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Hey guys How everyone doing?
I see that you guys dont got a Q&A Section over here, so I decided to drop this here. Today i'm heading over to the store to switch from Sprint to Verizon.Needless to say Sprint service has only gotten worse over the years. Been with them for almost 10 years now (be 10 yrs in Janurary). AnyWhoo, I got a couple of questions for you guys, pretty straight forward, and Sorry in advance if this was the wrong place for this. But basically im coming from the EVO 3D (EVO 4G Previous to that) and I understand that the Razor is being released in early November, But I need to switch today cause between the TErrible 3G, and Data and such, I need my phone for work. My Co-Worker has Verizon and tells me that his Data coverage is amazing. So im thinking of picking up the Bionic, seeing that its the latest and greatest out right now on Verizon, But Ive been reading around for the past 24hrs that alot of people have there 3G/4G signal just cut off. Now I dont really lose my 3G (5 miles north of Boston) here, but the data speeds are just so slow that I cant really do anything most of the time. I got ROOT and all of that good stuff of course, but trying all the different Tweaks and Radios and such can only help so much. So my Question is, Is the Bionic Plagued with losing its 3G/4G signal out of no where constantly? I figured I'd ask you guys before I did anything today. Thats the one thing that worrys the most. Of course im also worried about root and such, cause over at the EVO 3D DEV section we got some great DEVin going on right now, But I really gotta focus on more important things than that right now. Any advice would be great fellas! I really appreciate it, and once again SORRY if this was put in the wrong place
Jon
I refuse to read this until you break some of this up into paragraphs....this is ridiculous.
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WOW.....Gee thanks for the help Brotha!!! that was so helpful in many ways. DO you really have that much trouble reading it? Jesus, DO you want me to add 10 periods between each word LOL?
I like my Bionic and all (and the coverage is certainly better than the ATT garbage I came from) but I would recommend seriously considering the Nexus Prime. (Screw the RAZR.) If you've been with Sprint for a decade, are you sure that you absolutely cannot wait another 2-4 weeks for a clean, unlockable phone?
Underwater Mike said:
I like my Bionic and all (and the coverage is certainly better than the ATT garbage I came from) but I would recommend seriously considering the Nexus Prime. (Screw the RAZR.) If you've been with Sprint for a decade, are you sure that you absolutely cannot wait another 2-4 weeks for a clean, unlockable phone?
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well that was my original intention. But the one thing i was worried about was AVAILABILITY for the galaxy nexus. I figured id would have to be a member of verizon in order to pre-order the nexus. So I thought maybe ill get the bionic for now until the galaxy nexus came out. But things with sprint has just gotten to bad lately. Its a tough decision, but now u got me second guessing LOL. that may be the best thing i think. Thanks for the feedback!!!
This is just my experience, but I have noticed the data has been dropping a lot lately. I lost data yesterday, but after I turned the phone on the off it came back.
My only issue with doing that is when I power down & restart I lose apps, which gets old. Then I have to download all again.
Its frustrating paying $110+ a month for something that loses data & forces me to reinstall apps.
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In. my opinion the bionic is a dirty phone and would recommend it to anyone the data is blazing fast and I very rarely have any data drops and I have to be in the middle of nowhere for that to happen. And with the fact that you can't add an extended battery to the razr this phone is just plain better.
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In. my opinion the bionic is a dirty phone and would recommend it to anyone the data is blazing fast and I very rarely have any data drops and I have to be in the middle of nowhere for that to happen. And with the fact that you can't add an extended battery to the razr this phone is just plain better.
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But the data drops aren't from spotty network, they're from a goofy radio. So, to me that is a toss-up. You can live in a prime coverage area, like me, and still have issues. The upcoming patch is supposed to fix the problem on all phones, but I will believe it when I see it. MOT has already backpedaled on the bootloader issue, so I would not be surprised to see them do so on a 100% radio fix.
As I said, I would not even consider the RAZR. I replaced the battery on my iPhone six times (no kidding), so the idea of not being able to swap a batt without disassembling the handset drives me nuts, even if it does take less than 10 minutes.
If you are able to get a Bionic now and trade to a Prime when they come out, then you really have nothing to lose. For someone who does not have that option, though, waiting a few extra weeks would be advisable IMO.
Another vote for waiting for the Galaxy Nexus. I really like my Bionic, but Motorola has already said, by releasing the Razr, that the Bionic isn't its priority anymore, and given the number of issues many are having with the phone and the locked bootloader, I'm tempted to say that if you can wait and get the GNex, you should. My 14 days ran out before the GNex was announced, but otherwise, I would've made the jump.
Also, skip the Razr altogether. It's a slightly improved Bionic with no user-replaceable battery. Don't bother.
I made the switch from Sprint to Verizon in July (to lock in the unlimited data plan - had to pay an ETF for that but it was worth it - I had an Evo 4G). Service and speeds are amazing, but as other posters have stated, I get the data drops like once a day. Usually, a flip to Airplane mode and back fixes the problem. I am sure it is bad radio code, not a bad network.
I started with a Droid Charge through Costco with the hope of being able to swap it out for the Bionic. As luck would have it, Costco eagerly replaced the Charge with a Bionic for both me and my wife because the Charge had such crappy bluetooth that would drop all the time for many of their customers. There was no argument when we went back in.
Now Bionic: I love the Webtop mode and for that reason would probably stick with Motorola, but my work may be different than yours. I'm typically in an office setting that has a lot of network lockdowns. Having a 'second computer' over which my employer has no control is very nice.
My concerns regarding the Nexus are two-fold: 1) I don't know if they will use the same crappy file system that they used on the Charge or if Google had complete control over the software down to that level of detail. It could also be that ICS uses a whole new file system - I just don't know - I am only pointing it out as an area I would research if I were making the same purchase decision as you are.
2) Development for the Charge was limited. With Google's impending purchase of Moto, I expect accelerated development on Moto products.
Finally, with regards to the Razr: Cool, but no replaceable battery means no battery pulls when things go wrong. I stand taller than 4'8" so an extra 5mm of phone thickness in my pocket is not an issue.
Hi Jon,
I've had EVERY carrier over the past few years, and I can say, Verizon is by far the best. In todays day in age where data is everything... Verizon brings it. Even 3G I would still sometimes get 1.5mbps, and now with LTE 4G, its amazing.
The price of Verizon is kind of "Eh" but, when I'm sitting on the Naval base (which gets horrific signal) and I can still pull 10-15mbps down, I can say I'm one happy guy.
The only thing that concerns me about Verizon is their policies on things, ie: Bootloaders, Rooting, etc. If I were you. I'd wait until the Nexus becomes available. If you go on craigslist, there are people willing to sell their old phone PLAN to you, as in those old unlimited data ones. HIGHLY suggest going there. I have had friends do that recently with NO issues.
Either way, As much as I love Sprint's phones (EVO 3D being OC'ed to 1.8Ghz) Verizon's reception is incredible nationwide If you have any questions, PM me!
I just realized that I neglected to address your real question. I recently switched from AT&T to Verizon, and the difference in network has been night and day. I went from getting 100kbps down on a good day with AT&T to consistently getting 500kbps+ with 4GLTE, and I've only dropped one call in the month+ I've had the phone. Switching to Verizon was among my better decisions I've made lately.
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Another vote for waiting for the Galaxy Nexus. I really like my Bionic, but Motorola has already said, by releasing the Razr, that the Bionic isn't its priority anymore, and given the number of issues many are having with the phone and the locked bootloader, I'm tempted to say that if you can wait and get the GNex, you should. My 14 days ran out before the GNex was announced, but otherwise, I would've made the jump.
Also, skip the Razr altogether. It's a slightly improved Bionic with no user-replaceable battery. Don't bother.
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I believe the Bionic is still a priority. They're advertising it during NFL games that it comes with free NFL network. The average user doesn't really care about a lot of what we talk about on here. Some people will prefer the bulk of the Bionic, and others will prefer the Razr.
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I would definitely recommend waiting for both the razr and galaxy nexus to be released, then going to the store and giving 5 minutes to each phone. I like my bionic, but I regret not examining it more closely before buying it. But with that being said, the battery life on this is amazing with the extended battery, and that is a critical factor for most. How would you like to have a droid razr that only lasts half a day? Sure it looks pretty, but what's the point if it's off half the time. As for the galaxy nexus, samsung is on fire now, so I have no doubt that it'll be the best phone you can have.
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Hey guys How everyone doing?
I see that you guys dont got a Q&A Section over here, so I decided to drop this here. Today i'm heading over to the store to switch from Sprint to Verizon.Needless to say Sprint service has only gotten worse over the years. Been with them for almost 10 years now (be 10 yrs in Janurary). AnyWhoo, I got a couple of questions for you guys, pretty straight forward, and Sorry in advance if this was the wrong place for this. But basically im coming from the EVO 3D (EVO 4G Previous to that) and I understand that the Razor is being released in early November, But I need to switch today cause between the TErrible 3G, and Data and such, I need my phone for work. My Co-Worker has Verizon and tells me that his Data coverage is amazing. So im thinking of picking up the Bionic, seeing that its the latest and greatest out right now on Verizon, But Ive been reading around for the past 24hrs that alot of people have there 3G/4G signal just cut off. Now I dont really lose my 3G (5 miles north of Boston) here, but the data speeds are just so slow that I cant really do anything most of the time. I got ROOT and all of that good stuff of course, but trying all the different Tweaks and Radios and such can only help so much. So my Question is, Is the Bionic Plagued with losing its 3G/4G signal out of no where constantly? I figured I'd ask you guys before I did anything today. Thats the one thing that worrys the most. Of course im also worried about root and such, cause over at the EVO 3D DEV section we got some great DEVin going on right now, But I really gotta focus on more important things than that right now. Any advice would be great fellas! I really appreciate it, and once again SORRY if this was put in the wrong place
Jon
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The radio CAN go wonky, but it seems to be only when you are in a mediocre LTE area or otherwise are switching between LTE and CDMA connections. If stability is more important to you than speed, I've found that if I set my radio mode to CDMA only, the connection is rock solid. As an added plus, the battery lasts MUCH longer without the LTE radio going!
EDIT: Also, the speed is very acceptable, even on 3G/CDMA. I had a Sprint Photon 4G and 3G throughput often didn't break 200Kbps in either direction. With my Bionic, i regularly get 600Kbps+.
Dude I've had the same dilemma. After my fiasco with Epic 4g Touch with terrible reception and slow internet (where my EVO was doing just fine) I left Sprint and signed my soul out to Verizon.
I also couldn't wait for Galaxy Nexus which I'm gonna get eventually.
Now. I didn't want to get an expensive temporary phone so I went for LG Revolution. God I'm glad they have that 14 days exchange policy. What a piece of junk.
So now I've got Bionic and I'm temporarily happy.
Now the important stuff.
I drive truck all over the country and all I can say about Verizon coverage is wow. I don't know what a dropped call is and I can watch Hulu almost everywhere.
The infamous LOS happened to me every now and then on that POS Revolution (Stock unrooted). Now I read that this is happening on Bionic too. So it must be the network problem then. Nothing we can do about that I'm afraid.
It didn't happen yet on my new Bionic but I've gotten it 2 days ago.
Rooted and de-bloated today so we'll see.
BTW. I don't believe Galaxy Nexus will come out according to leaks. (11.10)
Similar leak said Motorola Razr will come before (10.27) and now it's for pre-order on VZ website saying "Will ship by 11.10.11.
I think Galaxy Nexus will follow that pattern and it will go on pre-order 11.10 and will start to ship 2-3 weeks from that date.
But I would be more than thrilled if I'm being wrong.
reverepats said:
Hey guys How everyone doing?
I see that you guys dont got a Q&A Section over here, so I decided to drop this here. Today i'm heading over to the store to switch from Sprint to Verizon.Needless to say Sprint service has only gotten worse over the years. Been with them for almost 10 years now (be 10 yrs in Janurary). AnyWhoo, I got a couple of questions for you guys, pretty straight forward, and Sorry in advance if this was the wrong place for this. But basically im coming from the EVO 3D (EVO 4G Previous to that) and I understand that the Razor is being released in early November, But I need to switch today cause between the TErrible 3G, and Data and such, I need my phone for work. My Co-Worker has Verizon and tells me that his Data coverage is amazing. So im thinking of picking up the Bionic, seeing that its the latest and greatest out right now on Verizon, But Ive been reading around for the past 24hrs that alot of people have there 3G/4G signal just cut off. Now I dont really lose my 3G (5 miles north of Boston) here, but the data speeds are just so slow that I cant really do anything most of the time. I got ROOT and all of that good stuff of course, but trying all the different Tweaks and Radios and such can only help so much. So my Question is, Is the Bionic Plagued with losing its 3G/4G signal out of no where constantly? I figured I'd ask you guys before I did anything today. Thats the one thing that worrys the most. Of course im also worried about root and such, cause over at the EVO 3D DEV section we got some great DEVin going on right now, But I really gotta focus on more important things than that right now. Any advice would be great fellas! I really appreciate it, and once again SORRY if this was put in the wrong place
Jon
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The 27th was always the pre-order date for the RAZR, a few sites got it confused.
Stank0 said:
Dude I've had the same dilemma. After my fiasco with Epic 4g Touch with terrible reception and slow internet (where my EVO was doing just fine) I left Sprint and signed my soul out to Verizon.
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Same for me with the Samsung epic 4g touch. Just crap of a phone samsucks when it comes to udates on their firmware even my wife has the nexus s great software updates. Horrible firmware and software fixes from Samsung. Galaxy nexus will suffer from samsungs lack of updates for fixes and issues. Look at the Droid charge. I just switched from sprint 2 weeks ago and took over someones unlimited plan and bought my bionic happy now
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Also have HTC rezound coming too
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The 27th was always the pre-order date for the RAZR, a few sites got it confused.
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The leak shows the release date for Razr as 10.27.11 (Engadget) and it became available for pre-order that date. (or was it 29th?) the same way it shows release date for Galaxy Nexus as 11.10.11.
By way of extrapolation, Galaxy Nexus will be availale for pre-order 11.10.11.
And again, I'd LOVE to be wrong.
My fiance is getting the Bionic, it's expected early next week. What are the known problems with this phone so we know what to expect?
Oh, and this wasn't a phone of either of our choice, Verizon kinda forced it on her. She had her phone stolen at work and Verizon offered to give her this phone for a price, but give up her upgrade next yr and sign a 2 yr agreement. When we tried asking for another phone, we got a firm "we can't do that." I know, really bad deal... I may try calling on her behalf to get that straightened out tonight.
But in case we're stuck, I was just curious about the problems.
What phone did she have? What phone would you and her rather have had? Since you're showing a little hate, I'll show a little love........... Bionic is the best phone out there, you won't find anything better.
Most of the issues have been resolve with the updates love the phone have had it since launch very fast and no lags in the software 4g is great, only issue is a data drop maybe once a week when switching from 4g to 3g.
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I didn't mean to give the impression I was expecting this to be a terrible phone. Just as getting anything new, you want to know what to expect. I'm an avid Android user and know the specs. The phone seems to be a great phone, but it can be a bit harder to investigate any problems with it. I was hoping someone would say the bugs were worked out, so thank you for that. The hate comes from the way Verizon kind of screwed her out of an upgrade without any choice of phone. We didn't know what we would have rather had yet, but having known it would be giving up an upgrade, we would have liked to look into what is available and actually have a choice.
But the Bionic IS an upgrade from what she had before. She had the LG Revolution which was a terrible experience. Thanks for the feedback though. Like I said, I was just trying to get a better idea of what to expect. (Thanks buttons have been clicked)
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I didn't mean to give the impression I was expecting this to be a terrible phone. Just as getting anything new, you want to know what to expect. I'm an avid Android user and know the specs. The phone seems to be a great phone, but it can be a bit harder to investigate any problems with it. I was hoping someone would say the bugs were worked out, so thank you for that. The hate comes from the way Verizon kind of screwed her out of an upgrade without any choice of phone. We didn't know what we would have rather had yet, but having known it would be giving up an upgrade, we would have liked to look into what is available and actually have a choice.
But the Bionic IS an upgrade from what she had before. She had the LG Revolution which was a terrible experience. Thanks for the feedback though. Like I said, I was just trying to get a better idea of what to expect. (Thanks buttons have been clicked)
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I just got my bionic yesterday on a warranty swap (had an LG Revolution also... went through 3 of them before they gave me another option). All I had to pay for was a battery and battery door.
Rooting it is now fairly easy. ICS builds are out there, but I'm not satisfied with the quality try for daily use. One you root it and ROM it, first thing to do is wipe battery stats.
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I just got my bionic yesterday on a warranty swap (had an LG Revolution also... went through 3 of them before they gave me another option). All I had to pay for was a battery and battery door.
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Wow, lucky you. They'll do anything to get more money from ya (us) huh? They're reasoning is they're letting her upgrade over a year early - hence the reason for no choice.
Hans5849 said:
Rooting it is now fairly easy. ICS builds are out there, but I'm not satisfied with the quality try for daily use. One you root it and ROM it, first thing to do is wipe battery stats.
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I appreciate the rom tips, but she refuses to go that route - I tried. I've rooted and flashed countless roms on 3 phones i've owned, but she isn't comfortable letting that happen. so, her use will always be 100% stock. But since we're on the topic, any promise of an official ICS update? I'll look into this myself if no one cares to answer. I'm sure that's easy to find.
Motorola has promised ics but there is no set date for it.
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Some nice things
I just got mine a couple of weeks ago. While you did ask about known issues, I guess it's only fair to mentions some positives as well.
1. The 4g, at least in my area (around Baltimore), is pretty great.
2. Patching the mobile hotspot is fairly easy, (if you don't mind spending a couple of bucks on the right app) which is quite useful if you're grandfathered with unlimited data.
3. The lapdock can be quite useful - emphasis on "can" - as you can have a full blown linux OS running on it (takes some nerdiness to get it working nice, but I honestly think it's well worth it since I paid only about $70 for my lapdock).
4. Rooting the phone is extremely easy.
5. If you mess anything up, restoring it to its original state is fairly easy and mostly fool proof (as with all motorola android phones) using RSD Lite.
Got mine about 2 weeks ago and I absolutely love the way it works. My wife upgraded as well to her first smartphone, but sadly she chose the Samsung Charge. When I showed her the pink theme for Eclipse 2.2 she was having 2nd thoughts on her choice. Over all a damn good device and lots of different options for it.
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Wow, lucky you. They'll do anything to get more money from ya (us) huh? They're reasoning is they're letting her upgrade over a year early - hence the reason for no choice.
I appreciate the rom tips, but she refuses to go that route - I tried. I've rooted and flashed countless roms on 3 phones i've owned, but she isn't comfortable letting that happen. so, her use will always be 100% stock. But since we're on the topic, any promise of an official ICS update? I'll look into this myself if no one cares to answer. I'm sure that's easy to find.
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The data drop issues I had were resolved with the leaked .904 update. Fairly simple to apply and the phone stays stock since its just an update, maybe you need to root. (I was rooted when I applied it and had to reroot after.)
Other then that I would occasionally get duplicate texts and it would get rather annoying getting the same text multiple times, one time it didnt stop so I had to reboot (note that this is same in stock as well as roms and messaging apps).
Since then I disabled the timestamp option in the text messaging and it seems to have resolved it. (2 days with no duplicates) I re-enabled it to see if it would start doing it again to see if the timestamps are the actual root cause of the problem.
Those were my only issues with Stock. Since then I have been running Eclipse and have been loving it.
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Got mine about 2 weeks ago and I absolutely love the way it works. My wife upgraded as well to her first smartphone, but sadly she chose the Samsung Charge. When I showed her the pink theme for Eclipse 2.2 she was having 2nd thoughts on her choice. Over all a damn good device and lots of different options for it.
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DROID Charge?? that's a terrible choice.
Called VZW today to replace my Bionic due to a Charging issue with the device. After informing (Tech Support Rep) aka the department that issues out replacement phones that my Bionic once plugged onto the charger it discharges. in order to get the battery to charge i have to do a "battery pull" at least twice. Last week I went into a VZW store thinking it was my extended battery had it replaced for a new one and still the same issue persist. After explaining this the Rep shipped out a replacement. He seemed pretty cool through out the conversation so I went ahead and asked about the Bionic and Android 4.0 and how upset I was that last week I read a post online that the list of Verizon phones to get ICS and the Bionic wasn't on that list mind you I also have a Xoom LTE so I threw that out there too!! so then he said hold on let me look, he didn't place me on hold i could hear him typing away i guess looking for the info on his end and he confirmed that the Bionic will be getting ICS indeed and so will the Xoom LTE be he didn't say when. let's see how much of this is true.......I wish i had something more solid to give you guys I tried!!!!!!
Well there is a soak test going on
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/04/3...ers/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
Anyone in on this? We can dream can't we? Lol
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Thanks for the link I wasn't lucky enough to get the E mail invite
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No worries. I didn't want to start a new thread, since yours kinda is along the same lines.
Are there any BIONIC users left? This forum is kinda slow. The droid x2 forum has more chatter going on than we do lol
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I think the Motorola Cliq forum has more activity then ours lol.
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I think the Motorola Cliq forum has more activity then ours lol.
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that's embarrassing but unfortunately not surprising. so many developers have jumped ship because the Bionic was such a disappointment. Then a month later, the Razr was released. I've said it before and I'll say it again. VZW and MOTO screwed all of us who waited for the delayed release of the Bionic. Now they are screwing us over again. The next update will probably be .904 (not ICS). the current status for ICS is still in "Evaluation and Planning".
The sad part is that MOTO still makes the best phones. HTC never did it for me and I never liked Samsung. At the moment, the RAZR MAXX is the way to go. But even they aren't sure when to expect ICS. So for now, we wait for ICS and hope that some developers come back.
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Ehh your right out forums are dead ill try to hop on more. Maybe one day I will make a full post about it, but man, waiting for the Bionic since it was announced in january, then just to have the RAZR released right after it? A kick in the ass indeed.....
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Lol well I bought the DROID X2 shortly after it came out, only to have the Bionic drop a few months later. After going through 5 replacements I bought the Bionic on CL since VZW wouldn't give me an early upgrade, only offered me a Dinc2 which I declined.
I probably won't buy another Moto product on VZW again unless they get their stuff straight.
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No worries. I didn't want to start a new thread, since yours kinda is along the same lines.
Are there any BIONIC users left? This forum is kinda slow. The droid x2 forum has more chatter going on than we do lol
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Not really much left to say unless you want to complain [again] about the locked bootloader, lack of stable ICS and disappearance of devs. I've done all the groaning I can on this phone. After buying two, I'll get anything but Moto when it's time for an upgrade. They just don't appreciate customers.
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that's embarrassing but unfortunately not surprising. so many developers have jumped ship because the Bionic was such a disappointment. Then a month later, the Razr was released. I've said it before and I'll say it again. VZW and MOTO screwed all of us who waited for the delayed release of the Bionic. Now they are screwing us over again. The next update will probably be .904 (not ICS). the current status for ICS is still in "Evaluation and Planning".
The sad part is that MOTO still makes the best phones. HTC never did it for me and I never liked Samsung. At the moment, the RAZR MAXX is the way to go. But even they aren't sure when to expect ICS. So for now, we wait for ICS and hope that some developers come back.
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Lol well I bought the DROID X2 shortly after it came out, only to have the Bionic drop a few months later. After going through 5 replacements I bought the Bionic on CL since VZW wouldn't give me an early upgrade, only offered me a Dinc2 which I declined.
I probably won't buy another Moto product on VZW again unless they get their stuff straight.
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Underwater Mike said:
Not really much left to say unless you want to complain [again] about the locked bootloader, lack of stable ICS and disappearance of devs. I've done all the groaning I can on this phone. After buying two, I'll get anything but Moto when it's time for an upgrade. They just don't appreciate customers.
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As a follow up to how much I love to hate on MOTO and VZW for a lot of what they have done, I still would not switch from either company. Before the Bionic, I had a Droid X for a year and loved every minute of it. I never had any issues (I wasn't rooting and messing around at that point). The reason I got into the rooting/ROM side of things was because the Bionic had so much bloatware and such terrible battery life that I hoped most could be fixed with a new ROM. On both fronts, yes, Liberty did miracles. But even with the extended battery, my expectations of the phone's performance have not been entirely met. In some light messing around with a friend's RAZR MAXX during the last couple of months, I have found that it is more similar to the X than the Bionic; lighter on the bloatware and heavier on the performance. MOTO also has all the accessories that HTC and Samsung don't. With both the X and the Bionic, the navigation is stellar. I use the windshield mount almost everyday which correct me if I'm wrong, is not offered by the other companies. I have also heard that Samsung's, and seen that HTC's phones do not have a reliable GPS. Finally, with Google's acquisition of MOTO Mobility nearing completion, I would hope that the developers at Google will work to streamline BLUR in the near future.
I totally agree with you CR
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I received the update to participate in the soak test yesterday. They have not pushed the test out yet as of 11:30 am CST..
This is all fine and dandy to wish for but realize this Droid Bionic, Love It! is soon to leave Verizon phone lineup due to its shortness of inventory and all the wonderful fascinating new devices that are out or coming...Do you really think the Evil Empire will actually give a new O/S to what they call an outdated device! Its just not good financial business to them! And how many times before have they "changed their minds" due to their financial gains, oh, but only to better our customer experience!
Well it's a story known all to well. I had the bionic. Every time I would call Verizon they would tell me to wait for the new update that was around the corner or they would just replace the phone with another Bionic. The new. 905 update just made the phone unusable. I finally broke down and called verizion yet again not expecting any real help. I was very kind and basically killed em with kindness. After explaining that I have had issues since day one and that I required a working smartphone for work and there was a history of me calling all the time, they finally moved me to what they called level 2 support. Had to explain the whole process from day one to now again. The man was very kind, as was I and offered me a thunderbolt. I asked him if there was any way to change out to a different dual core 4g phone cause the thunderbolt was a step backwards. He then said he could give me a razr. OK I guess but I then asked if he could do any dual core 4g that wasn't a Motorola. He said no at first cause phone companies are cracking down on the exchanging phone issue. As I started to say OK send me the razr, he asked if I would hold for about 10min. I said sure. When he came back he said I can tell you are not happy with Motorola at all and in general not happy with the way things have been handled. He said he asked his boss if something could be done and got approved the Galaxy Nexus for me. Now I am waiting on it to arrive. (If you are willing to take a total of an hour and a half and be extra kind and not demand stuff they will work with you. Key is to keep talking till they offer a phone and never say no if they offer a phone you don't want. Just ask if its possible for something else in an indirect way) So I can't wait to start being part of the nexus forum and am very excited to be getting a phone with an unlocked bootloader again. My Incredible was just that. Incredible. I am hoping the nexus will be the same.
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Congratulations, but the "big mistake" is unnecessary and kind of insulting. I've never had any problems with mine unless I was on one of the GB-based ICS ROMs.
Sorry if offended. I have had nothing but trouble from this phone. It has been so unreliable its not funny. Even with the ics leaks I still had issues. It would had been a great experience if it was reliable. I am not the type that likes to offend so I will remove that part. Apologies my friend.
I was just being a baby. Maybe it's just me being jealous. Seriously Congrats on the S3. My brother just got one (I made him pre order to not screw up our family's unlimited plans) and I want to make love to it.
I thought the op got a galaxy nexus not a s3
Too bad you been having problems with your bionic, I haven't have any problems with mines even on the ICS leaks from 2231-235
Hope you enjoy the gnex more than I do bc for me the bionic have a better reception/data connection than the gnex I had
It is a nexus that is on its way indeed. Thanks and I am not too worried about reception as I am stability. The bionic just would not stay connected to data for nothing except on .902 and even with that I had to battery pull about every 2-3 days cause of no data. Even with the ics leaks. 3 bionics and all have had the same problem. It would have been a great phone just if data was a solid connection and an unlocked bootloader. Maybe for those still with the bionic maybe you will get an unlock tool one day. Saw a tweet from Motorola about a week ago saying they were working on one but of course its been said for a year they were going to unlock the bootloaders.
Nexus, my bad. Too many Galaxy devices going on right now! the Galaxy Nexus is a piece of sheer beauty though. Someone came with with the GSM variant on 4.1.1 for me to root, and I was amazed at just how smooth JB is.
I would not ditch a Bionic for a Nexus now.
I ditched the bionic for any dual core 4g phone they would give me. Just so happened to be a nexus.
I just got off my 3rd phone call with VZW.
1st call- Told them some of what I had tried to do to fix the data dropping. (All of which I read about here or elsewhere on the interwebz) Removed battery, adjusted nighttime settings.
Result- New Sim Card, no data drops for 2 days, then they came back with a vengence
2nd call- They asked me to factory reset my phone. I'm a little bit pissed at this point but I tried it. They are the expert in this conversation and I figured refusal to waste my time would result in me wasting more time before anything was actually resolved. Also I didn't want to end up yelling at some poor soul in a call center.
Result- Data drop within 3 hours of resetting the phone.
(less than 10 minutes ago) 3rd call- Samsung Galaxy Nexus is being shipped to me. I was leaning towards the razr but they told me that the razr was having some data problems as well. I'm really sick of this and just want a working 4g smartphone. 4g is the greatest thing before or after sliced bread, I can watch youtube with no buffering at any time. I loved the bionic so very much visible screen in direct sunlight ftw, good build qualify, fits well in my hand, ect. I didn't have to hint or argue with them to get the nexus, I asked what phones were available to me and they said the Nexus and the Razr. I hinted about the S3 and they shot that down without missing a beat, probably knew I was going to ask before I started. Also I'm getting the extended battery because they are out of the regular batteries.
Result- Oh please merciful spaghetti monster let phone work out.
If you're having data trouble call them and follow the steps. I'll see you in the nexus forum, I'll be the one lurking.
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Never ever have I had problem with my Bionic. I would never of traded, no way Jose. With ICS its the best thing out. Strong casing, not that plastic thin stuff. Love my Bionic but if you happy and it is what it is. Good luck with the Nexus. Reading all posts here seems like people feel the same way. In the past I never waited that long for an exchange lol.
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Surlock said:
I just got off my 3rd phone call with VZW.
1st call- Told them some of what I had tried to do to fix the data dropping. (All of which I read about here or elsewhere on the interwebz) Removed battery, adjusted nighttime settings.
Result- New Sim Card, no data drops for 2 days, then they came back with a vengence
2nd call- They asked me to factory reset my phone. I'm a little bit pissed at this point but I tried it. They are the expert in this conversation and I figured refusal to waste my time would result in me wasting more time before anything was actually resolved. Also I didn't want to end up yelling at some poor soul in a call center.
Result- Data drop within 3 hours of resetting the phone.
(less than 10 minutes ago) 3rd call- Samsung Galaxy Nexus is being shipped to me. I was leaning towards the razr but they told me that the razr was having some data problems as well. I'm really sick of this and just want a working 4g smartphone. 4g is the greatest thing before or after sliced bread, I can watch youtube with no buffering at any time. I loved the bionic so very much visible screen in direct sunlight ftw, good build qualify, fits well in my hand, ect. I didn't have to hint or argue with them to get the nexus, I asked what phones were available to me and they said the Nexus and the Razr. I hinted about the S3 and they shot that down without missing a beat, probably knew I was going to ask before I started. Also I'm getting the extended battery because they are out of the regular batteries.
Result- Oh please merciful spaghetti monster let phone work out.
If you're having data trouble call them and follow the steps. I'll see you in the nexus forum, I'll be the one lurking.
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Won't see me there. Never had data drops and since everyone is in 4g there is no 3g traffic so 3g is very smooth. Also the fact that they gave u the fat battery means they will send u the back also which when connected, it will be heavier. But if you're happy thats what counts/
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The reason they're running out of Bionis is because people are re-buying them. G o to Swappa and see that price has not dropped and that the demad is high. The Bionic is back.
Getting a new Bionic and sim card sent to me. Hopefully it works better than this one.
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For those being sent a Nexus, what about your Bionic? Did they want it mailed back to them? Did they say keep it?
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my bionic's headphone jack started going bad about 5 months in, called vzw and they sent me a new phone for free being it was under warranty. I love the bionic, if it's broke, just fix it.
To those who haven't had any trouble with the bionic, I envy you greatly. I think I've given the phone more than a fair shake at this point and it gave me a white 4g signal of doom in return.
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For those being sent a Nexus, what about your Bionic? Did they want it mailed back to them? Did they say keep it?
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They want it back. I'd like to keep it, perhaps one day, when cars fly, moto will fix it and I'd have a valuable backup, or maybe the nexus would be the back up. Or I could use it like a tiny tablet for....something.
The Bionic could have been a great phone if it was not for the LOCKED BOOT LOADER, and the monsterious level of bloatware(I blame Verizon/Motorola, and not android for this issue). My experience with pure google phones has been outstanding(I own a Nexus S 4g), heck most of the modder's/developers on XDA are in essence trying to actually enjoy the greatness of simply pure google. Why else would I install a custom ROM, because most of the custom rom's are faster and bloatware free. I have what cellphone carriers have done to great phones, quite simply they turn them to ****.
My Verizon contract just ran out and I traded my Bionic for an unlocked GSM Galaxy Nexus. I never had any problems with my Bionic and loved it, but the Nexus is a better phone. It's amazing how much faster and smoother it seems, and the build quality is very good. It's not cheap feeling at all. I think the Bionic's flimsy back actually made it feel a little cheaper. I do miss the Bionic's super bright screen outside, though. That thing is just amazingly visible in direct sunlight. The Nexus' screen can't hold a candle to it in that regard, at least.
I am curious to know if anyone here, that has switched from the Bionic to the Nexus, actually used ICS on their Bionic first. When I switched over to ICS from GB on my Bionic, it WAS like having a whole new phone, and responsiveness was amazing. Probably the same experience I would have gotten if I had upgraded from a .905 Bionic to a Nexus.
Well, that was my thought last night, so I called VZW and after about 10 minutes the conversation got to the point where they were offering me a replacement. No yelling or any arguing was required - it was very nice. They offered me any 4G LTE phone except the HTC 1X, Galaxy SIII or new Incredible (for free and no contract extension). They said that the Galaxy Nexus and Razr MAXX were probably the best that were available. After much deliberation, I opted for the Razr MAXX since I think it barely wins out due to the awesome battery life. Plus, ICS is officially released for it, so it's an upgrade from the Bionic any way you look at it. It should arrive in 2-3 days. I have no idea what the development community is like for the MAXX; I was just kind of hoping there was something out there.
Worst case scenario - I don't like it, sell it on eBay and buy a Nexus with the sale money.
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I am curious to know if anyone here, that has switched from the Bionic to the Nexus, actually used ICS on their Bionic first. When I switched over to ICS from GB on my Bionic, it WAS like having a whole new phone, and responsiveness was amazing. Probably the same experience I would have gotten if I had upgraded from a .905 Bionic to a Nexus.
Well, that was my thought last night, so I called VZW and after about 10 minutes the conversation got to the point where they were offering me a replacement. No yelling or any arguing was required - it was very nice. They offered me any 4G LTE phone except the HTC 1X, Galaxy SIII or new Incredible (for free and no contract extension). They said that the Galaxy Nexus and Razr MAXX were probably the best that were available. After much deliberation, I opted for the Razr MAXX since I think it barely wins out due to the awesome battery life. Plus, ICS is officially released for it, so it's an upgrade from the Bionic any way you look at it. It should arrive in 2-3 days. I have no idea what the development community is like for the MAXX; I was just kind of hoping there was something out there.
Worst case scenario - I don't like it, sell it on eBay and buy a Nexus with the sale money.
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I never rooted my bionic and my reading lead me to believe that the dev community hadn't fixed this particular issue with the data. You can buy a 4k battery fro the nexus for $20 so that wasn't a big issue to me. They didn't offer me a maxx just the regular razr.
Yeah, I've seen that 4K battery...Yikes. It could power a boat. The biggest appeal to the Nexus is unlocked bootloader and slim profile. Everything can have ICS these days, with the right hacks, so the "always get the latest updates from Google" tagline never swayed me. I still don't see how it beats the MAXX. I guess I'll find out soon enough if I made the right choice. I never had any complaints about the screen on the Bionic, and the MAXX is supposed to be the same if not a little better. I sit in front of an HD display all day at work to compare it to.
Those with this "awesome" phone known as the LG Revolution. How much longer do you have until your upgrade? Will you be staying on board with LG or go over to a different company? If so, what phone currently has your attention?
My upgrade is on 1/28/13 and seriously can't wait for it. As my first Android phone, this Revolution really did leave a bad impression. I doubt I'll stick with LG once I'm eligible for an upgrade. The GS3 has caught my eye. I'm lucky enough to be able to mess with it from time to time at my job. It's going to be a bit weird since all the years I have been on Verizon, all my phones were LG.
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I am up in February. This is/was not my first android phone but my overall experience with Android has not been the most ideal. I use my phone for 3 basic things, Phone calls, Texting, and Email. Android fails for me at 2 of these. Random black screen of death and a constant error message when it checks my email.
I'm bailing on Android and going to give WP8 a shot.
Well hopefully that works out for you. I'm fine with Android really. It does want I want it to. It's just I don't have the proper device lol. I might have suffered more if I didn't have Broken Out 2.0.1 on this phone. LG's UI is simply horrendous.
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I warrantied out of my Revo about 6 months ago into a Bionic. Have yet to have an issue with it. I'll never go LG again ... even If the rumors are true about them making a Nexus device.
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My first phone was an HTC Eris and it was a great little phone. The stock android sucked, the ROMS were great, email worked but other issues existed, LG phone, while my hardware is generally stable, Android will randomly go into a black screen of death usually during a phone call making so I have to pull the battery to end the call. My phone is rooted stock, running an alternative home. I tried BO, it and my phone did not agree, it was always unstable for me, happens no biggie. I am older now and much less patient then I was a few years ago. I expect it to work, the error message when checking my corporate email annoys me. It has almost no documentation on the web for the error and no one has found a fix, Invalid userID or PWD but then if you hit refresh it successfully checks and downloads the email. I think WP8 will suit me fine, if I don't like it, I will change back... nothing ventured nothing gained.
Yeah I hate that random black screen I get sometimes during a call (I thought that was only me lol). Not sure how I would feel going to Motorola though to be honest, but it's most likely better than what LG has been doing. Well WP8 certainly is something different, I've seen less than a handful of people use Windows Phone.
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I have another full year on this thing. =/ I'm looking at selling the phone online and getting a different one, though. It's soured me on LG products, generally. Using LG's support network was horrible, and the phone itself is just too quirky.
well, I'm here for the long haul. Just upgraded in Dec, so i got a while. Hopefully PG can fix the pink screen issue in cm9. iirc, other than that its good to go. Can't wait.
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I warrantied out of my Revo about 6 months ago into a Bionic. Have yet to have an issue with it. I'll never go LG again ... even If the rumors are true about them making a Nexus device.
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How do you warranty out of this piece of garbage? I've had mine since December and have already had to have it replaced twice for the same issue...and it's starting with the same symptoms again. (It'll start slowing down and acting goofy, not receiving texts, then it'll stop booting)
If I can't get out of it, I'm stuck with it until August before VZW will let me upgrade on contract although I'm eyeballing Craigslist for anything that's better...
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How do you warranty out of this piece of garbage? I've had mine since December and have already had to have it replaced twice for the same issue...and it's starting with the same symptoms again. (It'll start slowing down and acting goofy, not receiving texts, then it'll stop booting)
If I can't get out of it, I'm stuck with it until August before VZW will let me upgrade on contract although I'm eyeballing Craigslist for anything that's better...
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Just tell them it does it in safe mode and you want to try something else. As long as the phone is still under warranty, all you have to pay for is a new battery and battery door. Some have been able to push the issue and get into a galaxy nexus or RAZR. Usually they offer a tbolt, charge, or bionic.
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Just tell them it does it in safe mode and you want to try something else. As long as the phone is still under warranty, all you have to pay for is a new battery and battery door. Some have been able to push the issue and get into a galaxy nexus or RAZR. Usually they offer a tbolt, charge, or bionic.
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That someone was me... I warranty swapped out to a Galaxy Nexus and it cost 53 bucks for the extended battery and door. So psyched!
Good enough for now
I have two of them and they work fine for me. I'm holding off to see what new models are coming (Galaxy S4 etc), and I am going to have to buy my new phones un-subsidized because I don't intend to lose my unlimited data. I use tablets for the fun stuff and the Revolution for calls. The Revolution phones my wife and I have are working fine and rooted. The only problems I have had is that both of our batteries failed at the same time (bad batch I think). I jut bought cheap OEMs off of eBay and moved on.
I escaped from the nightmare this past week.
After three replacements, I was able to get a RAZR.
My trick was that I called up and told them I wouldn't accept another Revolution.
I insisted that I wanted to lateral into something else, or I would demand that my early termination fees be waived.
The gentleman asked what I wanted, and I said a RAZR if it's possible.
"Not a problem!"
and the rest went from there.
2/13/13 for me. Not too long, really. My main concern is keeping my unlimited data whole keeping the other two on the family plan happy. Not sure if that's going to be possible . . . Thinking about Samsung. Nexus is compelling.
Anyone here likely to spring for the upcoming LG Nexus device rumored. I'm betting not!
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I'm done with LG. Unless they release a phone with an unlocked bootloader and stock Android. Which is impossible. Samsung seems to be the company to go with atm.
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I'm done with LG. Unless they release a phone with an unlocked bootloader and stock Android. Which is impossible. Samsung seems to be the company to go with atm.
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They are doing the next nexus, so that should have an unlocked bootloader and stock Android... Unless I misunderstand what all that means.
And it won't matter who makes it. People will develop for a Nexus. It is supposed to be based on the Optimus G, which sounds like a winner, except possibly for battery life.
Be warned that when you upgrade, if you currently have unlimited data, you will lose it if you take the subsidized price with a new contract. If you pay full price and don't sign a new contract, you get to keep unlimited data. If you go that route, there's really no reason waiting on getting a new device because it will cost the same either way .
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I wish I was still under warranty. I have the insurance but don't want to pay for the replacement since my REVO went into the river for a few seconds. Works great still. Hate the fact that I bought many accessories for a phone I want to switch out now lol. Buying the Nexus for the wife. Will see if she wants to switch lol
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I'm well aware that I will lose my unlimited data. I like Android, it's just that this phone from LG has really been a subpar experience for me as my first smartphone. If I have to lose my unlimited data to have a good android device, so be it. Gotta love how Verizon thinks.
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