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Will you give up the NC for Amazon Fire

I just pre-ordered the Amazon Fire, but the truth is that it appears to offer few advantages over the rooted NC.
I am curious how other NC users feel.

No Mic and no mention of BT or Battery true size (mAH).
If I hadn't already owned a NC then I would wait for this before making the choice. But since I have a NC already, this doesn't excite me too much.

I am on the fence right now...will wait and see what the reviews say before I buy...the only advantages I see is the Amazon services connection and the dual core CPU...besides that the nook has it all! the IPS screen, its thinner and has the micro SD port that I love to load up with my own movies....I really wanted a 7" IPS with 8+ battery life, bluetooth and a front facing cam for those rate Skipe occasions

same here would get a kindle fire if there is mic...
otherwise, I'm happy with NC+CM7, don't use tablet for movies so the weak processor on NC doesn't bother me much.

I was really hoping for a fixed price 3G model. For that I would have paid an extra $100. Without it, the Amazon Fire is just a NC wannabe. Who knows how long it will take to get it rooted to access the entire Android Marketplace.

No mic, no camera, no gps, no bluetooh.
And with $199, it will be a bust.

If any only if Kindle Fire reaches the state at where the NC is right now with development, then I'd move.
Having said that, another criteria for me is that LG must be the manufacturer of the IPS display, otherwise, I won't bother. =)

advocate2 said:
I just pre-ordered the Amazon Fire, but the truth is that it appears to offer few advantages over the rooted NC.
I am curious how other NC users feel.
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No way, but then I wouldn't buy a Nook Color at this point either. It was a great deal 10 months ago, but such is progress. NC2 is going to be announced next month and the Lenovo A1 has all the stuff they're both missing for the same price. This is a definite pass as the only selling point is the dual core processor but I'd rather have the GPS, BT, microSD and cameras on the A1 for $199.

votinh said:
No mic, no camera, no gps, no bluetooh.
And with $199, it will be a bust.
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Also no mention of removable SD anywhere I could find, so you are stuck with only 8GB for anything not on Amazons cloud.
Also still no epub under supported formats.

512MB RAM....
per engadget
What it won't have, though, is the number of physical inputs. It'll make do with just a power button and nothing more -- if you want to turn down the volume you'll need to dive into the status bar. Whether or not that proves to be an annoyance in the long-run remains to be seen, but we're thinking it will be.
Software performance seems quite smart at this point, switching tasks and apps in rapid fire during the demo we were given. We were only shown a brief glimpse of the new Silk browser, but we must say the thing appears to deliver on its promises. The dual-core 1GHz, TI OMAP processor certainly seems adequate, too, even if it is only paired with 512MB of memory. It also has 8GB of storage on tap -- a bit light these days, but with all your content synced online, in theory there's no need for more. In theory.

No way, its just a locked down nook color. With no SD slot and no buttons.
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Its really too new to tell. I like to tinker, but without buttons and SD slot or even some sort of USB port, this Amazon Fire will be a bit more difficult to root.

arda99 said:
same here would get a kindle fire if there is mic...
otherwise, I'm happy with NC+CM7, don't use tablet for movies so the weak processor on NC doesn't bother me much.
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I use my NC for movies all the time. Netflix as well. Processor is not a problem for me. I'd wait and see what B&N rolls out next month before I made a decision on a new purchase. Also, you can get a NC refurb for $160. Bet their pricing goes down even more soon.
I think the Lenovo A1 is the best buy in a 7" tablet right now.

Nope. Dual core processor sounds nice but I see no other benefits. No SD slot and no CM7. What would be the point?

bobzdar said:
No way, but then I wouldn't buy a Nook Color at this point either. It was a great deal 10 months ago, but such is progress. NC2 is going to be announced next month and the Lenovo A1 has all the stuff they're both missing for the same price. This is a definite pass as the only selling point is the dual core processor but I'd rather have the GPS, BT, microSD and cameras on the A1 for $199.
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The 4.3" of the A1 makes that device a non-compete in the tablet market.

colorado_al said:
I use my NC for movies all the time. Netflix as well. Processor is not a problem for me. I'd wait and see what B&N rolls out next month before I made a decision on a new purchase. Also, you can get a NC refurb for $160. Bet their pricing goes down even more soon.
I think the Lenovo A1 is the best buy in a 7" tablet right now.
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A1 uses regular TN instead of IPS...but yes, its cheap, there is a 2GB version exclusive for Chinese market for about 1000RMB(~160 USD)

majorpay said:
The 4.3" of the A1 makes that device a non-compete in the tablet market.
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I'm not sure what you're referring to, the screen is 7" IPS on all 3 devices...

bobzdar said:
I'm not sure what you're referring to, the screen is 7" IPS on all 3 devices...
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OK, I wasn't sure what you were referring to. The only A1 I was aware of was the Archos... I see what I did there... :/

arda99 said:
A1 uses regular TN instead of IPS...but yes, its cheap, there is a 2GB version exclusive for Chinese market for about 1000RMB(~160 USD)
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From geek.com:
"The 7-inch A1 will feature a 1024×600 IPS touchscreen display, a single-core 1GHz ARM Cortex A8 processor, 3MP rear and VGA front cameras, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth connectivity, GPS and accelerometer, microSD expansion, and Android 2.3. Lenovo estimates the A1′s battery to be good for about 7 hours of Wi-Fi web surfing."
As I said, only thing the Fire has going for it is dual core, but I'd rather have all of the added features of the A1.

bobzdar said:
From geek.com:
"The 7-inch A1 will feature a 1024×600 IPS touchscreen display, a single-core 1GHz ARM Cortex A8 processor, 3MP rear and VGA front cameras, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth connectivity, GPS and accelerometer, microSD expansion, and Android 2.3. Lenovo estimates the A1′s battery to be good for about 7 hours of Wi-Fi web surfing."
As I said, only thing the Fire has going for it is dual core, but I'd rather have all of the added features of the A1.
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It's wrong. A1 is available in China already and its definitely TN.
http://translate.google.com/transla...pconline.com.cn/reviews/1109/2529283_all.html

acer110 vs nexus 7 vs lenovo IDEATAB S2110 with s4 kariat chipset

New acer 110 tegra 3 chip, 1024 x 600 screen resolution and sd card slot
I wondering should i get a replacement for nexus 7 or get a refund? my tab line of dead pixels.
or maybe get IDEATAB S2110

Get another nexus 7....those other tab specs inferior. nexus 7 is worth getting a replacement

only wondered really about the new acer because it has sd card slot. Heavier and has lower screen resolution. idk

After going through 5 faulty Nexus 7's im done. Im gonna wait to check out the A110. Worth it rather than getting another Nexus that halfway works or doesnt work at all.

I much prefer the higher resolution on the Nexus 7. If the A110 has the same screen as the A100, there is no comparison to the Nexus 7 on quality. Hopefully they put in a real tablet battery and not a cell phone battery like they did on the A100. Assuming they fix those things and is cheaper than the Nexus 7, it would be a decent buy.
The ideatab is interesting, though not in the same class as the A110/N7 since it is a dual core and 10" screen. Looks pretty nice assuming they can keep the price down.

Honestly, I think the fact that the Nexus 7 is a Nexus device (natch) puts it in a class of its own. Having grown weary of waiting for updates on my Android devices, I'm inclined to only buy Nexus devices from now on.

It appears the Acer A110 will ship with Android 4.0 ICS. Haven't seen any wording on when or if it would be upgraded via Acer to JB.

jelly bean not deal breaker for me. It has sd card slot
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challa3223 said:
jelly bean not deal breaker for me. It has sd card slot
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I think its at least worth a look.

The specs on A110 looks good (has micro SD and HDMI slot) but it will all come down to the price. If the price is more expensive than N7 then Acer will have a hard time selling them.
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those specs look OK. but it has lower outdated screen resolution. i dont even think its IPS. or they wouldve said so. then still on ICS. acer is not known to update thier firmware to the lastest in a fast manner. then doesnt nexus 7 have bluetooth 4.0? this has 3.0 i like that it has hdmi port and sd card slot. but nexus 7 still better overall.
Like Wyand32 said, these Nexus devices are in a class of their own.

ajamils said:
The specs on A110 looks good (has micro SD and HDMI slot) but it will all come down to the price. If the price is more expensive than N7 then Acer will have a hard time selling them.
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That battery size would worry me.
It's only slightly bigger than the 3300mAh of the Razr Maxx.
Standby time will be fine probably but with constant use, I can't see that battery holding up too well.

Bad resolution and no development is a deal breaker.
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battery size is improved, the A100 had a really low battery (dual 1530mAh) which gave only about 5hrs of battery life.
The screen was ok, as long as you looked at it directly. If you went off angle, you could see how cheap it was. It wasn't as bright as the N7, and the off-angle viewing is much better on the N7.
It took a long time to get ICS officially (April, I think?) for the A100, Acer is not exactly quick with rolling updates out. The locked bootloader was a bit of an issue with HC though they figured out how to unlock with ICS. Pretty sure the encrypted bootloader is still encrypted though, they just unlocked the ICS bootloader and not the whole device bootloader.
Wonder if the A110 charges over USB. A100 didn't, meaning I always had to carry the AC adapter with me just in case. At least with charging over USB, I can charge it at work.

If I could get my hands on a good N7 with no problems I wouldnt worry too much about it. But it doesnt seem that I can.

I will exchange one time. The replacement will be final if their's no issues. I really want to grab the Huawei media pad ten might wait save up my loot for that.
specs Processor: Hisilicon K3 V2 ,1.5GHZ Quad-Core
RAM: 1GB DDR3
Nand Flash: 16/32GB
Extend Card: Supports Micro SD/TF card up to 32GB
Screen Type: Capacitive
Screen Size: 10.1 inch, 16:9
Display Resolution: 1920 x 1200 pixels, IPS screen
Multi-Touch: Yes, 10-points touch
Camera: 8.0MP rear camera + 1.3MP front camera with Flash
GPS: Yes
Gravity Sensor: Yes
Flash: Support Flash 11
Ebook: TXT, PDF, HTML, RTF, FB2
Skype: Yes
Browser: Yes, built in, Chrome for Android
WiFi: 802.11 b/g/n

I just received the Lenovo S2110 w/ keyboard dock. The screen pixel density is lower than my N7 but the colors and saturation are much much better on the S2110. I''m not sure why but every N7 I've seen (including my own) has had a really washed out display. Also the micro HDMI port on the S2110 is so nice after living with no HDMI or MHL on the N7.
I have a feeling that I'll get more mileage out of the S2110 especially because I felt that there was too much overlap between my N7 and Samsung GSIII.

New Kindle Fire 40% faster, twice the memory - $159 vs the $200 Nexus 7

http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Fire-L...F8&qid=1346963271&sr=1-1&keywords=kindle+fire
Man I was sure I was getting a Nexus 7 here soon. This just muddied the water.
Which would you get? The new Kindle is $40 cheaper. Specs wise, which is the better machine?

Nexus is still better. Quad core. Amazon was playing ketchup big time. Still has a a dual core. Plus still no real android. Bad app selection. Idk it rly comes down tonwhat u value in a tablet.
Galaxy s3
Nexus 7
Hp touchpad

There was already a post on this a couple slots down just fyi. Also, the dual core the new Kindle Fire has is better than our Tegra 3 chip.
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I haven't seen any specs that said if there was bluetooth or gps available. These were the two things missing from my old KF, which I did like, but lacked those two things that I need in a tablet.

miketoasty said:
There was already a post on this a couple slots down just fyi. Also, the dual core the new Kindle Fire has is better than our Tegra 3 chip.
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If you are talking about this thread, it was about the Kindle HD. (which is a different device)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1873539

FYI, all the new Kindles are "ad supported". They forgot to mention that, I guess... :/
Just saw a post by JR Raphael on facebook.

The OMAP 4460 is the same processor in the Galaxy Nexus. The nexus 7's CPU and GPU is clocked higher and has more cores the new Kindle Fire HD.
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b4silver said:
Nexus is still better. Quad core. Amazon was playing ketchup big time. Still has a a dual core. Plus still no real android. Bad app selection. Idk it rly comes down tonwhat u value in a tablet.
Galaxy s3
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Hp touchpad
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more cores doesn't always mean it's better or faster, so I wouldn't use that as a measure to judge which one is better.
in fact, being pure android is a bigger selling point than core count IMO.

These Nexus 7 vs. [insert other device] threads are getting out of control.
Just read the specs. It's not even comparing apples to apples as the Kindle is heavily skinned.
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Nexus 7 vs Nook HD vs Kindle Fire HD

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As pointed out, comparison charts below have some mistakes:
Good:
. MicroSD expansion.
. Higher density displays.
. Nk9 cheaper than KF HD (16GB: $269 vs 299; 32GB: $299 vs 369)
. No ads (unlike KF HD).
. AC charger included (unlike KF HD).
. Nk7 uses 1.3GHz OMAP 4470 (KF 7HD uses 4460).
Bad:
. No USB; proprietary charging/data port (HDMI adapter available).
. No camera, no NFC, probably no GPS.
. No dual-band wifi, MIMO antenna (unlike KF HD).
. HDMI adapter is $39.
. Single speaker (Nk9); one-sided speakers (Nk7 in landscape).
. Most likely locked.
. Smaller B&N ecosystem, if that matters to XDA peeps.
Misc:
. Bluetooth is apparently available.
. Nk7 has 4050mAh batt; Nk9 has 6000mAh batt.
. Nk7 16GB pricing is same as KF 7HD, if accounting for KF's $10 charger + $15 ad opt-out
. Nk7's two-tone bezel makes it look like a kiddie tablet.
. I like Nk9's 1.5 aspect, which is more suitable for reading than the typical 1.6.
IMO, Nexus7 still wins the 7" category for overall functionality.
For mainstream users, KFHD 8.9 probably wins the 9" category with Amazon's larger ecosystem. For XDA users, it'll depend on which gets unlocked/ROM'ed first. Nook's higher-res display and the SD expansion are positives.
The 9" Nook HD+ clearly has the best bang/buck of the line-up, and indeed for the entire "value" bracket. At $269 for the 16GB, it's only $40 more than the Nook HD, and $20 more than the Nexus 7 16GB. The 3:2 aspect makes it a great full-size reader for PDFs and pretty much anything else. Hopefully the Nook Tab folks can crack this beauty to run CM.

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1280 x 800, not 1800. Also, the Nook's had MicroSD's, and all but the Nexus have HDMI out (built-in or via an adapter). The Nook's also have MicroSD slots.

The 8.9 kindle hd does not start at $499, that is for the Lte one.
The Wi-Fi only starts at $299 for 32, $369 for 64. That is the fair comparison with the nook.
I wouldn't get a nook for the proprietary plug alone. Why not stick to the micro usb?

the Kindle is locked with boot verification. very hard to crack. The Nook well. It's a nook what more to say there. the Nexus 7 is open unlock able with many roms available. no comparison
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There are different contexts of "best device." There's the personal "best," ie what you or I like. Since all the listed devices have compromises, then it depends on the person's wants, and the ecosystem s/he is vested in. Hardware-wise, the Nooks would seem to be the best readers, KFs best at video playback, and Nexus7 best at travelling/location-based uses.
Then there's the XDA perspective of "best," ie functionality as a general-purpose device. In this context, the Nexus7 is obviously the best, at least until Nook or KF gets unlocked. Apparently, Hashcode of KF fame is leading the charge for KFHD unlock, and the crew that unlocked Nook Tablet will probably apply their experience to Nook HD. We'll see how it goes.
One complication is that all these devices have amazing short shelf lives. After only two months from its July release, Nexus7's appeal has gone from an amazing deal to only one of several good choices (we're still waiting on iPad Mini). If it takes more than a couple of months to unlock a device, then its "XDA" appeal will be minimal, once time has passed it by. To wit: Nook Tablet, which was unlocked too late to get much XDA love.
The last definition of "best" is from mainstream users, which is the only one vendors care about. Given the prevailing narrative that "ecosystem matters," then Amazon KFs should have the catbird seat, out of the three. The iPad line will still be top dog for 2012, of course.
Going by this narrative, then B&N has no shot regardless of the Nooks' quality/price, and its best chance is to partner up to bulk up its ecosystem. The partner is likely with MS, given its $300 mil check to B&N. The investment took place in late April, so was too late to affect this hardware cycle, but I fully expect WinRT-based Nooks for the next cycle. These current Nook devices should be the last on Android.
Back to the Nexus/KF/Nook compare, that both Nook and KF have 9" models starkly highlights the glaring need for a 9" or 10" full-Android tablet of comparable quality and price. At this point, there's none. I don't expect to see one for the remainder of this year.

>I wouldn't get a nook for the proprietary plug alone. Why not stick to the micro usb?
Because it's a bad idea.
Having a single micro-USB port is a carryover from smartphones, since it allows charging from PCs. Tablets have a higher current requirement, so you will need to carry a charger regardless.
It's again a bad idea to have only one port for both data and charging. What happens if you want to do both?
Lastly, it's a bad idea because the micro-USB connector is flimsy, and isn't robust enough to last the length of the device's life. Phones' size constraint dictates its use, but tablets are larger devices, and will need better connectivity going forward.
The Nook HD's use of proprietary port isn't good, but it isn't necessarily bad. If the charging cable is separate from the charger, then conceivably one can use a "regular" 10W USB charger for it. The downside is that it's proprietary, but the upside is that it would be more robust than the flimsy micro-USB connector.

e.mote said:
>I wouldn't get a nook for the proprietary plug alone. Why not stick to the micro usb?
Because it's a bad idea.
Having a single micro-USB port is a carryover from smartphones, since it allows charging from PCs. Tablets have a higher current requirement, so you will need to carry a charger regardless.
It's again a bad idea to have only one port for both data and charging. What happens if you want to do both?
Lastly, it's a bad idea because the micro-USB connector is flimsy, and isn't robust enough to last the length of the device's life. Phones' size constraint dictates its use, but tablets are larger devices, and will need better connectivity going forward.
The Nook HD's use of proprietary port isn't good, but it isn't necessarily bad. If the charging cable is separate from the charger, then conceivably one can use a "regular" 10W USB charger for it. The downside is that it's proprietary, but the upside is that it would be more robust than the flimsy micro-USB connector.
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It's not a bad idea.
USB can charge a tablet (it will take longer but it WILL charge). Or at least it will slow the discharge if you are doing some really battery expansive operations while transferring files, which is highly unlikely and this will take short enough to allow you to disconnect once the files are transfered and connect to a proper charger. The only scenario that I can think of is while developing apps where you need the device connected to the PC for a long time.
Proprietary connector MAY be more robust than micro USB. Apple's ridiculous 40 pin connector for example is a joke compared to micro USB. For 4 years I had changed my wife's cable three times and never had to change any of my micro USB cable. I also bought a new charger for my Acer A500 because once yours breaks you can't just use any of the standard USB chargers.
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For me GPS is essential, as is fast updates. :L
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I made the mistake of getting a Nook tablet, was hoping for a good dev community like the Nook colour!
I'm stuck with a tablet on an alpha version of 4.0 that will probably never make beta...and since I'm in the UK, no bugger will buy it since they never heard of it. A big mistake I won't be making again.
Hoping to get a Nexus when the wife forgets I had a tablet previously!
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dannysmith43 said:
I made the mistake of getting a Nook tablet, was hoping for a good dev community like the Nook colour!
I'm stuck with a tablet on an alpha version of 4.0 that will probably never make beta...and since I'm in the UK, no bugger will buy it since they never heard of it. A big mistake I won't be making again.
Hoping to get a Nexus when the wife forgets I had a tablet previously!
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Haha, sorry to hear that mate. Its a truly sad story. I'm sure your wife will understand. Also, be prepared. Once you get a Nexus device you'll refuse to use anything but a nexus device. That's how I ended up with my galaxy nexus. I now have a Galaxy Tab 2 7", Sony Tablet S, Galaxy S2 and Desire HD sitting there collecting dust. Poor sods. Also if anyone interested the tablets are for sale.
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Almost unfair to put the nexus in the same category as the others... glad I didn't even consider the others

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Haha, sorry to hear that mate. Its a truly sad story. I'm sure your wife will understand. Also, be prepared. Once you get a Nexus device you'll refuse to use anything but a nexus device. That's how I ended up with my galaxy nexus. I now have a Galaxy Tab 2 7", Sony Tablet S, Galaxy S2 and Desire HD sitting there collecting dust. Poor sods. Also if anyone interested the tablets are for sale.
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I really fancy a pure google tablet, stock Android with no UI....I love my One X but I've had enough of Sense.
I'm tempted to wait for a tablet that has screen like the One X, I haven't seen android device with one finer!
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dannysmith43 said:
I really fancy a pure google tablet, stock Android with no UI....I love my One X but I've had enough of Sense.
I'm tempted to wait for a tablet that has screen like the One X, I haven't seen android device with one finer!
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Stock android is the thing that seals the deal with me, however as for screens, the best screens I've seen are Sony's. My Sony Tablet S screen blows the N7s out the water, but then the Sony doesn't have pure android. Maybe you should get an Xperia S, especially now its an ASOP device, or will be. granted I don't actually know how good the screen is on the xperia s, but I heard it is good.
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I think stock is really ugly. Iam not the creative type that can make it pretty. Iwant it to come nice. I like sense, have a one s right now, but my next phone will probably be Windows.

jacewt said:
I think stock is really ugly. Iam not the creative type that can make it pretty. Iwant it to come nice. I like sense, have a one s right now, but my next phone will probably be Windows.
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You think stock is ugly and want windows, damnnn. Windows is bland, you can't even change your background, at least we can give that to iOS.
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If recent rumors hold true, there will be no competition to Google nexus 7. Reportedly Google and Asus working on 2 new versions of Nexus 7. A thinner one which would retail for $199 and another version for $99. Anticipated release date before the end of this year. By Christmas time in anticipation of rumored Ipad mini. A Nexus 7 at $99 will kill any competition. It will be an impulse buy for most people.
GOOGLE and Asus looking to shake things up again. CNET and other major sites reporting this rumor.

demandarin said:
If recent rumors hold true, there will be no competition to Google nexus 7. Reportedly Google and Asus working on 2 new versions of Nexus 7. A thinner one which would retail for $199 and another version for $99. Anticipated release date before the end of this year. By Christmas time in anticipation of rumored Ipad mini. A Nexus 7 at $99 will kill any competition. It will be an impulse buy for most people.
GOOGLE and Asus looking to shake things up again. CNET and other major sites reporting this rumor.
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Reportedly? You mean rumor that Asus shot down? I swear, people read rumors on tech sites and preach it as gospel.

Various notes:
. The Nook HDs were announced at 1AM ET, with no prior notice whatsoever. It was almost as if B&N were embarrassed to announce them. Unsure why, as new Nooks are very comparable to KFHDs. Perhaps it's the gaffe of lacking HDMI-out that KFHDs have, given the new emphasis on videos. Anyway, very strange, and doesn't bode well for Nook HDs' future support. This reinforces my view that this Nook HD gen is a placeholder iteration.
. Styling of the Nook HD+ is completely different from the HD's. The first borrowed from Nook Tablet's old look, while the second went with newer styling cues from the e-ink Nooks. The lack of styling harmony suggests development was partially ad hoc, and the 7" model was either added or revised after the 9" was done. Again, another sign that these may have a short future.
. KFHD has been out for about two weeks, and KFHD forum traffic here on XDA has been minimal, particularly in the dev forum. This suggests that XDA'ers are content with Nexus 7, although the coming 9" Nook/KF models may get a warmer reception (Nook HD+ available on Nov 1, KFHD 9 on Nov 20).
. The elephant in the room is the expected iPad Mini. Since iPod Touch is now priced at $300, I expect miniPad will be $350. And since both Nook and KF can shoehorn 1080p res into a 9" form, I expect miniPad will have a higher res than the reported 1024x768.
. Both KF/Nook 9" models will come after the reported iPad Mini launch in Oct, as well as the Win 8/RT tablets' launches on Oct 26. There'll be lots of toys vying for people's attention. WinRT tabs probably won't hit the $300-and-under bracket, but if Ballmer does the limbo and Surface RT is priced at $300 or the rumored $200, it will add considerable turbulence to the low-end.
. Back to Nexus 7. I used Goog Dashboard (http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html) to gauge JB adoption rate, as a proxy for N7's adoption rate. The latest data (for 1.5 months of N7 sales) doesn't show a noticeable uptick in JB adoption. This suggests that while N7 sales may be good, it isn't awesome, and won't be enough by itself to carry the "open Android" banner forward. N7 sales won't get any better, with impending launches of the many competing tablets. Google needs a 9" or 10" Nexus to compete.

dannysmith43 said:
Hoping to get a Nexus when the wife forgets I had a tablet previously!
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Let me say as a wife, that this is likely not to happen!

Doodling with finding display sizes of the various tablets, using my long-rusted math:
let C = diagonal, AR = aspect ratio
Pythagorean: C^2 = A^2 + B^2 = A^2 + AR^2 * A^2 = (AR^2 + 1) * A^2
A = ( C^2 / (AR^2 + 1) )^0.5
B = (( C^2 / (AR^2 + 1) )^0.5 ) * AR
Area = C^2 / (AR^2 + 1) * AR
Code:
Display areas:
Nexus 7 / KFHD 7 / Nook HD (C=7, AR=16/10): 22.0 sq in
KFHD 9 (C=8.9, AR=16/10): 35.6 sq in
Nook HD+ (C=9, AR=3/2): 37.4 sq in
iPad (C=9.7, AR=4/3): 45.2 sq in
iPad Mini (C=7.85, AR=4/3): 29.6 sq in
Code:
Display widths (portrait):
diag=7, AR=17/10: 3.54" - Nook Color, KF, Galaxy Tab 2 7"
diag=7, AR=16/10: 3.71" - Nexus 7, KFHD 7, Nook HD
diag=8, AR=16/10: 4.24" - Galaxy Note 8
diag=7.85, AR=4/3: 4.71" - iPad Mini
diag=8.9, AR=16/10: 4.72" - KFHD 8.9
diag=8, AR=4/3: 4.80" - (most Android 8" tabs)
diag=9, AR=3/2: 4.99" - Nook HD+
diag=10.6, AR=16/9: 5.20" - Surface RT/Pro
diag=10, AR=16/10: 5.30" - Nexus 10, (most Android 10" tabs)
diag=11.6, AR=16/9: 5.69" - (most 11.6" Win8 tabs)
diag=9.7, AR=4/3: 5.82" - iPad, (most Android 9.7" tabs)

Retina HD vs. Super Amoled

Will you be throwing away your Tab S when the new iPad air comes out with Retina HD?

NixxonExxo said:
Will you be throwing away your Tab S when the new iPad air comes out with Retina HD?
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NOPE. i probably sell it. to throw it away is just ridiculous... hahahaha... nah joking aside... if it satisfy my need i just have it both... :good::good::good:

Too many restriction on Apple product, use them before and not planning to turn back.
MKV with DTS is simply not possible even on 720p. You can easily copy and paste on Android and play with MX Player Pro ( custom codec )

NixxonExxo said:
Will you be throwing away your Tab S when the new iPad air comes out with Retina HD?
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I came from Ipad Mini Retina back to AMOLED already and I'm not going back. The Retina Mini screen has poor colors, poor black levels, poor brightness when viewed from an angle and a 4:3 aspect ratio which sucks for movies. I regret that affair

No.. i doubt if i would even come back to lcd..

NixxonExxo said:
Will you be throwing away your Tab S when the new iPad air comes out with Retina HD?
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You're a funny man. There is no way I will go back to the apple ecosystem while their restrictive; "We tell you what you can do with your device and you'll like it" policy is in place.

NixxonExxo said:
Will you be throwing away your Tab S when the new iPad air comes out with Retina HD?
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The Note 3 has 388 PPI, SGS5 has 432 PPI, and the Note 4 has 515 PPI. The iP6 has 326 PPI and the iP6+ has 401 PPI. Far from "industry leading."
The Tab S/Pro 8.4 have 359 PPI and the N10.1-14 and Pro 10.1 have 299 PPI; the Tab S 10.5 has 287 PPI. The iPad Retina Mini has 326 PPI and the iPad Air has 264 PPI.
The iPad Air display performs well (but not as well as the Tab S); the higher PPI iPad Mini Retina display not so much.
Comparisons [against the Tab S] with the Amazon Kindle Fire HDX and Apple iPad Tablet Displays: In 2013 the Amazon Kindle Fire HDX Tablets became the top performing Tablet displays in our Display Technology Shoot-Out series, leapfrogging the competition with cutting edge displays using Quantum Dots and Low Temperature Poly Silicon. But with the ever continuing and impressive improvements in display technology the Samsung Galaxy Tab S has now taken the lead for the Best Tablet Displays. The Apple iPad Air, which came in second after the Kindle Fire HDX 8.9, now moves into third place for Flagship Tablet models, and the iPad mini with Retina Display, with a very disappointing 63 percent of the standard sRGB/Rec.709 Color Gamut and poor Color Accuracy moves further down the pack for the Mini Tablet models. You can directly compare all of the display performance measurements and results by referring to these and other articles in our Display Technology Shoot-Out article series.​​
http://www.displaymate.com/OLED_Tablet_ShootOut_1.htm
So it's a huge assumption based on history to assume Apple's next tablet displays are automatically going to be great. Especially greater than the Tab S'; the current reigning champion.
Marketing's a myth ladies and gentlemen. So tacking on an acronym (HD) to a contrived term (retina display) doesn't guarantee greatness. Especially since Apple's hasn't owned objective display "greatness" in quite a while.

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OK. I will chip in here. I used to have Galaxy Tab 1, Galaxy Tab 7.7, Ipad Mini Retina and now I have Galaxy Tab 8.4 s so I think I have good overview of small and mid sized tablets.
1. When I moved to own Ipad Mini Retina I was truly disappointed with iOS for its limitations, the need to have Ipad constantly hooked to PC, no file browser etc. I was more than excited with battery life and casing quality. The screen at the moment of the purchase of Ipad was OK (it was somehow small to watch movies though it was good to read; color rendition was also OK but was significantly worse than Galaxy Tab 7.7).
Now Galaxy Tab 8.4 s compared to Ipad Mini Retina:
Screen - no comparison at all in favour of Samsung. Perfect screen size, form factor, color rendition and blacks reproduction.
Casing - I am supposed. I expected cheap plastic tablet. It is chip and plastic but after three weeks of use it does not shows signs of any wear (I use book cover).
Battery life is 30%-35% percent worse for Samsung. It is disappointing as regards Samsung but it is not a deal brake r. For me Samsung lasts 6 hours or a bit more whereas Ipad lasted 9-10h.
OS. I am with ANDROID again. Hurra! It is fun and freedom to use this OS again.
^
Swiftness/performance - lag and stutter is again there. It is non issue after I debloated my ROM and changed the kernel but extra 2 Gigs of ram brings suppressingly little.
And of the day I am happy but I am not so certain how I will react when new mini comes out.
Cheers,
KL
BarryH_GEG said:
The Note 3 has 388 PPI, SGS5 has 432 PPI, and the Note 4 has 515 PPI. The iP6 has 326 PPI and the iP6+ has 401 PPI. Far from "industry leading."
The Tab S/Pro 8.4 have 359 PPI and the N10.1-14 and Pro 10.1 have 299 PPI; the Tab S 10.5 has 287 PPI. The iPad Retina Mini has 326 PPI and the iPad Air has 264 PPI.
The iPad Air display performs well (but not as well as the Tab S); the higher PPI iPad Mini Retina display not so much.
Comparisons [against the Tab S] with the Amazon Kindle Fire HDX and Apple iPad Tablet Displays: In 2013 the Amazon Kindle Fire HDX Tablets became the top performing Tablet displays in our Display Technology Shoot-Out series, leapfrogging the competition with cutting edge displays using Quantum Dots and Low Temperature Poly Silicon. But with the ever continuing and impressive improvements in display technology the Samsung Galaxy Tab S has now taken the lead for the Best Tablet Displays. The Apple iPad Air, which came in second after the Kindle Fire HDX 8.9, now moves into third place for Flagship Tablet models, and the iPad mini with Retina Display, with a very disappointing 63 percent of the standard sRGB/Rec.709 Color Gamut and poor Color Accuracy moves further down the pack for the Mini Tablet models. You can directly compare all of the display performance measurements and results by referring to these and other articles in our Display Technology Shoot-Out article series.​​
http://www.displaymate.com/OLED_Tablet_ShootOut_1.htm
So it's a huge assumption based on history to assume Apple's next tablet displays are automatically going to be great. Especially greater than the Tab S'; the current reigning champion.
Marketing's a myth ladies and gentlemen. So tacking on an acronym (HD) to a contrived term (retina display) doesn't guarantee greatness. Especially since Apple's hasn't owned objective display "greatness" in quite a while.
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NixxonExxo said:
Will you be throwing away your Tab S when the new iPad air comes out with Retina HD?
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You're hilarious! I highly doubt anyone here would ever change from Android to iOS purely because of the screen resolution.

ThE_SoUrCe said:
No.. i doubt if i would even come back to lcd..
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^ so true. I was waiting for the Nexus 9 when I made the mistake of using a Tab S, now I own one and don't care about the K1 or Nexus 9 because it won't have the quality of display I'm used to. iPads and iPhones are terrible in bright light, even worse in low light (so much backlight bleed!) and colors aren't near accurate enough for web design testing. Whereas a few minutes of calibration revealed my Tab S is nearly perfect in color reproduction.
Apple has a long history of sub-par display technologies, pretty-but-awful materials and questionable design choices. Retina HD sounds like more of the same hype without substance considering that iPad/iPhone hardware isn't competitive with most Androids and hasn't been since 2010.
edit: haha! this is so funny, somebody made an infographic showing the derivation of new iPhones
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Few on XDA would be willing to trade any android device for an Apple ANYTHING. Apple makes(or contracts) great hardware, and then installs their "bland, locked down, marketed to cattle" OS on top.
I might someday switch back to windows based tablet/phone, but I will never buy an apple.
it's kind of amusing, I'm an engineer, I work with a 1/2 dozen other engineers, all of whom own apply iphones, they are the same guys who hate windows and love linux because it's open source and totally configurable. They are all already planning to dish out 350 buck for the iWatch after months of telling me they thought my gear neo(which I spent 150 dollars for) and all smartwatches were ugly overpriced and unnecessary. Now they are gaga for the same features they were bashing months ago because it has an apple logo on it.

brando56894 said:
You're hilarious! I highly doubt anyone here would ever change from Android to iOS purely because of the screen resolution.
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And in particular. ..... a DOWNGRADE

Listen to me people , Never ever go to ios based piece of tech especialy after trying freedom of android
Second thing is how will anybody will trade this astonishing screen with anything else

Apple is NEVER even a consideration when I buy any gadgets! Had an iPUD, found it was way to restrictive sold it and never looked back. BUT, I am very, very disappointed with Android at this moment as I am not allowed to write to the SD Card that *I* paid for with anything except the Samsung file manager. I hope this is changed by the next Android release. I know, rooting is the answer right now, but I'm not ready to take that step as I keep hoping this will change.

Oled
once you go black you never go back.......Oled.....

Zamboney said:
Haha, you would have to be a retard to switch to ipad from the S. The question is: are you?
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First if u think like that u r the retard
Second I used both and no way I will go for ipad again

Can we find another negative adjective besides "retard" to throw around? I'm sure some find it offensive. Better yet, stop personalizing something as simple as someone's views on LCD vs. AMOLED or iOS vs. Android that may differ from yours. It's a mobile device we're talking about, not world peace or a cure for terminal illness.

The freedom of android is pure gold, BUT the android experience on tablets of 10inches with high res like the tab s 10.5 is just crap, I really wish Google made some guidelines for developers for higher screens. Almost every app is just exploded phone apps, they look ok at 8.4" but something bigger and dang A LOT of wasted space, sure we can install xposed + app settings and change the dpi, but then we loose sharpness.
So yeah once the new ipad is announced and IF it comes with 2gb of ram I will get one, and keep my pro 8.4 (switched from tab s 10.5")
So for me is personal phone Android (S4).
Tablet to take out of home Android (Tab pro 8.4).
Tablet to keep at home for night usage (iOS) Ipad.

Apple is pure utter garbage. I was a slave of their devices for years. I'm glad to say, that when I was released from their shackles, my experiences and pleasures with devices (other than apple) rose exponentially.

CyberManiaK said:
BUT the android experience on tablets of 10inches with high res like the tab s 10.5 is just crap
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Are there piss poor large format tablet apps? Sure.
Of the apps I use most I'd say about 75% are optimized for large tablets. Meaning the UI is adjusted to maximize the additional screen real estate. About 20% are fine on a tablet but could make better use of the real estate. 5%, like the two above, are crap. Multiview on a 10" tablet is great; you can comfortably use two apps side-by-side. Not so much on a 8" tablet. So I put up with a small amount of app quirkiness because, at least to me, the additional screen real estate is worth it. But it's not as bad as your sweeping statement indicates.