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[Q] Even lighter rom for X8?

Hey guys i just wanna know if a custom rom for our X8 can go lighter than 80Mbs..
Example.. Froyobread is around 91Mbs.. GingerDX also.. but X10i roms can go til 72Mbs.. i just wanna know if its possible with our X8

I think it's possible but no one has built one yet..

I had 111mb free ram with stable 2.2 rom by lizypen
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I am just curious.. why there are so many asking for ROMS with more free RAM? Why do you want to have always lots of free RAM?
You should be worried about how to better use your RAM than be worried about not using it.
It is really strange but I never saw something like this when people are always askin for more free RAM just to never use it.

Nothing beats Stock Rom .. however one can use task killers app to free up some ram though..

We need free ram for smoothness, anyway,i can.t. ask for more,the newer version of rom,the less ram we will have.
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dotsen9 said:
We need free ram for smoothness, anyway,i can.t. ask for more,the newer version of rom,the less ram we will have.
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That is not necessary true. Less free RAM not always implies slugginesh. android is based on Linux, and Linux have a RAM administration model wich tries to always use the free RAM. Per example if you load all your aplications ans system and you have 100MB RAM free then android will try to use that memory for fetching app data, increase storage cache, etc. All this to do a smart usage of the available resources... think a little, why do you want to have extra RAM just to leave it unused?
If an application needs more RAM then android will free the necessary ammount of RAM, unloading fetch and cache data and preloaded apps.

Well it's true,but why devs has created supercharger script or let's take the juwe's script.This got to be a reason for that.
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er guys.. i'm asking about the size of the ROM itself.. there's nothing about RAM here...

Well, it's easy to make a smaller ROM. Most ROMs nowadays include several extra apps (Google Apps, Keyboard, Calculator, etc...) for many user.
Just delete all Google Apps (Maps, street view, ...) and other unused apps, you will have a lighter one.

i've deleted many unused apps from the rom.. i managed to lower it to 85mbs.. x8 doesn't have much in terms of internal mem.. but i gues thats what app2sd is for.. is it recommended to store my apps in sd card instead?

Yes,i do that too.
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I got 67mb with the miniCM7 after delete a load of stuff ill never use
super.sense on x8

Is it possible to get my memory usage even lower?

Currently using stock gb 2.3.6 and I just changed my wallpaper to static and deleted most of my running apps only to see my usage of ram is 400/800, any chance I can lower it even further without doing any flashing to the from...
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krhn said:
Currently using stock gb 2.3.6 and I just changed my wallpaper to static and deleted most of my running apps only to see my usage of ram is 400/800, any chance I can lower it even further without doing any flashing to the from...
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why? why would you need over 400mb of free ram doing nothing
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Just kill it with samsung stock task manager
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zacthespack said:
why? why would you need over 400mb of free ram doing nothing
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Maybe because sometimes I run multiple tasks and next thing you notice is my usage is clocked up to 799/800 and lag is visible!
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krhn said:
Maybe because sometimes I run multiple tasks and next thing you notice is my usage is clocked up to 799/800 and lag is visible!
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must be doing alot tp hit the top mark. Anyway tp answer your question nope abojt 400 is as low as you will get the os uses the rest.
If you want to save more you will have to use a lighter rom
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must be doing alot tp hit the top mark. Anyway tp answer your question nope abojt 400 is as low as you will get the os uses the rest.
If you want to save more you will have to use a lighter rom
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Either you are drunk or your keyboard has been cheating on you
+1 on the lighter ROM OR
At OP: there is an app called system tuner, where you could decide which applications should start, using that you could have a restricted start up and "might" be able to reduce memory usage.

anilisanil said:
Either you are drunk or your keyboard has been cheating on you
+1 on the lighter ROM OR
At OP: there is an app called system tuner, where you could decide which applications should start, using that you could have a restricted start up and "might" be able to reduce memory usage.
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just got up and yes I think the keyboard has been cheating on me sorry about the crazzy typos but I think you get the idea xD

zacthespack said:
just got up and yes I think the keyboard has been cheating on me sorry about the crazzy typos but I think you get the idea xD
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hey, I was just kidding mate. All for laughs

zacthespack said:
must be doing alot tp hit the top mark. Anyway tp answer your question nope abojt 400 is as low as you will get the os uses the rest.
If you want to save more you will have to use a lighter rom
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Kk cheers anyway.
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for me free ram is wasted ram

How to have more free ram ??

Which kernel should i choose ??
i use DjangoManouche 1.5 now
i have a total of 330mb ram only
any good idea i can do

I believe you have 330 mb because the rest up to 512 mb is reserved for system apps. So you can use root explorer and go to /system/app and remove some system apps you don't use and reboot the phone. Just be careful not to touch stuff that is required for the phone to boot. And no, I don't know exactly which these apps are. But here is a tip: I always remove gallery, news and weather, all google apps, music player, stock email, navigation software if there is any, live wallpappers, file explorer (not before getting another though) and everything that's about visualization in general. These things are safe to remove.
And btw the amount of free ram is pretty much irrelevant to the phone's work because the kernel tries to utilize as much ram as possible and then it gives it away to ram requiring apps for the moment. I am just trying to say that you need not worry about free ram if the phone is working correctly. And if it's not it is most likely not because of used ram but some app is not behaving as it should and is using the CPU too much.

You should consider using a kernel that has OTF settings or a RAMhack. I recommend Etana but for some reason I love Temasek's Kernel. They both have the RAMhack option. It basically takes some of the RAM that is reserved for your GPU and makes it available for your device so you'll have more RAM for running applications etc. You shouldn't set the RAMhack too high though, 32mb/48mb should be fine. Additionally you could freeze some system apps that you don't need and use an autostart-manager in association with a task killer to kill applications and not allow them to restart themselves.
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xExabyte said:
You should consider using a kernel that has OTF settings or a RAMhack. I recommend Etana but for some reason I love Temasek's Kernel. They both have the RAMhack option. It basically takes some of the RAM that is reserved for your GPU and makes it available for your device so you'll have more RAM for running applications etc. You shouldn't set the RAMhack too high though, 32mb/48mb should be fine. Additionally you could freeze some system apps that you don't need and use an autostart-manager in association with a task killer to kill applications and not allow them to restart themselves.
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thank,
but Temasek and Etana's kernel can use in 20s?

complete123 said:
thank,
but Temasek and Etana's kernel can use in 20s?
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No.
And I heard that ramhack cannot be used with stock rom.
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googgiggs said:
No.
And I heard that ramhack cannot be used with stock rom.
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if some1 comes up with ram hack for stock based kernels ill be back to stock right away...

Gueste OC 1.8.1 stock kernel is awesome. Activate z ram in it and u will have really fast phone .
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heavencanwait said:
I believe you have 330 mb because the rest up to 512 mb is reserved for system apps. So you can use root explorer and go to /system/app and remove some system apps you don't use and reboot the phone. Just be careful not to touch stuff that is required for the phone to boot. And no, I don't know exactly which these apps are. But here is a tip: I always remove gallery, news and weather, all google apps, music player, stock email, navigation software if there is any, live wallpappers, file explorer (not before getting another though) and everything that's about visualization in general. These things are safe to remove.
And btw the amount of free ram is pretty much irrelevant to the phone's work because the kernel tries to utilize as much ram as possible and then it gives it away to ram requiring apps for the moment. I am just trying to say that you need not worry about free ram if the phone is working correctly. And if it's not it is most likely not because of used ram but some app is not behaving as it should and is using the CPU too much.
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What did I just read?
Don't do what was posted, you'll most likely break everything.
System apps uses system storage not ram. Deleting those apps will not give you more ram. But more system storage maybe.
Ram is used to save the current state of opened applications. Though the reason you only have 330mb left, is cause the gpu uses it as shared memory.
A ram hack is an option, as it reduces the amount of ram that goes to the gpu. But the use of a ram hack over 48mbs will break lots of things, such as recorder, camera and instability in games.
In all honesty, there is no use for a ram hack 330mb of ram is enough.
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If you use DjangoManouche you have ram profiles, another option are to use swap, the benefits, i'm not sure there are
Like a previous post said.....android are coded to use all ram except the amount needed for system to run smooth, apps you open will then be stored in ram which are the fastest "sd card lol". Next time you open its from ram. If you use many apps its useful with much ram. After reboot you start all over again. If there's a memory leak you can get issues like lagging Best solution are to choose a profile with much ram for apps and not much more than nessesary for system
Our device gets better each day thanks to our amazing devs

Use guestekrnl 1.8.1 and enable ZRam, works a charm. See my recent post in the flix123 v20s thread as well.

What are you planning to do with the free ram?

Sell it on Ebay! :good:

tonyp said:
Sell it on Ebay! :good:
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I was going to buy a new phone with it ):
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KoolSavas95 said:
I only have 70Mb free Ram. Using stock. Any suggestions?
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Get rid of stock, lol.
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Dear god, when will people learn that free RAM is wasted RAM?

Hard to get rid of Windows habbit lol
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To have more free RAM means it has to take some from the normally non accessible system dedicated RAM. This way your device has less RAM for things like graphics which can worsen video playback and record performance.
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The opinion free ram is wasted ram is wrong. you should realize it from daily use. its because when you have for example 70MB free and you open browser with some tabs, some game, etc. it closes other apps you dont want or it closes some of the tabs in browser and you have to load them every time you switch them. you need enough free ram to open what you want without system automatic closing other and under 100MB really isnt enough

Subhannn said:
Task manager
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Hell no!
tomsi91 said:
The opinion free ram is wasted ram is wrong. you should realize it from daily use. its because when you have for example 70MB free and you open browser with some tabs, some game, etc. it closes other apps you dont want or it closes some of the tabs in browser and you have to load them every time you switch them. you need enough free ram to open what you want without system automatic closing other and under 100MB really isnt enough
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Hell no!
This doesn't make sense. The system will get you the ram you need whenever you need it.
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Increase RAM in ICS/JB stock

I wish to increase usable ram on AT&T or MR stock.., is it possible? if possible, how?

Um it's not a Computer. You can't just add ram lol.
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deeje00 said:
Um it's not a Computer. You can't just add ram lol.
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Read the post clearly brother... I asked about usable ram.... please don't post answers for the sake of posting
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Soory man just got off of a 17 hour shift and I'm kind of out of it. Maybe I'll think clearer when I wake up in 5 hours lol.
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I know it can done for some devices, and it will be a kernel tweak. But i dont think they will make a significant difference...anyhow, there is none that i know of for ahd..

Disable unused system programs in setting>apps, and remove programs/bloat you never use with root explorer in /system/app.

souljaboy said:
Disable unused system programs in setting>apps, and remove programs/bloat you never use with root explorer in /system/app.
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It can clear used ram a little... but I need to know how to increase it... like 808mb in cm and other custom ROMs...
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Aingaran said:
It can clear used ram a little... but I need to know how to increase it... like 808mb in cm and other custom ROMs...
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It not clearing ram, the change is permanent until you use RSDlite. The effect is the same as if you'd do some kernel tweak.

I have 823MB total on MR

Mister_Simon said:
I have 823MB total on MR
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How did you get that?
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Aingaran said:
How did you get that?
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I'd assume removing bloat and aggressive OOM levels....v6 supercharger, how does that work again?

Mister_Simon said:
I have 823MB total on MR
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822 on 4.0 stock.

Aingaran said:
How did you get that?
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I dont know?
thats total not free ram obv

Understanding RAM
I apologize for resurrecting an older thread, but I'm having difficulties wrapping my head around the limitations of available RAM. It seems sadly lacking that the newest devices still have a ~800mb RAM limit, with a good 2/3 being used up by system processes.
In trying to understand the root issue, I guess my first question is why. Why is so little memory dedicated to running apps? Is this similar to the old 640K limitation under DOS? Why can't more memory be allocated to RAM for increased performance when running apps? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but It is my understanding that RAM and Storage (ROM) are physically the same thing, but separated by artificial "partitions" to isolate RAM from Internal Storage. If my understanding of this is correct, why can't one sacrifice Internal storage space to increase the System RAM size to, hypothetically 2gb, leaving roughly 1.3gb free for running apps so task killers or memory "babysitting" is not an issue. Wouldn't this be better and more efficient than just having a mere 300mb available for running apps?
I would appreciate it if somebody could explain and/or correct my understanding of Android memory utilization, and why System RAM seems to be such an issue.

Ram usage

Why is my phone using too much ram? (pls see attachment) im using existenz rom v1.1.5. I dont know but its always like that, sometimes free ram gets so low it reaches 180mb. Please help. Thanks
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papawil01 said:
Why is my phone using too much ram? (pls see attachment) im using existenz rom v1.1.5. I dont know but its always like that, sometimes free ram gets so low it reaches 180mb. Please help. Thanks
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make sure u on the nut hotfix..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2483034

I had that problem tooo... On stock rom i had 400+- free, on existenz was always 200 and lower... Now i on miui amd had 400+-, so i think thats existenz rom problem...
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It is not bad that the RAM is in use. RAM stands for Random Access Memory and can and will be used for the system and used apps. eXistenZe is pretty bloatware free but you can remove extra apps when you want to (see link above).
RAM management of Sony is pretty agressive so you have to play a bit to see what works for you

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It is not bad that the RAM is in use. RAM stands for Random Access Memory and can and will be used for the system and used apps. eXistenZe is pretty bloatware free but you can remove extra apps when you want to (see link above).
RAM management of Sony is pretty agressive so you have to play a bit to see what works for you
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sometimes i feel like ram isnt enough especially when playing games. when i exit the game, icons begin to reload which is an indication of low ram i think?

You could try to clear some RAM with apps like Fast Reboot or any Taskmanager. However constantly clearing RAM is not good and will Cache data.. If you want to play a Game reboot your device. All the apps are closed and only the system and start-with-boot apps are started. This results in a minimum RAM usage

papawil01 said:
sometimes i feel like ram isnt enough especially when playing games. when i exit the game, icons begin to reload which is an indication of low ram i think?
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The reload is not always indications of low ram, but its just reload the launcher, in many roms launcher is locked on the ram, so when you exit its dont have a reload time.
its doesn't matter if you have less free ram in your device, if you still feel good and smooth when used it.
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imanesaurus said:
The reload is not always indications of low ram, but its just reload the launcher, in many roms launcher is locked on the ram, so when you exit its dont have a reload time.
its doesn't matter if you have less free ram in your device, if you still feel good and smooth when used it.
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Thanks. I thought the reload was due ro low ram, since they are reloading from the storage.
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papawil01 said:
Why is my phone using too much ram? (pls see attachment) im using existenz rom v1.1.5. I dont know but its always like that, sometimes free ram gets so low it reaches 180mb. Please help. Thanks
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try not to use the FB app. It really is a RAM eater.

It's better to have less free RAM in Linux.
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Ai<3GG said:
try not to use the FB app. It really is a RAM eater.
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yeah and i cant greenify it

papawil01 said:
yeah and i cant greenify it
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delete fb in system then download from store... or use romtool box make it as user app... or use the donate ver

danielhariri said:
delete fb in system then download from store... or use romtool box make it as user app... or use the donate ver
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why did i not think of this..

danielhariri said:
delete fb in system then download from store... or use romtool box make it as user app... or use the donate ver
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Dude, I tried your suggestion. However, Facebook just disappears from the greenify app. Y is that?
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papawil01 said:
why did i not think of this..
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If you have titanium backup, you can also try the hard way which is creating a widget for disabling/enabling/launching Facebook application. So when you click the widget it unfreezes the app and launch it. When you are finish you click on the widget again and it will this time disable the app totally from your system. It takes like 1 more second to launch the app but if you don't use it a lot it's worth it !
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papawil01 said:
Dude, I tried your suggestion. However, Facebook just disappears from the greenify app. Y is that?
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Did u see the magnifier icon upperleft? Press it than click fb apps... then notification of greenify should pop up
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Did u see the magnifier icon upperleft? Press it than click fb apps... then notification of greenify should pop up
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Yes im doing this but after some time Facebook disappears from the list of hibernated apps.
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Yes im doing this but after some time Facebook disappears from the list of hibernated apps.
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eh? never had that... greenify app got probs~~ i think