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Has anyone tried a stylus pen on the SGT? Was thinking about getting the DAGi stylus for my tab but before I did I wanted to know if anyone had any advice to give based on past experiences.
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Tyler
Boxwave!
I picked up a black Boxwave IPad 'Styra' (pen one end and stylus the other). I find it very accurate. Also tried a Pogo but found it pretty poor (too squishy and kind of fuzzy tip). If you search forvreviews youwill find heaps. All I need now is a decent handwriting recognition app. Tried several in the market and not impressed.
hey buddy i ordered a Dagi, ill recieve it in about a week. i liked the perciseness of it. so ill keep u posted how it is once i get it
Get the red dot pen by HTC. That's what I recommend, anyway. It's extremely precise. Just search google for "red dot stylus htc".
Anyone knows whether there is any palm rejection supported software out there for note taking on the tab? been seeing that the hardware supports it, but i dont think there is any good software to utilize it yet..
What like how the htc flyer notes app works? That uses specilist hardware so it wont work on the tab
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Hi all HTC did NOT make the pen for the flyer it was n-trig take a look at there web site just Google n-trig
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The screen for GT is supplied by Atmel and through web there was an interview with Atmel's product marketing Binay Bajaj saying
"There's something called "palm rejection." We support that. And unintended touches, which you can reject. We call it "grip," touching the screen from the side. We have something called "grip suppression." In spite of the grip, you can still use the device."
So I was hoping that the hardware for GT already supports it, but there is no software out in the market utilizing this feature yet.. unless I missed it. And yes, flyer's digitizer is supplied by n-trig and thats a different matter.
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Anyone knows whether there is any palm rejection supported software out there for note taking on the tab? been seeing that the hardware supports it, but i dont think there is any good software to utilize it yet..
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so the palm rejection isn't just automatic on the tab at all times? it has to be supported in specific apps?
that woudl suck if that's true. I figured it was just like that all the time.
either way we need some useful handwriting or other custom writing (jot?) style apps for the tab/android. otherwise a stylus is sort of an inconvenient gimmick, isn't it?
is it all the same type of stylus head in the market? from the after market product of stylus? i tried once but it feels of lag of motion, this an eraser head type (flat on the surface)
I got the "just mobile AluPen". Rounded eraser head type, but glides very easily. I got it for highlighting in PDFs.
Works quite ok. But not as well as my finger!
When you use it for Swype, the trace on the letters looks okay, but the recognition is way worse than with the finger. And you have to press a bit to get a good trace.
Stopped using it.
I got targus tablet stylus pen for 11€ including shipping.
It works okay, but its not as useful as I thought, finger is still working better, one has to press to hard and capacititve styluses aren't accurate enough.
Fingers are better...
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Fingers are better...
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sure they are, but even used a phone in -10°C?
Finger becomes useless when wet in rain or due to sweat hence we need a stylus as a backup in those extreme conditions.
even used a phone in -10°C?
Finger becomes useless when wet in rain or due to sweat hence we need a stylus as a backup in those extreme conditions
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Capacitive screens are rubbish at low temps, question: do styluses work with gloves on or do they need direct contact with the skin as a current path?
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do styluses work with gloves on or do they need direct contact with the skin as a current path?
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If you have capacitive stylus then they work with gloves you don't need direct skin contact.
Pogo stylus pen are the best for this purpose.
http://www.tenonedesign.com/stylus.php
Pogo stylus pen are the best for this purpose
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Tanks, I just order one from Amazon, I was going to buy an Trent battery pack anyway so I added the pogo to my trolley too
Regards
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Hi. The only thingb tat I hate about capacitive screen is, stylusses are very bad. They are not giving the real pen experience.
I used Pogo Sketch and Boxwave Stylusses. Which you find from these links:
http://www.tenonedesign.com/sketch.php
http://www.boxwave.com/products/capacitivestylus/apple-ipad-capacitive-stylus_3779.htm
Boxwave is significantly better that Pogo. You can write anything with Boxwave stylus with that big comfortably. With Pogo, you need to write bigger to get your handwriting recognized by the device.
I like take notes everytime in everywhere, so I need a capacitive stylus with a sharper tip.
I found MORE/REAL stylus cap: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1004382302/more-real-stylus-cap
and Nokia Capacitive Stylus SU-39: http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/carrying-and-styling/carrying-cases/nokia-capacitive-stylus-su-39
Also if the were a Pentel Airpen like Capacitive stylus, it would be so much nicer, beacause Pentel captures the strokes of your hand-drawings.
Is there any capacitive stylus with sharper tip that you suggest?
Thanks in advance.
Have you guys seen the HTC Flyer tablet presentation at the Barcelon WMC?
It features a stylus with a very pointy tip, which should work on a capacitive screen.
The rep mentioned it was new technology though.
If I am not mistaken, it also had two buttons for highlighting or writing functionality.
What do you think? Would that stylus also work on the Adam?
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litening said:
Have you guys seen the HTC Flyer tablet presentation at the Barcelon WMC?
It features a stylus with a very pointy tip, which should work on a capacitive screen.
The rep mentioned it was new technology though.
If I am not mistaken, it also had two buttons for highlighting or writing functionality.
What do you think? Would that stylus also work on the Adam?
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When I saw the HTC Flyer, I felt the same way as you. However, its tecnology is not just stylus, but with its N-Trig digitilizer. You can find more info about its digitilizer from here:
http://www.n-trig.com/Default.aspx
ifaraday stylus(es) - my purchase
Just to throw my two cents in:
I spend all day using a Wacom tablet and photoshop. So when I ordered my Adam I fully intended to use it for content creation, whether that's drawing or just writing. And I want a stylus.
I've been doing some hunting, and I stumbled on this:
ifaraday.com
Its obviously a home-based business, but this guy nailed it. I'm ordering the art pack. Do a google search just on ifaraday and you can watch the YouTube review of the caracature artist using the basic one.
and one of the review articles from another artist loves the artist pack.
I'll let you know my personal review when they come in.
Wizrd23.
@Wizrd23 I completely agree! That stylus seems amazing. Looking forward to your review!
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Just to throw my two cents in:
I spend all day using a Wacom tablet and photoshop. So when I ordered my Adam I fully intended to use it for content creation, whether that's drawing or just writing. And I want a stylus.
I've been doing some hunting, and I stumbled on this:
ifaraday.com
Its obviously a home-based business, but this guy nailed it. I'm ordering the art pack. Do a google search just on ifaraday and you can watch the YouTube review of the caracature artist using the basic one.
and one of the review articles from another artist loves the artist pack.
I'll let you know my personal review when they come in.
Wizrd23.
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@Wizrd23, did you get the stylus in the end? And was it worth it? Please let us know so we might be satisfied customers too.
Thanks
I reply this using iFaraday stylus and graffiti.
So far so good. It tracks nicely
I am waiting for my device but I want to buy samo accessories for it. This is my first capacitive tablet and I want to buy a good stylus for it. My wife will use it for drawing - so it will be nice if it is suitable for this too.
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I am waiting for my device but I want to buy samo accessories for it. This is my first capacitive tablet and I want to buy a good stylus for it. My wife will use it for drawing - so it will be nice if it is suitable for this too.
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http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/10/2925937/best-stylus-ipad-review
Personally, I got Andonit Jot Pro because I wanted to be able to write as thin as possible (when needed). Especially, at one point owning Note 10.1, I missed the S-pen experience. So I got Andonit Jot Pro based on the review for my transformer infinity, which i also tried to use on my wife's ipad 2.
Though I can tell you one thing. Capative screen stylus is nothing but a finger replacement. So accuracy is nowhere that of inductive technology e.g. Galaxy Note 10.1, Wacom Pen devices. Furthermore, there is no palm rejection i.e. as soon as your palm touches screen it recognizes the palm.
So to be honest, even cheap stylus would still do the job. if I could return my andonit stylus, I would have and just kept using my 3 for $5 stylus over $20+ Andoit Jot pro.
So, as far as the pressure sensitivity goes, the adonit joint pro does work? It's the lack of palm rejection that's bothersome?
EDIT: My bad, it's a capacitive stylus. There are pressure-sensitive styluses for Android, but I don't think they are supported in apps which makes them pretty useless.
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My bad, it's a capacitive stylus. There are pressure-sensitive styluses for Android, but I don't think they are supported in apps which makes them pretty useless.
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You are absolutely right. I believe at least on iPad people tried couple different things such as using bluetooth signal, or even using ultrasound to make pressure sensitivity. As you have figured those pen are usually very expensive. Last I recall are almost close to $100. Even the pressure sensitivity works (which i am still skeptical) but even then two major issues:
1. application support - just as you said. Each app has to support it individually and not many app does that. Simply because most android device don't have the capability. So why would devs implement such.
2. Lack of accuracy/palm rejection - Without these simply your writing experience won't be a real i.e. yes you can right here and there for fun, but for practical use such as taking note, you will quickly learn that actually doing such on real paper would be faster.
Careful with the Jot Pro. I own one, and it scratched the living daylights out of my Nexus 7 and Xoom. While it's by far the most precise (since it let's you look at the precise location where you will write), it's not worth it to me if it means scratching the screen. I also refuse to use a screen protector because of how they make my fingers feel when swiping across the screen.
As a decent replacement, I now use the Boxwave Evertouch, which I bought on Amazon for about $10. It's nowhere near as precise as the Jot Pro, but it won't scratch my precious N10. I still use the Jot Pro on my Xoom and N7 since they're already scratched.
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You are absolutely right. I believe at least on iPad people tried couple different things such as using bluetooth signal, or even using ultrasound to make pressure sensitivity. As you have figured those pen are usually very expensive. Last I recall are almost close to $100. Even the pressure sensitivity works (which i am still skeptical) but even then two major issues:
1. application support - just as you said. Each app has to support it individually and not many app does that. Simply because most android device don't have the capability. So why would devs implement such.
2. Lack of accuracy/palm rejection - Without these simply your writing experience won't be a real i.e. yes you can right here and there for fun, but for practical use such as taking note, you will quickly learn that actually doing such on real paper would be faster.
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I used a Cosmonaut stylus for a year on an IPad 2 with the Notheshelf App. It was a great stylus and the app gave you what they called "wrist protection". Basically horizontal and perpendicular lines where you could set your palm without leaving marks, so you could write just with the stylus. (they don't have this app for android... i asked them)
Now that I am moving to a Nexus 10 (my first android device) I am looking for an App with this characteristics. Can anyone recommend one?
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I used a Cosmonaut stylus for a year on an IPad 2 with the Notheshelf App. It was a great stylus and the app gave you what they called "wrist protection". Basically horizontal and perpendicular lines where you could set your palm without leaving marks, so you could write just with the stylus. (they don't have this app for android... i asked them)
Now that I am moving to a Nexus 10 (my first android device) I am looking for an App with this characteristics. Can anyone recommend one?
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I think lectures notes has a "palm safe zone"
I'II have to monitor my screen for scratches from the Jot stylus. I found I was having to grip the stylus too hard because of the aluminum body of the stylus. Also, any dirt or oils on the screen greatly reduce the sensitively of the Jot stylus, even trapping dirt between the hard plastic stylus tip and screen. Therefore, those of you using the Jot may wish to consider keeping your screen really clean. A second idea that has really helped is getting a length of heat-shrink tubing from an electronics store and shrinking it around the barrel of the stylus. This has given me a much more comfortable grip.
However, I will have to keep an eye out for scratches. So far, so good.
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I am waiting for my device but I want to buy samo accessories for it. This is my first capacitive tablet and I want to buy a good stylus for it. My wife will use it for drawing - so it will be nice if it is suitable for this too.
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I think Adonit jot very good. I use with Google Nexus 7, very good when writing and painting. Can you search in google, have so much shop sale it
Hope you have product like early
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I think lectures notes has a "palm safe zone"
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Correct, & Papyrus Beta also has palm recognition. (Pressure sure there's one more app too, maybe Antipaper.)
As for the stylus, I currently have a cheap Griffin stylus and a Wacom Bamboo stylus. Between the two, Wacom's Bamboo stylus seems to be very popular and IMO it is much more accurate than the cheapo options.
I use the Bamboo pretty much everyday to take notes in class, it's a great option if your looking for an alternative to the Adonit stylus.
I'm getting the gosmart , it has the thinnest most Accurate tip and its got a spring on the front that makes it pressure sensatibe in a way
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Saw this on appy geek this morning:
http://tabtimes.com/news/ittech-acc...new-stylus-pens-android-and-windows-8-tablets
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Saw this on appy geek this morning:
http://tabtimes.com/news/ittech-acc...new-stylus-pens-android-and-windows-8-tablets
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Only works with Galaxy Note.
http://hexus.net/ce/items/gadgets/4...now-using-mobile-devices-will-feel-different/
pogo connect
I have been doing some research on stylus out there and the Pogo Connect seams to be one of the best things out there. Its supposed to work through Bluetooth
anyone knows if it will work with our Nexus 10 and if there are Android apps that will support it? that would be great!
I'm beginning to see a few scratches on my screen from the Jot Pro. It looks like a single event as if a small grain of sand got caught between the stylus and screen. I may try some sort of screen protector.
Has anyone reported scratches from other styli?
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I send an email to the guys that manufacture the Pogo Connect, this is their answer, sorry:
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Thanks for writing in. Pogo Connect is not compatible with Android tablets. We'd love to see Pogo Connect be as universal as possible, including support for Android systems. We've talked through some compatibility ideas, but we're just not sure yet if we'll be able to make it happen.
Feel free to let me know if you have any other questions.
Best Regards,
Ashley Skinner
Ten One Design
so i am thinking of getting the jotpro stylus for my nexus 10 but after reading this thread i am a bit concerned with the scratched issue some users talked about. does it come from the stylus or because of sand or something trapped between the screen and the plastic plate? i want to use the stylus indoors for notes on my university.
Hand stylus is amazing. 4mm tip gives great accuracy. Also you can get 6 replacement tips for $10.
When I say sand, I'm not referring to beach or outdoor sand. I'm referring to tiny abrasive particles, normally too small to notice. Perhaps I should have said dirt, contaminants, or some other term. The hard plastic tip of the Jot pro requires more downwards force than other styli. I don't believe the tip itself does the scratching, but hard tiny debris pressed into the glass by the Jot pro.
Has any one tried the Jot pro with a screen protector?
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Hand stylus is amazing. 4mm tip gives great accuracy. Also you can get 6 replacement tips for $10.
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Link?
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Anyone know of a good fine-point pen for talking notes and drawing on the nexus? I currently have the rather large conventional tablet pen but I was hoping to get a finner point pen. A anyone know of a good model? If possible please provide a link to a store brand. Thank you!
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Anyone know of a good fine-point pen for talking notes and drawing on the nexus? I currently have the rather large conventional tablet pen but I was hoping to get a finner point pen. A anyone know of a good model? If possible please provide a link to a store brand. Thank you!
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adonit and dagi
google them, first link. this form won't let me post links.
both has tips that fakes a fine point; a see through tip basically. other than that, a fine point is not possible on this type of display.
I've ordered one of these from Amazon (UK):
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001B1XLSK/ref=pe_217191_31005151_3p_dp_1
It's meant to have a finer tip, but will have to see when it arrives
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I just saw the adonit version has also a pressure sensitive version if you are looking to take serious notes or draw. but a regular fine point will only help to see where you are writing, they're all the same.
Anything less than $20?
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I have a stylus I got at wallgreens. It is not fine point, but it is small and acts fine point-ish. Was only 5 dollars, and works great for precision use like drawing. U can find them by the checkout.
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I have a stylus I got at wallgreens. It is not fine point, but it is small and acts fine point-ish. Was only 5 dollars, and works great for precision use like drawing. U can find them by the checkout.
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Any chance you can provide a picture of that stylus? Snap a crappy photo with a phone camera or, the Nexus 7 perhaps?
I have a Walgreens like 2 blocks away and I've yet to see anything like that at one, but there are several others here in Las Vegas I can check on, just need to know what I'm looking for, or a brand name, product/model number, etc. If you have the original receipt for it when you bought it, the Walgreens SKU code (product number) would help too.
Here are the three pictures. The blue one is the walgreens one. The black is a normal size stylus. The head half the size at least. It not fine point but small enough to help.
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"This is the Droid I have been looking for!"
Adonit is the best I've seen. However these capacitive touch screens aren't going to give you fine control. That's the downside to the technology. The Adonits have smaller contacts but won't magically give you a pressure sensitive pen such as a Galaxy Note. It has additional screen tech layers that give it that ability.
Just don't want you to be dissatisfied or have too high of hopes.
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I just ordered the Kuel H10. I'll let you know how it is once it arrives if you're interested. I had another one but that was pretty bad, so I'm hoping the Kuel is an improvement.
You won't get something fine tipped like a ball point with a capacitive screen. The screen needs a large area (Relative to a fine tipped stylus) the size of a finger tip close to the screen, and takes the center of the area interacting with the screen to find the tap point.
The way the Note, Note 2, etc get a fine tipped stylus is by using additional technology to the capacitive screen.
The closest thing you can get is a stylus that has a pad the correct area, and has a pivot at the pad to provide the approximate feel of a fine tipped stylus like so:
This is an adonit Jotpro.
They still have the drag of a larger stylus, but give a pretty good feel. Be prepared to spend a bit more; a jotpro is around $25.
The tips on those things are pretty fragile I hear. Have not tried them myself.
My Kuel H10 just arrived today, and so far I like it. Though it's absolutely tiny.. and I have small hands. For someone with big hands it would feel like a toothpick almost. The tip on it is pretty great though, so that's a plus.
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You won't get something fine tipped like a ball point with a capacitive screen. The screen needs a large area (Relative to a fine tipped stylus) the size of a finger tip close to the screen, and takes the center of the area interacting with the screen to find the tap point.
The way the Note, Note 2, etc get a fine tipped stylus is by using additional technology to the capacitive screen.
The closest thing you can get is a stylus that has a pad the correct area, and has a pivot at the pad to provide the approximate feel of a fine tipped stylus like so:
This is an adonit Jotpro.
They still have the drag of a larger stylus, but give a pretty good feel. Be prepared to spend a bit more; a jotpro is around $25.
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Picked up one of these from Frys. Works reasonably well, but I notice some "skips" when drawing lines. Still overall pretty good.
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Anyone know of a good fine-point pen for talking notes and drawing on the nexus? I currently have the rather large conventional tablet pen but I was hoping to get a finner point pen. A anyone know of a good model? If possible please provide a link to a store brand. Thank you!
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I bought the BoxWave EverTouch about three weeks ago and I really like it. The main challenge with using any stylus on a tablet is not touching your palm to the screen, but after I've adjusted to it, I really enjoy using it. I primarily utilize it to take notes at school, but I've recently begun doing my calculus homework and exporting it as pdf in FreeNote. The microfiber tip has virtually no drag on the screen and while it's not as precise as the adonit jot pro, it's much more durable and I feel like it holds up quite well. Not bad for $10.
The biggest downside of using this stylus is the diameter of the tip is bigger than I want. After a bit of adjusting I can make mostly accurate marks but I'm still on the lookout for a stylus with this same capacitive microfiber tip with a smaller diameter.
Look for "Boxwave EverTouch" on amazon.
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Picked up one of these from Frys. Works reasonably well, but I notice some "skips" when drawing lines. Still overall pretty good.
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yeah I had to sell mines because of the skipping issues when drawing especially with "draw something with friends"
Currently using a generic capacitive stylus and it does not work great. Mind sharing your stylus and share your thoughts?
To be honest if you really want a tablet with a stylus, you should have gone with either the SGTS4 or the SGTS6 as both of those have the S-Pen. Which is the best stylus for a device.
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To be honest if you really want a tablet with a stylus, you should have gone with either the SGTS4 or the SGTS6 as both of those have the S-Pen. Which is the best stylus for a device.
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To be honest, this is not helpful to tell someone they should have gone with another tablet for stylus support. How does this help?
I have the Galaxy Tab S5e because it's cheaper. Many styli do work on most if not all tablets. The only thing that tablets that have official stylus support offer is pressure sensitivity and palm rejection. Two features which are only necessary for artists. For taking notes, I don't give a F about pressure sensitivity nor do I rest my palm on the screen/ paper when I write.
I'll be testing some styli and get back to OP.
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To be honest, this is not helpful to tell someone they should have gone with another tablet for stylus support. How does this help?
I have the Galaxy Tab S5e because it's cheaper. Many styli do work on most if not all tablets. The only thing that tablets that have official stylus support offer is pressure sensitivity and palm rejection. Two features which are only necessary for artists. For taking notes, I don't give a F about pressure sensitivity nor do I rest my palm on the screen/ paper when I write.
I'll be testing some styli and get back to OP.
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It helps by telling you you are wasting you time looking for a stylus for the S5e. There are two types of stylus. A plain capacitive touchscreen stylus that won't draw a line any finer than you can with your finger, and an electronic one like the S-Pen that will draw a line like a ballpoint pen. But the electronic one won't work with the S5e, so don't bother looking for one. They require a second digitizer that is situated behind the LCD and the S5e doesn't have one. The cost of that second digitizer is why the S-Pen tablets are more expensive. The pens themselves are fairly cheap.
I have Adonit stylus Dash 3 Silver, it works pretty well. It has problem when you are trying draw really slowly, It makes some weird curved lines. But I am using Sketchbook by Autodesk and it has some line smoothing what really helps.
Hi there
Let's be a bit more positive
I use a meko stylus. They are double ended.
One end is the normal blunt sort of stylus, which is great for on screen typing, while the other has a clear disc which allows you to see exactly where the fine center is touching the screen.
The actual stylus looks like a high quality steel pen with rubber finger grip
I bought a set of two 'pens' with 6 spare tips from Amazon for around £10 over a year ago and have only used 2 of the spare tips
Excellent quality and value. Highly recomanded.
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Hi there
Let's be a bit more positive
I use a meko stylus. They are double ended.
One end is the normal blunt sort of stylus, which is great for on screen typing, while the other has a clear disc which allows you to see exactly where the fine center is touching the screen.
The actual stylus looks like a high quality steel pen with rubber finger grip
I bought a set of two 'pens' with 6 spare tips from Amazon for around £10 over a year ago and have only used 2 of the spare tips
Excellent quality and value. Highly recomanded.
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I will grant you that that type of stylus beats the kind you can buy for about 50 cents each. But it is still a capacitive stylus that won't produce the fine line of an electronic one. There are apps which attempt to produce a "fine line" by extrapolating what would be the center of the "fat" line, but the results leave a lot to be desired. Bottom line, if you are serious needing a good stylus for your device, you need to purchase a tablet that was made for one. It's easy to tell. If the tablet didn't come with a stylus, it wasn't made for one.
Seems I've been handing out mistaken advice about stylii for "touch only" tablets. S-Pen and other "Wacom" based stylii DO require a second digitzer to work and most tablets simply don't have them. HOWEVER, I puchased a BoxWave Active Sylus because it was touted to work with my HP Envy X360 laptop. Just to prove it wouldn't work with a "touch only" tablet, I tried it with both my SM-T510 and T720 tablets. Much to my surprise, it works with both of them. I've never used a stylus for drawing, so I can't guarantee it works as well as an S-Pen, but it does produce a "ballpoint pen" type line in the drawing apps I tried. Also, the line width doesn't appear to be "pressure sensitive". I was able to buy mine on eBay for about $20, new with free shipping.