[Q] Coming from galaxy s 4g - Galaxy S III Mini Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hello fellow xda-ers I am seriously considering getting this phone...
How many of you would recommend this phone?
Or should I look at other options.
best regards,
DDB

If you get it on a contract and the price seems OK, then it's a good piece of hardware... I, at least, would recommend it!
Else, if you want to pay full price there are many better options in this price range, like the Samsung Galaxy S2, Acer CloudMobile S500 and even the Samsung Galaxy S Advance just to name a few (which should be cheaper since it's an older model, and is pretty much the same phone).
Please note that I got it for 100€ on contract, and if I would buy it from a store it would cost around 330€, which is a bit too much for what it provides.

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[Q] Is P1000 still worth buying TODAY?

I'm looking for a Tab, but Transformer seems to big for me. P1000 is the perfect size, but it is pretty old device. Is it still worth buying today?
Thanks.
If you think 7" tablet is a perfect size for you then why not, the Galaxy tab is only 1 year old and it still stands against any other alternatives out in the market today.
I would hardly say just because the tablet is "pretty old" that it isn't a good purchase. It's well supported by developers and the fact that people are still purchasing it... Its a solid working and built piece of kit.
You won't be disappointed.
I would say that they are definitely still worth it. The price point alone is a great reason. You can get a Galaxy tablet for less than half the price of many of the newest tabs.
It's already been shown that these models are capable of running the new firmwares. There are ports of Honeycomb out there already, and though there are still some issues to be ironed out, they work pretty well. Since installing a 2.3.4 rom on my vzw tab, I've been very impressed with how responsive and cleanly it runs.
Having handled some of the newer and larger tablets, I've found that the smaller size is really more ideal to me personally. I can fit my Galaxy tablet in my pocket. My folks for example both have iPads, and they are just much larger and bulkier devices. You can't drop one in your pocket real quick while you are out on the run.
Anyway, hope that helps!
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I would say that they are definitely still worth it. The price point alone is a great reason. You can get a Galaxy tablet for less than half the price of many of the newest tabs.
It's already been shown that these models are capable of running the new firmwares. There are ports of Honeycomb out there already, and though there are still some issues to be ironed out, they work pretty well. Since installing a 2.3.4 rom on my vzw tab, I've been very impressed with how responsive and cleanly it runs.
Having handled some of the newer and larger tablets, I've found that the smaller size is really more ideal to me personally. I can fit my Galaxy tablet in my pocket. My folks for example both have iPads, and they are just much larger and bulkier devices. You can't drop one in your pocket real quick while you are out on the run.
Anyway, hope that helps!
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I live in eastern europe and here the tab's price is almost the same as Transformer's. And that one has Tegra 2 and a nice 10.1' IPS display. They are both here 540 USD / 380 EUR. I tried Iconia A500 Tab, but I was quite disappointed - it was very heavy, typing text while trying to hold with one hand was challenging. The OS and that big display sure looks great, but for now I can't see my self taking this out in the street while walking, or chatting (IM) while sitting in the bus on my way college. How much is the P1000 in the US? Or UK?
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I live in eastern europe and here the tab's price is almost the same as Transformer's. And that one has Tegra 2 and a nice 10.1' IPS display. They are both here 540 USD / 380 EUR. I tried Iconia A500 Tab, but I was quite disappointed - it was very heavy, typing text while trying to hold with one hand was challenging. The OS and that big display sure looks great, but for now I can't see my self taking this out in the street while walking, or chatting (IM) while sitting in the bus on my way college. How much is the P1000 in the US? Or UK?
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In the UK, the P1000 (if you can find any in stock) still goes for around £399 and the P1010 is currently in bestbuy/currys for £299.
But search on ebay or other sites, you can find one for a lot cheaper. I got mine brand new from ebay for £250 (P1000).
Of course, these will probably fall in price when newer alternatives comes out but for now, they are holding its value as they are still popular and people are buying them.
I just bought one today. So far I am happy with it.
I have seen the US models selling new for between $150-200 when you buy from a mobile provider. For example, I know Verizon was selling them earlier this year for $200 when you agreed to a two year service agreement. I've also seen the WiFi only tablets for $350. Personally, I was willing to sign a contract, because having the 3g data access was something I desired.
But, I would do as one of the other posters suggested, and check ebay. As I understand it, you can buy a US model and put a European firmware on it. I would double check that though, as I don't want to tell you something I am not entirely sure of.
Got mine a month ago in aussie land, on a 12 month contract. 0 dollars for the tab and $39 a month for the plan with 8g of data and I get 3 months of the plan for free. Was really happy with that price.
Got mine in Italy for 300 Eur. Best purchase of the year: perfect balance between pocketability and readability, and with Gingerbread it is lag free and quick.
Rumours are that Samsung is going to present a revamped 7" tablet w/ upgraded cpu and amoled screen. I won't upgrade unless it has usb host or otg, which is the feature I miss much on my Tab.
Ernesto de Bernardis
N900 - Galaxy Tab 7"
Nothing wrong with the P1000. Good support is important. Even if it's a year old it still beats an ipad. Good resolution and speed, and very complete. Very sturdy, durable Gorilla glass.
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If 7" tablet is your preference, get a HTC Flyer or Huawei Ideos Slim?
Unless u want the voice call/sms capabilities
debernardis said:
Got mine in Italy for 300 Eur. Best purchase of the year: perfect balance between pocketability and readability, and with Gingerbread it is lag free and quick.
Rumours are that Samsung is going to present a revamped 7" tablet w/ upgraded cpu and amoled screen. I won't upgrade unless it has usb host or otg, which is the feature I miss much on my Tab.
Ernesto de Bernardis
N900 - Galaxy Tab 7"
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Any Samsung official reading this would love to put usb otg and make you upgrade
While for me, I ll try not to upgrade, but the amoled screen might tempt me.
esthreel said:
I'm looking for a Tab, but Transformer seems to big for me. P1000 is the perfect size, but it is pretty old device. Is it still worth buying today?
Thanks.
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I bought mine last month, and I love it. My pocket is not that big to fit in the tab, so I bought a small bag to bring around. I was confused whether buying Galaxy S (for super amoled and small factor) or Galaxy Tab (for bigger screen to read ebooks). Well, its worth buying
I bought one a couple of weeks ago, and am very happy so far. Yes, it's a year old - but the screen is very good (much better than alternative 7" tablets'), it's relatively cheap & there's lots of development going on with it.
The next 7" from Samsung is set to have an AMOLED screen & will probably be dual-core, which will be awesome, but I wanted something now & wasn't prepared to 1) wait & 2) pay much more than I did...
Make sure you root & stick Overcome ROM on it! It becomes a different animal once you do!
Got an Asus Transformer for the home/travel, but day to day chucking in pocket (albeit large pockets), still love the Tab. Got it for 200bucks so can't complain.
If I had to pay full price? I think I'd skip, for that price a newer 7" tablet would still be preferred.
Main thing it comes down to though is where are you, and do you need voice? if so, Tab might still be perfect for you.
It's a good question to ask here, as the answer isn't obvious. Without a tablet, I would, if I had the cash, get the Tab again. It's portability still makes it a winner for me.
Waiting for the next model is ok, but... these things always seem to take 6months longer than initially planned it appears.
Thee galaxy pad still a good tab/phone. its fast, not to big and have a lot of apps/games that works so...
Galaxy tab worth to buy.why?
The best tablet for 7 inch tablet.
Equiped with microsd,simcard for mms,sms,3g and telephone
the best size to carry around even easily beat ipad
Development of Custom rom and stock rom are always up to date
unless samsung release new 7 inch tablet with dual core processor and amoled sceen
then it is not worthy anymore to purchase
When I got the P1000, my standard in speed and responsiveness on android began to change. I began to compare the Qualcomm chipset based androids vs. the Hummingbird of Samsung. The P1000 (and the original Galaxy S Plus which runs the same thing) is really good and even better can match the next gen Qualcomm. See how the original Galaxy S graphics even beats the Galaxy S Plus (newer release), is because of the same speedy setup done before.
The P1000 is a very good device. Really crazy why Samsung shortchanged many unknowing people as they downgraded the P1010 with an inferior chipset and graphics.
Is there already a dual core 7" as good as the P1000? The Dell Streak 7 besides abit more massive has a problem with batt life. Archos I didn't bother to consider. Is there anymore? The Galaxy Tab 8.9 is coming out better (dunno when), but it is not 7". Nothing compares that I know... for now.
I've only had mine for about a week, I bought it second hand for a great price and I love it so far. I use it more than my laptop and my Asus Transformer. I LOVE the size. The 10" tabs you pretty much need to use both hand to hold it all the time, the G.Tab easily in 1. Plus being able to type with both thumbs instead of finger pecking is a HUGE plus.
Yeah, the Galaxy Seven will probably be out in a couple months but if you need one now then it's a great little tab.
I was at the shop today again, played with XOOM and again with Galaxy Tab. Damn its size is just perfect and the screen so detailed and feels high quality. But then I tried to do what I do on My N900 (Maemo 5 OS), and WOW :O IT CAN NOT MULTITASK. I never noticed that! You can not have skype online and browse the web while listening to music. I asked the guy at the shop. He confirmed, just some can "run in the background" but there is no task switcher... Maybe you can make it multitask? On iOS i have backgrounder and Kirikae and it works like a charm, can you do the same on android?
Skype online while browsing the web and listening to music? won't the sound conflict?
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[Q] Should i buy a Galaxy Tab?

The topic says it all, with the current state of the tablet world, and understanding that when the Transformer Prime and its generation of tablets comes out the Gtab7 will be 2 generations behind, should i buy one ?
I can get one 2nd hand, for 150€ wifi+3g.
Is it worth it ?
if you can find one for a decent price, i'd say go for it... it might be worth checking the model of the one you want to buy to make sure developers support it if thats what you are after.
i just recently bought myself a galaxy tab 7 and im sure i'll get tons of use out of it. its such a nice size and portable, and the expericne is comparable to my phone, so nothing its too foreign like it is going from froyo to honeycomb or something.
i figure i'll keep this one until they come out with some decent 7 inch icecream sandwich tablets and i'll sell it and buy one of those. but i dont see one coming out that will thrill me much until at least mid next year.
i bought mine for about that same price (but in USD), honestly for me the instant i saw the deal it was far too good for me to resist.
dav3yb said:
if you can find one for a decent price, i'd say go for it... it might be worth checking the model of the one you want to buy to make sure developers support it if thats what you are after.
i just recently bought myself a galaxy tab 7 and im sure i'll get tons of use out of it. its such a nice size and portable, and the expericne is comparable to my phone, so nothing its too foreign like it is going from froyo to honeycomb or something.
i figure i'll keep this one until they come out with some decent 7 inch icecream sandwich tablets and i'll sell it and buy one of those. but i dont see one coming out that will thrill me much until at least mid next year.
i bought mine for about that same price (but in USD), honestly for me the instant i saw the deal it was far too good for me to resist.
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I already own a HD2 (work phone) and a DHD (private phone), so the Tab will be a complement to this ecosystem. I like it not being too big, and yet not too small.
We can find tons of 7inch tablets, bat all of them have the same resolution has my phones, and i wish to AVOID pixels
Performance wise, is it still on par? Can i throw it the same things i can on my DHD ?
How do you expect the ICS support to be? We're talking about samsung turf, and they're currently the "good guys" on google eyes, so the systems will always be similar. Yet i remain renitent... I hope others will comment this thread
well if you are looking at the one of the first generations of galaxy tabs (the ones that come with android 2.2), then i think samsung will not officially be releasing ICS on it. however there are some people who are working on porting ICS to the tab. You can find more on that in the development section.
I have a samsung galaxy s, SCH-I500, same as the fascinate on verizons network i think...
the phone and the tab have nearly identical specs, but the tab does feel much smoother. probably due to the increased ram it has.
one thing you can always consider though. 200$ is a good deal, and for what you can buy it for, if it turns out you cant achieve the experience you want on it... how hard will it be to just turn over to someone for the cost you paid? or even a bit more?
i cant really speak for the hd2 or desire hd phones, as i've not played with either. but i suspect the fact that you'll be using the tablet for different purposes would still make it a good buy. so far i think all the apps i have on my phone have ported over to my tab with no issues, seeing as how its pretty much the same OS version.
dav3yb said:
well if you are looking at the one of the first generations of galaxy tabs (the ones that come with android 2.2), then i think samsung will not officially be releasing ICS on it. however there are some people who are working on porting ICS to the tab. You can find more on that in the development section.
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Yes, i'm talking about the original Galaxy Tab. Not the new ones with Honeycomb
dav3yb said:
I have a samsung galaxy s, SCH-I500, same as the fascinate on verizons network i think...
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I'm in Europe, so no name mumbo jumbo for me. We have the Galaxy S, and the Galaxy S2. No Fascinates or whatever Verizon/Sprint/ATT/Tmouse chooses
(Thank god for that...)
dav3yb said:
the phone and the tab have nearly identical specs, but the tab does feel much smoother. probably due to the increased ram it has.
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I've come to accept that RAM is a major player on this OS. It's memory freak, but above a certain point, it's pointless of course (just like a PC).
As it stands, on 2.3.x, anything above 1gb is too much
dav3yb said:
one thing you can always consider though. 200$ is a good deal, and for what you can buy it for, if it turns out you cant achieve the experience you want on it... how hard will it be to just turn over to someone for the cost you paid? or even a bit more?
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200€ is a little too much above my budget. 150€ is the most i'll give, expecially for something that's probably 1 year old (i don't mean the release data, i mean the warranty)
dav3yb said:
i cant really speak for the hd2 or desire hd phones, as i've not played with either. but i suspect the fact that you'll be using the tablet for different purposes would still make it a good buy. so far i think all the apps i have on my phone have ported over to my tab with no issues, seeing as how its pretty much the same OS version.
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I WOULD be using the tablet. It got sold (bummer) minutes after the OP.
Pitty.... but i'll keep looking...
ah... sorry about the dollar amount... i was doing a rough conversion. 150 euros is about 200 us dollars.
that's something that was kind of getting me discouraged about my search for a 7inch. the lowest price i found before the one i bought was i think 330 USD, which is about 100 more euros than your budget.
thats why the minute i saw the deal, i jumped on it right away.
one thing that seems to be unanimous though, is try and stay away from the wifi only versions of the tab, as they lack in updates (even from samsung), and have little to no 3rd party development.
dav3yb said:
ah... sorry about the dollar amount... i was doing a rough conversion. 150 euros is about 200 us dollars.
that's something that was kind of getting me discouraged about my search for a 7inch. the lowest price i found before the one i bought was i think 330 USD, which is about 100 more euros than your budget.
thats why the minute i saw the deal, i jumped on it right away.
one thing that seems to be unanimous though, is try and stay away from the wifi only versions of the tab, as they lack in updates (even from samsung), and have little to no 3rd party development.
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Message received and understood! No wifi.
Don't apolagize, i'm the one that should be.
Still, 150€/$200 is a very nice deal, i hope i can find one again.
BTW, how hard is it to sim unlock this things ?
i couldnt tell you how easy it is to sim unlock the tab... mine is a verizon wireless version, and they dont take sim cards... and i think its locked into their network.
GSM tabs are easy to unlock. Search the forums.
I've actually. Bought 3 of the original 7" tabs recently, all at or below $200 CDN. All were mint condition.
Why 3? Well. Friends keep wanting in on the great deal
The Galaxy tab, while older is still very capable. Compare it to the kindle fire or nook color at around the same price point.
Slap CM 7.1 or CM 9 and you're in a good spot.
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[Q] Note becomes cheaper and cheaper. WHY?

This is definitely a FANTASTIC device in the market as of today. But I wonder why samsung reduced its price sooooo much?
Its just a little higher than s2 so obviously people will opt for Note than s2 (if size doesn't matter to them).
But where is the catch? I mean why they suddenly reduced Note's price THAT MUCH? From 800+ US dollars to 500+? Isn't that "to good to be true" deal?
I wonder what's samsung motive behind reducing Note's price.
a) Have they started making models with cheaper material now to fit in the latter price?
b) They reduced the price to justify their huge predicted target sales for Note?
c) Wanted people to stop buying s2 so that Note can get the lime light?
d) Reduced price so that people go for Note and by the time when enough sales have been made, they will lauch s3.
Marketing strategy. I went to buy S2 but there was lil difference in price so I bought Note, don't regret it.
When S3 is released Nexus, Note and S2 will be even cheaper.
Boy124 said:
Marketing strategy. I went to buy S2 but there was lil difference in price so I bought Note, don't regret it.
When S3 is released Nexus, Note and S2 will be even cheaper.
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Hmm. Point no. C.
samsung wants the note to be competitive with the quad cores.
Its just because its getting older, it will just keep going down in price now until they stop making them.
You actually have no idea WHO has reduced the price... you make an assumption that it is Samsung.. but it is just that, an assumption.
I would expect that the phones are somewhat cheaper to manufacturer now, given that there has been 8 months for yield improvement, but there is no evidence or reason for this itself to be reflected in the asp (average selling price).. Samsung should, if they at all possibly can, use any yield enhancement cost benefits to boost their margin, not support lower wholesale prices.
Resellers are in business to make money, and the general nature of value items like the Note is to milk the market at the highest price possible, then gradually reduce the price as interest falls to keep the sales volume high on a weekly/monthly basis .. ultimately, the low price is set by wholesale + minimum margin...
So, the pricing curve of the Note is highly typical of most other consumer devices like phones selling in high volume.
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This is definitely a FANTASTIC device in the market as of today. But I wonder why samsung reduced its price sooooo much?
Its just a little higher than s2 so obviously people will opt for Note than s2 (if size doesn't matter to them).
But where is the catch? I mean why they suddenly reduced Note's price THAT MUCH? From 800+ US dollars to 500+? Isn't that "to good to be true" deal?
I wonder what's samsung motive behind reducing Note's price.
a) Have they started making models with cheaper material now to fit in the latter price?
b) They reduced the price to justify their huge predicted target sales for Note?
c) Wanted people to stop buying s2 so that Note can get the lime light?
d) Reduced price so that people go for Note and by the time when enough sales have been made, they will lauch s3.
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Yeah, from the time when i bought it for like 580$ (which is quite cheap at that time) and now it is like around 530... It was just more than a month, a little bit quickly but i accept that fact, and will not regret that
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samsung wants the note to be competitive with the quad cores.
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But is Note competitive enough to compete with the incoming Quad Core phones?
Simple: Product Cycle Theory
First level was attracting the "I must have it quickly cause its the latest technology" type of costumers with heavy advertising program. They sold enough to this type of consumers with high prices. Advertising and R&D costs have been gained by these costumers. Then they realized that sells are getting slower. Second level started. With lower prices attracting leftover costumers. They dont have to put high prices cause they already gained R&D costs. With low production costs (New Average Cost= Average Total Cost - Average R&D Cost - Average Ads Cost) profits are coming again with increased sales. They will release Quadcore SGS3 soon and a new product cycle will begin. After a while SGN will pass to third level "downfall" Sorry for this boring information I couldnt stop myself
I have master degree in marketing
everything drops, new tech comes out making the older stuff, like the note go down in value to be able to compete in the market
I think smart money is on a note 2 or note plus being announced soon and they're vacating the price point that the new note will occupy.
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But is Note competitive enough to compete with the incoming Quad Core phones?
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good question
was £515 when I bought it, over 6 months ago. Is now £410 from the same site. seems normal amount of price drop to me.
Simple laws of supply and demand
Simple economics 101...supply and demand. It was a way overpriced phone to begin with. The actually technology that went into this phone probably costs no more than 200-250 dollars to manufacture. It originally sold at nearly 900 dollars. That's what...a 400% mark up? Outrageous.
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I think smart money is on a note 2 or note plus being announced soon and they're vacating the price point that the new note will occupy.
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I doubt they would be launching Note 2 anywhere soon.
i paid $880AU for my note in november last year.
now i can pick one up for $510AU.
htc have a quad core phone for around $570 for the same site, so no one would ever buy a note if it cost more than the htc one x.
plus, samsung announced the s3 in 2 days time.
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i paid $880AU for my note in november last year.
now i can pick one up for $510AU.
htc have a quad core phone for around $570 for the same site, so no one would ever buy a note if it cost more than the htc one x.
plus, samsung announced the s3 in 2 days time.
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Although Samsung has tried its best to create a new category (Phablet) by bringing NOTE into the market. But still people will compare it with current available mobile phones in market to build their decision for a purchase. This will only change once more phablets start entering the market from competition, only then can the comparison between phablets start.
Newegg has it right now for $499, or a bundle with a BT headset for $515 and a $20 MIR.
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Newegg has it right now for $499, or a bundle with a BT headset for $515 and a $20 MIR.
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What's the procdeure to purchase goods from Newegg?
And how do one pays? as in, online or Cash-on-delivery?
If you are paying online and upon delivery the product turns out to be faulty or not good.. What to do then? Replace?
As with on delivery, you have upper hand that if the product didnt turn out to be good or the one you ordered.. you can easily refuse to accept it.

[Q] In a dilemma? GNex or SIII?

My trusty S1 is starting to look abit dated, im looking into getting either the Galaxy Nexus or SIII but havent seen either in person :S if money wasnt in the equation i would have gone straight for the S3 with the beast ExynosQuad but im only 17 so £500 for a phone is abit pricey, So I can either get the Galxy Nexus being slightly cheaper or the S3, ive heard good and bad about the GNex so im not quite sure, plus, i get bored with using the same UI very easily so im not sure whether ill be left with buyers remorse a month after buying a shiny new GNex. Also, does anyone know how easy the Nexus is to root compared to the S3, throughout the Galaxy S its easy as hell, all you have to do is flash a custom Kernel, is it that simple for the GNex? And how easy is it to brick? The S1 has got to be hands down the best phone when it comes to "unbrickability"
Sorry if I rambled on didnt wnt to post in a S3 or GNex forum as i knew it would be biased towards that particular phone.
Personally I'd go for the S3. Tried the GNex from a friend of mine, feels a bit silly imo. The S3 looks immense though. If you want a solid device for a decent price I'd recommend the S2.
I bought my S1 5 weeks back for £100 and feel a bit silly because of the price crash on the S2's due to the new release.
I just flashed RemICS v1.2 on my phone and I think it can tide me over until a windows 8 phone comes out It's a nice rom, suffice it to say.
Well my friend own's a Nexus and he loves it, but he's not really a techie anyway and doesn't root or flash or anything.
I'm guessing you've already read a few reviews for both phones to help with your decision?? Also, are you on a contract or pre-paid? It's gonna be a lot cheaper obviously if you get the S3 on a contract. It's not like the Nexus is a BAD phone... it's just that the S3 is better
And it took me a while to figure out how to root my S1 (my touchpad was a b*tch to figure out) so I'm probably not the best judge on whether or not the Nexus is easily rooted... If you don't get the answer you want on this thread I'd suggest actually researching the Nexus' rooting methods. I'd imagine they'd all pretty much have similar instructions anyway.
It really depends on what you actually do on your phone. If you're constantly running your phone hard or just want the newest gadget, then the S3 - you're future-proofed for a couple of years at least. The dual core on the Nexus should get you through most of anything, but as you said buyer's remorse. But considering you're only 17... I don't think you can afford getting buyer's remorse on anything

Is it still a good idea to buy a Galaxy S5 Mini in july 2016?

Hello guys, my Z3c is dying on me and I've come to notice that the S5 Mini is a well-rounded phone. My sister has one and it has survived many falls and abuses.
Is it a good idea to buy a new one in these days? Or should I go to something newer? I'm a die-hard fan of small phones, but my options are very limited (S5 Mini, iPhone SE or an overly expensive z3c).
And if you believe that it's a good idea to buy a S5 Mini, which variant should I aim for?
Thank you for your ideas.
I have one, bought it used 3 months ago, and have had no problems. One warning I have is it seems harder to unlock yourself than previous Samsung SX phones. It's got good battery life, removable battery, memory card slot, all the things I was looking for. Some websites I went to warn that it's got worse specs than the full S5, and for no good reason. Reddit subs around phones seem to hate it. Just make sure you make sure the phone is legit and not stolen before you buy it, etc.

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