Increase RAM in ICS/JB stock - Motorola Atrix HD

I wish to increase usable ram on AT&T or MR stock.., is it possible? if possible, how?

Um it's not a Computer. You can't just add ram lol.
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deeje00 said:
Um it's not a Computer. You can't just add ram lol.
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Read the post clearly brother... I asked about usable ram.... please don't post answers for the sake of posting
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Soory man just got off of a 17 hour shift and I'm kind of out of it. Maybe I'll think clearer when I wake up in 5 hours lol.
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I know it can done for some devices, and it will be a kernel tweak. But i dont think they will make a significant difference...anyhow, there is none that i know of for ahd..

Disable unused system programs in setting>apps, and remove programs/bloat you never use with root explorer in /system/app.

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Disable unused system programs in setting>apps, and remove programs/bloat you never use with root explorer in /system/app.
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It can clear used ram a little... but I need to know how to increase it... like 808mb in cm and other custom ROMs...
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Aingaran said:
It can clear used ram a little... but I need to know how to increase it... like 808mb in cm and other custom ROMs...
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It not clearing ram, the change is permanent until you use RSDlite. The effect is the same as if you'd do some kernel tweak.

I have 823MB total on MR

Mister_Simon said:
I have 823MB total on MR
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How did you get that?
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Aingaran said:
How did you get that?
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I'd assume removing bloat and aggressive OOM levels....v6 supercharger, how does that work again?

Mister_Simon said:
I have 823MB total on MR
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822 on 4.0 stock.

Aingaran said:
How did you get that?
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I dont know?
thats total not free ram obv

Understanding RAM
I apologize for resurrecting an older thread, but I'm having difficulties wrapping my head around the limitations of available RAM. It seems sadly lacking that the newest devices still have a ~800mb RAM limit, with a good 2/3 being used up by system processes.
In trying to understand the root issue, I guess my first question is why. Why is so little memory dedicated to running apps? Is this similar to the old 640K limitation under DOS? Why can't more memory be allocated to RAM for increased performance when running apps? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but It is my understanding that RAM and Storage (ROM) are physically the same thing, but separated by artificial "partitions" to isolate RAM from Internal Storage. If my understanding of this is correct, why can't one sacrifice Internal storage space to increase the System RAM size to, hypothetically 2gb, leaving roughly 1.3gb free for running apps so task killers or memory "babysitting" is not an issue. Wouldn't this be better and more efficient than just having a mere 300mb available for running apps?
I would appreciate it if somebody could explain and/or correct my understanding of Android memory utilization, and why System RAM seems to be such an issue.

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v6 supercharger?

What settings are you guys using that are providing the best results?
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balanced 3
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Thanks, guys! I'm using option 3. Any other tweeaks out there to use?
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Thanks, guys! I'm using option 3. Any other tweeaks out there to use?
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app2ext and then link2sd saves huge amount of ram for me ....
add a thanks if it was helpfull
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My dropbox, is vanilla version.
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LOL , was replying to your post for PE4. 2, put in wrong post.
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Thanks! I changed the thread title after you gave me the link instead of creating a new thread.
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shalom06 said:
app2ext and then link2sd saves huge amount of ram for me ....
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How does app2ext/link2sd save RAM?
i hav no clue but afta i used S2E and link2sd my ram has jumped.. before it used to be stuck around 35-40 now around 60
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I use aggressive 2 settings. My ROM(pete alfonso bugless beast) Doesn't allow for me to change home locked in memory, so i'm not sure if that changes anything.
Latest versions would fix that... I just posted updated 9 RC5
How about a link? ;-)
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shalom06 said:
i hav no clue but afta i used S2E and link2sd my ram has jumped.. before it used to be stuck around 35-40 now around 60
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I'm experiencing similar behaviour - after moving lots of apps to my ext4 partition via Link2SD my old stone seems to be more responsive.
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I'm experiencing similar behaviour - after moving lots of apps to my ext4 partition via Link2SD my old stone seems to be more responsive.
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is it the same with the native cm7 app2sd? and how is the battery usage?
its not native cm7 app2sd normally gives sumthin around 160-150 free space...with s2e and link 2 sd it 191 when i newly flashed cm7 and considerable increase in ram
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is it the same with the native cm7 app2sd? and how is the battery usage?
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I don't know
I abandoned CM7 some time ago because of serious performance issues when using the camera and Maps while having the launcher locked in memory.
Only thing I can tell is that I noticed a speed gain when I started to use Link2SD.
Might be applicable for other ROMs as well.
I can only assume that it's caused by more space being available for caching purposes.
Options 3, 19, 20 in RC5. I didn't put KAK, dunno if I should. (Used it b4 and still not sure if it is good or bad)

Is it possible to get my memory usage even lower?

Currently using stock gb 2.3.6 and I just changed my wallpaper to static and deleted most of my running apps only to see my usage of ram is 400/800, any chance I can lower it even further without doing any flashing to the from...
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krhn said:
Currently using stock gb 2.3.6 and I just changed my wallpaper to static and deleted most of my running apps only to see my usage of ram is 400/800, any chance I can lower it even further without doing any flashing to the from...
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why? why would you need over 400mb of free ram doing nothing
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Just kill it with samsung stock task manager
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why? why would you need over 400mb of free ram doing nothing
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Maybe because sometimes I run multiple tasks and next thing you notice is my usage is clocked up to 799/800 and lag is visible!
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Maybe because sometimes I run multiple tasks and next thing you notice is my usage is clocked up to 799/800 and lag is visible!
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must be doing alot tp hit the top mark. Anyway tp answer your question nope abojt 400 is as low as you will get the os uses the rest.
If you want to save more you will have to use a lighter rom
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must be doing alot tp hit the top mark. Anyway tp answer your question nope abojt 400 is as low as you will get the os uses the rest.
If you want to save more you will have to use a lighter rom
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Either you are drunk or your keyboard has been cheating on you
+1 on the lighter ROM OR
At OP: there is an app called system tuner, where you could decide which applications should start, using that you could have a restricted start up and "might" be able to reduce memory usage.
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Either you are drunk or your keyboard has been cheating on you
+1 on the lighter ROM OR
At OP: there is an app called system tuner, where you could decide which applications should start, using that you could have a restricted start up and "might" be able to reduce memory usage.
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just got up and yes I think the keyboard has been cheating on me sorry about the crazzy typos but I think you get the idea xD
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just got up and yes I think the keyboard has been cheating on me sorry about the crazzy typos but I think you get the idea xD
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hey, I was just kidding mate. All for laughs
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must be doing alot tp hit the top mark. Anyway tp answer your question nope abojt 400 is as low as you will get the os uses the rest.
If you want to save more you will have to use a lighter rom
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Kk cheers anyway.
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for me free ram is wasted ram

Which x8 gb rom gives more free ram?

Right now im using gdx and the low ram is verry annoying especially when it comes to multi tasking
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There is no such rom that u can say gives more free ram....
By the way , u can use ram manager pro and set the option that suites you...
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gingerdx v22 was the best for me when it comes to multitasking, ofc with alfs gdx kernel.
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VanillaDroid v3
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vanillaLVL said:
VanillaDroid v3
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true :good: :good:
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VanillaDroid v3
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It's the best rom I have more RAM than many other roms
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It's the best rom I have more RAM than many other roms
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You may have over 100 free , but if the android dont know how to suck(only term found that fits , dont judge me) the best of it , the big free ram is useless.
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Right now im using gdx and the low ram is verry annoying especially when it comes to multi tasking
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From your question it's obvious that you have no idea how linux or android use ram..
More free ram does not mean better multitasking.
What a stupid thread! Go and educate yourself before posting nonsense here.
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Mockingbird said:
You may have over 100 free , but if the android dont know how to suck(only term found that fits , dont judge me) the best of it , the big free ram is useless.
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True MockingBird! All the other posters in this thread haven't a clue lol..
I think more free ram needed for play hardest games without swap. It's wrong? But for multitasking no need much free ram. It's right?
kasaev10 said:
I think more free ram needed for play hardest games without swap. It's wrong? But for multitasking no need much free ram. It's right?
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Google how linux uses ram.. It's too complicated to write in a few lines here..
The OP thinks of ram from a windows users perspective. Windows doesn't know how to use ram correctly.
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Google how linux uses ram.. It's too complicated to write in a few lines here..
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1228132 i think it in here somewhere
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Google how linux uses ram.. It's too complicated to write in a few lines here..
The OP thinks of ram from a windows users perspective. Windows doesn't know how to use ram correctly.
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Thanks, I know it. And now I think that we needed for more total ram than more free ram
kasaev10 said:
Thanks, I know it. And now I think that we needed for more total ram than more free ram
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*facepalm*
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sorry
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sorry
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Dont apoligize. Learn up on Android and how it has been specially built to distribute RAM & memory. Info for those who dont know - unlike PC's, when we see very little RAM available (Settings/Apps/Running), its actually a really good thing. It means our system is ready with almost all apps preloaded. When you have 90mb+ of free RAM, you should be worried. Thats why i discourage many from using task killers and superchargers. It f*cks up how Android manages its RAM.
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RohinZaraki said:
Dont apoligize. Learn up on Android and how it has been specially built to distribute RAM & memory. Info for those who dont know - unlike PC's, when we see very little RAM available (Settings/Apps/Running), its actually a really good thing. It means our system is ready with almost all apps preloaded. When you have 90mb+ of free RAM, you should be worried. Thats why i discourage many from using task killers and superchargers. It f*cks up how Android manages its RAM.
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Thanks , but I never used any taskkillers and supercharger. I just use compcache and sometimes swap (only for gaming)
RohinZaraki said:
Dont apoligize. Learn up on Android and how it has been specially built to distribute RAM & memory. Info for those who dont know - unlike PC's, when we see very little RAM available (Settings/Apps/Running), its actually a really good thing. It means our system is ready with almost all apps preloaded. When you have 90mb+ of free RAM, you should be worried. Thats why i discourage many from using task killers and superchargers. It f*cks up how Android manages its RAM.
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Not entirely true. If you have 90MB+ of free RAM at boot, for example, you'll get a lot of cached apps. So, in a way, what you see is not entirely what you get. You only ever get that much true free RAM after executing a heavy (in terms of RAM consumption) app.
the best combination rom+kernel il gdx v29+alfsv08a.
i'm using now and its fantastic
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Right now im using gdx and the low ram is verry annoying especially when it comes to multi tasking
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for me ixperia 1.9 with nAa 13 was the best!
PrimeHD is the answer to your question.

Maximum RAM used

Hello everyone! Having a 2GB RAM in nexus 4, I am curious how much max RAM have you people used. After running my daily apps like Facebook,8 tracks, flipboard, what's app, viber,xda, drop box, chrome, I have used a Max of 1.2GB RAM. Post your max RAM usage.
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I have used about a 1 GB of RAM. I love having extra ram in a phone
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dia_naji said:
I have used about a 1 GB of RAM. I live having extra ram in a phone
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Lol. Yup. That extra ram Will be much helpful for the future updates. My friend's one x's 1 gig of RAM is now not sufficient for him.
Imho, nexus 4's power has not been used to the full yet. Optimization needs to be done, both in hardware and software. I believe we have a hardware that will go into full swing next year
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Most likely key lime pie will have more optimizations hopefully and it should debut this year.
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That is true. Take for example the galaxy nexus was released two years ago and its going strong
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I dunno why 1gig of RAM wouldn't be sufficient but i don't mind having the extra. And KLP rumors say that the new Linux Kernel will actually be substantially more RAM efficient.
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i usually have between 1375-1500mb free ram at any point of my usage(about 1650mb after killing my apps). i also use autostarts to prevent apps from starting up in the background, and i use greenify to tame wild apps.
I've seen about 1.2-1.4gb of my RAM being used. But there was someone who kept complaining that the nexus 4 would close apps even if plenty of space was remaining. i think that person even started a thread & posted videos to prove it .
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I've seen about 1.2-1.4gb of my RAM being used. But there was someone who kept complaining that the nexus 4 would close apps even if plenty of space was remaining. i think that person even started a thread & posted videos to prove it .
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anyone can fake that video. can even make it kill the background apps sooner when very little ram is used. all you have to do is change the memory management variables by raising them. plus, there are roms out there that do that too.
Yes. I feel like that nexus 4 kills certain apps or refreshes despite having enough RAM.
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Using Elixer 2 widgets, I seen to hover between 1.2gb to 800mb free ram. I don't really close anything, pretty much just let it run on its own. Stock not rooted or anything. I have probably 50 give or take a few apps installed.
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Ram use age is not only dependent upon the applications running... If you use roms like xylon or liquid etc there are options to show how much ram is used by applications, cache and one other thing which i can't remember right now.. So basically my ram use age in real life had always been nearly to 1.6 1.7 GB!
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is jelly bean optimized for 2gb?, Ive had apps close not crash and I wonder why if it needed the ram, would changing the vm heapsize help?
I checked and I usually have 700mb remaining.
My Galaxy Nexus ran perfectly with 1gb ram so its probably more like JB uses ram pretty efficiently. More helps tho.
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Ram use age is not only dependent upon the applications running... If you use roms like xylon or liquid etc there are options to show how much ram is used by applications, cache and one other thing which i can't remember right now.. So basically my ram use age in real life had always been nearly to 1.6 1.7 GB!
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That much RAM? you are on a custom Rom? Could you list your apps?
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Maximum RAM used on my N4 was about 800-900 MB. Stock everything, with some services running like Facebook,Whatsapp,8tracks,Lightflow and a live wallpaper ..
As for the people wondering why some apps appear to "close" on their own despite having enough RAM. Its the app's fault, the code is not written well and does not advantage of Android's multitasking capabilities.
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That much RAM? you are on a custom Rom? Could you list your apps?
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I don't use that many apps..and yea iam on a custom rom...but i guess u didnt get what i am saying...most of the time what ubsee ass ur free rom isn't actually free... It's being used by cache and other things...what most roms show u is only how much ram applications use..as u can see from my screen shot... The phones ram is never entirely free !
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What happen to my phone? Apps that I'm using kill automaticly

I have been using stock Rom rooted jellybean for sometime. But one thing really annoy me. It's that,if I use screen filter,music player and browser together at the same time. It close the screen filter and music player after sometime browsing the web. Is this about ram issue? I have tried super charge the service jar to die hard..but the launcher still reload quite often ..any idea?
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Try delet blotware via titanium backup, because it seems to RAM problem....
Im now using walkman, facebook and gmail, and also writting this post via XDA app and noone is killed.
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Mind show me the list of bloatware?I'm still not familiar with Sony software since I came from htc.. Thought I only disable it in setting..like Twitter..
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Do you have root? Or better unlocked BL? Then you can install CWM and any.rom (there are many stockbased too with delered Blotware)
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Do you have root? Or better unlocked BL? Then you can install CWM and any.rom (there are many stockbased too with delered Blotware)
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I already stated that i have root....bl unlocked too.. I prefer stock...as it's the most stable of all..but not sure which bloatware to delete.. Is this cause by minfree values?
I have exactly the same problem. System kills many apps when I'm using them. And I have deleted all useless bloatware. I guess I will have to reflash stock JB... You should try the same.
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I already stated that i have root....bl unlocked too.. I prefer stock...as it's the most stable of all..but not sure which bloatware to delete.. Is this cause by minfree values?
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Yes, it's caused by lmk minfree values.
It looks like the pure stock fw is not so stable.
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Yes, it's caused by lmk minfree values.
It looks like the pure stock fw is not so stable.
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Or maybe it's a problem in adj value? I dun think stock value was that high..
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Both. Adj tells to lmk what kind of apps to kill and minfree tells when to kill. With our phone (800MB available), we are always out of memory. Settings/apps/running value is a joke. It only tells how much memory is available if you kill apps that can theoretically be killed.
Most of user apps are using adj around 8-12. With lmk values in stock fw, these are killed very often.
This is what I found. But this memory thing is much more complicated (heap size, overcommiting, garbage collector, and who knows what else).
And I think, when the memory is divided into 3 blocks like we have, it also cannot be good.
Because of that all, Z already has 2GB.
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Both. Adj tells to lmk what kind of apps to kill and minfree tells when to kill. With our phone (800MB available), we are always out of memory. Settings/apps/running value is a joke. It only tells how much memory is available if you kill apps that can theoretically be killed.
Most of user apps are using adj around 8-12. With lmk values in stock fw, these are killed very often.
This is what I found. But this memory thing is much more complicated (heap size, overcommiting, garbage collector, and who knows what else).
And I think, when the memory is divided into 3 blocks like we have, it also cannot be good.
Because of that all, Z already has 2GB.
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I saw the vm heapsize in my v was 256m and heapsize limit is 64m..so the only solution is change the minfree?
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I don't know about any other solution.
Use android tweaker(paid app) or pimp my rom beta(free) to set up better multitasking
After I supercharge the rom, I use die hard launcher... Then things turn out like this
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