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Pocket-Lint (June 27, Updated content & pics June 29)
From our quick play it looks like an impressive tablet from Google. The quad-core Tegra 3 processor with 12 core GPU is astounding on a device that costs £159, offering class-leading performance for Android. Just like the Kindle Fire in the US, this device could very well be the one that takes another bite out of Apple's rather large share of the tablet market pie.
Engadget (June 27) (Updated June 28)
That IPS panel looks great from all angles, showing good brightness and good contrast even in a brightly lit room. We'll need some more time to see how that compares to other competing 7-inchers, but it's certainly a screen that is aiming higher than its price point.
The Verge (updated June 29)
The speaker isn't bad: a Verge editor who will go unnamed had Carly Rae Jepsen's "Call Me Maybe" ready in a Google Music account, and it blasted out of the slit in back of the device fairly crisply and loudly considering that we were in a large conference hall, and bounced nicely off a table when we set it down. We'll have to see how it fares in a real-world environment. The placement of the speaker slit at the bottom of the back of the device does mean that you can block it and muffle the audio with your hand if you're holding it low, though.
ABC News (June 27)
Jelly Bean — the nickname for the new Android 4.1 operating system — sails along on the tablet and the new notification tray and Chrome browser are very nice additions. But Google made a big push at the announcement today about its Google Play store and how the device was built for reading magazines, watching TV or video, and playing games. I can attest that videos on the screen look great and magazines, like Men’s Fitness, are visually appealing. But Google simply doesn’t provide the same selection as Amazon; I came up empty handed when looking for US Weekly and People Magazine. (Don’t judge me on my magazine choices.)
SlashGear (June 27)
What you’ve got here is a fun machine. Google worked with ASUS and NVIDIA here to bring on a media beast like no other, offered at a price that, sold exclusively through the Google Play store online (for now), is almost undeniable. Even those who want a tablet just to fiddle with should and probably will be considering this device first in the near future – unless they want an iPad.
The Guardian (June 27)
The Nexus 7 is impressive, though: a valuable addition to the tablet market. Google's challenge now is to put some real welly behind getting the device into people's hands, securing more innovative, high-quality apps for its store, and ensuring that its music, films, TV shows, e-books and magazine offering is good around the world, not just in the US.
AnandTech (June 27) (Check the benchmarks)
Honestly I think ASUS and Google have really done an excellent job here with the Nexus 7. The combination of a quad core SoC, IPS panel, solid construction, and the latest version of Android all for such a killer price point pretty much make it hard to really find any faults. Sure, it'd be useful to have a full size USB host port, microSD slot (though no Nexus has shipped with one since Nexus S), 5 GHz WiFi (Nexus 7 is 2.4 GHz only), or cellular, but the tablet wouldn't be $199 anymore. I also really feel like the 7 inch diagonal form factor is an ideal one, and the Nexus 7 is quickly growing on me.
Gizmodo (June 27) (Thanks jonnyg1097); (New Review, July 2 - Thanks Eclair~)
Google just let attendees to today's hardware-filled I/O conference love up on the new Nexus 7 tablet. It's light, it's compact, and holy crap, it's faster than hell. In short, you won't believe this is a $200 tablet.
Mashable (June 30)
The Nexus 7 may not be the best tablet ever built, but its media savviness and low price make it a crowd-pleaser. For the vast majority of people, it’s more than good enough, and if you aren’t yet married to the Apple platform, you should be pre-ordering one now.
Ubergizmo (June 30)
A key component of a tablet is the display, and when manufacturers take the affordable route, usually they have a hard time to provide a decent display. The Nexus 7 features a 1280×800 IPS display covered with scratch-resistant Corning FIT Glass. I played the same video both on the iPad and the Nexus 7 and the image quality was similar. See the display comparison in the photo above (iPad latest edition on the right).
PCMag (June 30) (Thanks yerand)
Meanwhile, our large-screen Editor's Choice, the New Apple iPad, is a totally different beast. It's much bigger, heavier, and more powerful with a cellular option, and a much wider array of apps. And it costs more than twice as much as the Nexus 7. Think of the iPad as a better replacement for another home PC, while the Nexus 7 is for toting around wherever you go.
Technology Review (July 1)
The Nexus 7's display is slightly higher-resolution than the Fire's—1,280 by 800 pixels, or 221 pixels per inch. It's impressive, given the tablet's price. An episode of the TV show Smash that I downloaded from the Android app and digital content store Google Play looked excellent on the Nexus 7's screen, with rich colors, high levels of detail, and good viewing angles. Videos streamed via Wi-Fi from YouTube looked great, too.
Betanews (July 1)
My Galaxy Nexus outperforms Pad 300 in just about every way, and Nexus 7 more so -- in part benefiting from Tegra 3 quad-core processor and superior graphics. This tablet is a screamer, which is part of the allure over 10.1-inchers -- then there is price-for-performance consideration. You get all this buttery smoothness for $199 -- $200 less than Transformer Pad and Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 or $300 less than entry-level new iPad. Anyone dissatisfied with performance at this price needs a brain scan.
Business Insider (July 2)
Should You Buy It?
Yes, but there are a few caveats here.
First of all, if you can afford the extra $200 or $300 for an iPad 2 or third-generation iPad, you should buy that instead. The iPad is still the best tablet on the market.
TechCrunch (July 2)
The Nexus 7 lacks expandable memory and only comes in 8GB ($199) and 16GB ($249) trim, which explains why video content is streamed by default. There’s also no way to output any content to a larger screen, so you’re stuck with whatever content you download to the 7-inch display. Luckily the screen is vibrant and offers pretty decent viewing angles but it definitely reflects a lot of light. Compared to the Kindle Fire, the 1280 x 800 screen on the N7 is much, much better. The display is listed as having Corning Glass. Whether that means it’s sporting Gorilla Glass or GG2 is anyone’s guess.
Associated Press (July 2)
In the 1982 sci-fi movie "Blade Runner," there are hints that the hero, played by Harrison Ford, is an artificial human — an "android" or "replicant." His job is to go out and kill other, rogue androids.
If he's an android, he's of the latest model, Nexus 7. That's also the name Google Inc. has picked for the first tablet to bear the Google brand. Clearly, its mission is to go out and kill rogue tablets running Google's Android software.
Android Police (July 5)
Here at Android Police, we look at the benchmark as one of those occasionally useful tools for certain scenarios, and rarely as good overall indicators of performance. However, they're a widely requested feature in our reviews (who doesn't like seeing something you bought beat something somebody else bought at numbers?), so I'm going to provide you a few.
Android Central (July 6)
The Nexus name means one thing to some of us -- wide-open, balls-to-the-wall-hacking. The Nexus 7 is no different. Unlock the boot loader with a single command, then have your way with the system, flashing any image your heart desires. It's not yet widely available, but we already have a custom recovery and developers are champing at the bit for the day they can order one. Development and custom ROMS are going to explode on the Nexus 7. It's going to be a ton of fun.
Ars Technica (July 8) (Thanks revmra)
Movie watching: WiFi on, 100 percent brightness, 100 percent volume
From playing that modern cinema classic Transformers: Dark of the Moon, we found that the Nexus 7 got a solid nine hours and 15 minutes of battery life. This is 15 minutes longer than Google estimates even with the most taxing settings. We love a high and honest battery estimate, but we love a high and modest one more.
Thanks for taking the time to put all of these reviews in one place
Just a heads up, gizmodo did one also. http://gizmodo.com/5921827/nexus-7-tablet-hands-on-brave-new-world/gallery/1?tag=nexus-tablet
Long story short, they recommended the tablet.
You're welcome. Since I pre-ordered one I'm out looking anyway.
New reviews added.
Added new 5 hour old review from Betanews
Google Nexus 7 is a joy to use. I can't yet comment whether it meets the stated, 8-hour battery life. But based on preliminary usage, the claim looks pretty good.
The tablet is the Kindle Killer and is sure to woo people who want an exciting tablet that offers curated content without spending $300 or more -- $499 to $829 for new iPad.
Some recommendations. If you:
Want a rear-facing camera, choose another tablet. You won't get it from Nexus 7.
Plan to create content on a tablet, choose iPad. Nexus 7 is more for consumption.
Use more than, say, three or four different Google services, Nexus 7 is best choice.
Are looking to buy a 7-inch tablet, choose Google's. I wouldn't recommend any other over Nexus 7.
Want to always have the newest version of Android, without skins or other enhancements, choose Nexus 7.
Long for Apple's Siri on a tablet, choose Nexus 7 -- and right now Google's assistant is better than Apple's.
Nexus 7 isn't for everyone, but it is for anyone looking to spend $249 or less on a tablet or one that offers sound performance and 7-inch display.
Washington Post's is same as Verge's. Verge licenses its content to WP's tech section.
You should specify those that aren't full reviews, such as Anandtech.
Secondly, most of these aren't reviews per se, but more of "detailed hands-on," without usability or benchmark testing. IMO, calling these "reviews" discredits the term, and potentially misleads the buyer into an overly rosy outlook. That said, I recognize that many who read these cheery pieces are early adopters who've already pre-ordered, and are looking more for confirmation of their buy.
New Review from Business Insider
You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll fall to your knees in gratitude for confirming pre-ordering the Nexus 7 will set things right in the universe and stop the Mayan calender from ending.
Atmazzz said:
Quoting Joe Wilcox (betanews):
Plan to create content on a tablet, choose iPad. Nexus 7 is more for consumption.
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How many folks agree with the above comment?
Define content...
I certainly would not use the 7 as a replacement for my laptop.
I would not even code applications for the 7 ON the 7...
I would not use it for creating documents and spreadsheets.
So I guess I will use it for consumption...
Qualifier: I sure would not use the IPad for those things - for the same reasons.
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Plan to create content on a tablet, choose a laptop. Nexus 7 is more for consumption.
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hashibahoohaa said:
How many folks agree with the above comment?
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I fixed it.
hashibahoohaa said:
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What kind of content? What kind of content does someone create on the iPad?
As an owner of an N7 I/O device, you can create content on the N7 but you are limited due to storage space. I already ran into storage issues with 2 nandroids, FF3, ME:I & a bunch of apps.
If you were to get the 16gb then yes, create content to your hearts desire.
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I already ran into storage issues with 2 nandroids,
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How big is a nandroid on the N7?
Atmazzz said:
How big is a nandroid on the N7?
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Opps, hit thanks instead of Quote.
to answer your question all my nandroids ranged from 1-1.5gb & a bad nandroids ran to 3gbs for some reason but I just deleted it. I'm currently performing a nandroid now & will report back once its done.
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The nandroid I just did was 1.58gb
Updated Gizmodo Review
Gizmodo has released an official review of N7. :fingers-crossed: Can't post the link, sorry, but it should be on the front page.
WindyCityRockr said:
Gizmodo has released an official review of N7. :fingers-crossed: Can't post the link, sorry, but it should be on the front page.
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Gizmodo's Full Review
You can argue that the iPad is a better tablet, but is it really $300 better? As useful as tablets are, they're still kind of luxury items. $200 for a full-fledged, seriously-spec'd, fully-capable tablet is an absolute steal. Get it. Seriously.
Read the Gizmodo review - and make sure you follow the Matias Duarte interview link. If you like the 7 - you owe him a lot.
Has anyone done a teardown yet?
I'm secretly hoping there is a sdcard inside lol, or a way to attach one.
If not I'm going to order a mini Wifi drive.
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Has anyone done a teardown yet?
I'm secretly hoping there is a sdcard inside lol, or a way to attach one.
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Haven't seen one but I share your hope. :laugh:
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As pointed out, comparison charts below have some mistakes:
Good:
. MicroSD expansion.
. Higher density displays.
. Nk9 cheaper than KF HD (16GB: $269 vs 299; 32GB: $299 vs 369)
. No ads (unlike KF HD).
. AC charger included (unlike KF HD).
. Nk7 uses 1.3GHz OMAP 4470 (KF 7HD uses 4460).
Bad:
. No USB; proprietary charging/data port (HDMI adapter available).
. No camera, no NFC, probably no GPS.
. No dual-band wifi, MIMO antenna (unlike KF HD).
. HDMI adapter is $39.
. Single speaker (Nk9); one-sided speakers (Nk7 in landscape).
. Most likely locked.
. Smaller B&N ecosystem, if that matters to XDA peeps.
Misc:
. Bluetooth is apparently available.
. Nk7 has 4050mAh batt; Nk9 has 6000mAh batt.
. Nk7 16GB pricing is same as KF 7HD, if accounting for KF's $10 charger + $15 ad opt-out
. Nk7's two-tone bezel makes it look like a kiddie tablet.
. I like Nk9's 1.5 aspect, which is more suitable for reading than the typical 1.6.
IMO, Nexus7 still wins the 7" category for overall functionality.
For mainstream users, KFHD 8.9 probably wins the 9" category with Amazon's larger ecosystem. For XDA users, it'll depend on which gets unlocked/ROM'ed first. Nook's higher-res display and the SD expansion are positives.
The 9" Nook HD+ clearly has the best bang/buck of the line-up, and indeed for the entire "value" bracket. At $269 for the 16GB, it's only $40 more than the Nook HD, and $20 more than the Nexus 7 16GB. The 3:2 aspect makes it a great full-size reader for PDFs and pretty much anything else. Hopefully the Nook Tab folks can crack this beauty to run CM.
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1280 x 800, not 1800. Also, the Nook's had MicroSD's, and all but the Nexus have HDMI out (built-in or via an adapter). The Nook's also have MicroSD slots.
The 8.9 kindle hd does not start at $499, that is for the Lte one.
The Wi-Fi only starts at $299 for 32, $369 for 64. That is the fair comparison with the nook.
I wouldn't get a nook for the proprietary plug alone. Why not stick to the micro usb?
the Kindle is locked with boot verification. very hard to crack. The Nook well. It's a nook what more to say there. the Nexus 7 is open unlock able with many roms available. no comparison
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There are different contexts of "best device." There's the personal "best," ie what you or I like. Since all the listed devices have compromises, then it depends on the person's wants, and the ecosystem s/he is vested in. Hardware-wise, the Nooks would seem to be the best readers, KFs best at video playback, and Nexus7 best at travelling/location-based uses.
Then there's the XDA perspective of "best," ie functionality as a general-purpose device. In this context, the Nexus7 is obviously the best, at least until Nook or KF gets unlocked. Apparently, Hashcode of KF fame is leading the charge for KFHD unlock, and the crew that unlocked Nook Tablet will probably apply their experience to Nook HD. We'll see how it goes.
One complication is that all these devices have amazing short shelf lives. After only two months from its July release, Nexus7's appeal has gone from an amazing deal to only one of several good choices (we're still waiting on iPad Mini). If it takes more than a couple of months to unlock a device, then its "XDA" appeal will be minimal, once time has passed it by. To wit: Nook Tablet, which was unlocked too late to get much XDA love.
The last definition of "best" is from mainstream users, which is the only one vendors care about. Given the prevailing narrative that "ecosystem matters," then Amazon KFs should have the catbird seat, out of the three. The iPad line will still be top dog for 2012, of course.
Going by this narrative, then B&N has no shot regardless of the Nooks' quality/price, and its best chance is to partner up to bulk up its ecosystem. The partner is likely with MS, given its $300 mil check to B&N. The investment took place in late April, so was too late to affect this hardware cycle, but I fully expect WinRT-based Nooks for the next cycle. These current Nook devices should be the last on Android.
Back to the Nexus/KF/Nook compare, that both Nook and KF have 9" models starkly highlights the glaring need for a 9" or 10" full-Android tablet of comparable quality and price. At this point, there's none. I don't expect to see one for the remainder of this year.
>I wouldn't get a nook for the proprietary plug alone. Why not stick to the micro usb?
Because it's a bad idea.
Having a single micro-USB port is a carryover from smartphones, since it allows charging from PCs. Tablets have a higher current requirement, so you will need to carry a charger regardless.
It's again a bad idea to have only one port for both data and charging. What happens if you want to do both?
Lastly, it's a bad idea because the micro-USB connector is flimsy, and isn't robust enough to last the length of the device's life. Phones' size constraint dictates its use, but tablets are larger devices, and will need better connectivity going forward.
The Nook HD's use of proprietary port isn't good, but it isn't necessarily bad. If the charging cable is separate from the charger, then conceivably one can use a "regular" 10W USB charger for it. The downside is that it's proprietary, but the upside is that it would be more robust than the flimsy micro-USB connector.
e.mote said:
>I wouldn't get a nook for the proprietary plug alone. Why not stick to the micro usb?
Because it's a bad idea.
Having a single micro-USB port is a carryover from smartphones, since it allows charging from PCs. Tablets have a higher current requirement, so you will need to carry a charger regardless.
It's again a bad idea to have only one port for both data and charging. What happens if you want to do both?
Lastly, it's a bad idea because the micro-USB connector is flimsy, and isn't robust enough to last the length of the device's life. Phones' size constraint dictates its use, but tablets are larger devices, and will need better connectivity going forward.
The Nook HD's use of proprietary port isn't good, but it isn't necessarily bad. If the charging cable is separate from the charger, then conceivably one can use a "regular" 10W USB charger for it. The downside is that it's proprietary, but the upside is that it would be more robust than the flimsy micro-USB connector.
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It's not a bad idea.
USB can charge a tablet (it will take longer but it WILL charge). Or at least it will slow the discharge if you are doing some really battery expansive operations while transferring files, which is highly unlikely and this will take short enough to allow you to disconnect once the files are transfered and connect to a proper charger. The only scenario that I can think of is while developing apps where you need the device connected to the PC for a long time.
Proprietary connector MAY be more robust than micro USB. Apple's ridiculous 40 pin connector for example is a joke compared to micro USB. For 4 years I had changed my wife's cable three times and never had to change any of my micro USB cable. I also bought a new charger for my Acer A500 because once yours breaks you can't just use any of the standard USB chargers.
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For me GPS is essential, as is fast updates. :L
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I made the mistake of getting a Nook tablet, was hoping for a good dev community like the Nook colour!
I'm stuck with a tablet on an alpha version of 4.0 that will probably never make beta...and since I'm in the UK, no bugger will buy it since they never heard of it. A big mistake I won't be making again.
Hoping to get a Nexus when the wife forgets I had a tablet previously!
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dannysmith43 said:
I made the mistake of getting a Nook tablet, was hoping for a good dev community like the Nook colour!
I'm stuck with a tablet on an alpha version of 4.0 that will probably never make beta...and since I'm in the UK, no bugger will buy it since they never heard of it. A big mistake I won't be making again.
Hoping to get a Nexus when the wife forgets I had a tablet previously!
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Haha, sorry to hear that mate. Its a truly sad story. I'm sure your wife will understand. Also, be prepared. Once you get a Nexus device you'll refuse to use anything but a nexus device. That's how I ended up with my galaxy nexus. I now have a Galaxy Tab 2 7", Sony Tablet S, Galaxy S2 and Desire HD sitting there collecting dust. Poor sods. Also if anyone interested the tablets are for sale.
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Almost unfair to put the nexus in the same category as the others... glad I didn't even consider the others
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Haha, sorry to hear that mate. Its a truly sad story. I'm sure your wife will understand. Also, be prepared. Once you get a Nexus device you'll refuse to use anything but a nexus device. That's how I ended up with my galaxy nexus. I now have a Galaxy Tab 2 7", Sony Tablet S, Galaxy S2 and Desire HD sitting there collecting dust. Poor sods. Also if anyone interested the tablets are for sale.
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I really fancy a pure google tablet, stock Android with no UI....I love my One X but I've had enough of Sense.
I'm tempted to wait for a tablet that has screen like the One X, I haven't seen android device with one finer!
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dannysmith43 said:
I really fancy a pure google tablet, stock Android with no UI....I love my One X but I've had enough of Sense.
I'm tempted to wait for a tablet that has screen like the One X, I haven't seen android device with one finer!
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Stock android is the thing that seals the deal with me, however as for screens, the best screens I've seen are Sony's. My Sony Tablet S screen blows the N7s out the water, but then the Sony doesn't have pure android. Maybe you should get an Xperia S, especially now its an ASOP device, or will be. granted I don't actually know how good the screen is on the xperia s, but I heard it is good.
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I think stock is really ugly. Iam not the creative type that can make it pretty. Iwant it to come nice. I like sense, have a one s right now, but my next phone will probably be Windows.
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I think stock is really ugly. Iam not the creative type that can make it pretty. Iwant it to come nice. I like sense, have a one s right now, but my next phone will probably be Windows.
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You think stock is ugly and want windows, damnnn. Windows is bland, you can't even change your background, at least we can give that to iOS.
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If recent rumors hold true, there will be no competition to Google nexus 7. Reportedly Google and Asus working on 2 new versions of Nexus 7. A thinner one which would retail for $199 and another version for $99. Anticipated release date before the end of this year. By Christmas time in anticipation of rumored Ipad mini. A Nexus 7 at $99 will kill any competition. It will be an impulse buy for most people.
GOOGLE and Asus looking to shake things up again. CNET and other major sites reporting this rumor.
demandarin said:
If recent rumors hold true, there will be no competition to Google nexus 7. Reportedly Google and Asus working on 2 new versions of Nexus 7. A thinner one which would retail for $199 and another version for $99. Anticipated release date before the end of this year. By Christmas time in anticipation of rumored Ipad mini. A Nexus 7 at $99 will kill any competition. It will be an impulse buy for most people.
GOOGLE and Asus looking to shake things up again. CNET and other major sites reporting this rumor.
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Reportedly? You mean rumor that Asus shot down? I swear, people read rumors on tech sites and preach it as gospel.
Various notes:
. The Nook HDs were announced at 1AM ET, with no prior notice whatsoever. It was almost as if B&N were embarrassed to announce them. Unsure why, as new Nooks are very comparable to KFHDs. Perhaps it's the gaffe of lacking HDMI-out that KFHDs have, given the new emphasis on videos. Anyway, very strange, and doesn't bode well for Nook HDs' future support. This reinforces my view that this Nook HD gen is a placeholder iteration.
. Styling of the Nook HD+ is completely different from the HD's. The first borrowed from Nook Tablet's old look, while the second went with newer styling cues from the e-ink Nooks. The lack of styling harmony suggests development was partially ad hoc, and the 7" model was either added or revised after the 9" was done. Again, another sign that these may have a short future.
. KFHD has been out for about two weeks, and KFHD forum traffic here on XDA has been minimal, particularly in the dev forum. This suggests that XDA'ers are content with Nexus 7, although the coming 9" Nook/KF models may get a warmer reception (Nook HD+ available on Nov 1, KFHD 9 on Nov 20).
. The elephant in the room is the expected iPad Mini. Since iPod Touch is now priced at $300, I expect miniPad will be $350. And since both Nook and KF can shoehorn 1080p res into a 9" form, I expect miniPad will have a higher res than the reported 1024x768.
. Both KF/Nook 9" models will come after the reported iPad Mini launch in Oct, as well as the Win 8/RT tablets' launches on Oct 26. There'll be lots of toys vying for people's attention. WinRT tabs probably won't hit the $300-and-under bracket, but if Ballmer does the limbo and Surface RT is priced at $300 or the rumored $200, it will add considerable turbulence to the low-end.
. Back to Nexus 7. I used Goog Dashboard (http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html) to gauge JB adoption rate, as a proxy for N7's adoption rate. The latest data (for 1.5 months of N7 sales) doesn't show a noticeable uptick in JB adoption. This suggests that while N7 sales may be good, it isn't awesome, and won't be enough by itself to carry the "open Android" banner forward. N7 sales won't get any better, with impending launches of the many competing tablets. Google needs a 9" or 10" Nexus to compete.
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Hoping to get a Nexus when the wife forgets I had a tablet previously!
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Let me say as a wife, that this is likely not to happen!
Doodling with finding display sizes of the various tablets, using my long-rusted math:
let C = diagonal, AR = aspect ratio
Pythagorean: C^2 = A^2 + B^2 = A^2 + AR^2 * A^2 = (AR^2 + 1) * A^2
A = ( C^2 / (AR^2 + 1) )^0.5
B = (( C^2 / (AR^2 + 1) )^0.5 ) * AR
Area = C^2 / (AR^2 + 1) * AR
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Display areas:
Nexus 7 / KFHD 7 / Nook HD (C=7, AR=16/10): 22.0 sq in
KFHD 9 (C=8.9, AR=16/10): 35.6 sq in
Nook HD+ (C=9, AR=3/2): 37.4 sq in
iPad (C=9.7, AR=4/3): 45.2 sq in
iPad Mini (C=7.85, AR=4/3): 29.6 sq in
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Display widths (portrait):
diag=7, AR=17/10: 3.54" - Nook Color, KF, Galaxy Tab 2 7"
diag=7, AR=16/10: 3.71" - Nexus 7, KFHD 7, Nook HD
diag=8, AR=16/10: 4.24" - Galaxy Note 8
diag=7.85, AR=4/3: 4.71" - iPad Mini
diag=8.9, AR=16/10: 4.72" - KFHD 8.9
diag=8, AR=4/3: 4.80" - (most Android 8" tabs)
diag=9, AR=3/2: 4.99" - Nook HD+
diag=10.6, AR=16/9: 5.20" - Surface RT/Pro
diag=10, AR=16/10: 5.30" - Nexus 10, (most Android 10" tabs)
diag=11.6, AR=16/9: 5.69" - (most 11.6" Win8 tabs)
diag=9.7, AR=4/3: 5.82" - iPad, (most Android 9.7" tabs)
I am selling my T-mobile Galaxy Tab (the original) to a coworker.
The original plan was to buy a Nexus 7, but after reading about it I learned that it:
1. Doesn't have a rear camera
2. Doesn't have TV-out
3. Doesn't hardware decode DivX/mkv
So now I am torn between the Galaxy Tab 2 7" and the Nexus 7.
My problems with the Galaxy Tab 2 7" are:
1. It doesn't have as nice a resolution/screen
2. Proprietary connector
The TV out is what really bugs me....but I am not sure if Tab to Tab 2 is a big enough jump
Anyone have any advice?
nook color :laugh:
After spending far too much on far too man devices;
Tab7
Nexus7
Nexus1
Transformer
Note II
Nook Color
Nook Simple
HPTouchpad
The most useful I've found is STILL the original Tab7 once CM10 put on it (well Humberos's rom to make it TabletUI).
Ok, the newer games aren't available, but for day to day actual using it, the apps/flexibility/sd-card storage/camera, it's been hard to beat.
Perhaps the Nexus7 for tablet/gaming, and a reasonable phone that'll let you bluetooth tether? One with a decent camera in?
If tv out and a rear camera are crucial to you, then get the Tab.
But performance wise the N7 is leaps ahead, the Tegra processor is gritty like a Corvette
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The New Nexus 7 or Nexus 10
I too was torn between getting the nexus 7 or galaxy tab 2 I ended up going with the nexus and have no regrets.this thing is awesome. Screen is amazing, the ability to use it as a phone,I text and call my using my nexus all the time.plus with usb otg, storage is not an issue. My g2x has the ability to hdmi out to the tv so watching content via android device to tv is not an issue for me. And it's freaking fast!!
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The Nexus 7 might lack a couple of things but do remember that it comes at a great price and it's hardware is pretty awesome! I'd take a Nexus 7 anyday! Direct updates from Google and runs any game and app you want it to? Phew! Yes please xD
After 3 days I gave my brand new Nexus 7 to the girlfriend and went back to my SGT7.
Thanks to XDA and Stimpz0r, I just don't need new hardware.
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I was facing a similar dilemma when deciding on a 7" replacement for my trusty SGT7. To cut the long story short, my eventual decision was the iPad mini. Before you guys commence the flaming, allow me to list down my considerations.
1) Rear Camera
I work in an environment that prohibits camera phones. As such, my primary device (phone) is not equipped with any cameras and it is therefore important for me that my secondary device (tablet) comes with a decent camera, since it would be my only camera on the go. Of the current crop of 7 inchers, the Nexus 7, Nooks and Kindles all fail to hit this mark. The Galaxy Tab 2 has a reasonably decent rear camera so that stayed in contention. As for the iPad mini, its rear camera is probably the best of the lot and that factored heavily in my consideration.
2) Official Software Updates
Frankly, I'm still rather miffed with Samsung's poor software updates for the SGT7. Cutting official major software updates for a one year old device does not inspire much confidence in their subsequent products. Apple, on the other hand, continue to offer major software updates for their products in the 2nd and even 3rd year of their lifecycle (case in point: the iPad 2 and iPhone 3GS). The Nexus 7 would have been my go to device on the Android platform, since I'm confident that Google will continue to support the device for years to come, but alas, it doesn't meet my requirement for rear camera.
3) Proprietary Connectors
Both Samsung and Apple have their own proprietary connectors. However, only Samsung's connector is a constant source of frustration for me. I cannot fathom why the SGT7 does not charge with generic usb chargers, without a 3rd party adapter. I was on an overseas trip recently and it skipped my mind to bring along the adapter. As a result, I had no means to charge my SGT7 throughout the entire trip using the usb charger in the rented vehicle. The same usb charger could charge an iPad with no problems. Moreover, there are plenty of 3rd party products that support Apple's connector (e.g. radio docks, external power banks, etc) but I've not seen a single one that supports Samsung's.
Of course, the iPad mini's dated guts and last gen screen leaves it trailing the competition, but the smooth user experience and arsenal of tablet optimized apps still outweighs the negatives for me. Best of all, I could still hold on to the SGT7 for some Android love as long as it doesn't die on me.
Similar position here. Decided to go with the N7. I can live without the rear camera, and I will also get much better hardware overall compared with the Tab2. Seriously, I used the Tab in store and it lags so much. Neuxs 7 just flies.
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I ended up buying a 32GB Nexus 7. MX Player Pro is a decent substitute for all of the native playback options that the Galaxy Tab comes with.... but it is REALLY nice not having to lug around and keep track of my one data cable.
Also, i pushed 4.2 on there via adb sideload yesterday.
yup, yup.
i agree, the SGT7 its a all in one device, movies, tv out, apps + gaming in HD, calling, texting, social networking, skyping for free + video chatting, google internet, and the icing on the cake for me is once i got rid of tmobiles security page my device runs like a regulare phone, so all i pay is $30 a month (us) for unlimited 4g internet, unlimited texting, and 100mnts talk. So i just opened a skype account and pay $18 every 3 months for unlimited talk. So the galaxy tab 7 running cm10 is super fast for me on tmobiles 4g network. Its a no brainer.. lol.. hope this helps... my regards to all, especially all the great DEVS out there keeping our P1000 still ahead of the game ..!!!!!
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After 3 days I gave my brand new Nexus 7 to the girlfriend and went back to my SGT7.
Thanks to XDA and Stimpz0r, I just don't need new hardware.
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I would certainly go ahead and pick Nexus 7 because of the hardware and the price its the next gen with a low price tag. Yes I admit. The back camera might be an essential to some but not to all. And the galaxy tab 2 camera is not that "outstanding" either. You could save up and buy a dslr or something.
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I would certainly go ahead and pick Nexus 7 because of the hardware and the price its the next gen with a low price tag. Yes I admit. The back camera might be an essential to some but not to all. And the galaxy tab 2 camera is not that "outstanding" either. You could save up and buy a dslr or something.
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If I had to choose, I would pick the N7 (that's what I already did). But my sons P100 has CM10 which makes it more directly comparable to the N7 and outside of 3D gaming, there isn't much of a difference speed wise.
Considering the N7 came out a while ago... I would assume they would be releasing another 7" tablet within a few months. The 7" tablet has been their most successful and they have the upper hand on Apple for a while. If Google can keep the lead and stay ahead of the ipad Mini, it'll constantly be a good success.
That said, if you can make due with the GTab a few more months, you'll likely see a new Google 7" tab with the faster S4 snapdragon and a higher resolution screen.
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Galaxy tab 7.7 all the way. P6800 has 3g GPS and SD card slot. Dual core 1.4GHz. Wonderful amoled 1280x800 screen.
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Galaxy Tab 2 7" and 10.1" can be bought for under £150 now. Its a steal. However, no 3G version though, if you could love without that.
Worth a sacrifice though, looking at the amazing price.
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Just saw this pop up on Engadget:
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/slate-7/landing.html?jumpid=ex_r10104_go_slate
Decent specs, camera, microSD slot and the possibility of HDMI out. Probably too late to the game, but I might have opted for it over the Nexus 7 had it been available last August. While I like the fast Android updates, I feel like Nexus owners are sometimes used as Guinea pigs to beta test the newest bug-filled features.
Eh low resolution screen is kinda a deal breaker, anything lower than 720p is a pain to use.
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Just saw this pop up on Engadget:
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/slate-7/landing.html?jumpid=ex_r10104_go_slate
Decent specs, camera, microSD slot and the possibility of HDMI out. Probably too late to the game, but I might have opted for it over the Nexus 7 had it been available last August. While I like the fast Android updates, I feel like Nexus owners are sometimes used as Guinea pigs to beta test the newest bug-filled features.
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That link doesn't have the most detailed info. I found; http://www.gsmarena.com/hp_slate_7-5317.php
Honestly disappointing screen kills it right there. The cam is better, but really I don't think 3.5mp means anything compared to a 1.2 both were good10 years ago.
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Just saw this pop up on Engadget:
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/slate-7/landing.html?jumpid=ex_r10104_go_slate
Decent specs, camera, microSD slot and the possibility of HDMI out. Probably too late to the game, but I might have opted for it over the Nexus 7 had it been available last August. While I like the fast Android updates, I feel like Nexus owners are sometimes used as Guinea pigs to beta test the newest bug-filled features.
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I think the slate looks good and is more of an alternative or maybe a compromise between some of the very cheap tablets and the nexus 7.
For me the smaller battery would be the killer. HP quote 2AH where as the N7 has a 4.3AH battery with 3 hours more use available. A four hour flight to Lanzarote would be marginal with the Slate by the time you take time at the airport into account, it will be used to keep my 2 year old entertained.
The expandable storage isn't an issue for me as I have the 32GB version. Not interested in holding a tablet up to take picture, I have a phone and a camera for that. HDMI; had that on my Nokia N8 and used it once to try it, I have used dlna to stream to the telly though.
To me it looks like someone at HP has bought a N7, looks at the pros (cheap, light,size) and cons (fixed storage, no back camera) and used it as a starting point and tried to beat it. Good luck to them but I think it will suit a slightly different market to the N7.
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Just saw this pop up on Engadget:
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/slate-7/landing.html?jumpid=ex_r10104_go_slate
Decent specs, camera, microSD slot and the possibility of HDMI out. Probably too late to the game, but I might have opted for it over the Nexus 7 had it been available last August. While I like the fast Android updates, I feel like Nexus owners are sometimes used as Guinea pigs to beta test the newest bug-filled features.
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It looks good... but I think you're probably right about it being too late to the game. If HP can market/advertise this as aggressively as Google has with the N7, then it might stand a chance. Google are repostioning themselves as 'content providers' - music, books, magazines - and the 'cheap-as-chips' N7 is a loss leading gateway, somewhat similar to Amazons Kindle.
Hewlett Packard are a tech company first and foremost, and don't have a similar repository of IP content that they can push to make this 'slate' a compelling purchase. In this digital age, people buy their tech based on what they can watch, read or listen to.
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Still, having said all that... it's an intriguing device... I like the microSD card slot (something sorely lacking on the N7).
If it has an easily unlockable bootloader (I don't know what HP's track record is on that), then I might consider getting one.
Rgrds,
Ged.
No GPS either.
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I had it with HP a long time ago. Laptops dropping dead all over the place for no apparent or discoverable reason. And then tech support being worse that shoving a cactus in my rear end. So no. HP is just. No.
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Screen aucks no GPS thick and ugly silver plus HP logo on there automatically kills it. The HP brand is no longer a symbol of cutting edge got to have technology. It is a symbol of a relic technology company that is holding on to its last strong hold which is server technology and enterprise.
I think it's a good timing. with N7 2.0 coming soon, ppl will consider this one as a cheap alternative to the N7 2.0 instead of the old N7.
rather be a Guinea pig and get more regular updates than to be stuck with something that will 99% of the time will never see the latest is update. plus don't have to worry about all the bloat that other companies seem to love to fill phones/tablets up with. Google has also shown even with older nexus devices they have been kept updated to atleast ICS where as other devices you could forget about it. I am sure when keylime pie comes out the nexus 7/10 will see it. how many tablets the same age or newer will see that?
like the genie off Aladdin said often imitated but never duplicated.
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I don't feel the HP Slate is anywhere near a competitor for the N7.
HP Slate 7 Android Tablet Review
Uhhh.. The Slate 7 is a stinker.
This is a quick unboxing and review of HP's latest attempt at an Android tablet.
I can't say a whole lot of good things about this tablet. I was sorely disappointed in the overall build quality. The screen was almost rubbery to the touch and it appeared to be warped and separated on the edges. The screen was odd and had almost a glazed look to it. The back camera is decent, but the front camera is not even adequate for video conferencing, let alone the occasional "selfie". The specs are sub par for the price, in my opinion. I wouldn't spend more than $99 US for a tablet like this. I have seen off brand, generic tablets that are build better. I suppose the one saving grace is the stock Jelly Bean 4.1.1. For what you would spend on this tablet ($170 US), you should jump on a Nexus 7 or a Kindle Fire HD.
This thing is starting to make the HP Touchpad look like a great success.
These are my opinions, of course.
not a bad tablet but hp customer support is pretty crap. That and the fact that there laptops are gone really bad lately.
I think if they priced it at $99 you'd have a real alternative for people don't wanna spend $200 for a quality tab. But its only $30 less than the nexus 7, with considerably weaker specs. Who wouldn't just cough up the extra cash?
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It beats the nexus 7 in all benshmarks exept gl
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It's better to look at the Fonepad.
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I was considering getting one of these, but then all the specs fell below what the Nexus 7 had in store for me so I went with the Nexus.
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Doesn't even compete just look at the specs.
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It beats the nexus 7 in all benshmarks exept gl
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Look at the wild benchmark differences on exact same devices!! Depends on a lot what you score. So benchmarks are basically meaningless. Anyone can sacrifice battery and smoothness to put up a good score!
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No GPS either.
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Got one today. It appears it does have a GPS. It pinned me right down to my house in Google Maps.
I will say this, it doesn't seem laggy at alll. The problem is that some apps (Instagram, SiriusXM, Foursquare, UPS Mobile, Jetblue, and others) are marked incompatible in the Play Store. Apps like Twitter, Facebook, Angry Birds Friends, etc. work fine.
I'm not sure what the delimiting factor is, but it may have something to do with the resolution and how the apps were built.
Hey guys, I've created a video review of the Nexus 4 after I've used the phone for awhile. I really found it quite impressive given its age; therefore I decided to start a video series on the Nexus 4 too - below is the first video where I'm talking about using the device as a daily driver today, 5 years after its launch. I've also compared it with the rival S3. Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/_-pZJLMjoxw
More Nexus 4 videos will come, some reviews of the best custom ROMs (Nougat and Oreo) and maybe some tips and tricks as well.
I had a Nexus 5 before, it broke and I brought a second hand Nexus 4... Almost a year ago.
It still looks nicer than the majority of new releases and performance-wise is very much usable.
The only thing that really shows it's age is the camera (both of them). It lags SO much and is not really stable.
I refurbished my old Nexus 4 and consider to use it as daily device. But, it's a 5 years old device and I wonder if it will perform enough under today's conditions, or not.
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I refurbished my old Nexus 4 and consider to use it as daily device. But, it's a 5 years old device and I wonder if it will perform enough under today's conditions, or not.
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Definitely it will! Try it out.
Nitin
nitin.chobhe said:
Definitely it will! Try it out.
Nitin
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I will.
Thank you
The Nexus 4 really has stood the test of time. It even has Oreo ROMs... Not to mention a slew of alternative OSes (UBPorts, Sailfish, Firefox OS, LuneOS...). Even with some of its shortcomings (rear-facing speaker, meh battery life and cameras, no sd card support) it's my favorite Android device ever made and I love the back design and wireless charging.
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The Nexus 4 really has stood the test of time. It even has Oreo ROMs... Not to mention a slew of alternative OSes (UBPorts, Sailfish, Firefox OS, LuneOS...). Even with some of its shortcomings (rear-facing speaker, meh battery life and cameras, no sd card support) it's my favorite Android device ever made and I love the back design and wireless charging.
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All the above is why I am considering it as a replacement for my Galaxy Nexus (my first smartphone, which is now a backup).
The back design is, if anything, typical Nexus (and LG, for that matter) - the back design is shared with both the Galaxy Nexus and the later non-Nexus LG K20.
Wireless charging - another feature shared with the GNex (one of the oldest - if not THE oldest - smartphones that supports wireless charging). Don't have a wireless charger? It can also use Samsung wired chargers (not exactly commonplace that a non-Samsung smartphone can use Samsung chargers) - something else shared with the LG K20 (and the Nexus 5, also from LG).
Like the Galaxy Nexus, it supports Android 4.x; however, unlike it, it WOULD actually get Lollipop stock (useful for those of you on stock-only carriers, such as VZW). In another difference from the GNex, it uses a Qualcomm quad-core SoC (which means that it supports Oreo, that the GNex currently doesn't do). Not looking to bite the cookie? It still supports all the community ROMs that the GNex does (and some that it doesn't); TWRP also is supported officially. It's not expensive - Amazon has it for barely more than the bottom-end Nexus 2 (also aimed at the backup phone market) or the GNex itself. It can also use microSIMs from the GNex; if you need SDcard support, though, you would prefer the Nexus 5 - the 4 does not support microSD.