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Nokia N8 or Galaxy Nexus?

Looking to upgrade my HTC G2, since I'm kinda bored of it and dealing with custom ROMs and whatnot - I want something simple/fluid out of the box with official updates in the future for a little bit. Basically limited my phone search to two in particular - the Nokia N8 and the Galaxy Nexus.
The N8 draws me primarily for the camera (great quality + xenon flash), but also the plethora of other features compared to my G2 (AMOLED screen, HDMI out, front-facing camera, Bluetooth 3.0, USB OTG, lighter/smaller, pentaband, battery life). That, and the price - ~$350 for one in good condition and then $30/month for my current T-Mobile plan (best plan for my needs and cheapest price I've seen).
As for the Galaxy Nexus, it's most of the above plus a bigger screen/resolution (both a positive and a negative for me) and NFC (though I probably won't use it for a while as I have neither Mastercard nor Citibank). But...$650+ is a lot when that's about how much I paid for my M11x R1 laptop, especially since it's be more prone to accidents/loss/theft.
Don't really care for app selection (like 90% of my use will be calls/texts/email/web) - the $300+ difference between the two would probably be used for a 7" Android tablet, mostly for watching videos on something more portable than my laptop, which I know I wouldn't buy if I bought the Nexus (had two Android devcies at the same time once and found it too redundant).
Basically not interested in any non-pentaband phone at this point, and no other Nokia phone really grabs me like the N8 (the N9 is nice, but IMO a step back compared to the N8 in features/ports). PLEASE don't just go and say something like "Nokia is old/out" or "Galaxy Nexus, I have it and it's great" - I'd like actual answers, particularly people who have used Symbian Anna (not necessarily the N8 though).
Only other phone I'd sorta consider is the Optimus from Republic Wireless for the cheaper plan price, but I'm waiting for the service to improve (and allow on-the-fly Wifi/CDMA switching) before I truly consider it.

Galaxy Nexus. End of discussion!
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Galaxy Nexus. End of discussion!
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This is what I mean...I'm assuming it's just a joke post, and it doesn't really help my decision >.>

Galaxy Nexus. Nuff said
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trell959 said:
Galaxy Nexus. Nuff said
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*sigh* is there a better forum I can ask this question?

magus57 said:
*sigh* is there a better forum I can ask this question?
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They're just screwing with you. Honestly I'm going to give you the same answer though but I'll explain why:
Your reasoning for liking the n8 for the features it has are all in the gn. But the gn has a a better resolution, a super amoled screen (trust me, there is a HUGE difference), a better processor and a better os in the sense of more applications and overall customization. If you're willing to go for the gn* then go for it.
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magus57 said:
*sigh* is there a better forum I can ask this question?
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Seriously? If you aren't going to take our advice, why post this? You could of taken the the time to search and read about the Nexus and Nokia than open a thread..... The obvious answer is going to be the Nexus. And you're going to get the same answer in any other forum.
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I_am_Error said:
They're just screwing with you. Honestly I'm going to give you the same answer though but I'll explain why:
Your reasoning for liking the n8 for the features it has are all in the gn. But the gn has a a better resolution, a super amoled screen (trust me, there is a HUGE difference), a better processor and a better os in the sense of more applications and overall customization. If you're willing to go for the gn* then go for it.
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Well, the N8's camera is quite a bit better, if only for xenon flash, and from what I've read the recent Anne update has improved the speed/quality of it...not ever really having to carry a point-and-shoot is a big plus for me.
And yeah, better processor and OS - but for a phone, I could honestly live without it. There's maybe one app I even use out of the house that's dependent on a wireless connection, and if it comes to it I can just bring the 7" tablet with (exactly why I want a 7" one - still portable enough to stick in my pocket). As I said, 90% of my phone use is basically just that, with email and web browsing on the side when I have the time for it.
Honestly, the biggest thing is the price - I can't exactly afford to replace it quickly if it were to break or get lost/stolen, and considering how much Android phones - Nexus or not - depreciate...then there's the screen size. Too small to comfortably watch a movie on, and too big to warrant a 7" tablet for me (and I'm just not interested in anything beyond 7") - especially when it'd be an extra $200+ for basically the same thing I have, an android device, in a bigger size.
I'm not trying to make it seem like I'm set on the N8 or something, I just don't want to get a Galaxy Nexus simply because it's "better" when I don't even really need all that "better-ness"

trell959 said:
Seriously? If you aren't going to take our advice, why post this? You could of taken the the time to search and read about the Nexus and Nokia than open a thread..... The obvious answer is going to be the Nexus. And you're going to get the same answer in any other forum.
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It's not about not taking advice, but I'm looking for advice that consists of more than picking one phone basically because it's the popular phone to recommend. I get this is a tech/phone forum, but that shouldn't mean that everybody only focuses on what's new or "the best" and disregard valid reasons to consider other stuff.
As I mentioned - take into account the fact that I'm going to be getting a 7" Android tablet (likely some Honeycomb/Tegra 2 device) along with said Nokia device, which I absolutely would not get with the Nexus (due to the combined cost, smaller screen size difference, and redundancy of two Android devices - meaning one or the other will be highly underutilized as an Android device).

When you don't need a better phone, why buy a new phone? What's wrong with your G2?

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When you don't need a better phone, why buy a new phone? What's wrong with your G2?
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I want either phone for the better camera (plus secondary) and HDMI-output primarily, but also having better features in general.

magus57 said:
I want either phone for the better camera (plus secondary) and HDMI-output primarily, but also having better features in general.
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The GN's camera is pretty weak, honestly. The SGS2's camera stomps all over it... and it's not even in the same league as the N8's camera.

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N8 is a good device, very durable and has an awesome camera, but will you ever use the camera? Just asking. My friend has it, and he likes it a lot. But he said to me the other day "I want Android." It's worth mentioning that he is a long time Nokia fan and not a geek kinda user like me. But why suddenly said he wants Android? Well because Symbian sucks. Period. Yes, Anne update is not bad, but it just ripped off Android. It looks like a complete Android rip-off.
If the camera is very important to you, you can go for SGSII. Lower price, better camera, smaller screen therefor easier to handle, and one of the best devices ever built.
All in all the choice is yours. But don't make a decision that will make you regret it.
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Oh, and having 2 Android devices is not redundant. It's just more awesome. I've a Nexus S and an Acer A500, but I still would buy a Galaxy Nexus if I had the money.
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Yeah, I'd definitely use the camera - I don't really use my current camera just because of the mediocre quality, but I know that would change with a better quality one.
I guess the GSII is an option, although the T-Mobile version doesn't have Exynos and that's the best version I can afford in terms of monthly plan price...plus, if T-Mobile goes under and the 1700/2100 band isn't taken by anybody (like AT&T) then the phone will be kinda useless, only being able to get 2G/EDGE. And if I was going to consider a phone like that, I'd probably just get the G2x then, which still has basically all features I'd want and a decent amount cheaper than the GSII.
And I had a Streak 7 (both with Gingerbread and Honeycomb)...and found myself using my G2 most of the time, forcing myself to use the Streak 7 instead when possible. Maybe I didn't give it a chance, or I might just not use enough decent Android apps, I dunno.
Anyway, Polaroid recently announced an interesting camera/Android phone combo that includes optical zoom...but phone specs don't seem too spectacular, and it seems to be only available to AT&T. Not sure if it even has HDMI-out, which would be kinda pointless to have such a nice camera and no video-out capabilities...
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The GN's camera is pretty weak, honestly. The SGS2's camera stomps all over it... and it's not even in the same league as the N8's camera.
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True, but I'm pretty sure it's better than the G2's, especially for being really quick.

It seems like you made your decision long before you made this thread. Get the N8. Voila. Done. Enjoy.

There´s no way I could separate my life from Android, so you know my answer.

Wow, I feel dumb now. I just remembered I'll be getting a Fuji W3 soon, which I'm pretty sure will take decent 2D pictures in addition to 3D. Might as well not bother with the N8 then, might actually consider the Galaxy Nexus then.

In my humble opinion, once you use android as the OS, you'll start to like your phone more than phone/sms, thats why its called smartphone

noooo... dont buy a n8.. u will surely regret...
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You don't want more betterness? Get the N8 then, simple. Seems like you are criticizing the nexus more anyway.
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Galaxy nexus
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Thoughts on 2X and your next phone?

The phones over a year old now. I only picked mine up used almost half a year ago for 200 USD. The phone's price really plummeted in just over half a year didn't it? Even now it hasn't dropped further as it hit its rock bottom way back then. High end phones that are older and with less specs cost the same as this as its really unpopular. An example being the Galaxy S.
So in a way its a pretty unsuccessful phone. Reasons? Software support has been terrible, suffering from radio issues. The stock firmware was appalling for a long time. Then the announcement ICS wasn't coming which soon after you saw the price hitting rock bottom. Leading to LG to counter its previous comment and proceed with ICS. Which it probably had no plans to before the backlash. Since the update was due rather late and has since been delayed a quarter.
Hardware wise its not bad. But still outdone by S2's larger screen, double ram and better camera.
All said i'm extremely happy with my first Android especially considering what I paid. But only with the developer support providing the best solutions. If I were a stock user i'd be sorely disappointed, only feeling better for the price.
In terms of my next phone, I want a larger screen 4.7ish but not pocket busting like the note. A better camera but equal to 2X is fine. More RAM because Opera Mobile keeps shutting down when I multitask out for a second, even with an extra 48mb ram hack. Amoled would be nice but not necessary, mainly for its benefits if its sunlight legibility is good. HD is unnecessary in my opinion.
As it stands I probably won't be upgrading for awhile until the likes of the S3 gets cheap. Except its design looks unprofessional. Optimus 4X anyone? :-D They couldn't make the same mistakes again right? Right?
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I will only be upgrading to nexus devices from now on, because of this phone has made me realise I hate manufacturer skins and that I want the latest updates all the time.
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I have not decided yet what phone I am going to get. But I'm very interested in Asus padfone.
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slebit said:
I have not decided yet what phone I am going to get. But I'm very interested in Asus padfone.
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In order to use the pad, you need to insert your phone into it. So idk....doesn't interest me.
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temasek said:
In order to use the pad, you need to insert your phone into it. So idk....doesn't interest me.
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I know. But I think it's pretty cool.
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i am happy with the phone. the only complaints are the screen outdors and the camera (well not the camera itself but the plastic cover that ruins the quality).
i dont even dare thinking about a new phone but seeing how fast the market moves today's pick will be outdated in 2 weeks.

V.Dragos said:
i am happy with the phone. the only complaints are the screen outdors and the camera (well not the camera itself but the plastic cover that ruins the quality).
i dont even dare thinking about a new phone but seeing how fast the market moves today's pick will be outdated in 2 weeks.
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You can just remove that plastic cover by pressing it out from the inside
It is glued woth potatoes I think
But my camera quality looks way better now
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I like sony hayabusa, but who knows what will be in a year or so.
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Definitely a Nexus. Best update and mods

Going for a Galaxy S3 in a weeks time.
Would you guys do the same? I had this phone for over a year now

Hayabusa 12mp sounds like potential. If nexus grew a good camera, it'd be killer. The rumour of five nexuses this year is promising
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some people arent that rich to change expensive phones every 12 months.
My next device will be WITH a good battery, a SD card slot (dumb htc with their one series..almost made them perfect), a good camera (likes of SGS3 or more likely htc one x), and an ARM cortex-a15 based cpu (or krait). and quite importantly, a wolfson micro sound chip (also supported by supercurio ) i dont want screens as large as 4,7 inches though
oh, and i hope it will be a nexus...i want good updates... fuuuu LG
this would be a freaking dream phone. but i aint buying anything until the 2x gives up on me, i still really like it

So far i had 2 android phones with the optimus being my second one. I have noticed that all those "specs" do not matter. What matters is a good software. Therefore i would move to a nexus devices when my optimus gets completely destroyed or really useless. No need to keep throwing money on phones if they cannot completely replace my laptop.

I will go for a SGS2 or 3 or a Nexus.
Hopefully soon. Tired of all the probs with my LGOS

currently, my o2x running temasek kang, it give me what i want to do
still waiting for the stable cm9, then will use it about a year
my next phone maybe the galaxy s4

I think I'm buying a S3 or nexus. And what Arkara said, I agree that specs don't matter as much as the software support.
Seeing as the S2 a friend of my has, still running stock since launch and no factory resets: Smooth as hell, fast and long battery. Galaxy Nexus is also stable.
Maybe my phone has a bad chip or something like that but the FD issues are to much and the battery life is overall the same for me no matter the BB or RIL. No more Tegra for me.

Sheppie said:
I think I'm buying a S3 or nexus. And what Arkara said, I agree that specs don't matter as much as the software support.
Seeing as the S2 a friend of my has, still running stock since launch and no factory resets: Smooth as hell, fast and long battery. Galaxy Nexus is also stable.
Maybe my phone has a bad chip or something like that but the FD issues are to much and the battery life is overall the same for me no matter the BB or RIL. No more Tegra for me.
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Nexus seems like the popular choice among us. I think specs matter still otherwise you wouldn't be after a high end phone. I personally have grown accustomed to CM's flexibility and features so i'm not really after software support. Except as we know in our 2X case it lacks drivers for us to update to.
Of course a stable good software release is important, afterall custom ROM users are a minor aspect in comparison to sales. But in the S3's case Samsung are trying to differentiate and add value through the software extras. That's great for most but if your not using it you're paying for nothing.
At least the idea behind the S2 was hardware and just the right software to make it run. This time around Samsung are making moves inspired by their biggest rival in their eyes, Apple. They like to poke fun and criticise Apple but they would prefer nothing more than to be them. The design, the marketing and the software are all in their footsteps.
What do 2X users here think of the iPhone anyway? I think it's like our polar opposite in the high end. The super expensive overrated and over hyped hardware with good closed software popular phone compared to the piss cheap higher spec phone with miserable software and success.
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Infy_AsiX said:
This time around Samsung are making moves inspired by their biggest rival in their eyes, Apple. They like to poke fun and criticise Apple but they would prefer nothing more than to be them. The design, the marketing and the software are all in their footsteps.
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Well, they sure as hell have a long way to go as far as design goes. Pretty much all android phones do. They are butt ugly. The Optimus 2x is actually one of the prettier ones imo! The Galaxy S2 for instance is a design disaster.
I'm not a fan of the iOS, though. When I use it, on my Ipod Touch, I get the feeling that I am being treated like an idiot.

I will have a close look at the ASUS Padfone.
If it only had a 720p screen, I would have bought it.
When the Rumors about 5 new Nexus devices for Jelly Bean come true I hope ASUS makes one of the phones. I love their build quality and design. They also are the fastest when it comes to updates and patches.
I also think that the Optimus 2X is among the prettiest phones. This was the reason I picked it instead of the Galaxy SII (the price was similar at launch).
With CM7.2 UNOFFICIAL (I also use temaseks build) the phone is very good and I get a good battery life lately since I turn my phone off and back on right aufter I unplug it from the charger in the mornings. The only thing I don't like is the Battery life when I use it a lot for webbrowsing and games.
My next Phone will have a 720p display, a bigger battery and more RAM.
SD Card slot, swappable battery are things I would very much miss if they were not available on my next phone. Optimus 4X maybe, Huawei D Quad maybe, Jelly Bean Nexus possibly or the Padfone?

I´m tired of the 2x....
...because of the politics from LG.
The stects of that phone were really good, but as it was said before: Good software ist more worth than good hardware.
I think my next Phone will be the next SGS or a Nexus.
What i need:
SD-Card
huge RAM
720p Display
LTE
NFC
good Cam

ASUS Hate?

What's the deal here? Asus makes good stuff they always have. I was happy to hear they were making the nexus 7.
Obviously everyone who is complaining about ASUS has never built a pc like ever. I dunno what everyone expects really. People want Samsung, yet I have to swap out my captivate twice, once for a bad loudspeaker, and once for a bad power button. Both were known issues. HTCs have some claim to be indestructible but guess what? My buddies Droid incredible, not indestructible as his power button died. And seems on the Flyer, bad charging ports were common. My wifes HTC Vivids screen died a month after use. I'm not scared at all of buying htc or Samsung again either but mobile technology just breaks its how it goes. Welcome to the era of cheap Chinese manufacturing!
Honestly my nexus seems fine. I don't see anything wrong with build quality or screen. I do notice the calibration issue but otherwise everything works fine on it and mine is one of the second wave. We're all early adopters too, think about xbox 360 or ps2 owners. All the testing in the world won't reveal all the common issues, so we're all Guinea pigs right now testing and telling Asus and Google what's wrong. And that's okay because I have a warranty and Google's warranty service is awesome.
I'm just sick of the Asus bashing myself. You want cheap shoddy crap? Have Sony make us a tablet!
As for this screen separation issues it'll blow over.
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Cor-master said:
What's the deal here? Asus makes good stuff they always have. I was happy to hear they were making the nexus 7.
Obviously everyone who is complaining about ASUS has never built a pc like ever. I dunno what everyone expects really. People want Samsung, yet I have to swap out my captivate twice, once for a bad loudspeaker, and once for a bad power button. Both were known issues. HTCs have some claim to be indestructible but guess what? My buddies Droid incredible, not indestructible as his power button died. And seems on the Flyer, bad charging ports were common. My wifes HTC Vivids screen died a month after use. I'm not scared at all of buying htc or Samsung again either but mobile technology just breaks its how it goes. Welcome to the era of cheap Chinese manufacturing!
Honestly my nexus seems fine. I don't see anything wrong with build quality or screen. I do notice the calibration issue but otherwise everything works fine on it and mine is one of the second wave. We're all early adopters too, think about xbox 360 or ps2 owners. All the testing in the world won't reveal all the common issues, so we're all Guinea pigs right now testing and telling Asus and Google what's wrong. And that's okay because I have a warranty and Google's warranty service is awesome.
I'm just sick of the Asus bashing myself. You want cheap shoddy crap? Have Sony make us a tablet!
As for this screen separation issues it'll blow over.
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"Obviously" nothing. I've used Asus before for motherboards, and they were fine. However, their tablet business is a different story. This company has screwed me personally multiple times already with my Transformer Prime, and have screwed many other customers as well. Take a trip over to the Prime forums if you really want to know why there's so much "Asus hate" as you put it. They've earned every bit of it.

Their build quality is on par with the competition. HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola, hell even Apple. Mobile stuff breaks it is what it is.
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The Nexus 7 is a great device. When reading these forums you have to remember that the negative posts are the vocal minority. This is due to two things:
People that are happy, and have no issues, generally don't post to just say, "hey all is good here." For every poster with a legit issue there are tens of thousands without issues that do not post.
A lot of people are really not that intelligent. They don't understand the technology, they don't bother to read the specs before they order the phone, or have unrealistic expectations.
It's not just ASUS. The same thing happened when the Galaxy Nexus was released. Someone that came in and just scanned the XDA GNex General would have thought the phone was the worst device ever release. In actuality it's just the opposite.

Yeah I want to add that alot of companies aren't great with warranties. Honestly htc I probably the best as I've read stories of people sending in their completely dead flyers with bad charging ports in, rooted and unlocked bootloader and they've fixed the charge port and sent it back. Sony surely wasn't very nice about the disc read error on the ps2, telling customers to just buy another one, and Samsung on numerous occasions to people I've known refused to honor warranties on their tvs. Also my captivate had a bad gps antenna, in fact all galaxy s phones did and Samsung never owned up to that. The grass is always greener I guess...
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When you make 1000's of units- there's bound to be some frustrated customers, it's just sheer numbers, nothing is perfect.
I think Google initially took the most hits for the lack of SD cardslot, the big price difference between the 8 and 16GB units, and the rollout craziness when they had stores withhold units they actually had on hand till their own direct to customer channel got up to speed.
Once defects began to crop up in delivered units- ASUS came under the blade for poor quality control.
ASUS has to take blame for physical defects- that has nothing to do with Google. IIRC- the N7 was pretty much based on a 7" tablet ASUS already had in the works- for a 2012 release Google just had them remove some items (like the bemoaned SD cardslot) and rebadge it as a Google tablet. Google can't be blamed for poor workmanship on the N7, blame ASUS if your tablet isn't satisfactory.
In the end- Google should/will make good for defective units, so it's a bit of an inconvenience for the end-users, but that's how it is with complicated consumer electronics nowadays anyway.
OT- this is a tablet forum, but since the OP mentioned ASUS motherboards- their current product is not what it once was quality wise.
Years ago- I mean 10-12 years ago ASUS motherboards were top notch, with very good quality components that would last forever. As soon as the infamous "bulging capacitors" started showing up in consumer items- they started showing up in ASUS motherboards too. ASUS was particularly difficult to deal with in some of these cases and got out of making good on warranty service when they could. That really tarnished their reputation and opened the door for newer companies to offer their products to computer builders. Soon after that, the rest of the motherboard industry caught up with ASUS, and some have surpassed them in value features for the dollar. ASUS IMO is no longer 'special" as far as their motherboard product- I'd rate them just middle of the road quality wise and low to medium in features for the dollar on their motherboards. Can't remember the last time I used an ASUS MB for one of my computer builds...

nyijedi said:
"Obviously" nothing. I've used Asus before for motherboards, and they were fine. However, their tablet business is a different story. This company has screwed me personally multiple times already with my Transformer Prime, and have screwed many other customers as well. Take a trip over to the Prime forums if you really want to know why there's so much "Asus hate" as you put it. They've earned every bit of it.
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If you believe this, then why on earth would you have bought a Nexus 7?
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ASUS makes good desktop and laptop components, but their tablets have been less than stellar. The OG Transformer was great until it was first updated to ICS and then even stock users were getting random reboots and sleep of deaths. The Transformer Prime was good but had the GPS and WiFi issues. I haven't heard anything about the TF301 or TF701 but the Nexus 7 has had it's fair share of issues.
I love ASUS and have owned probably every type of product they have put out, and sadly their tablets just aren't on par with the rest of the company.
My Nexus 7 only has the screen lift issue which is fine with me, but a lot of others are having much more severe issues.

ASUS makes great tablets, they are my favorite, when they aren't defective.
It's purely my opinion and observation. But it seems like ASUS struggles a lot more with their early batches of tablets than others. Sure Apple and Samsung have defects too. But buying an ASUS tablet during it's first month of launch always seems like a much bigger cluster**** than with Apple or Samsung or others.
Not sure why this is, but I think ASUS is rushing too much to get a head start on Samsung and the competitors. TF101 released before the Galaxy Tab 10.1, TF201 was the first ICS tablet, TF701 was almost the first 1920x1200 tablet. And this Nexus 7 was pretty somewhat retooled in just 4 months for Google.

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Their build quality is on par with the competition. HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola, hell even Apple. Mobile stuff breaks it is what it is.
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I respectfully disagree. I own devices from a variety of companies. Apple's 1st iPad, Motorola Droid, HTC G1 and Nexus One, Samsung's Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus, and Asus' Transformer Prime and Nexus 7. Only two of those devices have had any problems - care to guess which two?
pharpe said:
The Nexus 7 is a great device. When reading these forums you have to remember that the negative posts are the vocal minority. This is due to two things:
People that are happy, and have no issues, generally don't post to just say, "hey all is good here." For every poster with a legit issue there are tens of thousands without issues that do not post.
A lot of people are really not that intelligent. They don't understand the technology, they don't bother to read the specs before they order the phone, or have unrealistic expectations.
It's not just ASUS. The same thing happened when the Galaxy Nexus was released. Someone that came in and just scanned the XDA GNex General would have thought the phone was the worst device ever release. In actuality it's just the opposite.
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Just to be clear, I love my Nexus 7, but that love is a direct result of Google's awesome software. The thing is snappy and stable as hell, unlike my buggy, garbage Transformer Prime w/ its Asus controlled software that lags and ANRs every friggin' second. I bought the N7 expecting to have hardware problems based on my past experience with Asus tablets, and they certainly didn't disappoint (well, they did, but you know what I mean ). The software more than makes up for it though - at least for me.
The good news is that I'll bet anything that Google is done with this crappy company after the N7.
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miketoasty said:
I love ASUS and have owned probably every type of product they have put out, and sadly their tablets just aren't on par with the rest of the company.
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I think this may be the issue. Those who insist on defending Asus seem to be customers who have bought plenty of Asus products before, but no tablets. Those of us who own a TF101 or TF201 know the deal. Their tablet division does seem to be run very differently from the rest of the company.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5i4l143RIY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
You mean that tablet? Looks identical to it but oddly no front camera, but it has a rear camera.
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pharpe said:
The Nexus 7 is a great device. When reading these forums you have to remember that the negative posts are the vocal minority. This is due to two things:
People that are happy, and have no issues, generally don't post to just say, "hey all is good here." For every poster with a legit issue there are tens of thousands without issues that do not post.
A lot of people are really not that intelligent. They don't understand the technology, they don't bother to read the specs before they order the phone, or have unrealistic expectations.
It's not just ASUS. The same thing happened when the Galaxy Nexus was released. Someone that came in and just scanned the XDA GNex General would have thought the phone was the worst device ever release. In actuality it's just the opposite.
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Hey all is good here. Received mine last week. It's mittens!

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I respectfully disagree. I own devices from a variety of companies. Apple's 1st iPad, Motorola Droid, HTC G1 and Nexus One, Samsung's Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus, and Asus' Transformer Prime and Nexus 7. Only two of those devices have had any problems - care to guess which two?
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To call you out, the iPad 1 had horrible screen bleed. The Motorola Droid was locked (still is?). The Nexus One didn't have multitouch (it did but was completely broken), and the Galaxy Nexus has a problem with grays on the screen (visible lines) and had multitouch issues similar to the N7 now. The iPad3 gets super hot and burning people. The iPhone 4 was ruined by a signal shorting metal housing.
I also owned a Transformer TF101 was nearly perfect aside from some occasional case creaking.
I've owned all of the above and I know first hand. Nothing is perfect.
The Transformer Prime primarily had issues with wireless signals because of the metal backing, hence why the new models are plastic. I don't know if there were other problems. I remember something about GPS too, which isn't bad considering you don't use GPS on a 10" tablet very often. Not sure if they fixed that.
Asus DID have problems with the PRIME but all of their other devices really set the bar. Their device support (software patches; upgrades) is the best I've ever seen to date. I've gotten more updates on my TF101 then from Google on my Galaxy Nexus. It's even getting JB. No other tablet that was launched on Honeycomb (maybe Xoom?) is seeing JB released officially. I don't even think the Samsung 10.1 Tabs even got to ICS.
Needless to say, the issues with the N7 are subtle compared to just most of the devices you mentioned.

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To call you out, the iPad 1 had horrible screen bleed. The Motorola Droid was locked (still is?). The Nexus One didn't have multitouch (it did but was completely broken), and the Galaxy Nexus has a problem with grays on the screen (visible lines) and had multitouch issues similar to the N7 now. The iPad3 gets super hot and burning people. The iPhone 4 was ruined by a signal shorting metal housing.
I also owned a Transformer TF101 was nearly perfect aside from some occasional case creaking.
I've owned all of the above and I know first hand. Nothing is perfect.
The Transformer Prime primarily had issues with wireless signals because of the metal backing, hence why the new models are plastic. I don't know if there were other problems. I remember something about GPS too, which isn't bad considering you don't use GPS on a 10" tablet very often. Not sure if they fixed that.
Asus DID have problems with the PRIME but all of their other devices really set the bar. Their device support (software patches; upgrades) is the best I've ever seen to date. I've gotten more updates on my TF101 then from Google on my Galaxy Nexus. It's even getting JB. No other tablet that was launched on Honeycomb (maybe Xoom?) is seeing JB released officially. I don't even think the Samsung 10.1 Tabs even got to ICS.
Needless to say, the issues with the N7 are subtle compared to just most of the devices you mentioned.
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Never had screen bleed on my iPad1 (probably because Apple quickly rectified the problem once finding out about it, unlike Asus). The Droid 1 was never locked. Nexus One multitouch issues were overblown. I'm not familiar with your two complaints about the Galaxy Nexus, as I have 2 of them (wife and myself) and both are perfect.
I will say this - it does seem that the Prime is Asus' biggest mistake, and that's the device that has really formed my opinions of Asus. Their device support on the Prime SUCKS. They have an Asus rep keep promising updates here on the XDA forums, but nothing comes. And the few that have come have actually borked the Prime more than before. As for GPS, it doesn't matter if YOU don't have a use for it. THey ADVERTISED IT, it didn't work (also because of the terribly designed metal back plate), and then they "fixed" it by removing GPS functionality from the box! Can you believe that?! They finally released a "GPS" dongle for the Prime, but you can't charge the Prime when it's plugged in, so forget about using it on a long road trip.
Then you have the RMA issues. Do a quick search for RMA and CID (customer-induced damage) re: Asus and their Prime if you want to see how they treat their customers.
Sorry, but I absolutely will not budge on what a terrible company Asus is - at least as far as tablets go.

I've never had any more trouble with Asus products then others, I'd guess the majority of components are sourced from the same Chinese manufacturers which supply other companies such as Samsung, HTC, etc. Given that most of the issues seems to stem from overtightened screws and misapplication of adhesive the major problem appears to be with Asus's (or whichever company they contract out to) quality control. Which is probably going to be a problem that begins to affect more companies as consumers keep demanding lower prices.

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Never had screen bleed on my iPad1 (probably because Apple quickly rectified the problem once finding out about it, unlike Asus). The Droid 1 was never locked. Nexus One multitouch issues were overblown. I'm not familiar with your two complaints about the Galaxy Nexus, as I have 2 of them (wife and myself) and both are perfect.
I will say this - it does seem that the Prime is Asus' biggest mistake, and that's the device that has really formed my opinions of Asus. Their device support on the Prime SUCKS. They have an Asus rep keep promising updates here on the XDA forums, but nothing comes. And the few that have come have actually borked the Prime more than before. As for GPS, it doesn't matter if YOU don't have a use for it. THey ADVERTISED IT, it didn't work (also because of the terribly designed metal back plate), and then they "fixed" it by removing GPS functionality from the box! Can you believe that?! They finally released a "GPS" dongle for the Prime, but you can't charge the Prime when it's plugged in, so forget about using it on a long road trip.
Then you have the RMA issues. Do a quick search for RMA and CID (customer-induced damage) re: Asus and their Prime if you want to see how they treat their customers.
Sorry, but I absolutely will not budge on what a terrible company Asus is - at least as far as tablets go.
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I wouldn't call Asus terrible on the tablet front. Not the best is better suited but they aren't terrible by a long shot, they release the best tablets before anyone else, but their QC is subpar.

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I wouldn't call Asus terrible on the tablet front. Not the best is better suited but they aren't terrible by a long shot, they release the best tablets before anyone else, but their QC is subpar.
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"Release the best tablets?" I don't know, man. The Prime is beautiful, but the thing is practically a paper weight. The piss-poor I/O performance and constant ANRs make it just about unusable for anything other than light web browsing. I'm not exaggerating either. You can check out the Prime forums if you don't believe me.

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"Release the best tablets?" I don't know, man. The Prime is beautiful, but the thing is practically a paper weight. The piss-poor I/O performance and constant ANRs make it just about unusable for anything other than light web browsing. I'm not exaggerating either. You can check out the Prime forums if you don't believe me.
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I already asked this, but you still don't answer. If you believe Asus makes garbage and you have "evidence/proof/personal experience" then why did you buy an N7? If you don't have an N7 because of the pure awesomeness of your iPad, then what the hell are you even on the N7 forums for?
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My first unit has screen lift which is pretty minor, but it also has dead audio jack (one side) and touch issues (one touch turns into two, causing random zooming and problems in Swype). I have had good luck with asus pc components but this is not very impressive.
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I already asked this, but you still don't answer. If you believe Asus makes garbage and you have "evidence/proof/personal experience" then why did you buy an N7? If you don't have an N7 because of the pure awesomeness of your iPad, then what the hell are you even on the N7 forums for?
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Sorry if you asked it - I didn't see it.
My most hated tech company is Asus. However, my most beloved tech company is Google, and I specifically love their Nexus line. I own every Nexus device - I even imported the Galaxy Nexus from Europe before it went on sale here. I'm an unapologetic Google/Nexus fan boy. So as you can imagine, Google using Asus for their first Nexus tablet put me in a tough spot. I held out for a week after it was released, but finally decided that it was worth it to bite the bullet and get the tablet despite it being made by Asus, especially considering the low $200 price point, and especially considering that it would be supported by Google and not Asus. And I love the N7. Sure, I had to install some shims and crazy glue the screen, but I love the thing. I'm just speaking the truth about Asus. Sorry if you don't like it.
Also, not sure what you're talking about re: "the pure awesomeness of your iPad" comment. Just because I'm ripping on Asus doesn't mean I'm an Apple fanboy. On the contrary, I'm a huge Android fanboy. I have the original iPad back from when it was released, before Android tablets existed. I don't even use it anymore. Very odd comment on your part, IMHO.

Opinion on this phone from an LG hater

I've absolutely bashed LG for every phone they made because in all honesty, theyre crap. They are horrible cell phone manufacturers and they should stick to TV's.
After seeing the Optimus4X I was pretty impressed, but it was an LG so I wouldnt buy it anyways.
Then I saw the Optimus G. Hmmmmm theyre getting somewhere, the specs are there and the phone actually looks nice. But its STILL an LG.
Then the Nexus 4....holy cow this thing is amazing. PRICE, specs, build quality (that i can tell from videos)
But its an LG...........
IDC
The fact that it doesnt have LTE or a removable battery or expandable storage was nothing new. They had already said that it was not going to happen. Except for the LTE I mean. Thats not that important. Only ATT is a GSM carrier with LTE right now and they hardly have any. So pretty much no one cares..
BUT ITS AN LG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I could just care less. Maybe they had to use them to keep the price down. Its ok Google. With that firepower, it could be a ZTE or something crappy like that and I would still buy it. Put a case over it and cover that branding LOL.
But all in all, how can you hate a phone this cheap with these specs from Google?
If you do, im sorry but go away. go buy an iphonecrap
I was literally about to pay full price for a galaxynote2. but then this was announced.
I can buy 2 of these if i want for the same money.
Enjoy the phones my friends. I will.
(if you dont go away)

uhh... WHAT!?

As long as its not a kyocera, I'm good with it
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Yeah....it looks nice but I'm going to hold off gushing praise until we know it can deliver all that s4 pro performance without overheating and choking down all the battery.
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LGs typically sucked because of the horrible software builds. This being a nexus pretty much eliminates that big issue.
The s4 pro has great battery. The optimus g gets 8 hours screen on. The issue is the prerelease software the reviewers got. Expect the final version to do similar if not better the optimus g.
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kcls said:
As long as its not a kyocera, I'm good with it
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Hahaha LmAO I have to agree ROFL
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I'm in the same boat, always bashed LG ever since I recommended the original LG Optimus (A budget phone when it came out) to two friends and never heard the end of it.. apps were crashing without reason, the whole phone would lag up randomly and it was just chaos, I ended up installing CM7 on them both and it stopped some but not all problems.
I didn't even pay attention to the LG market up until recently, I thought well if it's LG then it will have a childish UI and be built for idiots. Wow was I wrong with this one. I haven't been this impressed with the design of a phone since I got my iPhone 4 on launch day. The iPhone 4, if anyone remembers is the only iPhone that I actually appreciate because it was completely different and built to look good while remain more powerful than the competition at the time.
I am going to buy the Nexus 4 as soon as I can and hope that it's just as good as the hype makes it out to be, I've already found a buyer for my S3 i9300 (not LTE version) for a cool $400 which gives me enough money to get the 16GB for $399 here in Australia and only spend $20 on shipping. But if it's anything like the original Optimus, this phone will be finding a place in a drawer and I'll go back to Samsung, Exynos sources/documentation or not.
TL;DR This phone better be good or else my newly regained faith in LG will diminish as quickly as it came.
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Cool story bro
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DarkRyoushii said:
I'm in the same boat, always bashed LG ever since I recommended the original LG Optimus (A budget phone when it came out) to two friends and never heard the end of it.. apps were crashing without reason, the whole phone would lag up randomly and it was just chaos, I ended up installing CM7 on them both and it stopped some but not all problems.
I didn't even pay attention to the LG market up until recently, I thought well if it's LG then it will have a childish UI and be built for idiots. Wow was I wrong with this one. I haven't been this impressed with the design of a phone since I got my iPhone 4 on launch day. The iPhone 4, if anyone remembers is the only iPhone that I actually appreciate because it was completely different and built to look good while remain more powerful than the competition at the time.
I am going to buy the Nexus 4 as soon as I can and hope that it's just as good as the hype makes it out to be, I've already found a buyer for my S3 i9300 (not LTE version) for a cool $400 which gives me enough money to get the 16GB for $399 here in Australia and only spend $20 on shipping. But if it's anything like the original Optimus, this phone will be finding a place in a drawer and I'll go back to Samsung, Exynos sources/documentation or not.
TL;DR This phone better be good or else my newly regained faith in LG will diminish as quickly as it came.
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I'm still using my LG Optimus. It's been the most reliable phone I've had. I've thrown this thing, quite literally, across rooms before, and it's 2 years old and I've yet to put a single scratch on it. Development has been amazing, I'm currently running a completely stable CM9 on it, and there is MIUI, AOKP, CM10, CM7, CNA, you name it, that are all slightly less stable. It might not be the best phone in the world, but it's good. My phone before this was a non-android LG phone, and it was pretty solid too. Software sucked (it was a feature phone. All software sucked for them lol) but once again, the build quality was solid. So far, I've only had good experience with LG Phones, and I'm guessing this Nexus will be a fine addition.
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Thanks for your opinion on a phone you only saw pictures of. So comforting coming from a guy that admits to being biased easily.
Oh and BTW... just to help you with electronics... LG produces ****ty TVs...

does this phone support micro sd card?

No but I hear people are fine with that since it has 128gb internal memory, LTE and a reinforced aluminum back and dual removable battery

even i hate lg but the nexus 4 is amazing!! i hated lg for its late updates , ugly firmware...

This hardly needs a thread of its own mate, come on.
Closed.

[POLL] Stick with S5 or get OnePlus One?

What do you guys think? Would you be sticking with your s5 or will be buying the one+ one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIUTV63TSU4
OnePlus One Phone Explained. HOW is it so cheap?
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I've been thinking of getting an OnePlus One as a secondary device (well, tertiary, as my note 3 is my primary and my s5 secondary)

for that price without a doubt
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Gonna stick with s5. Got a note 2 for my phablet needs
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S5 all the way!
Size, sd card, replaceable battery, water resistant!
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The OnePlus One looks great, but I don't think I'll switch out my S5.
I have a friend that will probably pick it up so I can check it out then.

No, even if the Oneplus One seems to be fast, I prefer my S5 with its new touchwizz. And no Sd card extension on the One.

The Oneplus One really looks amazing and quite a threat to the flagships at that price. And apparently the camera is really good. I however don't like what i've seen so for from the software on it.

Considering there will be no service center anywhere for a newly opened company, no guarantees that the company will even survive beyond 2014, dodgy ordering system I am least interested. Actually that company looks likes a scam to me in most ways they talk and the 'invite' method looks very suspicious.
And the fact that they are using CM is a huge negative for me. I never liked CM, and always thought it as a useless bragging rights for nerds who would use inferior products just to make themselves look cool.

really? no small companies, no big companies?
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Considering there will be no service center anywhere for a newly opened company, no guarantees that the company will even survive beyond 2014, dodgy ordering system I am least interested. Actually that company looks likes a scam to me in most ways they talk and the 'invite' method looks very suspicious.
And the fact that they are using CM is a huge negative for me. I never liked CM, and always thought it as a useless bragging rights for nerds who would use inferior products just to make themselves look cool.
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I'm pretty much disillusioned with the idea of "service" for my phone. If it breaks in time they may replace it, but the replacement through insurance got me the runner-up last time anyway. (HTC Sensation rather than another Galaxy S)
Funny, I see CM as a big improvement in many places, and even though I haven't been running *pure* CM, most of the ROMs I have used have been based off of CM. While I appreciate the availability of forked custom ROMs, I really like that the core things are being addressed by a bigger dev team (in addition to google changes merged back in)
Of course, my Galaxy S was almost immediately abandoned by T-Mobile and Samsung, and the only way I got farther than 2.1-update1 was through the community ROMs.
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CLARiiON said:
Considering there will be no service center anywhere for a newly opened company, no guarantees that the company will even survive beyond 2014, dodgy ordering system I am least interested. Actually that company looks likes a scam to me in most ways they talk and the 'invite' method looks very suspicious.
And the fact that they are using CM is a huge negative for me. I never liked CM, and always thought it as a useless bragging rights for nerds who would use inferior products just to make themselves look cool.
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how can u say that? a lot of u havent seen the quality of the oppo products blurays or phones..the majority of the oneplus one guys including the ceo are ex oppo employees

For the price of one S5 you can buy 2 Oneplus one phones and each one has better specs than it as well. Sounds like a good deal to me.
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Oneplusone looking good over here.

N the Oneplus One looks much better than S5 from every angle.. Even my Nexus 5 looks much better than S5 though..
But still Oneplus One is a gorgeous phone but the size is a little big for my liking..
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FuMMoD said:
For the price of one S5 you can buy 2 Oneplus one phones and each one has better specs than it as well. Sounds like a good deal to me.
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Specs aren't anything. S4 and M7 have similar specs and I think the s4 is MUCH better of a device. The N5 has slightly less specs than the s5 and m8 and neither of those devices feel like an upgrade at all (except speaker and camera quality - I'd take N5 camera over M7 and M8 any day).
Specs aren't everything. I've seen the android authority video on the one+ 1 and it lags like every other cm11 os. Very unimpressed and if I had a S5 I wouldn't even think about getting the one+... Even with the s5's cartoonish display and useless gimmicks... I have the n5 and wouldn't consider it.
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I'm getting one just waiting for an invite.
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how can u say that? a lot of u havent seen the quality of the oppo products blurays or phones..the majority of the oneplus one guys including the ceo are ex oppo employees
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how can I say what??
I haven't seen any service centers for this new company. have you seen one?? will they survive for few years? I don't know, I have my doubts.
Their ordering scheme of invite and smashing sounds ridiculous to me. If you like such things, that's upto you. I don't like it.
As for CM, I find them highly overrated.

No way, but kuddos to them for doing that at that price point. For me though, don't need a phablet, my neighbor has a Note 3 and it's too big imo for my daily driver, very noticeable over my S5. Plus all the benefits of the S5 make it worth it, water proof etc

CLARiiON said:
how can I say what??
I haven't seen any service centers for this new company. have you seen one?? will they survive for few years? I don't know, I have my doubts.
Their ordering scheme of invite and smashing sounds ridiculous to me. If you like such things, that's upto you. I don't like it.
As for CM, I find them highly overrated.
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whatever floats ur bloat :good:

CLARiiON said:
As for CM, I find them highly overrated.
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This ^^^
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