Hello I just start using the new Motorola Razr i, since 2007 I'm using iPhone, as many of you I'm mobile developer, so iOS 6 for me in this very moment is not very interesting, so I decided to change to Android and to motorola Razr i because I think is a good terminal with good materials.
Well what is my surprise when after 2 weeks I discover that Motorola Change the Path name of the internal storage to "sdcard" and the SD card to "external1" it would't be a problem but the 99% of the apps are programmed to download the data in "mnt/sdcard" so my internal memory is full, and the sdcard almost empty.
well I don't want to change it, I'm very happy with the moto, but this is terrible, 2 weeks no memory WTF??? I try everything links to the sdcard(internal memory) using bussyBox, doing it with terminal, try to rename directories everything, and well maybe we can make it works, but again WTF??? I change to android but this kind of things are a bit disappointed as a developer and as a user.
I ask you guys what do you think about this? is normal? some people say that is a "feature" well would be if the phone would be able to store the files in external1(real sd card) but Moto how you can think that the developers are gonna adapt the apps to be use with the partition logic that you implemented ?
anyway if this continue like this, I would give up with motorola, only because I need space in my phone only because of that.
thanks for your reply solutions or comments.
xopen.
SO?
So... mattlgroff are you happy with this? a mean you love this device, how you are gonna deal with this?
xopendaz said:
I ask you guys what do you think about this? is normal? some people say that is a "feature" well would be if the phone would be able to store the files in external1(real sd card) but Moto how you can think that the developers are gonna adapt the apps to be use with the partition logic that you implemented ?
anyway if this continue like this, I would give up with motorola, only because I need space in my phone only because of that.
thanks for your reply solutions or comments.
xopen.
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This solutions work fine for me. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1410262
Thanks works perferct.
but still..... this kind of things I would expect them from samsung, sony ,htc.. but from google?
thanks for the information and thanks to the developer.
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Is there any app available that can do this???
Nope.
But the request does come up enough that maybe I should write up something simple...
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Nope.
But the request does come up enough that maybe I should write up something simple...
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That would be awesome. A lot of times theres no specs on the speed of cards out there and your not really sure of what you are buying. It would be awesome.
excellent idea for an app. there are cards out there that do not list there class and cards that are listed as class 2 yet reach class 6 speeds.
cheers,
ryan
If you guys would give me a good algorithim to test read/write speeds I can work on it later tonight. It will probably take a few days a best.
But My idea is write a 2 meg file to the SD card, time it. Read the same file from the card, time it. Do a little math...present some numbers...
Now there are a lot of issues that could come into play with that method. Maybe repeat it 3 or 4 times just to see an average, but still its not the best that it could be.
What about just getting a microsd adapter or even mounting it to the computer. And then run a program that tests read/write speeds and use it on the card. like h2testw or something :/
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What about just getting a microsd adapter or even mounting it to the computer. And then run a program that tests read/write speeds and use it on the card. like h2testw or something :/
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1. On the phone is just cooler
2. On another thread about this topic there was debate about how accurate it would be to use an adapter or mounting as a drive. Adding cable seems to me like it could increase latency and you are no longer using the phones OS to test its internal stuff. ( i know its USB its faster than the card anyways, but see #1)
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If you guys would give me a good algorithim to test read/write speeds I can work on it later tonight. It will probably take a few days a best.
But My idea is write a 2 meg file to the SD card, time it. Read the same file from the card, time it. Do a little math...present some numbers...
Now there are a lot of issues that could come into play with that method. Maybe repeat it 3 or 4 times just to see an average, but still its not the best that it could be.
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You can start from there then trial and error. I was thinking you can take a look at any of the web SpeedTests in the market and learn something from there.
If you are on linux you can mount the phone and run
Code:
hdparm -tT /dev/sdd
where sdd is the phones drive(could be different on your machine)
That will give you a read speed but would would be limited by your USB read speed.
Hdparm is not built into android so you can't run it from the phone. There is one command that is built in that can measure speeds... However it is VERY VERY VERY dangerous so I hesitate to post it here but... dd
For the love of God do not mess with dd unless you read up on it and fully understand it. You could very easily measure write speed as well as read with dd but you would need an empty card because you would have to just blindly write to the blocks on the card. Doing which will at the bare minimum if you know what you are doing overwrite stuff on the card. Worst case is you mess up your partition table and have to re-partition. So I will only point you in the direction of dd and not post any code on how to use it for fear of some idiot entering the code and wiping their phone(although they would have to know how to use adb shell so they wouldn't be complete idiots)
This would be a useful app. I have a class 6 PNY SD and want to know how fast it really is.
Wow, what an AMAZING idea for an app. I would be more than happy to help and test!!!
Sooo
I am working on this guys.
I have gotten the program writing a file out to the SDcard. It just a randomly filled Byte Array being parsed to a file on the SDcard a few times, then reading it back off (Haven't got the reading part yet). I am running into some FC issues and also getting the timer to work is being a PITA. Android doesn't like my threads for some reason.
If I have time this week maybe I can get it done - or at least working, but I have some stuff going on that may slow down progress.
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Also if anyone that is not quite so Artisticly Challenged as I am wants to get me some drawables. I can use an Icon and a 320x480 image back ground (Let's try to keep it simple , I have seen some of your boot screens. lol)
Bump for moral support!
couldn't you just pop it into an adapter, and use HD Tune on your pc? http://www.hdtune.com/
I think the concept of the app request is so people don't have to turn off theory beloved heroes and pull battery just to get to the SD card, babe.
couldn't you just pop it into an adapter, and use HD Tune on your pc? http://www.hdtune.com/
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Kcarpenter, if you don't mind me asking what the status on this?
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Kcarpenter, if you don't mind me asking what the status on this?
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Well, it reads and writes a 6 meg file while spinning a wait cursor LOL.
Been working on final projects the past few weeks.
Might have something out 2 week of june.
As it stands now:
1)Need to setup a time mechanism - probably most acurate to grab a time stamp before the start and after the finish. Threads tend to get time messed up.
2)After the file is written and the time is figured out. Need to display the read/write results.
3)Then need to cleanup the file and ram after everything is done.
Also, I have seen the file only become half of the size it should be (3 mb)....which I think has something to do with UTF (Chars taking up 2 bytes)....but I am not sure yet.
And on top of that...who the hell knows if its accurate LOL.
But it's been interesting and fun.
haha, well thats good. keeps you interested then. i honestly dont kknow anything about programming and what not, so i cant help you there. buuuutttt when you finish and need testers i can help. well try anyways
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haha, well thats good. keeps you interested then. i honestly dont kknow anything about programming and what not, so i cant help you there. buuuutttt when you finish and need testers i can help. well try anyways
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I am really interested to see if it's even remotly accurate.
Seems like creating a 6 meg file and writing it out from memory to the card would surely test well... But there are a crap ton of things that could come into play and effect it.
I guess we'll only know if we try.
unless my phone explodes, i see nothing wrong with trying it out.
I sort of went down the rooting route due to everyone saying it was a MUST - even though the LG ran well, everything worked well and battery life was OK if not groundbreaking. So I was kind of half-hearted to start with.
Well, after 2 days of having to keep re-romming after this didn't work and that didn't work (Bluetooth in particular) I just can't get MIUI to see the 16gb card as the 16gb it is, it shows as 5. Now I had read this before. But that the LG software had this problem not the rooted stock. I even tried to go back to LG's original - It didn't work. The download on here (UK version of original Optimus 2x) doesn't install. Says "aborted" - this after horrendously slow download speeds. Keeps saying it's part of a multi-pack on my PC. Put them both on, but....
Anyways. The 16gb card. Ive tried another 16gb card with the same end result.
Can anyone PLEASE help me. Ive got no help on the MIUI site, and just lost. I tried to install Navfree and another navigation prog (Navfree UK maps don't download properly - keeps demanding more and more downloads. Ridiculously so - had to be uninstalled) tried another one, and it said it needed a 750mb download and there wasn't enough room - there was a MOUNTAIN of room. But its showing as 5. (Even there, theres not close to 5gb used)
Can anyone PLEASE help ?
All Ive got so far asking on half a dozen sites, is silence so far in 4 days
I doubt what is 'seen' as 5 gb by your phone is your SD card. I haven't ever heard of such problems. Big chances are, which often happens, that you're mistaking the internal memory as the sd card.
Stock MIUI mounts the internal and external cards the same way as stock LG ROM, but there could be a chance you used a swap mount mod without knowing.
I actually wanted to laugh, here i upload a file just for you
Here is the link for the sd mod.
http://www.box.com/s/7pl04u9onk76d80yb5tl
Credits goes too this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1263311
Lol nice heading of miui. 16/miui = 5 kidding, never mind
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Excellent !!!!!
crankyboy said:
I actually wanted to laugh, here i upload a file just for you
Here is the link for the sd mod.
http://www.box.com/s/7pl04u9onk76d80yb5tl
Credits goes too this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1263311
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You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. It's solved my irritating problem and thats an understatement - now I have a proper 16gb sd micro in and all the room that invokes !
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Lol nice heading of miui. 16/miui = 5 kidding, never mind
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And where was that ? Not in the heading. Check again.
Click the _______ button. (Fill in the blanks) Hint*"when somebody did a favour you should ?":
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You might have fake memory, memory thats been hacked to look like it has more than it does....the chinese do stupid s**t like that. Sometimes when the card is formatted the true memory capacity is revealed.
He is using MIUI ROM
Miui only uses the internel sd card ~~
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Er.....I checked, and yes, a big thanks given to you for your help. Quite profuse, actually. Ive just noticed the "thanks" button - but you could have done it with a LOT more grace.
Clearly, being thanked profusely didn't do it for you ?
Hard man to please.
I'll click the button then that I missed until er.....reminded of it a little too grumpily for me - hopefully that'll tick the box for you.
Still, while being a little miffed at the attitude, Im still very grateful for your help, for all that.
guys i know you all heard for this app (Ram manager pro)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.smartprojects.RAMOptimization&hl=en
but, i bet lot of you didnt notice a biiiiiig update...now you can swap your RAM on your internal, the fastest partition in our device (not even close to sd card class100)
but, im not sure about it, and i ask for help from developers or android wizz that know this method...
i noticed that this thing works, but, after you swap, you dont have space left...so, iv got partitioned my sd card, only to 256mb, just to check...and it really works again!
Again, but, you need to create swap file right after flashing fresh rom, so it (swap file) occupy internal memory at once! Cause, if you instal some apps, it will use sd ext, and probably go to sd card, wich doesnt make any difference in performance...
Once again, im asking for opinion of expert, to confirm this...
Im using latest jb4.2.2, and best way to check this is to play some game and to listen a music at same time : DIDNT GET FC OR ANY LAG!
tnx in advance
NOTE: don't create swap bigger than 128mb, thats our max internal
Does it really works? Because i used to swap too but it didnt make any difference in performance. The only thing i notice is my phone got hotter alot.....
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Nixoman said:
guys i know you all heard for this app (Ram manager pro)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.smartprojects.RAMOptimization&hl=en
but, i bet lot of you didnt notice a biiiiiig update...now you can swap your RAM on your internal, the fastest partition in our device (not even close to sd card class100)
but, im not sure about it, and i ask for help from developers or android wizz that know this method...
i noticed that this thing works, but, after you swap, you dont have space left...so, iv got partitioned my sd card, only to 256mb, just to check...and it really works again!
Again, but, you need to create swap file right after flashing fresh rom, so it (swap file) occupy internal memory at once! Cause, if you instal some apps, it will use sd ext, and probably go to sd card, wich doesnt make any difference in performance...
Once again, im asking for opinion of expert, to confirm this...
Im using latest jb4.2.2, and best way to check this is to play some game and to listen a music at same time : DIDNT GET FC OR ANY LAG!
tnx in advance
NOTE: don't create swap bigger than 128mb, thats our max internal
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Tried this last year .....the script was made by custdroid.....
Unfortunately the constant read and write on ROM is not so good for the hardware.. ...so I deprecated the project for mini also with such low internal memory I could create only 32mb swap on internal and the phone soon started yo take its toll ...you may try this but I am sharing my experience cause it may feel smooth for sometime but it reduces the life of your mini considerably cause ROM is supposed to non-volatile unlike RAM which is volatile...
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but isnt everytime you start app you writing and reading with data and cache? on internal?
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but isnt everytime you start app you writing and reading with data and cache? on internal?
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But is that really as frequent and as comprehensive as RAM?
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But is that really as frequent and as comprehensive as RAM?
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i don't know, only way is to test it by myself, ill report behavior of my mini in one week, iv got nothing to lose, already out of warranty, almost 3 years old, got new nokia n9, i gonna take the bullet for that
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i don't know, only way is to test it by myself, ill report behavior of my mini in one week, iv got nothing to lose, already out of warranty, almost 3 years old, got new nokia n9, i gonna take the bullet for that
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That was a rhetoric question ....sarcasm if you may ...anyway you may try it....
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That was a rhetoric question ....sarcasm if you may ...anyway you may try it....
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why to be rhetoric when can be (or not) usefull if no harm causing to device? :fingers-crossed:
When will we get this functionality? The S4 has this option on their app manager wherein they can transfer installed apps to their memory card without rooting their unit. I know for a fact that Sony released the Z1 months after the S4 why didn't they include this functionality on our phones considering it is "premium". I bought the this phone because I trust the brand and I have been loyal to them. I beleive not having this functionality is a big draw back given that we only have 16gb of internal memory to use for app, which is pretty low. I hope Sony can resolve this?
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When will we get this functionality? The S4 has this option on their app manager wherein they can transfer installed apps to their memory card without rooting their unit. I know for a fact that Sony released the Z1 months after the S4 why didn't they include this functionality on our phones considering it is "premium". I bought the this phone because I trust the brand and I have been loyal to them. I beleive not having this functionality is a big draw back given that we only have 16gb of internal memory to use for app, which is pretty low. I hope Sony can resolve this?
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I agree. I come from HTC HD2 to Z1 right now and I am disappointed too. I think the solution is to flash some scripts or even a ROM Rooted.
I start searching.
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When will we get this functionality? The S4 has this option on their app manager wherein they can transfer installed apps to their memory card without rooting their unit. I know for a fact that Sony released the Z1 months after the S4 why didn't they include this functionality on our phones considering it is "premium". I bought the this phone because I trust the brand and I have been loyal to them. I beleive not having this functionality is a big draw back given that we only have 16gb of internal memory to use for app, which is pretty low. I hope Sony can resolve this?
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When I got my phones I thought it was kinda weird with how they link their directories. The storage/emulated/0 etc etc and apparently this is the reason APP2SD is not supported.
It's easy to get around this with apps like link2sd etc.. But for non-rooted I don't know. I just wished it was there officially.
I use Note 2 rooted and I can't move apps even with app2sd apps. (10gb on Note 2 is hardly enough)
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if anyone can get this method working on their Z1, do let us know. i posted it a while back but till now, nobody has successfully got it to work.
http://techgage.com/article/moving_your_non-movable_android_apps_to_an_sd_card/
good luck!
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I use Note 2 rooted and I can't move apps even with app2sd apps. (10gb on Note 2 is hardly enough)
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10GB has never been enough, In my honest opinion I think 32GB should be the standard for mid range and hi end phones.
Guys Get Fouler Mount it used to work for me on my Xperia S when i had it i have Z1 now and its not working but i might be just doing something wrong. Its a really good app but you need to be rooted to be able to use it.
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10GB has never been enough, In my honest opinion I think 32GB should be the standard for mid range and hi end phones.
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When I bought my Note 2, they claimed I would get 16gb. When I brought it home and used it, there's only 10gb. So:
1) where's that 6gb?
2)It's not the os. (I'm using Illusion ROM which uses 200+mb while stock needs 1gb)
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You are right for that part for unrooted devices.
But if you are root you have endless combination and ideas.
You can even use Xposed modules to tell your camera (stock/snap/better) to store your pict to sdcard.
As I said - I agree with that part - it would be great to have that without rooting but that's the way it is.
I always root my phones - to get adaway and remove that stupid baners from apps
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You are right for that part for unrooted devices.
But if you are root you have endless combination and ideas.
You can even use Xposed modules to tell your camera (stock/snap/better) to store your pict to sdcard.
As I said - I agree with that part - it would be great to have that without rooting but that's the way it is.
I always root my phones - to get adaway and remove that stupid baners from apps
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My camera app (from Illusion ROM) has the feature to take pics to SD cards by default.
Irwenzhao said:
My camera app (from Illusion ROM) has the feature to take pics to SD cards by default.
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Yeah, many 3rd party apps has that option.
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Irwenzhao said:
My camera app (from Illusion ROM) has the feature to take pics to SD cards by default.
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On Xperia Z1 too. We are talking about app data which can be moved to the SDcard instead of internal storage of the phone.
ex: game apk on the phone, game data on sd.
I use GL to SD root App. Needs a fix though. There's a post about it some where on here.
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I haven't even noticed the option was missing. Even my old Arc on Gingerbread had the App to SD card option.
Guys does anyone here solved this problem in xperia z1 to move applications in SD card because i dont want to fully loaded my internal memory which is only 16GB..
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I would like to know about that also. Since my phone is not rooted, how do you get apps to install directly to the SD card. thanks
Me too.
bhagiratha said:
I would like to know about that also. Since my phone is not rooted, how do you get apps to install directly to the SD card. thanks
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Still my apps is installed in my internal memory...i hope in the next release of their firmware or android kitkat it supports moving apps to sd card.
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Guys does anyone here solved this problem in xperia z1 to move applications in SD card because i dont want to fully loaded my internal memory which is only 16GB..
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I don't think we can install apps on the SD card yet ):
The OS is unix based, you can create symbolic links in the internal memory to point to the External SD card. These links tell the OS to look in the location you specified whenever something requests that folder, pretty much seamless.
There are other tools that have been developed which automate some of this for you, if you are not comfortable typing in a terminal window.
There is already a thread about this, conclusion is that mattiad is not going to be doing an internal2external mod, been using his mod for years and I asked him, told me that without the device in his hands (probably donated as he isn't going to be buying it) it isn't going to be happening, mount points and code are different from the s3 apparently.
I've personally been using folder mount, it's a paid app but allows you to mount the larger games and apps found in android/obb or anywhere from one location to another.
Upped my memory to 5GB from 2GB, I've got about 4 large games and around 100 apps installed so it does work.
Link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.devasque.fmount&hl=en_GB
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There is already a thread about this, conclusion is that mattiad is not going to be doing an internal2external mod, been using his mod for years and I asked him, told me that without the device in his hands (probably donated as he isn't going to be buying it) it isn't going to be happening, mount points and code are different from the s3 apparently.
I've personally been using folder mount, it's a paid app but allows you to mount the larger games and apps found in android/obb or anywhere from one location to another.
Upped my memory to 5GB from 2GB, I've got about 4 large games and around 100 apps installed so it does work.
Link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.devasque.fmount&hl=en_GB
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Thanks mate!
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dladz said:
There is already a thread about this, conclusion is that mattiad is not going to be doing an internal2external mod, been using his mod for years and I asked him, told me that without the device in his hands (probably donated as he isn't going to be buying it) it isn't going to be happening, mount points and code are different from the s3 apparently.
I've personally been using folder mount, it's a paid app but allows you to mount the larger games and apps found in android/obb or anywhere from one location to another.
Upped my memory to 5GB from 2GB, I've got about 4 large games and around 100 apps installed so it does work.
Link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.devasque.fmount&hl=en_GB
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Thank you for the hint. I hope, that after upgrading to 14.2.A.0.290 root will not be remove and rooting will not be so difficult.
schickel said:
Thank you for the hint. I hope, that after upgrading to 14.2.A.0.290 root will not be remove and rooting will not be so difficult.
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Root will happen and there will always be a way around things, the problem Z1 users are facing is a lack of dev's to accomplish these things. Just compare the note 3 forum with this one, huge difference.
The camera bug has obviously played a part in this but it's causing irreparable damage to the Z1 community and has probably put off some dev's we could sorely do with.
Hopefully it'll change withe new releases but as time goes on i'm losing faith to be honest.
dladz said:
Root will happen and there will always be a way around things, the problem Z1 users are facing is a lack of dev's to accomplish these things. Just compare the note 3 forum with this one, huge difference.
The camera bug has obviously played a part in this but it's causing irreparable damage to the Z1 community and has probably put off some dev's we could sorely do with.
Hopefully it'll change withe new releases but as time goes on i'm losing faith to be honest.
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Haha! Dont loose faith mate it's just a phone we people are more intellegent than technology, because humans created it..
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gaboh24 said:
Haha! Dont loose faith mate it's just a phone we people are more intellegent than technology, because humans created it..
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Wearing very thin my friend