Related
I purchased a jailbroken AT&T Tilt 2 online but Im using T Mobile service and I was told that I wouldn't be able to access the T Mobile 3g Network with this device. Could someone verify that this true or if not can someone give me some tips on how to set it up on my device.
Its true, because I have a Tilt 2 unlocked to T-Mobile as well. Is there a way to get 3G speeds, I don't know. But honestly, I've never really noticed a difference. But then again, I do stay away from data heavy sites like Youtube and whatnot.
Hmm, interesting question. The main issue is whether the phone has the right bands to connect to the 3G network in question. Its a hardware issue, and either the phone has the right bands built into the chipset or it doesn't. There is no way to change this with software or by changing settings.
T-Mob uses 1700 and 2100 MHz bands, where ATT uses 850 and 1900 MHz bands. HOWEVER, the ATT branded Tilt 2 also has the 2100 MHz band for international use. If your T-Mob service area is on the 2100 MHz bands, its possible (if you area is on 1700 MHz, its not going to work no matter what). In theory, it SHOULD work. I've made many trips to Japan, which uses 2100 MHZ for both voice and data, and my Tilt 2 (and old Tilt before it) has always worked flawlessly on their networks.
But whether it really works or not, I have no idea. Searching around the net yields some posts on other forums asking the same exact question, with conflicting answers (perhaps somebody on here can enlighten?). My gut says, its either its going to work or its not, it shouldn't take any additional setup. Have you tried it yet?
But in short, it was a mistake to buy the ATT branded version. You should have bought the T-Mob branded Touch Pro 2.
Oh, and wrong subforum, BTW. This has nothing to do with ROM development. This should be in the Touch Pro 2, Tilt 2 General forum. But don't cross post there, the mods will probably move this thread over there for you.
redpoint73 said:
...snip...
T-Mob uses 1700 and 2100 MHz bands, where ATT uses 850 and 1900 MHz bands. HOWEVER, the ATT branded Tilt 2 also has the 2100 MHz band for international use. If your T-Mob service area is on the 2100 MHz bands, its possible (if you area is on 1700 MHz, its not going to work no matter what). In theory, it SHOULD work. I've made many trips to Japan, which uses 2100 MHZ for both voice and data, and my Tilt 2 (and old Tilt before it) has always worked flawlessly on their networks.
...snip...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The 2100 MHz band you're referring to is different on both companies' devices. For T-Mobile, 2100MHz is the upload frequency. The worldphone AT&T 2100MHz band is a download frequency. 3G requires 2 frequencies to operate in that manner.
The 2100MHz frequency is accompanied by the 1900MHz frequency for uploads. The AT&T Tilt2 has this frequency set to allow both.
As for Japan, I didn't know they were on the 2100MHz band. I've only every seen a couple of companies on 850, 1500, or 1700 MHz. Where were you that you used 2100MHz or which company? I just like to keep up on where the bands are useful when I make trips to Asia.
Ahh, that's right, I think I did read somewhere, that the 1700/2100 MHz bands are used by T-Mob as download/upload. Not like ATT, where which of the 850,1900 MHz band is used for 3G depends on the geographic location/market.
That means the OP is SOL on getting 3G on the Tilt2, right? He would need BOTH the 1700 and 2100 MHz bands on his phone?
Japan uses 2100 MHz exclusively, standardized nationwide, as far as I know. Same with South Korea (although ATT lists that one carrier in S. Korea also uses CDMA 1800, not sure what the deal with that is).
If the 2100 MHz band on the ATT Tilt 2 is just for download, wouldn't this mean that my phone would not be able to connect to the data network in Japan?
redpoint73 said:
Ahh, that's right, I think I did read somewhere, that the 1700/2100 MHz bands are used by T-Mob as download/upload. Not like ATT, where which of the 850,1900 MHz band is used for 3G depends on the geographic location/market.
That means the OP is SOL on getting 3G on the Tilt2, right? He would need BOTH the 1700 and 2100 MHz bands on his phone?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Exactly right. It's a hardware problem, not software as some people think. I seem to answer this question at least once a week here. lol The radio chip is different for each model of the Rhodium. That's one of the differences between the several versions.
Japan uses 2100 MHz exclusively, standardized nationwide, as far as I know. Same with South Korea (although ATT lists that one carrier in S. Korea also uses CDMA 1800, not sure what the deal with that is).
If the 2100 MHz band on the ATT Tilt 2 is just for download, wouldn't this mean that my phone would not be able to connect to the data network in Japan?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It depends on what the network is set up as. 3G worldwide requires two bands to operate because of the bandwidth. GPRS and EDGE only require one. If this 2100 MHz frequency is one of the later, then it will work just fine. If this is a 3G band, then it is VERY likely to be paired with the 1900MHz frequency range. That's on GSM, anyway. I'm not 100% sure what CDMA frequencies are their.
Yo folks. I am finally flying back to Toronto tomorrow after having been here in Italy for the past 4 years, and I am so pumped up ...
Anyways, I have got an Italian Samsung Galaxy S i9000 with 1900/2100 UMTS bands and the current baseband firmware is I9000XXJVU.
I was wondering if by flashing a Canadian baseband version my SGS perhaps would might give me 3G with Telus or Fido in Canada.
Is that something that could be done via sw or is rather something hardware involved??
Thanks
Do not flash a canadian baseband. There is no way to enable the 850 MHz band in your hardware.
However, in Toronto you will be able to get by by using only the 1900 MHz band. 850 MHz is mostly usefull for rural areas and/or basements.
So to answer your question, yes, it will work.
With Rogers/Fido, you will fall back to EDGE if you are out of the 1900 MHz UMTS coverage.
With Telus/Bell you fill loose signal if you are out of the 1900 MHz UMTS coverage.
zorxd said:
Do not flash a canadian baseband. There is no way to enable the 850 MHz band in your hardware.
However, in Toronto you will be able to get by by using only the 1900 MHz band. 850 MHz is mostly usefull for rural areas and/or basements.
So to answer your question, yes, it will work.
With Rogers/Fido, you will fall back to EDGE if you are out of the 1900 MHz UMTS coverage.
With Telus/Bell you fill loose signal if you are out of the 1900 MHz UMTS coverage.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Cool mate.. didn't know some Canadians mobile ISP uses 1900mhz band for 3G.. I am going to get a find number today ..
Thanks
All the different modifications we can do to our phones is amazing, but is there a way to change the MHz or whatever it is that wont let me get 3G to run on the phone?
I've unlocked my phone to use it on T-Mobile. I'm starting to be annoyed when I need to check something online without wi-fi and it takes
forever.
AT&T - GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
UMTS: 850, 1900, 2100 MHz
Data: HSDPA 7.2 Mbit/s, UMTS, EDGE
T-Mobile - GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
UMTS: 850, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz
Data: HSDPA+ (4G) 42.2 Mbit/s, HSUPA 5.76 Mbit/s, UMTS, EDGE, GPRS
Captivate on t mobile will only get the Edge network because of t mobile frequencies.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I777 using xda premium
4-2ndtwin said:
Captivate on t mobile will only get the Edge network because of t mobile frequencies.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I777 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That I understand, but I'm wondering if there is a way to change the frequencies.
We can overclock and under volt our devices, so why not adjust the frequencies as well.
Unless that is a hardware thing.
whipps said:
That I understand, but I'm wondering if there is a way to change the frequencies.
We can overclock and under volt our devices, so why not adjust the frequencies as well.
Unless that is a hardware thing.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That is the frequency receiver capability.. It isn't hardware... It is like trying to receive fm stations on an am only radio, is that analogy makes any sense
Edit: i meant to say it is hardware not isn't
Sent from my SGH-I897 using xda premium
leezrd said:
That is the frequency receiver capability.. It isn't hardware... It is like trying to receive fm stations on an am only radio, is that analogy makes any sense
Sent from my SGH-I897 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yea. That sucks, but I understand better.
Sometimes I hate the phone companies!! Greedy b*$%^ds
whipps said:
Yea. That sucks, but I understand better.
Sometimes I hate the phone companies!! Greedy b*$%^ds
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's more of a conforming to a hardware standard deal, not so much a greed deal...
Plus, consider this; if all of t-mobile's subscribers were on the same frequency as all of at&t´s, there would need to be a massive increase in the necessary bandwidth to handle the load. That mhz split keeps speeds up and dropped calls down.
Just my thoughts, though.
Greetings Forum,
I've been scouring the forum for several days now, but I can't really seem to find the things I'm looking for.
Several threads display issues with the frequency bands not being compatible between US & EU standards, but this should only matter if one plans to use LTE (which I don't really care about. I'd happily trade that in for the 32GB extra storage and Developer goodies).
There are quite a few threads that make me worry about getting this phone, but one of the threads that scares me most is the following:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2386850
But all in all, I'm just wondering. I really can't be the only one wanting to buy a Developer Edition whilst living in Europe, can I ?
There must be loads of people who have already gone where I plan on going, and may or may not still be using it over here.
I'm not looking for a review about the phone, I know the specs etc... but I am -very- interested in knowing wether the Developer Edition can be adequately used inside the EU.
I know it's not meant to be used over here, since they only ship to US addresses, but that doesn't mean we can't get our hands on one.
Initially I was planning on keeping it stock & unrooted, but I'm willing to try and change the phone when and if possible.
But before I do, can someone who's using the HTC One Developer Edition outside the US (I'll post my cellular frequencies below) can use it without too much hassle ?
Or does it really have very nasty thorns and pitfalls around every corner ?
If I get me one for use in these frequencies, will I be able to use the GSM & 3G (HSPA) networks together, like it should work ?
I don't want to be forced to switch between 2G & 3G every time I want to make a phone call or use the data connection. That would be a real pain and probably force me to buy a casual 32GB EU model (to my great disappointment).
I'm currently using a HTC Sensation XE (EU model) and I would very much like to buy an UPgrade . My current phone switches between all manner of data connections as I traverse various transmitters while driving, but I never loose access to the phone functionalities of the, well, phone!
I may have a slight misconception there as well though, since I'm not sure if you HAVE to have access to the GSM/GPRS/EDGE network in order to make phone calls.
Or can you call just as easily when all you have is HSPA ?
I always figured your phone would always use the standard 2G network to make phone calls, since the frequency band is lower (= longer wave length = more coverage), the amount of data transferred minimal, so the overall connection should be better.
But I could be wrong, never quite did delve deep enough into that subject...
Anyways... back to the main topic!
My local (Belgium) frequencies as shown by Wikipediaare as follows:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 900 / 1800 MHz
3G/HSPA: 2100 MHz
LTE: Not available from my provider (1 of them does, but I despise extortionists ).
Sorry for the rant. I do hope some of us non-US people could shed some insight about this phone and it's workings in their location.
I thank you all in advance!
Kind regards,
Ghost.
Additional questions
Hmmm I also have 2 more in-depth questions:
1. 3G Phone calls ?
Can you make phone calls using the 3G network ?
I presume it's possible, but that the phone automatically switches to the lower band frequencies of the std GSM network for better network coverage ?
It would also require less power from the battery since the phone's transceiver output would be less, no ?
2. OTA Updates available ?
Would I have to change my CID in order to acquire OTA updates ?
I keep reading about people having to do this while switching between AT&T & Some other carrier, but since the Dev Edition is SIM unlocked, and I would just use "ye random carrier", would I have to do this as well to receive the OTA updates, or am I completely wrong about this?
Once again, thanks to the entire XDA pantheon and it's loyal knowledgeable followers !
Ghost.
Frequency band
Hello Gents!
Maybe you guys might be able to help me. I recently bought HTC One Dev Edition from the US. My question is very simple I live here in china
and i was not sure if the band frequency would let me use 3G here in china. is it possible and would it also work on UMTS 3G? If it does how do i change it to that band? I would appreciate ur help.
here is my phones Frequencies
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz (US)
Should work...
Wosebasa said:
Hello Gents!
Maybe you guys might be able to help me. I recently bought HTC One Dev Edition from the US. My question is very simple I live here in china
and i was not sure if the band frequency would let me use 3G here in china. is it possible and would it also work on UMTS 3G? If it does how do i change it to that band? I would appreciate ur help.
here is my phones Frequencies
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz (US)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hello,
China uses the following frequencies (as per wiki - see OP):
Country GSM 3G
China 900 2100
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
GSM: 900 MHz
3G: 2100 MHz
So since the phone has both bands available, it "should" pose no problem.
Unfortunately, that would place you inside my own problem-zone and questions, if you wish to know if it'll work as it should.
The bands are there, but perhaps there are other things going on that I don't know about.
Kind regards,
Ghost.
EU Devs ?
Soooo no EU Dev Editions running around then ?
Pitty...
I cant find any way to get 3g, i only get GSM, which sucks. these are the frequencies in my country for 3g 850 900 2100
any chance i can get it?
thanks in mind for helpers
maorsapir said:
I cant find any way to get 3g, i only get GSM, which sucks. these are the frequencies in my country for 3g 850 900 2100
any chance i can get it?
thanks in mind for helpers
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The Sprint model can connect to the following frequencies (link):
2G/2.5G - GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G - UMTS/ HSPA: 1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 14.4 Mbps
3G - CDMA: 800/1900 MHz for Sprint
4G - LTE: Sprint: 1900 MHz
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm assuming that when you say "3G," you're referring to HSPA and when you say "GSM," you mean 2G/EDGE. This means that the Sprint model can only connect to the 2100 MHz frequency in your country for 3G. I don't know how it works in your country, but in the US, some carriers only transmit on certain frequencies in some markets (areas). It may be that your carrier is not transmitting 2100 MHz in your area.
For example, in the US, T-Mobile transmits 3G on 1900 and 1700/2100 MHz. However, it doesn't do this everywhere in the country. In some areas, it will transmit 3G on all of those frequencies, but in other areas, it might only transmit on 1900 MHz because it doesn't have the license to transmit on 1700/2100 MHz in that specific area.
Basically, you need to find out if your carrier is actually transmitting 3G on 2100 MHz in your area. What country are you in and what carrier are you using, just out of curiosity?
subhumanderelict said:
The Sprint model can connect to the following frequencies
I'm assuming that when you say "3G," you're referring to HSPA and when you say "GSM," you mean 2G/EDGE. This means that the Sprint model can only connect to the 2100 MHz frequency in your country for 3G. I don't know how it works in your country, but in the US, some carriers only transmit on certain frequencies in some markets (areas). It may be that your carrier is not transmitting 2100 MHz in your area.
For example, in the US, T-Mobile transmits 3G on 1900 and 1700/2100 MHz. However, it doesn't do this everywhere in the country. In some areas, it will transmit 3G on all of those frequencies, but in other areas, it might only transmit on 1900 MHz because it doesn't have the license to transmit on 1700/2100 MHz in that specific area.
Basically, you need to find out if your carrier is actually transmitting 3G on 2100 MHz in your area. What country are you in and what carrier are you using, just out of curiosity?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
thank you for ur response, and no i figured out what the frequencies are in my country, and they are listed above,
but either way i live in israel and my carrier is youphone which works on orange network.
maorsapir said:
I cant find any way to get 3g, i only get GSM, which sucks. these are the frequencies in my country for 3g 850 900 2100
any chance i can get it?
thanks in mind for helpers
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I thought it was only indicator man. Mine even show Gsm icon but I got Hsdpa speed here in my country speed download about 800KB/s to 950KB/s
Sent from my HTCONE using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
monyozt said:
I thought it was only indicator man. Mine even show Gsm icon but I got Hsdpa speed here in my country speed download about 800KB/s to 950KB/s
Sent from my HTCONE using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
thats odd, ive seen youtube videos with sprint htc one showing the H and 3G Icon
maorsapir said:
thats odd, ive seen youtube videos with sprint htc one showing the H and 3G Icon
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
if yiu use GSM sim, indicator show GSM.. maybe on youtube use another cdma carriers. mine if use gsm sim show GSM, when use CDMA show 3G