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In next few days I'm about to sell my dear Arc S, and I'm undecided between three phones:
Ion, T and V, with T being the most probable option.
Now, this might sound as a newbie question, which I'm not, but I would appreciate as many opinions as I can get.
Regarding choices, I'm in love with Ion's build quality, but on the other hand T and V are more recent phones, and therefore will probably have a bit longer life regarding updates. I love Xperia T design much more than V, but on the other side, removable battery and water resistance, heh...
This is really a tough call.
(Xperia SP was also a choice, but I will rather buy older flagship device than newer mid-ranger).
So, any word will be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
I'm from Arc S to TX. After i just bought my TX I feel Wow! don't need to suffer for internal memory and I still remember everytime I jump out from apps to homescreen, it takes time to load the icon and content. Mmm.. So far I'm satisfied with my TX. Nowadays 1GB of ram consider just enough for average user like me so couldn't expect that much on your Xperia T too.
you coming from arc s? so i guess you like the arc design? you want a good relation smartphonesize-displaysize? and a low prize phone (how much in sarajevo? Germany around 270euro) ?
you like flashing custom roms, you like play around? check the forum sections
maybe then go with xperia T (CM Support, PAC Support, some other Port Roms, Miui v5, some stock based Roms, many Mods)
how save is the V waterproof feature? is it necessary to have that?
thats some questions i would ask myself if i want buy a new phone. (by the way theres a guessing around the net XT can maybe get 4.3 directly, skippin 4.2.2, but not 100%sure)
by the way i not have that icon loading problem joonlin write about. it would be a decent update
a little subjective end note from myself:
you want handgasms? then take the T
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I love arc(h) design, that's the main reason I bought Arc S in the first place.
Yes, I care a lot about display size (and bezel size corelation), as I don't want a chocolade in my hands.
The price is basically the same then. It's about 520-540KM in sarajevo, which is about 270 Euros.
Of course the V's water-proof is not a killer feature to me, but removable battery is. Maybe I'm a bit paranoid, I don't know.
Like I said, Xperia T is the most probable option, and I already even ordered Nillkin case for it, from eBay.
I will report in next few days what I have bought. If I decide to go with T, then white one would be my preference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BtXZiVLtWc
maybe video like this help with the paranoid thoughts?
in worst case scenario you can change or let change the battery, also its possible to change backcover (there some shops in internet who sell custom backcovers)
heres a video with ion/T comparison (german, but you can see it in hands then )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_yJnAP9DEk
I'm not afraid of disassembling the phone. I disassembled probably every piece of electronics/phones I ever had.
I just thought it's a bit easier to deal with all kinds of bricking and freezings of phone, when you have a removable battery, but I guess thats's part of paranoia too.
I guess it's clear then. T it's gonna be, 99%.
And one more thing to ask. Some reviews are mentioning that flap covering microSD and microSIM is a bit messy.
Like, once you open it, you never really get to close it ideally again. I guess this is not entirely true?
Aso, based on video comparison above, Ion seems to have a bit brighter display, with better viewing angles. But ok, this is not a dealbraker to me.
I upgraded to the T from the arc (not s). Arc was a awesome phone, with a fast and fluid ui (on gb) and a great camera. Ive used the arc for almost 2 years and i've had my T for 5 months now.
The T is a worthy upgrade, the phone is faster, i like the jellybean firmware and the screen is a big upgrade from arc. Also the 1gb ram is a big relieve since my arc would always run low on ram. The batterylife is also quite a lot better.
When i first got the T i thought it was pretty thick but thats actually kind of nice. The T feels more stable in your hand because of its thickness and rubber back. The arc felt a little fragile (which it wasn't, i must have dropped that phone like a million times and its still alive)
The only thing which is not an upgrade in my opinion is the camera. It's a good camera but the arc camera was simply amazing.
I didnt go for the latest flagship because it was to expensive. My friends have the htc one, xperia z and lumia 920 and this phone doesnt feel outdated compared to those phones. I also think sony has the best looking no nonsense smartphone software.
So yes, upgrade to T
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spromper said:
I upgraded to the T from the arc (not s). Arc was a awesome phone... The T is a worthy upgrade, the phone is faster, i like the jellybean firmware and the screen is a big upgrade from arc... The T feels more stable in your hand because of its thickness and rubber back. The arc felt a little fragile... The arc camera was simply amazing.
I didnt go for the latest flagship because it was to expensive... I also think sony has the best looking no nonsense smartphone software.
So yes, upgrade to T...
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This is basically the sum up of my current thoughts too.
Yes, Arc S was an amazing, and beautiful phone before anything else. And yes, it's having a great camera. And yes, it feels fragile, but it's not actually. Back cover is lame quality though.
And yes, the T (and Ion) feels heavier but it's a good thing. And I love T's design also, more than Ion's or V's.
And the same thing, I don't have enough money for Z or ZR now, and if I happen to have, I would question myself about buying Z. It's too big and too slippery, and too fingerprintable for my taste.
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This is basically the sum up of my current thoughts too.
Yes, Arc S was an amazing, and beautiful phone before anything else. And yes, it's having a great camera. And yes, it feels fragile, but it's not actually. Back cover is lame quality though.
And yes, the T (and Ion) feels heavier but it's a good thing. And I love T's design also, more than Ion's or V's.
And the same thing, I don't have enough money for Z or ZR now, and if I happen to have, I would question myself about buying Z. It's too big and too slippery, and too fingerprintable for my taste.
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Z is pretty awesome, my friend is really liking the waterproof feature. but its pretty big indeed and my friends Z just broke(probably his own fault, he was throwing his phone around while he was drunk). But ive dropped my T quite a few times and i barely have a scratch. If i had to choose again i would take T again with no doubt. Ive seen a lot of people crying about sony and the jb firmwares on this forum but i dont share their opinion at all. Samsung and htc also aren't that good with upgrades. Samsungs arc comparable phone(galaxy s plus) didnt get a ics upgrade, my gf has the plus and shes stuck with some crappy unstable touchwiz firmware.
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Ive seen a lot of people crying about sony and the jb firmwares on this forum but i dont share their opinion at all. Samsung and htc also aren't that good with upgrades.
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Heh, as 2011 Xperia flagship user, I'm quite familiar with all kind of whinings, cries, swears to never buy Sony again, etc...
To be honest, I was never obsessed with updates. My priorities were fast, functional, and bug-free firmware, so I spent most of my time with Xperia Arc S using stock GingerBread firmware (rooted and debloated).
But it should be said that ICS update for 2011 Xperia line was quite horrible. Creepy slow and full of bugs.
Now, what I don't get from your post is, why are people still crying about JB here? Isn't Xperia T already provided with JB update?
I didn't have time to read these forums throughly, so I don't know what is the feedback about JB yet, but shouldn't it be better than ICS in every way?
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Heh, as 2011 Xperia flagship user, I'm quite familiar with all kind of whinings, cries, swears to never buy Sony again, etc...
To be honest, I was never obsessed with updates. My priorities were fast, functional, and bug-free firmware, so I spent most of my time with Xperia Arc S using stock GingerBread firmware (rooted and debloated).
But it should be said that ICS update for 2011 Xperia line was quite horrible. Creepy slow and full of bugs.
Now, what I don't get from your post is, why are people still crying about JB here? Isn't Xperia T already provided with JB update?
I didn't have time to read these forums throughly, so I don't know what is the feedback about JB yet, but shouldn't it be better than ICS in every way?
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For me everything works great except auto brightness. So for me it is in every way better than ics. But people are whining about batterydrains, slow phones, gaming performance. I havent had any of these problems but i do have to say that i dont use a lot of heavy apps. Mainly whatsapp, chrome, dropbox, 9gag and facebook.
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i upgraded from ARC S to XPERIA TX , and am feeling satisfied , TX has the arc design , it has bigger screen than xperia V , check this comparison from the GSM arena website
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4959&idPhone2=4958
I bought it! :victory:
About hour ago I bought my new beastie boy...
My first impressions are... WOW, just WOW!
Display is huge huge improvement over Arc S, in terms of everything. Colors are amazing, as well as sharpness. UI is beautiful too, probably the best Android skin among all big players, at least for me. Also, build quality seems amazing, and it feels rock solid in hands.
Also, JB came out of the box, version 9.1.A.0.489, and also it already popped me with mesage that new update is available, 9.1.A.1.141.
I guess I should update it, it's only 20-something MBs?
since I'am too considering to switch to one of these xperias i'm in doubt whether T is better than V. V's got a 4G support and is kind of weatherproof. it's also got newer chipset and isn't that alone enough for V to work faster that T? though usb otg is not listed among features this chipset natively supports it and I see no reason for it to be not enabled at least in a custom rom. another thing, the price of SP these days is closing down to that of V or T and it might be even better deal to go for with some 50-60 KM's (~$40) of difference between these models. I was considering even Z but decided to put it on hold until that issue with back glass "ungluing" has been resolved. I do not know how serious that is and do not want to become a victim of a pore design and lack of engineering common sense. i like all three models though, and it seems to be a tough choice what to go for.
As phone design plays a huge role in my decisions when purchasing a new phone, this time Xperia T won for obvious reasons (well, at least to me).
I never liked Xperia V design, not on pictures, and not in real when I compare it with T (or with Ion for that matter).
Yes, Xperia SP is having very close price range, to those of T and V, but still it's a mid-ranger, and somehow I would always choose older flagship over newer mid-ranger, with the same/similar price. But it's just me...
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As phone design plays a huge role in my decisions when purchasing a new phone, this time Xperia T won for obvious reasons (well, at least to me).
I never liked Xperia V design, not on pictures, and not in real when I compare it with T (or with Ion for that matter).
Yes, Xperia SP is having very close price range, to those of T and V, but still it's a mid-ranger, and somehow I would always choose older flagship over newer mid-ranger, with the same/similar price. But it's just me...
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I came from the Arc and got the T, my missus just took delivery of the SP last week. I can catagorically say that the T is a most excellent upgrade to the Arc, but I like the additional items and functionality like the LED bar, slightly sleeker shape of the SP and faster processor. I'd go for the SP in hindsight but would definitely not be disappointed with the T.
Regarding pure aesthetics, I definitely don't regret buying a T and not an SP. Yes, I too like illumination bar of SP, and marginally better hardware specs (what is there to not like about that), but all in all, I think Xperia T is an amazing package, with very affordable price (maybe even underrated compared to some other OEMs devices), and generally an device with much more character to it, than Xperia SP. Like I said, design is beautiful, elegant with some nice accents, and probably the whole world is recognising it as a "Bond phone". While SP is bound to be a mid-ranger for the time being, and will never gain any significant attention probably.
And yeah, T feels rock-solid regarding build quality, something that my last phone, Arc S, was lacking badly (while still being an beautiful device).
Simply, I love my new phone, after merely two days of usage...
Dude, you sound like you're convincing yourself that you made a right choice. Praising a generaly older piece of hardware and crithisizing a new one, just because of your personal affection is not correct. I considered T as well, but opted for SP simply because is a new generation hardware. And even that is to become obsolete quite soon. There are some advantages of T, i agree it's got better camera and more storage, but anyone who want anything resembling a quality photo would go for a real point and shot or even a real dslr device, and storage can be expanded. I already put in a 32gb sdhc clas 10, fast memory with sufficient storage. And design of sp might not be striking, but sure is elegant and atractive. There are those like I am who do not want their phone to look like bannana. No offence ment. It' just personal taste. The rest of the the hardware inside SP is near flagship phones of not just sony, but of sumsung and htc as well. Go and check several tests and reviews, they can't all be wrong. So enjoy your phone but be realistic. While it is a mid-ranger, SP is a device with a lot of potential and if it had 2gb of ram it would be a absolut winner. Still, it has plenty to offer to any kind of user, even the heavy ones, and because being newer generation device it will enjoy longer support, so it was a logical chice for me. While the looks is somewhat conservative it is longlasting, plus i'm not going to take it to bad with me, at least not to make love to it. I'm going to root it and make it do it's job. It is supposed so serve my needs, connectionwise speaking, and it is supposed to do that for some time and i will need that support that SP will have. So good luck andhave a good time
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And yeah, i'm not getting a hard-on watching bond movies.
skojevac said:
Dude, you sound like you're convincing yourself that you made a right choice. Praising a generaly older piece of hardware and crithisizing a new one, just because of your personal affection is not correct.
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And your reply sounded like...? You made my post very laid back and relaxed alike, with this kind of even more biased reply.
I'm not trying to convince anybody anything. I'm simply telling why I made the choice I made. I could have easily gone with your choice if I wanted to, but I didn't wanted (not couldn't).
And yeah, I'm not "getting hard on" watching Bond movies as well, I even don't like them.
I'm just telling that Bond colored marketing campaign helped this phone being desirable and recognisable piece of hardware, a bit more than an "usual" phone, and that's it.
Take it easy friend... SP is great device as well, I might even suggest it to my friend tonight (who's migrating from iPhone soon).
Thats all subjective reasons to choose a phone, of both of you two. its some sort of personal taste. for me mr_torture taste matches also my personal taste.
I believe noone can choose a phone just from objective point of view. because we humans and not robots
And just because a phone is generaly older piece of hardware, means nothing skojevac. Just wanne say :highfive:
If i would buy a phone with your arguments, then i also would not choose the SP, i wouldnt choose any phone with 1GB Ram.:good:
love the banana
the older, the sweeter ahahahaha
I hear stories that Xperia Z scratches and when you remove the screen protector infront the sony logo comes off. Its necessary that I get that Logo else its not worth it.
Also heard the back glass comes off when it gets hot etc.
Then there is the issue of non removable battery. What happens in 2 or 3 years when the battery goes bad?
These things are incredibly difficult to replace and where I live this Xperia Z will cost me $700 USD and I work for $3 USD an Hour.
What kind of battery does the Xperia Z use? and how many recharge cycles does it have?
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I don't care what you think about what I say.
I want the Xperia Z so am posting what I have heard the stories to see if perhaps I was misinformed and those stories came from early faulty units that might have been fixed by now.
Xperia Z is the best looking phone I ever seen but if the stories I read about are indeed true then it sure stinks IMO.
What I am wondering is the battery lifespan.
Can the battery in this phone last 5 years?
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Depending on how u use it.. May up to 10 years!! but if u use ur phone to online and play games then having a removable battery is best.. I suggested that u buy a xperia zr which have a removable battery. Thus all ur problem will disappear :angel: but then if u still insisting to buy the xperia z? Well train yourself to fit the phone limitations.
Sometimes littlest things makes the different..:good:
Didn't know the ZR had removable battery
Nice sounds like a good buy. I will check to see if its available locally and should be cheaper than the Z also
And with lower 720p the games should also run smoother thansame processor trying to run it in 1080p
The ZR looks like a real beauty.
One question is the SONY logo embedded into the display or is it on some sort of screen protector and comes off it the protector comes off?
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Didn't know the ZR had removable battery
Nice sounds like a good buy. I will check to see if its available locally and should be cheaper than the Z also
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Yup definitely cheaper.. If im not mistaken, the Sony logo is embedded on the glass. But I guess u should check out the zr forum if available.
Thanks me if I help in anyway possible
look how awesome the ad for the ZR looks WOW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1a7KjdUqmA
Take a look the review and enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh0Xqzr1V8o
EDIT: I will be happy if I can put my hands on it :fingers-crossed:
i suggest you wait one more month..probably honami will be launched...Z has few defects...as you said...heating issue is the major concern...i had it...but apart from that, it is a beautiful device..too bad some jerk stole my Z...
The battery is replaceable but not user replaceable, you can head over to a Sony store to replace your battery, you will need to pay as well.
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The battery is replaceable but not user replaceable, you can head over to a Sony store to replace your battery, you will need to pay as well.
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But I saw a video of the Xperia ZR and the battery is just like any samsung phone
Can be replaced in 5 seconds by even a child.
Unless ur talking about the Z?
Yeah its a nightmare to replace the battery in that one.
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look how awesome the ad for the ZR looks WOW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1a7KjdUqmA
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Sony ZR is a brilliant and practical phone.
The only thing I'm concerned about is zero development for ZR, i don't know why cos both Z and ZR are on the same chipset.
This was the same reason i didn't go for the S4 octa (lack of AOSP development).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2414
I can live with that
this ZR looks incredible. And I am happy its 720p and not 1080p since at these size the human eye cannot notice the difference.
Thats the best ad I ever seen
The screen coming off in heat thing must be crazy. I work outside and It's been 110 for the two weeks I've had the phone and I'm a heavy user. My screen on time hits 7 hours a day quite often. If I haven't had this problem then it's probably something you shouldn't worry about. It's a random defect in some phones out of millions it sounds like.
hi i bought X-SP from Flipkart.com .. but it have some hardware issue therefore they are refunding me the entire amount ... so now am confused weather to buy X-ZR/X-ZL/X-SP
please help..
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hi i bought X-SP from Flipkart.com .. but it have some hardware issue therefore they are refunding me the entire amount ... so now am confused weather to buy X-ZR/X-ZL/X-SP
please help..
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I'm already having problems with ZR (it's 10 days old) I have a friend with a Z and he hasn't got any problems, go for Z, or better buy an HTC or Samsung seems to me SONY are releasing a lot of faulty devices.
andes83 said:
I'm already having problems with ZR (it's 10 days old) I have a friend with a Z and he hasn't got any problems, go for Z, or better buy an HTC or Samsung seems to me SONY are releasing a lot of faulty devices.
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what's wrong with yours ?
I brought my ZR with my friend and he brought the SP together. SP is good for who want a cheaper price, not targeting for a better camera. For SP, you can set the notification LED colors for different apps but ZR cannot. If you think the prize for ZR is reasonable, and you want better battery experience, quad cpu, waterproof phone, replaceable battery, then ZR is a good choice. SP seems a little heavier as it uses metal case I think. One more major difference is that ZR has cover for micro usb and headset plug. It's a little inconvenient but some will take those covers as a plus as they can protect the phone from dust. Also ZR is obviously smoother in my point of view.
All in all, if you don't think price is a major problem and the function of the phone is important to you, then I think ZR is your choice.
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ming0070913 said:
I brought my ZR with my friend and he brought the SP together. SP is good for who want a cheaper price, not targeting for a better camera. For SP, you can set the notification LED colors for different apps but ZR cannot. If you think the prize for ZR is reasonable, and you want better battery experience, quad cpu, waterproof phone, replaceable battery, then ZR is a good choice. SP seems a little heavier as it uses metal case I think. One more major difference is that ZR has cover for micro usb and headset plug. It's a little inconvenient but some will take those covers as a plus as they can protect the phone from dust. Also ZR is obviously smoother in my point of view.
All in all, if you don't think price is a major problem and the function of the phone is important to you, then I think ZR is your choice.
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yeah, the SP has aluminium parts, even the power button is made with alu.
http://www.sonymobile.com/us/products/phones/xperia-sp/features/#design
Ilko said:
what's wrong with yours ?
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The screen became unresponsive and now it's gone for repairs. There are already 2-3 people with the same problem in the forum. Maybe it's just bad luck.
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The screen became unresponsive and now it's gone for repairs. There are already 2-3 people with the same problem in the forum. Maybe it's just bad luck.
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well 2 or 3 in the same forum, with a not too much popularity for that device, I won't call it bad luck. Let's wait and see
I am looking after an new device for playing around with (ROM / Kernel flashing) and the Xperia T / V caught my attention pretty well. But.. Which one should I get? What is the differences except screen and the SoC?
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Destroyedbeauty said:
I am looking after an new device for playing around with (ROM / Kernel flashing) and the Xperia T / V caught my attention pretty well. But.. Which one should I get? What is the differences except screen and the SoC?
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Xperia T has the biggher Screen (4,55 inch) vs 4,3 on Xperia V. Xperia V is water resistant. idk which one is better. I got the T and I'm happy with it. Roms for both are more or less the same
if you prefer something "nice" in your hand, and you like it a bit more heavy. you know, the feeling when a real "machine" is sliding in your hand. then take the Xperia T. The screensize-hardwaresize relation is better on the Xperia T. The XV has more device around the screen^^
i have an example for you: The T is the rough, more heavy spade, you know. a thing a man like to hold in his hand, when he work in the garden. good size, good feel.
the V is more a cheap and less heavy spade from the supermarket. it maybe feels too light in the hand. you feel worry about it and its size. (my opinion):silly:
but before i forget, the V is waterproof. so if you like to chat with your gf or bf under shower, better take the Xperia V.
if iam right, the V has changeable battery, if you have a focus on that feature, then you will not be happy with the XT, it has no removable battery. i mean if you have a bit knowledge, then you also can change battery on XT, but not officially.
oh i have one more thing: the xperia T will have official OmniRom support. and we have a supernice Miui v5, based on stock sony rom, with great batterylife.:angel:
dont get me wrong, the Xperia V isnt a bad phone, for me it just cannot compare with the Xperia T.
short answer, hold them, squeeze them, decide then, buy then.
if you liek to flash custom roms, then have an eye on the bootloader unlock allowed: yes or no!
immerblind said:
if you prefer something "nice" in your hand, and you like it a bit more heavy. you know, the feeling when a real "machine" is sliding in your hand. then take the Xperia T. The screensize-hardwaresize relation is better on the Xperia T. The XV has more device around the screen^^
i have an example for you: The T is the rough, more heavy spade, you know. a thing a man like to hold in his hand, when he work in the garden. good size, good feel.
the V is more a cheap and less heavy spade from the supermarket. it maybe feels too light in the hand. you feel worry about it and its size. (my opinion):silly:
but before i forget, the V is waterproof. so if you like to chat with your gf or bf under shower, better take the Xperia V.
if iam right, the V has changeable battery, if you have a focus on that feature, then you will not be happy with the XT, it has no removable battery. i mean if you have a bit knowledge, then you also can change battery on XT, but not officially.
oh i have one more thing: the xperia T will have official OmniRom support. and we have a supernice Miui v5, based on stock sony rom, with great batterylife.:angel:
dont get me wrong, the Xperia V isnt a bad phone, for me it just cannot compare with the Xperia T.
short answer, hold them, squeeze them, decide then, buy then.
if you liek to flash custom roms, then have an eye on the bootloader unlock allowed: yes or no!
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This kind of reply does help a lot. Thank you!
Well, I see that the Xperia T got it into Sweden, even though it was said to be the international model and the Xperia V the Scandinavia / Nordic countries focused one..
1) Which one gives better battery life?
2) Which is best custom ROM / kernel supported?
3) Which one offers the best camera performance?
Destroyedbeauty said:
This kind of reply does help a lot. Thank you!
Well, I see that the Xperia T got it into Sweden, even though it was said to be the international model and the Xperia V the Scandinavia / Nordic countries focused one..
1) Which one gives better battery life?
2) Which is best custom ROM / kernel supported?
3) Which one offers the best camera performance?
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Xperia T has 13 mega pixels and the pictures are pretty good (at least at good light), also I think that T has a little better rom support, but theres no big difference as they're pretty similar. Can't tell about battery life though
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Xperia T has 13 mega pixels and the pictures are pretty good (at least at good light), also I think that T has a little better rom support, but theres no big difference as they're pretty similar. Can't tell about battery life though
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Will see which one I am laying my hands on..
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I want to add two points:
1. The removable battery is useful, when I mod my phone and it would hang. With no removable battery I'd need to wait until the battery is completely depleted. Or unscrew the phone. The phone hung already a number of times. Waiting for an empty battery can be up to 50 h.
2. I think the property to withstand water should not be underestimated. No needing to worry about the weather protection, for example when I go out for cycling, on the motorbike. Or taking pictures of my kid when at the pool I don't need to worry dropping into the water. Immersing it into the pool water and watching the screen on is a bit eery first. I personally do not think the USB flap will hold up that test very long, but I do think it still withstand splashes and rain well, even with a "worn" flap.
As the others above said, both are pretty similar, and I personally don't really see the point for Sony having two products in their range which differ so little. It seems not useful to decide on basis of technical specifications. I would entirely decide on basis of your personal preferences in terms of battery flexibility, screen size and water resistance.
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I want to add two points:
1. The removable battery is useful, when I mod my phone and it would hang. With no removable battery I'd need to wait until the battery is completely depleted. Or unscrew the phone. The phone hung already a number of times. Waiting for an empty battery can be up to 50 h.
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ehm, no...thats not true. if you end in freeze or whatever, you can power+volume up some seconds, hard reset.
short: you not need to wait till battery empty, use key-combination...this cannot be a pro argument for XV :angel:
immerblind said:
ehm, no...thats not true. if you end in freeze or whatever, you can power+volume up some seconds, hard reset.
short: you not need to wait till battery empty, use key-combination...this cannot be a pro argument for XV :angel:
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I stand corrected. I did not know this also works on freeze.
Hard reset "boots" you up were to? To a CWM which is hopefully there?
no automatic boot in recovery.
honestly im not sure how it works exactly, because my last freezes/bootloops are some time agoooooo
look, i found the thread for 2012 modells
{RECOVER SOFT-brick}[2012 XPERIA's]Recover ALL 2012 XPERIAs from SOFT-brick
but to come back ontopic:
i would say the XT has more to offer regarding custom roms. at least the XT has the better running custom roms.
we can look forward the newly omnirom, the T will be officially supported
then we have the awesome MIUI v5
we have different themed and tweaked stock based sony roms, a honami rom, and we have AOKP
there are also some Cyaniogenmods, ChameleonOS, PAC (support for that stopped if iam right)
good roms for locked and unlocked bootloaders.
Last time I've checked the T does not have an LTE support. If the gsmarena specifications are correct (http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4958&idPhone2=4899), the T screen supports only 4 finger multitouch and the V - 10. Although I don't know what you'll be doing with 10 fingers on a 4.3" screen . And yes, the battery is removable on the V model.
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Last time I've checked the T does not have an LTE support. If the gsmarena specifications are correct (http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4958&idPhone2=4899), the T screen supports only 4 finger multitouch and the V - 10. Although I don't know what you'll be doing with 10 fingers on a 4.3" screen . And yes, the battery is removable on the V model.
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The rear cover has a rubber around the battery area for water resistance. It's quite clever.
What I trust lesser are the flaps for the two ports. The one for USB is used on daily basis. A free dock should be supplied with the phone (which actually applies to all this phones with contemporary abysmal battery life, IMO).
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The rear cover has a rubber around the battery area for water resistance. It's quite clever.
What I trust lesser are the flaps for the two ports. The one for USB is used on daily basis. A free dock should be supplied with the phone (which actually applies to all this phones with contemporary abysmal battery life, IMO).
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That's the reason I got the dock from the shop
Apart from that, after 6 months of use those flaps are still waterproof. It's very enjoyable to watch your colleagues' faces while washing the phone
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no automatic boot in recovery.
honestly im not sure how it works exactly, because my last freezes/bootloops are some time agoooooo
look, i found the thread for 2012 modells
{RECOVER SOFT-brick}[2012 XPERIA's]Recover ALL 2012 XPERIAs from SOFT-brick
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I checked. I learned hard reset is when booting up the phone, not when UI is frozen. Therefore: No phone without removable battery for me.
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I checked. I learned hard reset is when booting up the phone, not when UI is frozen. Therefore: No phone without removable battery for me.
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AGAIN. if the UI is freezing OR if you fazing bootloop, you can shutdown the phone with power button+volum up. its a FACT.
No need to wait till battery empty. i not understand how you can think you have to wait till battery is empty. NOT true.
you seem to misread
SOFT RESET = 1 vibration then let go of buttons (hold about 3 seconds); Like hitting REBOOT.
HARD RESET = 3 vibrations then let go (about 10 seconds); Like taking out the battery.
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And as a XT user i can confirm this, i never ever waited till my battery is empty.
The removable battery argument isnt that necessary, like many people in the internet make it. but whatever, personal taste and so on ...
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AGAIN. if the UI is freezing OR if you fazing bootloop, you can shutdown the phone with power button+volum up. its a FACT.
No need to wait till battery empty. i not understand how you can think you have to wait till battery is empty. NOT true.
you seem to misread
smip ...
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I understand it works on a working phone and on a bootlooping phone. But it did not work on my frozen V. Otherwise I would not have needed to take the battery out. But I understand it works on your frozen T. So the case is cleared. :good:
Hi all. I currently have a Samsung Galaxy S3 and I'm thinking about buying the Xperia Z3 Compact. Everything about the phone seems great, but with Sony's bi-annual update cycle, I'm not sure what to do. Is it worth it to wait another 3 or so months for a yet unannounced Z4 compact? Or pull the trigger on this?
Thank you.
I don't think z4 will have great improvements.. I have a z3 compact and its great..
There is no official word about a z4 compact
Go for it man! I doubt you'll ever be half satisfied with this. I've had this since December and i'm only loving it more and more
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Z4 Compact? Z2 Compact has never been released, IMVHO the next compact phone will be Z5C
Dsteppa said:
There is no official word about a z4 compact
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Yeah, I know. Just trying to think ahead, but at the rate technology is moving, there's no way to keep up. Thank you very much all. I'll make the purchase. Like I said, I've only seen great things about this device.
Bzow said:
Yeah, I know. Just trying to think ahead, but at the rate technology is moving, there's no way to keep up. Thank you very much all. I'll make the purchase. Like I said, I've only seen great things about this device.
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The difference between the Z1 and Z3 compact are pretty minimal tbh
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yea so far there're only rumors and i'm quite happy with the Z3 compact. i think you should go for the Z3 compact if you really like it.
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The difference between the Z1 and Z3 compact are pretty minimal tbh
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i have owned both of the devices. my old Z1 compact was stolen 4 months ago (damn the thief). so i've been using the Z3 compact for 4 months.
honestly the performance does have some difference. you can clearly feel the Z3 compact is more smooth. but if you are not super sensitive then both devices are good.
another thing is the Z1 compact has the metal frame around. it feels much sturdy and real. while Z3 compact has it changed to plastic. it still looks good. but feels a bit differently. however, the Z3 compact has the glass back cover. even though it doesn't feel much difference comparing to the Z1 compact... i can't tell the back cover of Z1 compact is actually plastic.
so all in all.. from Z1c to Z3c it's for sure a progress. but not too much.
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yea so far there're only rumors and i'm quite happy with the Z3 compact. i think you should go for the Z3 compact if you really like it.
i have owned both of the devices. my old Z1 compact was stolen 4 months ago (damn the thief). so i've been using the Z3 compact for 4 months.
honestly the performance does have some difference. you can clearly feel the Z3 compact is more smooth. but if you are not super sensitive then both devices are good.
another thing is the Z1 compact has the metal frame around. it feels much sturdy and real. while Z3 compact has it changed to plastic. it still looks good. but feels a bit differently. however, the Z3 compact has the glass back cover. even though it doesn't feel much difference comparing to the Z1 compact... i can't tell the back cover of Z1 compact is actually plastic.
so all in all.. from Z1c to Z3c it's for sure a progress. but not too much.
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The display is MUCH better on z3c. My brother has a z1c and the colours on z3c are far better
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Furthermore there are different return policies in different countries. Means you can return it in a certain period of time if you dont like it depending on your country and your retail selling policy.
The phone may not shine in every area but it definitely has its strong sides as regards battery, raw power, size , the ability to withstand water and the easy upgradeable storage space with a micro sd. The dedicated camera button i also find a nice addition.
Downsides are the reported awful customer service (also dependant on your reseller, so read the return policies carefully) , the non replaceable battery and the somehow fragile feeling this phone gives. But this can be solved with a case or the choice of a good protection plan. The camera is as good as expected, not outstanding but not terribly bad either. If i want to shoot good photos I would not use a smartphone anyway. Also if you are a heavy multimedia consumer you might want to check out bigger phones. At last the inbuilt flashlight is pretty weak. So if you want to use your phone as a flashlight you might want to look another way also .
The Iphone 5s is really the only contester worth comparing it to, but i would choose android over ios always. If you dont care about this and need the same one handed usability (this ofc also depends on your hand size )then the 5s might be worth a look.
Now with root available with locked BL i would always recommend this phone no matter what. When it runs it runs fast, reliable and efficient and will get you through a day of heavy or 3 days of light/moderate usage. Which is the main and most important point for me.
I own the phone for 4 months now and never ran into a problem which could not be solved. I would not buy a different one.
Went from Galaxy S3 to Z3 Compact. Couldn't have asked for anything better really
Well i took the plunge and bought the Orange Z3 compact, even after reading some of these threads on some of the faults. I have come from a HTC M8, and i must say, this Z3, is one of the best phones i have ever had, the size of the phone is perfect for me, i never liked big phones, they seemed a bit silly for me.
I am still on stock, i haven't rooted the Z3, but i did root all my previous phones, and in all honestly rooting this phone is the last thing on my mind, it is brilliant as it is, lighting fast, and there is more customization, than any previous phone i have had.
And NO i am not a Sony Fanboy, neither am i being paid by Sony, These are my thoughts, i am so glad i did buy this phone, only thing i miss is a decent weather widget.
So all in all , best thing to do is check the phone out for yourself, then only you can make your decision, never let any one make the decision for you.
Can only confirm the above posts - also coming from a S3. I can promise you - even if you don't root the Z3 right away you will not turn on your S3 anymore. The Z3 outperforms the S3 by a landslide and (in my opinion) even the current, bigger and more expensive "flagships" from other companies by some degree.
My only "mistake" was not looking here before buying it, it was an impulse buy mainly because of the form factor and pure specs (SD card a big one, too). Was a bit annoyed because of not being able to root, actually with the Z3 it was the longest time I spent with an unrooted device ever. But: the positives outweighed the negatives and in the end root is finally available, making this device even better than it is with stock firmware. I'm also happy the constant chase for "the best" custom ROM is finally over, can't imagine how I could ever bare the hassle I had with previous phones/tablets. Stock is just fine and the Z3 does what it is supposed to.
As for the other problems mentioned in these forums:
- front/back glass breaking sponteanously: I use a tempered glass screen protector for the display, nothing for the back. the phone sits in a no name TPU case, I only had to put some work to the slot for the magnetic charger. No cracks whatsoever (yet) - and I'm known to be a magnet for disaster...
- flash LED: compared to your S3 you will probably think: "hey, is this thing really on ??"
It really is weak, but then again - if you need a reliable light, get a Maglite with some batteries to spare. This is a phone. In most cases I use a simple app that simply turns the screen on white at full brightness, that's more than enough for my taste.
- being slippery/attracting dirt: yes. Especially the black one if you intend to use it without a case. It's my first phone that rests constantly in a case, otherwise I would be pushing my luck... I would try to get the white or red one if you can't stand smudges when using it without a case.
- speaker quality: well, look at the size... it ain't good, but not too bad either.
- camera: as mentioned before, not brilliant, but not crap too (even with unlocked BL). It's ok for snapshots mostly.
Biggest pros as mentioned: performance, battery life and (after rooting) full use of the SD card combined with small size and a all in all great display. Being "waterproof" is an added bonus - though I would never take it to the shower or otherwise test this - I just hope it survives the occasional heavy rainstorms I get caught in from time to time when out with the dogs.
I did not regret buying it without contract for the full price.
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Schumi 01 said:
i am so glad i did buy this phone, only thing i miss is a decent weather widget.
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Well, OT :
there are millions of weather apps/widgets out there, I always come back to:
- Arcus Weather
- Weather Timeline
- Weather Pro
Currently I'm using weather pro as this is (at least for me for my region of Germany) the most precise one and I got some play store credit for my chromecast so I gave it a try for a year of pro usage. Not disappointed so far !
The other two are pretty solid, too.
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Well, OT :
there are millions of weather apps/widgets out there, I always come back to:
- Arcus Weather
- Weather Timeline
- Weather Pro
Currently I'm using weather pro as this is (at least for me for my region of Germany) the most precise one and I got some play store credit for my chromecast so I gave it a try for a year of pro usage. Not disappointed so far !
The other two are pretty solid, too.
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Thanks will check them out. :good:
Rumors Z4C, it was from a reliable place. Don't remember now, but well see in MWC next month
4.7" screen
3GB ram
Sexier then Z3C, which is sexier then Z1C
Open USB and Jack, still IP68 rated
Qualcomm 810 cat. 9
Quad or Octa core, don't remember.
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3GB ram
Sexier then Z3C, which is sexier then Z1C
Open USB and Jack, still IP68 rated
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Well, that would be an improvement. 3 gigs ?
Never understood why the Z3c can be waterproof whilst relying on flaps when the jack is open... ?
shafiq01 said:
Rumors Z4C, it was from a reliable place. Don't remember now, but well see in MWC next month
4.7" screen
3GB ram
Sexier then Z3C, which is sexier then Z1C
Open USB and Jack, still IP68 rated
Qualcomm 810 cat. 9
Quad or Octa core, don't remember.
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To be honest, I don't think there'll be a Z4C for quite a while as from what I've heard Sony is planning to change their release schedule, to one highend phone per year. Mainly because that is what certain customers want and that Sonys budget ain't that good right now. Developing a new phone costs a ton of money.
Also, please tell me what that source is as this sounds like fake and unjustified rumors.
Just dropped in for some Thread Cleaning.
Folks, if you don't like a post somebody else has made, and, feel it may violate XDA rules, then just "Report Post" instead of replying to it, and creating multiple posts back and forth that a Mod will have to come in and clean.
Simple enough?
Nothing else to see here.....
Sptz said:
Went from Galaxy S3 to Z3 Compact. Couldn't have asked for anything better really
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Same here [emoji106]
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GethPrime said:
To be honest, I don't think there'll be a Z4C for quite a while as from what I've heard Sony is planning to change their release schedule, to one highend phone per year. Mainly because that is what certain customers want and that Sonys budget ain't that good right now. Developing a new phone costs a ton of money.
Also, please tell me what that source is as this sounds like fake and unjustified rumors.
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If these rumors are true, then maybe they will launch their last compact model, before retiring.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2015/02/18/sonys-smartphone-surrender-abandoning-the-xperia/
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shafiq01 said:
If these rumors are true, then maybe they will launch their last compact model, before retiring.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2015/02/18/sonys-smartphone-surrender-abandoning-the-xperia/
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And the before mentioned rumor, I think it could be reliable, gsmarena.com usually hit spot on. Maybe its not true??
http://m.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z4_gets_certified_by_japanese_wireless_authority-news-10798.php
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