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Found the datasheet on MSM7200A, would be pleased if any of you guys check it and compare it to iPhone graphics chip
Xperia proccessor MSM7200A, with integrated graphics chip
iPhone graphics chip PowerVR MBX-Lite (Sorry no datasheet)
Since the most popular (because of its app store, games quantity) is iPhone,
And I must say iPhone games are really superb for a graphics aspect, imo best graphics in mobile phones/pda/smartphones field. (like Sims 3, NFS Undercover), I wonder if Xperia could do the same.
In GSM arena, I discovered that iPhone graphics chip is Powervr MBX-Lite (On iPhone & iPhone 3G), featuring OpenGL ES 1.1, OpenVG 1.0, Direct3D and of course full 2D/3D support, which, compared MSM7200A integrated ATi accelaration, well, really Im not a Pro out here, so I've just found a Datasheet on this.
Not to tell about the WM gaming industry, which is ermm "....", but the fact, hope, that we could have this...
Now we have almost everything - itje, who dedicated very much to xda (his roms, other deeds are priceless) ((ofcourse his Touch-IT testing team, who not only answer touch-it related questions but is active like everyhwere)) other Rom and active app's/ xda contributors like gtrab, smaberg, jackleung,Tnyynt, fingerkeyboard makers, HTC encoder makers, other guys, fixing our phone bugs, creating soft for us,moderators... I could go on and on
naming these great people, who raised up our xperia from stock to almost perfection.
So only issue is...(for me ) gaming.
Heard that EA, gameloft are porting iPhone games to newer WM devices, but, I dont think that these sources are...well...realistic.
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Been looking in forums, web, to be precise, everywhere, even Xperia X1 White Paper, but Still havent got clarified answer on what Graphics chip does Xperia use. So I made several assumptions, by checking the information a little bit.
As common answer is Xperia uses ATI Imageon 2700, in Wikipedia there's no such chip number as "2700", also, Products with Imageon well, there's no xperia!
Imo, variants Xperia graphics chip is "Imageon 2388/2380" or "Imageon 2300" (If its even Imageon) , just need you guys to clarify this.
Just why I am making this thread - since Xperia is very versatile, like music/internet/messaging/videos with qwerty and etc. the only problem (for me), well, not as a problem, but as a shortage - gaming.
We have ScuMMM, sNes, sega, even PSX emu's, and maybe one game, who shows what Xperia is capable of - Xtrakt.
Since the most popular (because of its app store, games quantity) is iPhone,
And I must say iPhone games are really superb for a graphics aspect, imo best graphics in mobile phones/pda/smartphones field. (like Sims 3, NFS Undercover), I wonder if Xperia could do the same.
In GSM arena, I discovered that iPhone graphics chip is Powervr MBX-Lite (On iPhone & iPhone 3G), featuring OpenGL ES 1.1, OpenVG 1.0, Direct3D and of course full 2D/3D support, which, compared to "Imageon 2388/2380", is "almost" equal (dunno about Direct3D, although I think its not supported by Imageon) , so if any of you would tell whats the Xperia graphics chip, we would clarify the fact that we "could" enjoy the iPhone graphics (^^)
Not to tell about the WM gaming industry, which is ermm "....", but the fact, hope, that we could have this...
Now we have almost everything - itje, who dedicated very much to xda (his roms, other deeds are priceless) ((ofcourse his Touch-IT testing team, who not only answer touch-it related questions but is active like everyhwere)) other Rom and active app's/ xda contributors like gtrab, smaberg, jackleung,Tnyynt, fingerkeyboard makers, HTC encoder makers, other guys, fixing our phone bugs, creating soft for us,moderators... I could go on and on
naming these great people, who raised up our xperia from stock to almost perfection.
So only issue is...(for me ) gaming.
Heard that EA, gameloft are porting iPhone games to newer WM devices, but, I dont think that these sources are...well...realistic.
My target is to clarify Xperia graphics potential, know full information about graphics chip
P.S. Yes I've searched xda/google for this like crazy. Sorry for this thread to go as a poem.
P.S.S. Yes Xperia is business class phone, but hey, why not to dream? It still has got one of the best HW on WM devices around.
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Could you maybe find out by taking the x1 apart and looking at all of the chips? I looked at some videos online but couldnt see the names on any chips - not sure if it would even say but it seems as if it could work - i looked around a bit too and i keep hearing about the Imageon 2300 but i cant confirm it sorry
the ati part is not a chip it's intergrated into the qualcomm cpu
http://www.google.dk/search?source=ig&hl=da&rlz=&q=MSM7200a+ati&btnG=Google-søgning&aq=f&oq=
more info
Well its not the 2300, here a quote from ati "Imageon 2300 integrates an advanced 2D and 3D graphics engine, MPEG-4 video decoder, JPEG encoding/decoding, and a 2 Mega pixel camera sub-system processing engine. With support for up to 2MB of ultra low-power SDRAM, it "
link:http://ati.amd.com/products/imageon2300/
since we have (being said) 128 mb shared ram and ive also read some where in some sheet that we have an tuned up gpu. (this is all speculative tho)
and why do the touch pro have 288 and we 256 ram? do we have a better gpu needing more ram ?
Updated the post, please check, now only we need guys to compare both phones graphics capability.
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Well its not the 2300, here a quote from ati "Imageon 2300 integrates an advanced 2D and 3D graphics engine, MPEG-4 video decoder, JPEG encoding/decoding, and a 2 Mega pixel camera sub-system processing engine. With support for up to 2MB of ultra low-power SDRAM, it "
link:http://ati.amd.com/products/imageon2300/
since we have (being said) 128 mb shared ram and ive also read some where in some sheet that we have an tuned up gpu. (this is all speculative tho)
and why do the touch pro have 288 and we 256 ram? do we have a better gpu needing more ram ?
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Seems like SE/HTC made some kind of adjustment with these GPU on xperia's MSM7200A, wondering what, so your guessing might be right about better xperia's gpu, or its just that touch pro's all interface/oem/os modifications are more "hungry" for ram.
Just for curiosity, new released iPhone 3GS has PowerVR SGX535 graphics, also SE iDou has same chip from SGX family (530 one), so we can expect awesome graphics, chip's techinical capabilities are very big:
# next generation fully programmable universal scalable shader architecture
# exceeding requirements of OpenGL 2.0 and up to DirectX 10.1 Shader Model 4.1
Just that 3GS's chip will be better than iDou's (535 - 28MPolys/s , 530 - 14 MPolys/s)
soo..... where can we find an D3D drivers for X1i?
Hi,
i am pending between Desire and the N1 my doubts are:
1- How about the extra ram benefits of the Desire RAM: 576 MB versus the 512 MB RAM of the Nexus?
2- i know that HTC have a very strong XDA community so i am concerned that in the future XDA Roms and hacks for N1 are more faster droped then the HTC desire because although it is known that both use the same hardware but the Desire have more RAM, radio and perhaps a a better camera ("offering a solid 30 frames per second at D1 quality. The Nexus One only has D1 recording at a minimum of 20 frames per second") and perhaps other stuff so in the future let´s say when Android 2.3 gets out one can´t put it on N1 although there is a cooked rom for Desire because there are slight hardware differences
1. Yes, the desire has more ram, some will be required for Sense UI to run well, some more might be used for running programs
2. i think developers will naturally be attracted to the nexus one over the desire because the nexus one is a developer phone, it is easily hackable, and very flexible. the sense UI is proprietary which adds an extra problems when trying to fiddle with it.
Thanks for the fast response liam.lah
I mean if the the extra ram of the Desire RAM: 576 MB versus the 512 MB RAM of the Nexus will make a significant difference?
Have you considered the fact that n1 will get instant updates when google releases a new version of android? htc will make you wait a bit before they release their updated senseui+rom. i think that would also annoy devs.
the extra ram will benefit the sense ui interface, by making it smoother, but n1 doesnt have sense ui so that 64mb ram isnt making a difference to n1's speed.
edit: the desire also looks alil uglier - in my opinion (the buttons at the bottom ruin the sleek look)
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edit: the desire also looks alil uglier - in my opinion (the buttons at the bottom ruin the sleek look)
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I completely agree
Don't forget that sometimes HTC seems to artificially hold back updates to help sales of new models.
Look at the Hero/Legend. Same damn phone pretty much, but HTC isn't pushing an update to 2.1 to the Hero so it doesn't cannibalize sales of the Legend, which is sitting at 2.1 with identical guts inside. Totally artificial roadblock.
Who knows if that will happen with the Desire and some future HTC model.
Also..The desire does not have North American 3G, so that would be a dealbreaker for me personally.
the RAM makes no difference in my opinion. its virtually identical.
Thanks all
i already order my Nexus One
I already seen an review where the Desire was a little slower compared to the N1 because because of the sense ui. The reviewer said that the Sense ui in the HD mini was more fluid and the mini has an 600 mghz Qualcomm CPU/GPU. I can´t remember if it´s the first time that HTC puts its ui in an Android phone i know that they do that in Winmo phones since the Kayser so maybe it´s more optimized for this OS. But the reviewer didn´t tell also who many colors each cphone was using.
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Thanks for the fast response liam.lah
I mean if the the extra ram of the Desire RAM: 576 MB versus the 512 MB RAM of the Nexus will make a significant difference?
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't HTC often include the modems RAM in its total RAM. So the ram is actually the same. It makes sense. Why would HTC add 64 mb extra RAM it's just kind of weird, they would have to add a whole new chip for just 64 mb.
I already seen an review where the Desire was a little slower compared to the N1 because because of the sense ui. The reviewer said that the Sense ui in the HD mini was more fluid and the mini has an 600 mghz Qualcomm CPU/GPU. I can´t remember if it´s the first time that HTC puts its ui in an Android phone i know that they do that in Winmo phones since the Kayser so maybe it´s more optimized for this OS. But the reviewer didn´t tell also who many colors each cphone was using.
One thing to be aware of regarding the GN1 is that it actually ***IS*** an HTC phone, which means that the updates are STILL in the hands of HTC. Direct from the horse's mouth, google again screwed up and failed to insist that HTC hand over the full source code and specifications.
Just like HTC DREAM support was dropped prematurely, GN1 will suffer the exact same fate.
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Why would HTC add 64 mb extra RAM it's just kind of weird, they would have to add a whole new chip for just 64 mb.
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It does seem odd, especially since the 512MB RAM and FLASH of the N1 are both in a single chip, I don't know if that's true for the Desire too?
I was thinking that perhaps the additional 64MB was "bundled" in some other chip on the phone(s), but only enabled on the Desire?
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edit: the desire also looks alil uglier - in my opinion (the buttons at the bottom ruin the sleek look)
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Next to the Nexus One, the Desire looks like it was designed by those Volvo engineers canned in the 80's for making their cars so ugly!
Just kidding, the Desire is still a nice looking piece of harware, but I like the lines of the Nexis One better.
And yes, the N1 is a Dev phone, dirt simple to modify and updates will be available for it faster. Rooting the Desire so far is a lot more involved. (Paul @Modaco.com) just completed the task today for SOME of them.
The upside for Desire development is that it's likely to sell 25 times better than the N1, meaning that there are going to be plenty of people (including Paul) tinkering with it.
I don't think you can go wrong with either one, but my personal preference is still the N1 over anything currently available. In time, I am sure that will change.
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One thing to be aware of regarding the GN1 is that it actually ***IS*** an HTC phone, which means that the updates are STILL in the hands of HTC. Direct from the horse's mouth, google again screwed up and failed to insist that HTC hand over the full source code and specifications.
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Unless you're the horse, I'd like to see the link to the horse's mouth.
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I already seen an review where the Desire was a little slower compared to the N1 because because of the sense ui. The reviewer said that the Sense ui in the HD mini was more fluid and the mini has an 600 mghz Qualcomm CPU/GPU. I can´t remember if it´s the first time that HTC puts its ui in an Android phone i know that they do that in Winmo phones since the Kayser so maybe it´s more optimized for this OS. But the reviewer didn´t tell also who many colors each cphone was using.
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Not the first for SenseUI in Android - only the first time in Eclair.
Somebody offered me a nokia lumia 800. Should i accept it? I mean it has 1.5GHz Qualcomm single-core processor and everithing else like the o 2X has exept the 5mp camera. What Do You THink?
Lumia has a 1,4Ghz CPU. And it's running WP7.5 :laugh: :laugh:
Lumia 800 has a slightly smaller screen (3.7 inches) than Optimus 2x (4.0 inches).
And where did you read that Optimus 2x has a 5 mp camera?
But honestly, I'd recommend you to stick with O2X, at least until we get a stable CM10 (if you're rooted) or the official ICS update rolls out
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Lumia has a 1,4Ghz CPU. And it's running WP7.5 :laugh: :laugh:
Lumia 800 has a slightly smaller screen (3.7 inches) than Optimus 2x (4.0 inches).
And where did you read that Optimus 2x has a 5 mp camera?
But honestly, I'd recommend you to stick with O2X, at least until we get a stable CM10 (if you're rooted) or the official ICS update rolls out
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I reffered to the lumia 800 that it has 5megapixel camera not the o2x.....and what is the problem with the 7.5 os? the cpu is fine it is 1.5GHz and it is qualcomm why it is the o2x better? just because it has dualcore....I don't really like it beacause the games are not running in hd like asphalt 7 or nfs most wanted....and yes I have installed cm10 nightly and the phone is much more powerfull and fast smooth etc.....but i want gaming on the phone and I prefer windows phone os han android
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I reffered to the lumia 800 that it has 5megapixel camera not the o2x.....and what is the problem with the 7.5 os? the cpu is fine it is 1.5GHz and it is qualcomm why it is the o2x better? just because it has dualcore....I don't really like it beacause the games are not running in hd like asphalt 7 or nfs most wanted....and yes I have installed cm10 nightly and the phone is much more powerfull and fast smooth etc.....but i want gaming on the phone and I prefer windows phone os han android
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It looked as if you meant that the O2x had an 5mp camera, but anyway, who told you the Lumia 800 has an 5mp camera and 1.5Ghz CPU?
Full specs:
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_800-4240.php
As for the gaming, it's pretty much up to you. You're the one supposed to enjoy it so you should decide on that matter
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It looked as if you meant that the O2x had an 5mp camera, but anyway, who told you the Lumia 800 has an 5mp camera and 1.5Ghz CPU?
Full specs:
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_800-4240.php
As for the gaming, it's pretty much up to you. You're the one supposed to enjoy it so you should decide on that matter
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ohhhh:laugh: first of all excuse me ) I readed the specs but i dont know why i wrote there 5mp camera and 1.5ghz sorry really sorry ) ......So the lumia has 8mp like the o2x better display the pixel density is bigger and it has Nokia ClearBlack display and qualcomm cpu.....I don't think that the lumia 800 is worse than the o2x the differences are the cpu, os and battery...do you think that the lumia is worse than o2x? and thank you for your answers
windows phone as i read a little in google lumia or windows phone is like apple that doesn't share their codes so this is a locked phone like apple they can't share files via bluetooth with other smartphone brand it's windows to windows only
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windows phone as i read a little in google lumia or windows phone is like apple that doesn't share their codes so this is a locked phone like apple they can't share files via bluetooth with other smartphone brand it's windows to windows only
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this doesn't matter.....I didn't used the bluetooth so much so this thing will not affect me
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this doesn't matter.....I didn't used the bluetooth so much so this thing will not affect me
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It's not just the Bluetooth - the complete lack of an accessible file system in WP7.5 (and probably Wp7.8) means that you can't transfer files between a PC and the phone unless the PC has Zune installed (a la iTunes). And if you want to transfer files off the phone to a computer you don't own, and you can't install Zune on it, you're SOL. And if you want to connect the phone by USB to most stereos, the stereo won't be able to read the music files. This is a huge flaw that even BB7 and Symbian lack.
in other words, if you use your phone like a flash drive, avoid both WP and iOS like the plague.
WP8 Apollo addressed this flaw, with full UMS support, so if you're dead set on a Windows Phone, I'd recommend going for a WP8 model.
On a side note, the presence of an accessible file system in WP8 bumped it from a "fat chance" to a "maybe" on my future purchase list. While it's not as open as I'd like, I respect the fact that WP is somewhat "unified" in that OEMs aren't allowed to put awful skins on it, and that the specs are somewhat constant across the board which makes updates easier to optimize for a wide range of devices. If Android were to do this, it'd really be perfect.
I like lumia but i cant buy because have no money. Or else you gonna gave me free lols. Thanks if there someone gave is.
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ilooze, ask yourself this; what do I want that the O2X don't have? You know, just don't think of it as a phone LG made, but rather something that the developers on this forum extended to a point that LG isn't needed.
Use common sense and you'll realize that the O2X has pretty much everything you need from a phone.
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ilooze, ask yourself this; what do I want that the O2X don't have? You know, just don't think of it as a phone LG made, but rather something that the developers on this forum extended to a point that LG isn't needed.
Use common sense and you'll realize that the O2X has pretty much everything you need from a phone.
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well...it has the nokia clearblack screen the 1.5ghz qualcomm processor...the os....the design....and better support...I know that this device wont get wp8 but anyway it is more supported than our o2x by LG not by xda-developers
I don't think it's a good idea to switch ,Windows phone is ios like ,VERY closed ,you can't do all the tweaks you can made on android ,you can't use your phone the way you like ,you can't use it as a standard Mass storage , the following of Nokia/LG will be the same ,the lumia is stuck to 7.8 .....no upgrades......:crying:
and to finish ,the Lg display is quiet good, and go to a smaller screen won't be comfortable fo you :cyclops:
ilooze said:
well...it has the nokia clearblack screen the 1.5ghz qualcomm processor...the os....the design....and better support...I know that this device wont get wp8 but anyway it is more supported than our o2x by LG not by xda-developers
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Official support doesn't matter if the support doesn't deliver functionality.
As of 2012, unmodded Android 2.2 (or even 2.1) is far more capable than WP7.8, and definitely stomps any version of iOS. Yes, it's nice that even the iPhone 3GS receives at least part of the iOS 6 update. But if that update doesn't bring its capabilities in line with the two-year-old Froyo, then what's the point?
Yes, the Lumia has awesome hardware and aesthetics, and if the aesthetics are a big selling point for you, fair enough.
Another caveat to watch out for - with WP7.5 and probably 7.8, the multitasking implementation is TERRIBLE. Their method of hibernating apps means that 3rd party apps that use push notifications are unable to function properly - you need to keep reopening the app every few hours to prevent it from "deep sleeping" and thus being completely unable to receive notifications. So if you open whatsapp once, then close it for a day or so without reopening it, any new messages you get after will never be received until you reopen the app manually. To be fair this method allows for good battery life and prevents the phone from lagging, but for those who rely on IMing this is unacceptable.
In other words, if you're a heavy user of Whatsapp, Google Talk, Facebook chat, etc then even Blackberry 7 is a better platform than WP. I did read that WP8 has proper multitasking so the problem may be solved there, but hey, it ain't coming to the old Lumias.
You don't have to be a "power user" (i.e. the kind who likes flashing custom ROMs) to benefit from the openness of Android vs WP or iOS. The issues of an inaccessible file system and poor multitasking affect everyone, not just us CM-obsessed types.
Btw, here's something ironic: Microsoft designed the Sync infotainment system in my car, which can read music off a USB device if the device is either Apple or it has an accessible file system. The only smartphone OS that can't connect via USB happens to be WP7, made by Microsoft.
edit: I hope you don't think I'm trying to badmouth WP as the devil... I acknowledge it has its strengths, and anyone who's comfortable with iOS, will be right at home with WP. However, someone who's used Android custom ROMs, is probably a different demographic and I'm just pointing out that WP isn't exactly suited for it, even less so than BlackBerry.
And old lumia after 1 update microsoft drop their support for it but in xda as long as their is important codes release by RC it keeps evolving and stabilizing, microsoft only support now for the new lumia 900 and the lumia in the future but the old ones? Never mind
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Remember, it's not just getting updates that's important, it's what comes in the updates that also matters. Ask yourself - that iPhone 3GS may have "excellent" update support, but do those updates actually make the phone better than android?
Hello guys
I want to know how much better is Snapdragon s4 compared with Intel's Medfield
1st Google search result...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/18/motorolas-razr-i-benchmarks-intel-2ghz-medfield
But in reality the RAZR is pretty snappy, very fast in daily usage.
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Hello guys
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Better is the key word...you might be more interested in benchmarks or actual phone use. I don't use benchmarks any more. The RAZR i is a great example of a phone that doesn't have the best benchmarks but in day-to-day use it competes perfectly with some of the phones with 'faster' CPUs. If you Google comparisons with other phones they say that in real usage, you cannot spot a different with a typical dual-core 1.5 / 1.7. This is one of the reasons I don't use bencmarks any more. Theory is theory, not life.
Note that the Medfield chip is the first phone with hyperthreading - it simulates multiple cores by doubling the amount of calculations sent to the CPU. Also, the review posted above quotes the Medfield as being more power efficient, resulting in one extra hour of battery life than the M.
An XDA member has made a comparison of usage here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1921838
Razr i rockz!! I had s2,iPhone 3g,4, bold 9900, xperia z, xperia Ray and Galaxy nexus....
But the i is my best phone all the time!! Long battery, nice notification led, good quality and best haptic!
lg
Hi
Before buying the Razr i did a lot of research between Sony's developer friends since I attended much of the development forum Sony. So my developer friends do not like a single core processor. They say that Android works better with more amounts of nuclei. My doubt was whether the Xperia S was better than the Razr i. Some people say that the Xperia S is better, but I can say I bought Razr ie the Intel is very good, but it is good even super powerful and does not lack ... It was like our friend said maybe your reference points in is not as high, but for a mobile use everyday regarding games, internet browsing everything i Razr cell phone is great. The battery on Intel Android is a revolution has high consumption. In Xperia S saw many complaints that the battery is not even 1 day of use. And with my Razr i I move a lot and play a lot and the battery has 2 days of shelf life
hey all
its about 1 month since i started to search what my new smart phone (my first actually) should be.....now the last battle is between xperia z and lumia 920.....i hate that there rnt many videos about them together on YouTube....i just have 2 points to ask about....screen and processor....i know that u will say Z is HD and 441 PPI 5 inch..........and lumia is 4.5 .HD and so........i know it i just want some1 who tried both is there rly big difference in the display?.....the same about processor..Big difference?.......i saw the theoritical way....i need to hear about ur practice ^_^
BTW i cant try both phones as neither of them is in my city......thats why iam asking u Friends ^_^
thanks in advance
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hey all
its about 1 month since i started to search what my new smart phone (my first actually) should be.....now the last battle is between xperia z and lumia 920.....i hate that there rnt many videos about them together on YouTube....i just have 2 points to ask about....screen and processor....i know that u will say Z is HD and 441 PPI 5 inch..........and lumia is 4.5 .HD and so........i know it i just want some1 who tried both is there rly big difference in the display?.....the same about processor..Big difference?.......i saw the theoritical way....i need to hear about ur practice ^_^
BTW i cant try both phones as neither of them is in my city......thats why iam asking u Friends ^_^
thanks in advance
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I tried both. The 920 is good but the system (Windows Mobile) it's running on is a complete disaster (Lack of apps, ugly UI, etc). It's build and design is also nothing less than pathetic in comparison to the Z. You won't notice a big difference in the pixel density unless you put your eyes very close to the display but I would still side with the Z because if a dead pixel arises, it will much harder to notice it on the Z, since its display is much more densely packed with them. The processor is also superior on the Z but what the 920 has, will suffice for most tasks aside from the newest and latest games (Once again, the Z wins here because it's more future-proof).
On a side notice, could you try to write nicer next time, the use of shorthand is annoying.
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I tried both. The 920 is good but the system (Windows Mobile) it's running on is a complete disaster (Lack of apps, ugly UI, etc). It's build and design is also nothing less than pathetic in comparison to the Z. You won't notice a big difference in the pixel density unless you put your eyes very close to the display but I would still side with the Z because if a dead pixel arises, it will much harder to notice it on the Z, since its display is much more densely packed with them. The processor is also superior on the Z but what the 920 has, will suffice for most tasks aside from the newest and latest games (Once again, the Z wins here because it's more future-proof).
On a side notice, could you try to write nicer next time, the use of shorthand is annoying.
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thanks 4 ur help
just a question.....if i didnt know that xperia z is quad and lumia is dual....would i notice that in performance?
about WP 8 i actually love it .....llack of apps will be fixed gradually...and i heard that xperia z lags more than lumia 920..true?.............and what about battery life?
thanks in advance
abokorayem said:
thanks 4 ur help
just a question.....if i didnt know that xperia z is quad and lumia is dual....would i notice that in performance?
about WP 8 i actually love it .....llack of apps will be fixed gradually...and i heard that xperia z lags more than lumia 920..true?.............and what about battery life?
thanks in advance
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quad and dual are very noticible.. quad can fast proccesing in apps,ofcors its quad, ull notice that on dual core. u might take catching up sometime when opening an app.. (windows phone for me not that useable by my daily basis).. im using ZL same specs in Z.. i dont have any problems with it.. my suggestion is use Z.. battery life so far not an issue anyways.. its on how you use ur phone..
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quad and dual are very noticible.. quad can fast proccesing in apps,ofcors its quad, ull notice that on dual core. u might take catching up sometime when opening an app.. (windows phone for me not that useable by my daily basis).. im using ZL same specs in Z.. i dont have any problems with it.. my suggestion is use Z.. battery life so far not an issue anyways.. its on how you use ur phone..
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thanks 4 ur reply but about processor let me agree and disagree aswell..........dual vs quad ofcourse quad wins but lumia runs WP8 with no lags at all....in some vids that i watched on Youtube i saw that devices with Quad core as Xperia z and With Android just lags a bit....they said something about adware..malware wich slows android down
abokorayem said:
thanks 4 ur reply but about processor let me agree and disagree aswell..........dual vs quad ofcourse quad wins but lumia runs WP8 with no lags at all....in some vids that i watched on Youtube i saw that devices with Quad core as Xperia z and With Android just lags a bit....they said something about adware..malware wich slows android down
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Yes,as my friend using wp8 i used it for a few minutes,my observation is the the os is light,very minimal use of processing,i agree aswell,but for having quad im sure it helps fast speed, ofcors by the help of ram to take effect.. Quad integrates on multi tasking and as what i say,ram is there to help.. And it boils to what you comfortably using.. Lets keep this thread very useful. On some other threads comparing etc. Is been lockdown..
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Yes,as my friend using wp8 i used it for a few minutes,my observation is the the os is light,very minimal use of processing,i agree aswell,but for having quad im sure it helps fast speed, ofcors by the help of ram to take effect.. Quad integrates on multi tasking and as what i say,ram is there to help.. And it boils to what you comfortably using.. Lets keep this thread very useful. On some other threads comparing etc. Is been lockdown..
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I agree all the way with u but....i got something to say which will need confirmation from u
that this is : If iam not a gamer or care alot about heavy 3d games....Lumia 920 would match me more,right?
I mean camera...speakers....even display (bravia engine is only on in photos and vids while HD+ and pure motion r always on)
oh btw....after the buttons bar (the grey one) how large the screen is?4.8 inchs or what?
Thanks in advance
abokorayem said:
hey all
its about 1 month since i started to search what my new smart phone (my first actually) should be.....now the last battle is between xperia z and lumia 920.....i hate that there rnt many videos about them together on YouTube....i just have 2 points to ask about....screen and processor....i know that u will say Z is HD and 441 PPI 5 inch..........and lumia is 4.5 .HD and so........i know it i just want some1 who tried both is there rly big difference in the display?.....the same about processor..Big difference?.......i saw the theoritical way....i need to hear about ur practice ^_^
BTW i cant try both phones as neither of them is in my city......thats why iam asking u Friends ^_^
thanks in advance
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First of all let's compare both phones in spec.
You can check it here for more info: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4967&idPhone2=5204
But the most important features.
Screen:
Lumia 920: HD 1280x768 4.5" 332 ppi
Xperia Z: FULL HD 1920x0180 5" 441 ppi
There is quite a difference between full hd and hd also the ppi are much higher in the XZ, so the pictures/full hd videos will look much crisp on the XZ.
Weight
L920: 185 g (6.53 oz)
XZ: 146 g (5.15 oz)
The L920 is heavy, 40g more than the XZ. You will notice that
Memory / Storage
L920: 1Gb RAM / 32GB No sd-card slot
XZ: 2Gb Ram / 16GB Sd card slot
Ram depends on the OS and the usage. Storage is bigger on the L920 by default but no option to increase the storage.
Bluetooth
L920: 3.2
XZ: 4.0
If you use bluetooth a lot the 4.0 protocol is much reliable.
Camera:
L920: 8 MP, 3264 x 2448 pixels, Carl Zeiss optics, optical image stabilization, autofocus, dual-LED flash
XZ: 13.1 MP, 4128x3096 pixels, autofocus, LED flash
If I'm not wrong, L920 camera is much better in low light condition and in general terms.
OS
L920: Microsoft Windows Phone 8
XZ: Android OS, v4.1.2
Android has much more apps than WP8 in the market, the customization of android is endless (you can access file system, modify the whole rom, kernel) rather than in the wp8 is much more limited.
CPU / GPU
L920: Dual-core 1.5 GHz Krait / Adreno 225
XZ: Quad-core 1.5 GHz Krait /Adreno 320
Depends on OS and usage. Quad-core much faster than Dual-core.
Radio
L920 No
XZ: Stereo FM radio with RDS
If you need Radio FM, it's a no brainer. XZ has it, L920 doesn't. Obviously there is always Internet Radio that works using data mobile.
Battery:
L920: 2000mAh
XZ: 2330mAh
Price (SIM free):
L920: £399 Carphone Warehouse
XZ: £489 Carphone Warehouse
L920 is cheaper
Around the same battery life.
Right, now. Ask yourself this questions.
What are you going to use the phone for?
What is your budget?
Do you use app intensive taks? Playing heavy CPU/GPU intensive games?
Do you find useful the Water/Dust resistance on the XZ, (ie it's protected from rain, failing into water by accident)?
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First of all let's compare both phones in spec.
You can check it here for more info: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4967&idPhone2=5204
But the most important features.
Screen:
Lumia 920: HD 1280x768 4.5" 332 ppi
Xperia Z: FULL HD 1920x0180 5" 441 ppi
There is quite a difference between full hd and hd also the ppi are much higher in the XZ, so the pictures/full hd videos will look much crisp on the XZ.
Weight
L920: 185 g (6.53 oz)
XZ: 146 g (5.15 oz)
The L920 is heavy, 40g more than the XZ. You will notice that
Memory / Storage
L920: 1Gb RAM / 32GB No sd-card slot
XZ: 2Gb Ram / 16GB Sd card slot
Ram depends on the OS and the usage. Storage is bigger on the L920 by default but no option to increase the storage.
Bluetooth
L920: 3.2
XZ: 4.0
If you use bluetooth a lot the 4.0 protocol is much reliable.
Camera:
L920: 8 MP, 3264 x 2448 pixels, Carl Zeiss optics, optical image stabilization, autofocus, dual-LED flash
XZ: 13.1 MP, 4128x3096 pixels, autofocus, LED flash
If I'm not wrong, L920 camera is much better in low light condition and in general terms.
OS
L920: Microsoft Windows Phone 8
XZ: Android OS, v4.1.2
Android has much more apps than WP8 in the market, the customization of android is endless (you can access file system, modify the whole rom, kernel) rather than in the wp8 is much more limited.
CPU / GPU
L920: Dual-core 1.5 GHz Krait / Adreno 225
XZ: Quad-core 1.5 GHz Krait /Adreno 320
Depends on OS and usage. Quad-core much faster than Dual-core.
Radio
L920 No
XZ: Stereo FM radio with RDS
If you need Radio FM, it's a no brainer. XZ has it, L920 doesn't. Obviously there is always Internet Radio that works using data mobile.
Battery:
L920: 2000mAh
XZ: 2330mAh
Price (SIM free):
L920: £399 Carphone Warehouse
XZ: £489 Carphone Warehouse
L920 is cheaper
Around the same battery life.
Right, now. Ask yourself this questions.
What are you going to use the phone for?
What is your budget?
Do you use app intensive taks? Playing heavy CPU/GPU intensive games?
Do you find useful the Water/Dust resistance on the XZ, (ie it's protected from rain, failing into water by accident)?
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First of all, let me thank u 4 ur effort
secondly:about screen being Crisp or so...i heard that naked eye cant differentiate between both as if its higher than 300 PPI its almost the same
Iam not keen on gaming or so i will buy it mainly for reading e-books,taking pics and watching vids(not that much even)
About Water resistant....iam from a dry country...No rains for 3-4 years actually so it doesnt matter 4 me
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First of all, let me thank u 4 ur effort
secondly:about screen being Crisp or so...i heard that naked eye cant differentiate between both as if its higher than 300 PPI its almost the same
Iam not keen on gaming or so i will buy it mainly for reading e-books,taking pics and watching vids(not that much even)
About Water resistant....iam from a dry country...No rains for 3-4 years actually so it doesnt matter 4 me
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Then zl is ur choice compromising the water resistant.. Even ur not gamer better specs still.. Use quad. Xperia z to say..
About the softkeys,theres a mod resizing that to 25 and black and depending what size u want. 48dpi is stock softkeys.. Lot of devlopers on z.
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abokorayem said:
First of all, let me thank u 4 ur effort
secondly:about screen being Crisp or so...i heard that naked eye cant differentiate between both as if its higher than 300 PPI its almost the same
Iam not keen on gaming or so i will buy it mainly for reading e-books,taking pics and watching vids(not that much even)
About Water resistant....iam from a dry country...No rains for 3-4 years actually so it doesnt matter 4 me
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Take into account that appart from the DPI, one is HD (720p) and the other is Full-HD (1080p), there is a difference between them. You will notice it while browsing a website and zooming to read, it will be much sharp in the XZ.
If you are going to read e-book you will find it more easier in a bigger screen, 5" vs 4.5" is quite a difference in screen size.
At the end of the day is a matter of preference, Android vs WP8. Right now I think Android is a better OS in terms of app and support. Also XZ has the technological advantage compared to the L920. For the price of both I would go for the XZ, personally. As someone said before, XZ is more future-proof, a Dual core and 720p is getting obsolete and 1gb ram is quite low imho. If you are not convinced with the XZ, there are other options: Samsung, HTC, LG.
The best thing to do is go to a shop and hold both at the same time, try most of the features and go for the one your guts tells you.
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Take into account that appart from the DPI, one is HD (720p) and the other is Full-HD (1080p), there is a difference between them. You will notice it while browsing a website and zooming to read, it will be much sharp in the XZ.
If you are going to read e-book you will find it more easier in a bigger screen, 5" vs 4.5" is quite a difference in screen size.
At the end of the day is a matter of preference, Android vs WP8. Right now I think Android is a better OS in terms of app and support. Also XZ has the technological advantage compared to the L920. For the price of both I would go for the XZ, personally. As someone said before, XZ is more future-proof, a Dual core and 720p is getting obsolete and 1gb ram is quite low imho. If you are not convinced with the XZ, there are other options: Samsung, HTC, LG.
The best thing to do is go to a shop and hold both at the same time, try most of the features and go for the one your guts tells you.
If I helped you, you could press the thanks button
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already pressed thanks putton ^_^
what do u think of this
LG Optimus G LS970?
so xperia z or LG Optimus G LS970?
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so xperia z or LG Optimus G LS970?
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After settling for 5 inch phone, I would never go for anything below it. I have seen the Optimus g is person . It's quite nice. If I'm not wrong the specs of Optimus g and xperia z is almost the same s4 pro quad core with 2 gb ram. Except it's not full hd like the xz and at a lower ppi 318 vs xz's 441. And no ip55/57 rating. The screen looks nice but I haven't tried reading on it. I just watch a video playback.
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abokorayem said:
so xperia z or LG Optimus G LS970?
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I had them both in my hand , my friend's LG and a co-worker had the Xperia... Personally I ordered the Xperia Z and waiting for it. It's much more solid built and I believe strongly in Sony , not to be the fanboy but ask around and everyone will tell you that LG will never be competion to Sony unless you want to spend less !!!