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Windows 7 Pre-Beta on EEE PC 1000H
Reading the above linked article, it seems to me that if all the Vista drivers for the Shift work with Windows 7, it might be the ideal replacement for Vista on the Shift.
The article mentions that on the EEE less than half the available RAM is consumed by the OS, which would be a massive improvement on Vista.
I was wondering if anyone here had access to the pre-Beta and was prepared to take the plunge and install it on their Shift. I'm sure I'll get a copy sooner or later via my Technet subscription, but since this is a pre-Beta, I'll probably have to wait for the first fully fledged beta copy.
Regards,
Dave
I was thinking exactly the same ...
I was thinking exactly the same ... and had even asked about it to Rob from Gottabemobile.com but i am still looking forward to someone actually trying it out ...
Folloing is my interaction with Rob in comments on Gottabemobile.com ( http://www.gottabemobile.com/2008/10/28/windows-7-tablet-pc-screen-shots/ )
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Dr. Angel Rajan Singh | Oct 29, 2008 | Reply
Hi Rob, if i am not wrong, you guys have an HTC shift. I’ll be grateful if someone could shed some shed light on whether HTC shift would support Windows 7 and will there be speed improvements by using Windows 7 on it instead of Vista?
It’s important for me to know at this stage because i need to decide whether to persist with HTC shift for long or not. I hate to part with the Shift as upto date it’s the best device with features which no other device has been able to replace till now … though their implementation is a bit floppy and Vista is a real resourse hog so far forcing me turn off aero all together and opt for basic ME, 97 like theme to make it work fine!
Sorry for the trouble but ur reply will be really helpful in giving the Shift a bright future!
Thanks in advance!
Rob | Oct 29, 2008 | Reply
We reviewed the HTC Shift last year, but do not have one. During the keynote yesterday, Sinofsky demoed Windows 7 running on a netbook, so it looks promising. "
You can find the Alpha versions of windows 7 in heaps of torrent site's
Windows 7 on shift
I'm downloading Windows 7 build 6801 now and will try to install it tonight.
Will post back later to let you know if the drivers work and the performance is better. I read an article somewhere on microsoft.com stating that in most cases Vista drivers will also work on windows 7. However, this was not the case on my desktop computer. The article also stated that windows 7 requires less ram than vista and will therefore run better on systems with only 1gb ram.
will look forward to your results eagerly ...
hi thanks for ur efforts ... i will eagerly look forward to ur results ...
and.... is it works? ;-)
i just tried to install it, but i get an error message, complaining about a missing install.wim.
i dont think thats supposed to be...so i have to keep at it and see what causes this. (make sure you burn the ISO using NERO.)
Ok, after a second try, Windows 7 is finally on my SHIFT.
wow, looks great. how is 7 running on the shift comparing with vista.
any more good news with 7 over vista? like, screen rotation? lol
once you played around with it a but more, let us know more about it! i'm sure we're all waiting to see if there are any good surprises.
wow .. plz post ur experience with windows 7 on shift
aquasesh said:
i just tried to install it, but i get an error message, complaining about a missing install.wim.
i dont think thats supposed to be...so i have to keep at it and see what causes this. (make sure you burn the ISO using NERO.)
Ok, after a second try, Windows 7 is finally on my SHIFT.
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Hi plz post your experience regarding how responsive is shift after installing windows 7 ...
I can see from screen shots that approx 500mb memory is free and that looks good ...
Any change is startup time? do u feel windows 7 less taxing than vista as far as windows graphics load is concerned?
And did all the existing drivers & programs work?
Sorry for the long list ... but i am too excited at the proposition of Shift actually turning out to be a faster device with windows 7
UPDATE: Windows 7 runs really well...even for a Pre BETA...i havent tested the stability much yet, but I can safely say, its much better than
Vista.
Even beats my Ubuntu in speed.
However, there are some small problems I have to fix first.
If you want to install Win 7, make sure to enable all devices (WIFI, BT) in your existing Vista first. Otherwise you might have some trouble enabling them until we figure out Control Center.
Almost all drivers run well, some have to be forced by using VISTA RTM
compatibility mode. But they will install fine.
Exception is, the Intel VGA driver wont install. But the default driver is already very good and newer.
Also, the Control Center for the EC doesnt work. It installs, but the shagctrl.exe crashes upon start. I have to see what goes on with that.
About the touchscreen. It was a little tricky at first and I needed to reinstall Windows 7. But if you install the EC driver first, before any other
driver, you can get it to work. The touchscreen responds perfect and the default calibration is also perfect. (better and more accurate than Vista)
Windows 7 itself seems like a good approach to a new OS. Its very simple and speedy and features a new taskbar, I would call it Quickbar...it has some jumplists where you can pin programs and folders. Its ok, but maybe better on big screens. Nice are the icon previews of your stuff launched in the taskbar...i will see that i get some screenshots going.
Also new is Internet Explorer 8, featuring site suggestions according to your surf behaviour. It also checks your downloads for threads while downloading.
Windows Media Player is 12.
Finally, i get about 110min battery life with default power settings, Wifi and Bluetooth enabled.
Does anyone have the original HTC driver and application set?
(not the one from the website, the one which comes with the Shift)
I want to try the older Control Center, but I am too lazy to extract the install.wim...
I got about the same results as aquasesh. Drivers installed ok except control center and touch screen. Windows 7 feels faster than Vista.
Let me know if you fint a solution to the control center and touch screen issues
deadnex said:
I got about the same results as aquasesh. Drivers installed ok except control center and touch screen. Windows 7 feels faster than Vista.
Let me know if you fint a solution to the control center and touch screen issues
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Touchscreen is fixed. Just install the Embedded Controller driver first, right after the installation. After that I installed fingerprint, chipset and
finally touchscreen.
I am about to test AVI performance. And after I will try to fix the Control Center.
Thanks mate
I really appreciate your work...
Thanks a ton for testing Windows 7 on Shift ...
Thanks a ton for testing Windows 7 on Shift ...
I am very eagerly following your feedback on the windows 7 experience as it was always my personal feeling that the culprit behind shift's slow response is vista ...
I will download windows 7 soon and will give it a try ...
Look forward to reading your's and other's experiences and refining my install when i take the plunge ...
Aquasesh - did you find a way to make the 1024x600 interpolation work in Windows 7?
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Aquasesh - did you find a way to make the 1024x600 interpolation work in Windows 7?
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Not yet, the main problem is that the tool to switch the resolution, relies on the control center to work.
So far, I have not been able to get this working and i havent found the problem either.
I want to try the shipping version of the control center, but i have to extract it from the recovery partition first...will do that in a couple of hours.
If this doesnt work, I will try a different approach and try to mix my own tool.
I also tested the AVI performance, but video plays slow as ass...so nothing changed here.
aquasesh said:
Not yet, the main problem is that the tool to switch the resolution, relies on the control center to work.
So far, I have not been able to get this working and i havent found the problem either.
I want to try the shipping version of the control center, but i have to extract it from the recovery partition first...will do that in a couple of hours.
If this doesnt work, I will try a different approach and try to mix my own tool.
I also tested the AVI performance, but video plays slow as ass...so nothing changed here.
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From where did you get your Beta?
thanks
Ram
Try this SwapResolution utility.
saiweb said:
From where did you get your Beta?
thanks
Ram
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Search the known torrent sites for something like "windows 7 build 6801 32 bit".
how I can insall app design for wp8 at wp7
what about update wp7 to wp8 (I have hd7 wp7.8)
md80410 said:
how I can insall app design for wp8 at wp7
what about update wp7 to wp8 (I have hd7 wp7.8)
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Firstly this is Windows 8 not windows phone 8.
But in answer to your question. There is no way to update a windows phone 7 device to windows phone 8. Windows phone 8 apps physically cannot run on windows phone 7 as it lacks the APIs to do so. Most developers right now still make apps for windows phone 7 because they can run on both 7 and 8.
If you want windows phone 8 and windows phone 8 apps, get a windows phone 8 handset.
As for upgrading WP7 device to WP8, it's technically not impossible - the hardware can run it (though poorly) - but the WP8 OS was designed to require hardware features not present on WP7 handsets. Consequently, there are no WP7 devices which receive an official update to WP8.
GoodDayToDie said:
As for upgrading WP7 device to WP8, it's technically not impossible - the hardware can run it (though poorly) - but the WP8 OS was designed to require hardware features not present on WP7 handsets. Consequently, there are no WP7 devices which receive an official update to WP8.
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The biggest limitation for an update is a complete kernel swap. WP7 used the windows CE kernel. WP8 uses the windows NT kernel. For all intents and purposes this makes them entirely different operating systems and the technical difficulty of issuing an update for WP7 to 8 would be like releasing an update to the iPhone that installs android or an update to windows 8 which installs OSX.
Its only because WP7 apps are in .NET and it was possible to port .NET to WP8 that WP7 apps do run on WP8. Other than that the only relationships between the 2 platforms are name, general design style and the fact that they are made by the same company.
But otherwise. WP8 could feasibly run on WP7 handsets. Its just it wouldn't be possible to do the same way as regular software updates. Plus most WP7 devices are actually pretty low spec, they were all single core hitting clock speeds of 1.4ghz max, half gb of ram usually. Not beasts of handsets at all.
What do you mean by "regular updates"? Each Windows Phone update required the phone switching to a special "Update OS" boot mode where the "ROM" of the main OS could be modified, and at that point switching out the kernel (and associated userspace libraries) is no harder than, for example, switching out IE7 for IE9 (which the Mango update to WP7 did). Yeah, it's not really the same OS afterward, but so what? The data is still there.
Admittedly, WP7 makes substantial use of Windows Embedded Database and CE Database files, which are accessed through APIs that are CE-specific extensions to the standard Win32 API. Those would either need to be ported to the Win32/NT API, or the data in them would need to be converted to another format during the update... or the phone's configuration would need to be wiped and set up with defaults again, which would kind of suck but still be better than "no WP8 for you; go buy new hardware!"
Anyhow, this whole thread is in the wrong forum. Could somebody do something about that?
I need to try windows phone, i'm gonna get a one if i like it:cyclops:
The Web based windows phone is crap:silly:
i don't have a SnapDragon 200 or 400 so i can install windows phone 8.1 when it's out
and i have Windows 8 x86 but the SDK needs x64, i don't want to upgrade to x64 cause my RAM is Small
Any Help?????
I... can't even really tell what you're talking about. "Web based windows phone"? "i can install windows phone 8.1"?
Most stores in the US will let you try a phone for a while, and if you don't like it you can return it (sometimes there's a "re-stocking fee"). I have no idea if there's anything equivalent wherever you are...
i)If you have android...u can try with those wp launchers (although personally they are crap)
ii)Watch a lot of wp youtube videos and then sleep...xperience it in your dreams!!
iii)steal a lumia from anyone you know
iv)try it out at a store
v)dont drink bfore posting
You could try running the SDK on a virtual x64 Windows machine using Windows Virtual PC
hi
is it possible to install windows 8.1 on nokia lumia 1520? hardware is good enough and display size is big enough to have windows
I request to find way to do that!
motibala said:
hi
is it possible to install windows 8.1 on nokia lumia 1520? hardware is good enough and display size is big enough to have windows
I request to find way to do that!
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Yes.
You have two possibility:
- Install Windows Phone 8.1 via the Preview for Developers (PFD) program.
- Wait for the official deployment.
I do not give you more information on the PFD, because the official deploy Windows Phone 8.1 (and Lumia Cyan) for Nokia Lumia 1520 should soon began. Also, Microsoft currently stopped for the moment (for a indefinitely period) deploying Windows Phone 8.1/Lumia Cyan on phones equipped with PFD.
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Yes.
You have two possibility:
- Install Windows Phone 8.1 via the Preview for Developers (PFD) program.
- Wait for the official deployment.
I do not give you more information on the PFD, because the official deploy Windows Phone 8.1 (and Lumia Cyan) for Nokia Lumia 1520 should soon began. Also, Microsoft currently stopped for the moment (for a indefinitely period) deploying Windows Phone 8.1/Lumia Cyan on phones equipped with PFD.
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thanks for your quick reply, I meant hack for windows 8.1 as a computer!
motibala said:
thanks for your quick reply, I meant hack for windows 8.1 as a computer!
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may be Windows RT which is the versión of Windows OS for ARM. Instead of that, think about something, since this is not open source is not possible to Port Windows RT, may be is possible using a virtual machine but that is a lot of work and i dont think anyone will do it for free. Just my two cents ?.
Yeah, the hardware is absolutely not "good enough" for normal Windows 8.1, because that only runs on x86 or x64 CPUs, not on ARM. Windows RT 8.1 is a locked-down version of Windows 8.1 which does run on ARM, but it's not "installable" in the usual sense so you'd need to hack it on there, and its performance on the 1520 would be OK but not tremendous.
The Lumia 2520 tablet is an example of an RT device.
No any way.. Can't do it. Lack of hardware requirements.
Thanks ALL
I'm about to buy a WP device, and of course it's my first WP device so I was doing some research on it.
We know that Lumia devices to WP are like Nexus device to Android, which means first gets update to new system.
And recently there a lot of wallet-friendly WP phones comes out like Prestigio, Yezz, Blu... etc, and as I have wait for 2 months that Lumia 630 dual sim is still not available in my country so I'm thinking about prestigio multiphone 8500.
Only thing I'm worrying about is system update. I take no doubt it's not gonna be as fast as Lumia devices get.
And I read an article about an app "windows preview for developers", and appears it can run on Lumia, Huawei and Samsung.
So I was wondering how does WP work?
I mean, for example the Android , each device has its own driver so need manufacturer to do the update.
And WP doesn't work that way? just like we saw on PC, one system contains almost all driver?
Each OEM device contains the Windows Phone OS + OEM/Carrier specific firmwares that do include drivers that will add and tweak things for the specific version of WP.
The Preview for Developers program allows a user to update his or her phone to the latest version of the Windows Phone OS ONLY, keeping the current firmware that you had installed BEFORE you updated the OS via the preview for developers. Before updating, Microsoft informs you that if something goes wrong with your phone, that it CAN void your warranty (unless you can get back to a previous version of the OS to match the version that is in production for your carrier).
The carriers will release the OEM/Carrier updates when they are approved.
qtwrk said:
I'm about to buy a WP device, and of course it's my first WP device so I was doing some research on it.
We know that Lumia devices to WP are like Nexus device to Android, which means first gets update to new system.
And recently there a lot of wallet-friendly WP phones comes out like Prestigio, Yezz, Blu... etc, and as I have wait for 2 months that Lumia 630 dual sim is still not available in my country so I'm thinking about prestigio multiphone 8500.
Only thing I'm worrying about is system update. I take no doubt it's not gonna be as fast as Lumia devices get.
And I read an article about an app "windows preview for developers", and appears it can run on Lumia, Huawei and Samsung.
So I was wondering how does WP work?
I mean, for example the Android , each device has its own driver so need manufacturer to do the update.
And WP doesn't work that way? just like we saw on PC, one system contains almost all driver?
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Hi,
Firstly, although now Nokia's mobile division belongs to Microsoft, I do not think as long as it is a kind of exclusivity for updates. It's just that there are only a duo (or rather all in one) Microsoft/Nokia that move your ass, the rest of the manufacturers do almost nothing, and royally fu** Windows Phone (Huawei, HTC, Samsung, etc). It is therefore felt in the updates:
- Nokia first in almost all the time
- Huawei, HTC, Samsung, etc. last
All this because some OEMs do not want to bet (big) on Windows Phone. This is unfortunate.
In addition, the updates via the Developers Preview for all models of Windows Phone 8 uild OS updates have the same time. Namely, since the GDR3 Preview, the Preview status updates become official once the release for everyone (almost no change the build version between of Preview/official).
On Windows Phone, the packages the OS portion and the firmware part *are separated*, which means that one can go without the other.
Some example (Nokia):
- Preview GDR3 WP8.0 on Lumia Amber (Lumia Amber is fully compatible under GDR2 WP8.0).
- Preview WP8.1 on Lumia Black (Lumia Black is fully compatible under GDR2 WP8.0).
- Preview GDR1 WP8.1 on Lumia Cyan (Lumia Cyan is fully compatible in WP8.1).
- Etc. (along with other OEM).
Of course, for each GDR (at minimum), OEMs need to update their firmware to make it fully compatible at this level (software-hardware).
anaheiim said:
Hi,
Firstly, although now Nokia's mobile division belongs to Microsoft, I do not think as long as it is a kind of exclusivity for updates. It's just that there are only a duo (or rather all in one) Microsoft/Nokia that move your ass, the rest of the manufacturers do almost nothing, and royally fu** Windows Phone (Huawei, HTC, Samsung, etc). It is therefore felt in the updates:
- Nokia first in almost all the time
- Huawei, HTC, Samsung, etc. last
All this because some OEMs do not want to bet (big) on Windows Phone. This is unfortunate.
In addition, the updates via the Developers Preview for all models of Windows Phone 8 uild OS updates have the same time. Namely, since the GDR3 Preview, the Preview status updates become official once the release for everyone (almost no change the build version between of Preview/official).
On Windows Phone, the packages the OS portion and the firmware part *are separated*, which means that one can go without the other.
Some example (Nokia):
- Preview GDR3 WP8.0 on Lumia Amber (Lumia Amber is fully compatible under GDR2 WP8.0).
- Preview WP8.1 on Lumia Black (Lumia Black is fully compatible under GDR2 WP8.0).
- Preview GDR1 WP8.1 on Lumia Cyan (Lumia Cyan is fully compatible in WP8.1).
- Etc. (along with other OEM).
Of course, for each GDR (at minimum), OEMs need to update their firmware to make it fully compatible at this level (software-hardware).
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thanks for your reply.
please forgive my stupidity and poor english, about GDR, can I take it like a big update on Windows , like Service Pack ? at least that's how I felt about this thing ...
what do you mean "Amber", "Black" and "Cyan" ? I assume it's like system name ? like TouchWiz , SenseUI and something ?
so I assume i bought a Prestigio Multiphone 8500 duo (WP8.1) , is it possible i get WP8.1 GDR1 myself ? (even somehow it's problematic and not fully compatible) or I must wait for OEM to do it ?
qtwrk said:
thanks for your reply.
please forgive my stupidity and poor english, about GDR, can I take it like a big update on Windows , like Service Pack ? at least that's how I felt about this thing ...
what do you mean "Amber", "Black" and "Cyan" ? I assume it's like system name ? like TouchWiz , SenseUI and something ?
so I assume i bought a Prestigio Multiphone 8500 duo (WP8.1) , is it possible i get WP8.1 GDR1 myself ? (even somehow it's problematic and not fully compatible) or I must wait for OEM to do it ?
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GDR means "General Distribution Release". GDRs provide bug fixes, modifications of any kind, add features, etc.
If Windows Phone 8 would "equal" (excuse the term) at Windows 7 (not Windows 8, because there are more Service Pack on this version), then yes a GDR would be about equal to a Service Pack.
Lumia Amber, Lumia Black and Lumia Cyan are firmware developed by Nokia. They contain all sorts of things, such as drivers, features, assembly (dll/exe), etc.
Basically, it is the firmware that makes the link between the hardware and the software. All other manufacturers are developing the firmwares for their Windows Phone, only they do not give of name at of their firmware. Nokia does.
All Windows Phone 8 will get the GDR1 of WP8.1, even your device (either by voice Preview, or by the official voice).
anaheiim said:
GDR means "General Distribution Release". GDRs provide bug fixes, modifications of any kind, add features, etc.
If Windows Phone 8 would "equal" (excuse the term) at Windows 7 (not Windows 8, because there are more Service Pack on this version), then yes a GDR would be about equal to a Service Pack.
Lumia Amber, Lumia Black and Lumia Cyan are firmware developed by Nokia. They contain all sorts of things, such as drivers, features, assembly (dll/exe), etc.
Basically, it is the firmware that makes the link between the hardware and the software. All other manufacturers are developing the firmwares for their Windows Phone, only they do not give of name at of their firmware. Nokia does.
All Windows Phone 8 will get the GDR1 of WP8.1, even your device (either by voice Preview, or by the official voice).
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if I may , i'd like to know something more about WP.
as we can see in Android , the eco-system is full of fragment , and Google couldn't push OEMs to update their devices, does Microsoft have more control over this matter ?
I mean , how could Microsoft to be so sure about all WP8 devices will get GDR1 ? for Lumia series I can understand , but what about devices of Huawei , Samsung and other OEMs ? how could Microsoft guarantee the update on NO-Lumia devices ?
qtwrk said:
if I may , i'd like to know something more about WP.
as we can see in Android , the eco-system is full of fragment , and Google couldn't push OEMs to update their devices, does Microsoft have more control over this matter ?
I mean , how could Microsoft to be so sure about all WP8 devices will get GDR1 ? for Lumia series I can understand , but what about devices of Huawei , Samsung and other OEMs ? how could Microsoft guarantee the update on NO-Lumia devices ?
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All Windows Phone 8 device has support in terms of updates. Support for Windows Phone 8 will normally end at the latest in 2016 (for some device).
On this point, you do not have to inquitez, not before long (and in hope that Microsoft to learn from their mistake with WP7).
anaheiim said:
All Windows Phone 8 device has support in terms of updates. Support for Windows Phone 8 will normally end at the latest in 2016 (for some device).
On this point, you do not have to inquitez, not before long (and in hope that Microsoft to learn from their mistake with WP7).
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with all due respect sir , i think you misunderstood me ...
my main question is , how could Microsoft possibly to oversee the update over all other OEMs ? for Lumia , there is no doubts about that ...
like they've made a contract , agreement , or such thing ?
we see how the looser Google is, in the control, special the update part of Android ...:crying:
Microsoft controls the phone update servers. If an OEM doesn't want to release an update for their phone, MS could (in theory) just push the OS update to all users of that phone anyhow. This would be functionally equivalent to using the Preview For Developers option, except doing it for everybody instead of just those who opted into it.
PFD allows you to update any WP8 device from any OEM and on any carrier as though it were an Android Nexus device: you get the updates as soon as Microsoft publishes them, without waiting on OEM/MO customizations and without the OEM or MO having any opportunity to block or delay the update unless it breaks on their firmware (in which case MS will stop pushing the update until it's fixed).