memory.
However, you can still save your media files on the external sdcard.
p.s. Don't use APP2SD on Bionic.

Why is their a better app? Is their a fix
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mngdew said:
Obviously, you guys got your Bionic very very recently.
DO NOT TRANSFER APPS TO SDCARD. IF YOU DO, YOU WILL LOSE THE APPS AND YOU NEED TO REINSTALL THEM!
MOTO configured Bionic differently (stupid!), and forces all apps to be installed in internal memory.
However, you can still save your media files on the external sdcard.
p.s. Don't use APP2SD on Bionic.
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Why the hell would moto do that. Hopefully a ROM can fix this issue.
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Invixtus said:
Why the hell would moto do that. Hopefully a ROM can fix this issue.
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mngdew said:
Obviously, you guys got your Bionic very very recently.
DO NOT TRANSFER APPS TO SDCARD. IF YOU DO, YOU WILL LOSE THE APPS AND YOU NEED TO REINSTALL THEM!
MOTO configured Bionic differently (stupid!), and forces all apps to be installed in internal memory.
However, you can still save your media files on the external sdcard.
p.s. Don't use APP2SD on Bionic.
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I've been using since day one and it works fine. I haven't lost any apps and haven't had to re-install any of them.

jpeckinp said:
I've been using since day one and it works fine. I haven't lost any apps and haven't had to re-install any of them.
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You can use the program to move apps to the media area without issue. As for moving them to the microSD, it won't let you do that, even with root. So, I'm not sure what the fuss is about?

jpeckinp said:
I've been using since day one and it works fine. I haven't lost any apps and haven't had to re-install any of them.
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When your phone boots up, it fails to properly recognize apps saved to the media area.
To prevent it, just keep all your apps saved to phone until an OTA arrives addressing it.
Search the forums for disappearing apps to get filled in.

OK I thought the media area was the SD card. But I still haven't had a problem with the apps disappearing.

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OK I thought the media area was the SD card. But I still haven't had a problem with the apps disappearing.
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Neither have I, and I've been using it for almost a week. FWIW, I haven't seen any of the reports of this problem mention Gingerbread or the Bionic. Not saying it can't happen, but I think app updates have fixed the problem.
UPDATED: Been losing apps left and right today. This isn't an APP2SD issue, but a Bionic issue stemming from the way those tards at MOT decided to partition the internal storage. Why do companies do stupid crap like this?

While I was playing around with my lapdock I discovered something intersting.
I was installing some apk files from my back and discovered that my lapdock had several partitions mounted which started with "com."
It didn't take me long to realize that they were the programs moved to my media area.
They apeared as Ian drives and couldn't be innounted.
I devices to test out a suspicion and restarted only to find that those apparatus disappeared.
After some more testing I realized that by moving the files on the phone between the storage and phone until it no longer loads that app as a drive, then that app won't disappear when the phone is powered off or rebooted.
I know that not everyone has a lapdock to get around the disapearing apps, but this is a temporary solution until a fix is actually released.
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Motorola! Fix your crap and quit slipping!

i'm so confused about this, i had noticed when i loaded my sd card nothing was getting recognized like widget locker themes stuff like that. then i notice that everything is getting downloaded to the internal memory. i went into settings> storage and changed download location to sd card, but everything is still downloading to internal memory. i just don't understand why it isn't looking at my sd card automatically like all of my other phones did, droid x, t-bolt, og. it's driving me effing crazy though. can someone maybe explain in dummy terms what is going on?

nerdkill said:
i'm so confused about this, i had noticed when i loaded my sd card nothing was getting recognized like widget locker themes stuff like that. then i notice that everything is getting downloaded to the internal memory. i went into settings> storage and changed download location to sd card, but everything is still downloading to internal memory. i just don't understand why it isn't looking at my sd card automatically like all of my other phones did, droid x, t-bolt, og. it's driving me effing crazy though. can someone maybe explain in dummy terms what is going on?
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Look at it like this...
Your phone has 16GB of internal memory.
4GB you never see. The system uses that 4GB
8GB is read as internal storage. Motorola designed that for media. That means your videos, pictures and documents.
4GB is for apps. This is where it gets complicated. These 4GB is dedicated to your apps. It was designed to be unintrusive with your main partition.
You shouldn't have to move to SD. Not needed.
Some wishets will only be recognized when the app is on your phone partition.
Does this answered your question?
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Just go into "settings, applications, manage applications" and click the "media area" tab. Any apps that have a "check mark" in them are stored to what is called the "media area." If it reads "com.*" then it has already been uninstalled. Just go reinstall it. Then go in there and all the apps with the check mark... click on the app, and then click the "move to phone" button. Wait a few seconds while it transfers it.
Sadly this is annoying and also sometimes makes the market think that the apps are not installed.
Freaking Motorola. They make such good hardware, it's a pity they put such crap inside.

List of features removed in JB

It may be a good idea to list them in one place. For sure it would help me decide if I want to upgrade or not. If there is a list already let me know and I will delete the thread.
Updated list:
- Overscan option in Settings -> Display
- Selection of audio output device when HDMI is connected
- Mass Storage option in USB computer connection
- Live Icons
- Sleep Mode option in Power Menu
- Timer
- Move to SD card in Settings -> Storage -> Manage Internal Storage
- Google Play Music Widget on the lock screen
- Music option for Alarm Sound

I'm not sure how to put it more concisely, but the context menus that come up when you swipe over certain icons (Calendar, Browser, etc.) are disabled.

No sleep mode on power menu. Anyone notice better camera quality?

huatz84 said:
Anyone notice better camera quality?
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is it better ?
btw i suggest to write to them about these things, maybe we˙ll get a patch...
i did it myself!

Mass storage setting is definitely gone. That sucks. And I don't notice any improvement in the camera.
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Missing feature in storage to move pictures etc to external SD for you.
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google play music had a widget on the lock screen, doesnt seem to be there anymore
the lack of usb drive option sucks, how am i going to sync music

I don't know how to say it gone is the red tint gone? I know its not just my phone cause some of the reviews actually talk about the colors being off on this phone.

Cant set a song to your alarm clock tone. That is crappy...

aarons6 said:
google play music had a widget on the lock screen, doesnt seem to be there anymore
the lack of usb drive option sucks, how am i going to sync music
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You can still use MTP to put music on your phone's memory.
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No more timer, it's just alarms now. I used the timer daily...
Camera's no better, and if I'm not mistaken, aren't we supposed to have photosphere? Or is that 4.2 functionality?
Jelly Beaned up on the mAtrix HD

IP IHI II IL said:
No more timer, it's just alarms now. I used the timer daily...
Camera's no better, and if I'm not mistaken, aren't we supposed to have photosphere? Or is that 4.2 functionality?
Jelly Beaned up on the mAtrix HD
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Photo sphere is 4.2...
Also theres the 4.2 clock that has the timer stopwatch feature or apps like this one: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cilctel.timecontrol
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IP IHI II IL said:
No more timer, it's just alarms now. I used the timer daily...
Camera's no better, and if I'm not mistaken, aren't we supposed to have photosphere? Or is that 4.2 functionality?
Jelly Beaned up on the mAtrix HD
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Here's the clock app from CM10. It has the timers and countdown. Back up and delete your deskclock.apk and odex file and replace with this.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/26ielj
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What is the reason for removing mass storage? I can't see all the files in my internal SD anymore in only media mode :/ I know there are PC and Play Store file managers but mass storage was pretty convenient.

Neighbor808 said:
What is the reason for removing mass storage? I can't see all the files in my internal SD anymore in only media mode :/ I know there are PC and Play Store file managers but mass storage was pretty convenient.
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Google removed it from the OS. I think that was done in ICS, but Motorola put it back. Motorola is evaluating the items removed for possible inclusion in a future update.
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Camera is better in low light, much much better low light photos.
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Coming a Lumia 920, nothing else on the market comes close to actually giving you good low light photos without a lot of noise. I know the premium suite upgrade on the Galaxy S 3 allegedly gives you better low light shots but that's a bit of a stretch.

aarons6 said:
google play music had a widget on the lock screen, doesnt seem to be there anymore
the lack of usb drive option sucks, how am i going to sync music
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My Atrix HD (running JB) has the Google Play Music widget on the lockscreen. (See screenshot below)
Also, I use MTP and it shows up on my computer just like Mass Storage did. Giving me options to acces Internal Storage and the SD Card and allows me to move files.
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RCon227 said:
I use MTP and it shows up on my computer just like Mass Storage did. Giving me options to acces Internal Storage and the SD Card and allows me to move files.
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how do you safely remove it? 'cause I don't see any icon, I just have to unplug the usb cable, I think in someway in long term is gonna damage the phone or am Im being paranoic or something?

MaEdCo said:
how do you safely remove it? 'cause I don't see any icon, I just have to unplug the usb cable, I think in someway in long term is gonna damage the phone or am Im being paranoic or something?
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Just simple paranoia. lol I thought the same thing at first. But yes, unplugging the usb cable safely removes it from your computer. It will not do any long term damage.
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[Q] Anyone know how to back out of screens without a back arrow?

I cant seem to find a way to back out of screens that don't have back arrow. Most apps/screens have a back arrow that I can ack out of of to return to where I was. However, not all screens have this and I don't know how to back out of them. On my Nook Tablet, I could swipe from right to left on the lower screen to back out of these windows but this gesture doesn't appear to work on my new Nook HD+.
One example is in File Explorer ES. When I load File Explorer, go to App Manager and then pull up a particular app, it's details screen comes up. From there, I have no idea how to back out of that screen. I can press the Home button and get back to Home and go to other apps but, if I try to go back to File Explorer, it's still stuck on that same screen, and I'm assuming it will be until I find some way to back out of it.
I've searched online and haven't had any luck finding any help with this one.
Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks.
- Byron

bfollowell said:
I cant seem to find a way to back out of screens that don't have back arrow. Most apps/screens have a back arrow that I can ack out of of to return to where I was. However, not all screens have this and I don't know how to back out of them. On my Nook Tablet, I could swipe from right to left on the lower screen to back out of these windows but this gesture doesn't appear to work on my new Nook HD+.
One example is in File Explorer ES. When I load File Explorer, go to App Manager and then pull up a particular app, it's details screen comes up. From there, I have no idea how to back out of that screen. I can press the Home button and get back to Home and go to other apps but, if I try to go back to File Explorer, it's still stuck on that same screen, and I'm assuming it will be until I find some way to back out of it.
I've searched online and haven't had any luck finding any help with this one.
Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks.
- Byron
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Look here.

leapinlar said:
Look here.
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Once again, thank you very much leapinlar. I really appreciate your assistance. I will definitely check out this app. Hopefully this won't be one of the apps that sends the rooted Nook HD+ into the 8 reboot tailspin of death.
- Byron

bfollowell said:
Once again, thank you very much leapinlar. I really appreciate your assistance. I will definitely check out this app. Hopefully this won't be one of the apps that sends the rooted Nook HD+ into the 8 reboot tailspin of death.
- Byron
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It doesn't. But if you ever have that problem and you have backed up your device with my cwm (you have, haven't you?), then you can temporarily turn off the device while it is bootlooping and insert the CWM card and let it boot to that. Then you can restore, fixing the problem. I did not say in my thread, but it is a good idea to periodically back up the device before you make major changes so you don't have redo a lot of stuff after you restore.
I think I will add this advice to my thread.
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fullscreen is the app
go in the settings and you will see the option
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rsswga said:
fullscreen is the app
go in the settings and you will see the option
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That would be a cool app if it worked properly. It hides the bar nicely, but does not let you bring it back without a reboot. At least on my rooted stock HD.
Sent from my Nook HD+ Running CM10 on SD

leapinlar said:
That would be a cool app if it worked properly. It hides the bar nicely, but does not let you bring it back without a reboot. At least on my rooted stock HD.
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The same problem for me.

It seems trivial but not being able to exit nook apps such as "reader" is keeping me from using them. I currently use coolreader for that very reason. I acually think the default font and formatting is superior in the nook reader.

When ever I move something to my external sd card it seems to go somewhere and I can'

I tried freeing up space on internal memory by moving pictures,videos and apps to external card when I fix I lost pictures and apps show up in the app drawer but they are greyed out and say not installed. Anyone no why
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gscarborough said:
I tried freeing up space on internal memory by moving pictures,videos and apps to external card when I fix I lost pictures and apps show up in the app drawer but they are greyed out and say not installed. Anyone no why
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What are you using to move them? Is this just on stock ROM? Are you rooted? More details, please.

slimbrady said:
What are you using to move them? Is this just on stock ROM? Are you rooted? More details, please.
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rooted S-off and on stock rom. ive used es file explorer and htc free space to move the items.

gscarborough said:
rooted S-off and on stock rom. ive used es file explorer and htc free space to move the items.
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Ok so you're not using an app designed specifically for moving other apps/etc to your SD then. With that being the case you'll need to be very careful in where you're pulling the data from if you expect it to continue functioning as it used to.
You mentioned initially that your moved pictures and videos still show up in the app drawer but are greyed out and say not installed....this is a bit confusing as pictures and videos are usually just single file images or single file video clips and would not ever actually show up in the app drawer and are instead accessed via an app from the app drawer like Gallery or Google Photos, etc. Generally speaking, the apps themselves are usually much smaller than the total amount of space taken up by your videos or (if you have a lot) pictures....you don't even need that many pictures to start adding up to a respectable size if they are all High Quality images.
So, I would recommend you attempt to undo the moves you've made thus far (though if you can't get the apps to show back up as normal then just reinstall them then clean your SD card and internal memory with a junk cleaner) and focus solely on ".img, .png, .mov, .mp3, .gif, .jpeg, .mp4" or any other similarly formatted files if you're doing the moves freely with a root explorer like ES.
If you really want to move your apps over, or at least some of them, try using an app specifically designed for that purpose as this will hopefully ensure they continue to function after the move.....If you're on the stock ROM you should be able to move the apps just by going to Settings > Storage I think or Settings > Apps. One of those two (pretty sure it's storage but I'm on AOSP rom atm so can't check sry) and then click on one of your apps you should get options to Force Quit, Clear Cache, Clear Data then below those you should see a Move to SD option.
Hope this helps! Let me know if I wasn't clear enough or you have further questions^^

No you were very clear I wasn't clear when I said the pictures and videos in the app drawer I should have said from the gallery they where showing up as an empty space Now I believe my card was just going corrupt because it's corrupted now
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i have this issue as well. When i transfer files like pictures and music from my internal to my external it says its transferred which is cool but when i reboot the device the files are gone. I have tried the sd card fix apps in the play store and it says its fixed but obviously not. It wont let me format either on the computer or on the phone or it says it does but it actually doesnt. So i have lost all hope on what to do i dont want to buy another card if this is going to happen to it.