This is definitely a FANTASTIC device in the market as of today. But I wonder why samsung reduced its price sooooo much?
Its just a little higher than s2 so obviously people will opt for Note than s2 (if size doesn't matter to them).
But where is the catch? I mean why they suddenly reduced Note's price THAT MUCH? From 800+ US dollars to 500+? Isn't that "to good to be true" deal?
I wonder what's samsung motive behind reducing Note's price.
a) Have they started making models with cheaper material now to fit in the latter price?
b) They reduced the price to justify their huge predicted target sales for Note?
c) Wanted people to stop buying s2 so that Note can get the lime light?
d) Reduced price so that people go for Note and by the time when enough sales have been made, they will lauch s3.
Marketing strategy. I went to buy S2 but there was lil difference in price so I bought Note, don't regret it.
When S3 is released Nexus, Note and S2 will be even cheaper.
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Marketing strategy. I went to buy S2 but there was lil difference in price so I bought Note, don't regret it.
When S3 is released Nexus, Note and S2 will be even cheaper.
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Hmm. Point no. C.
samsung wants the note to be competitive with the quad cores.
Its just because its getting older, it will just keep going down in price now until they stop making them.
You actually have no idea WHO has reduced the price... you make an assumption that it is Samsung.. but it is just that, an assumption.
I would expect that the phones are somewhat cheaper to manufacturer now, given that there has been 8 months for yield improvement, but there is no evidence or reason for this itself to be reflected in the asp (average selling price).. Samsung should, if they at all possibly can, use any yield enhancement cost benefits to boost their margin, not support lower wholesale prices.
Resellers are in business to make money, and the general nature of value items like the Note is to milk the market at the highest price possible, then gradually reduce the price as interest falls to keep the sales volume high on a weekly/monthly basis .. ultimately, the low price is set by wholesale + minimum margin...
So, the pricing curve of the Note is highly typical of most other consumer devices like phones selling in high volume.
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This is definitely a FANTASTIC device in the market as of today. But I wonder why samsung reduced its price sooooo much?
Its just a little higher than s2 so obviously people will opt for Note than s2 (if size doesn't matter to them).
But where is the catch? I mean why they suddenly reduced Note's price THAT MUCH? From 800+ US dollars to 500+? Isn't that "to good to be true" deal?
I wonder what's samsung motive behind reducing Note's price.
a) Have they started making models with cheaper material now to fit in the latter price?
b) They reduced the price to justify their huge predicted target sales for Note?
c) Wanted people to stop buying s2 so that Note can get the lime light?
d) Reduced price so that people go for Note and by the time when enough sales have been made, they will lauch s3.
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Yeah, from the time when i bought it for like 580$ (which is quite cheap at that time) and now it is like around 530... It was just more than a month, a little bit quickly but i accept that fact, and will not regret that
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samsung wants the note to be competitive with the quad cores.
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But is Note competitive enough to compete with the incoming Quad Core phones?
Simple: Product Cycle Theory
First level was attracting the "I must have it quickly cause its the latest technology" type of costumers with heavy advertising program. They sold enough to this type of consumers with high prices. Advertising and R&D costs have been gained by these costumers. Then they realized that sells are getting slower. Second level started. With lower prices attracting leftover costumers. They dont have to put high prices cause they already gained R&D costs. With low production costs (New Average Cost= Average Total Cost - Average R&D Cost - Average Ads Cost) profits are coming again with increased sales. They will release Quadcore SGS3 soon and a new product cycle will begin. After a while SGN will pass to third level "downfall" Sorry for this boring information I couldnt stop myself
I have master degree in marketing
everything drops, new tech comes out making the older stuff, like the note go down in value to be able to compete in the market
I think smart money is on a note 2 or note plus being announced soon and they're vacating the price point that the new note will occupy.
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But is Note competitive enough to compete with the incoming Quad Core phones?
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good question
was £515 when I bought it, over 6 months ago. Is now £410 from the same site. seems normal amount of price drop to me.
Simple laws of supply and demand
Simple economics 101...supply and demand. It was a way overpriced phone to begin with. The actually technology that went into this phone probably costs no more than 200-250 dollars to manufacture. It originally sold at nearly 900 dollars. That's what...a 400% mark up? Outrageous.
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I think smart money is on a note 2 or note plus being announced soon and they're vacating the price point that the new note will occupy.
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I doubt they would be launching Note 2 anywhere soon.
i paid $880AU for my note in november last year.
now i can pick one up for $510AU.
htc have a quad core phone for around $570 for the same site, so no one would ever buy a note if it cost more than the htc one x.
plus, samsung announced the s3 in 2 days time.
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i paid $880AU for my note in november last year.
now i can pick one up for $510AU.
htc have a quad core phone for around $570 for the same site, so no one would ever buy a note if it cost more than the htc one x.
plus, samsung announced the s3 in 2 days time.
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Although Samsung has tried its best to create a new category (Phablet) by bringing NOTE into the market. But still people will compare it with current available mobile phones in market to build their decision for a purchase. This will only change once more phablets start entering the market from competition, only then can the comparison between phablets start.
Newegg has it right now for $499, or a bundle with a BT headset for $515 and a $20 MIR.
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Newegg has it right now for $499, or a bundle with a BT headset for $515 and a $20 MIR.
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What's the procdeure to purchase goods from Newegg?
And how do one pays? as in, online or Cash-on-delivery?
If you are paying online and upon delivery the product turns out to be faulty or not good.. What to do then? Replace?
As with on delivery, you have upper hand that if the product didnt turn out to be good or the one you ordered.. you can easily refuse to accept it.
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Anyone have any idea about what the consumer cost will be once it is ready to come out to the public? Just wanted to start this discussion so we can speculate, etc. I have heard far under $1500.00 but who really knows right? The fact that it does not have a built in date module should help, but like any technology it won't be cheap. What do you all think?
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Anyone have any idea about what the consumer cost will be once it is ready to come out to the public? Just wanted to start this discussion so we can speculate, etc. I have heard far under $1500.00 but who really knows right? The fact that it does not have a built in date module should help, but like any technology it won't be cheap. What do you all think?
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yeah i doubt that it will be the same price as the prototype they are selling to devs right now. So I'm guessing, it'll be between $500-$700, considering that in the past google likes to have much better prices compared to their competitors. (ex: Nexus 4 vs iPhone5).
I've also heard rumors of apple creating some sort of watch (which i'm predicting will be googles main competing product with the glasses), so the price of google glasses will probably be a bit less than those.
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yeah i doubt that it will be the same price as the prototype they are selling to devs right now. So I'm guessing, it'll be between $500-$700, considering that in the past google likes to have much better prices compared to their competitors. (ex: Nexus 4 vs iPhone5).
I've also heard rumors of apple creating some sort of watch (which i'm predicting will be googles main competing product with the glasses), so the price of google glasses will probably be a bit less than those.
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But i don't think they are really in the same competitive field as each other, one is kinda a watch to look at time and maybe some sort of video call on your wrist, whilst the other kinda adds an interface to life. they are too different.
besides knowing apple, and apple will be apple, their watch will be "revolutionary" and will cost like a gazillion dollars.
It's kinda really hard to estimate the price on the glasses,
but i know i can't wait to get a pair!
Will be exciting when we have tons of people walking around the the glasses on. I guess I will have to switch back to contacts as they don't look like they will fit over my current glasses.
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Will be exciting when we have tons of people walking around the the glasses on. I guess I will have to switch back to contacts as they don't look like they will fit over my current glasses.
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When they are eventually available to consumers you'll probably be ready for new glasses anyway.
I can't see it being this $500+ everyone is predicting. It will most likely have only a single core CPU, 256-512mb ram, limited GPU, and lacking the cost of a large glass display. I see it being more around $150-$250
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Yeah in guessing in the $150-$300ish range.
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I don't know. I think the technology itself will drive it to the $500-$700 range. I will definitely buy it is it's $150-$300. But if it's any higher I'd have to see some user reviews. The videos look great but I want some testimonials.
The irony will not be lost on me that I just had LASIK performed two years ago to escape these things...
Its a new thing. I think it will start at $800. But when the crappy chinese companys start building it, it will go down extremly fast. Thats what also happend with touchscreen smarthpones.
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I do not remember where I read it - consumer version will cost about 1000.
Are you kidding me? This is Google we are talking about here, I'd bet it would have at minimum a 1.2 gigahertz dual core and a gig of ram. This still could be really cheap, but they have to decide how expensive they want it to be. I'm buying no matter what the price is.
"1.2 gigahertz dual core and a gig of ram"?
Why to use such processor and RAM, if Glass will be only additional device to a smartphone.
It won't cost no more than a smart phone. Google are known for there cheap prices and quality. They will use cheaper material than the 1500 glasses and cut cost. If it cost a lot the price will drop because they won't sell enough units to make a profit.
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It won't cost no more than a smart phone. Google are known for there cheap prices and quality. They will use cheaper material than the 1500 glasses and cut cost. If it cost a lot the price will drop because they won't sell enough units to make a profit.
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I don't think the material will be cheaper. The prototype is expensive, because it is a prototype, which generally tend to be expensive. However, when mass produced, they will really come down. I have a hunch that Google is looking for people who will really put Glass to the test, hence they are asking for what you will do with it. Who knows, there could be reward of some kind for the testers.
Besides, I don't think Google will sell the metal band with all models. They are in process of talking to some sun-glass manufacturers and if all goes well, you will be looking at Ray Ban and such frames, capable of mounting the actual Glass hardware on. In addition, you will also be able to attach any prescription glasses on these.
This will mostly be an add on device to your phone. Like the Sony smartwatch and stuff. It will have some computing happening in it, but the majority will be offloaded to your phone (like the smartwatch). So, like touch-and-pair, then go everywhere. Glass does have WiFi for standalone operations, but no cellular chip, so it has to be tethered to your phone. Hence, calling and stuff will be routed through your phone instead of direct communication. WiFi also means that as long as your phone and Glass share the same WiFi, they can connect to each other, no matter the distance.
Kartik.
There is a device available now that has almost all of the required components, called the Recon Mod Live. It's a snap-in hmd for ski goggles that retails for $399. It has the optics to use the tiny screen, Bluetooth to talk to a phone, onboard gps, and a pretty decent battery. It even has an SDK for writing your own apps. The only thing it's missing is a camera. It's also quite ugly, as it's not intended to be seen on it's own. It hides completely inside the goggles. I think it's a very good product for price comparison. I would not be surprised to see Google glasses come in around $400-500.
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It won't cost no more than a smart phone. Google are known for there cheap prices and quality. They will use cheaper material than the 1500 glasses and cut cost. If it cost a lot the price will drop because they won't sell enough units to make a profit.
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It's not about the profit. Google wants Glass to be popular, just like Android.
One way to increase the popularity of a product is to sell it at a low price, just like they did with the Nexus 7 or the Nexus 4.
300 dollars would be a decent price.
True words - unfortunately.
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When they are eventually available to consumers you'll probably be ready for new glasses anyway.
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omg
that is too costly.. i mean 500$ is damn too high.. you can almost buy 2 iphone in that price
For me it must be the same price as Wear. Because it is functionally the same.
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For me it must be the same price as Wear. Because it is functionally the same.
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Completely agree. Functionality wise, I do not see the difference minus a minor convenience to not look down at your hand
How do you feel about upcoming S5 Active with better build quality, bigger screen, more sensors and quite 2x cheaper? It's just 25 days since start of S5 sales when they sold 10 mln devices, and now they are going to launch Active in July. I feel angry with Samsung for such misleading marketing.
It's a statistical fact that every time a phone is made another is made after. If this disappoints you id stick to Morse code or maybe those cans with string.
I buy my phone based on what i want at the time didn't you do the same? It's a buyers market and it's not going to stay still just because you want the latest
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It's a statistical fact that every time a phone is made another is made after. If this disappoints you id stick to Morse code or maybe those cans with string.
I buy my phone based on what i want at the time didn't you do the same? It's a buyers market and it's not going to stay still just because you want the latest
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Galaxy S series phones were positioned as a flagship series. And Active phones were a bit of "S Lite", they shared the name "S", had weaker CPU/GPU @ less MHz, less Mpix, cheaper display, nevertheless the price was quite the same compated to S-parent..
Now they make a phone with almost indentical hardware excepting the Snapdragon 800 instead of 801, better screen, better body and gonna sell it below $600 compared to my S5's price of $850!
When I buy a flagship, I'd like to own a flagship for a year or so, not for a couple of months. And yes, this is also a question of money and vanity.
I will bet you it isn't gonna be half the cost of an S5. Even if gsmarena says so.
And a successor to the S4 Active was bound to happen, so if you really wanted it you could have waited.
I don't see how it's misleading if they keep their mouth shut...I don't recall them denying an S5 Active.
The phone is ugly as hell and bulky. Please, don't cry.
OP I have a solution for you, but you feel free to rant/express your betrayal via those Social Sites. But the solution is SWAPPA
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I haven't read this anywhere, it's just my own personal view based on Samsungs previous behaviour.
While the Tab S seems to be a great piece of kit it looks to me like sales haven't been great (tracking numerous used sales sites they do not sell particularly quickly, I've even seen units listed for 3+ weeks - and I know the unit is still available because I've e-mailed the sellers).
Given Samsung abandoned the PRO series pretty quickly for poor sales how many people think Samsung may use the opportunity of the launch of Android L (speculated for this month) to abandon the S series and launch a new 'latest greatest' version to replace it?
The fact that so many markets don't have 'official' 32GB units shows the amount of product in the channel that hasn't sold through yet.
Thoughts?
I think they made a mistake limiting 32gb sales to BestBuy. They could have sold a lot more than they have if it wasn't.
But, I see us getting an update to "L". That might be it though.
There's actualy a new version called Tab S Slate with updated cpu and lte-a
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There's actualy a new version called Tab S Slate with updated cpu and lte-a
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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_s_slate_with_ltea_tipped_to_launch_in_korea-news-9828.php
Ouch.......
All your Tab S they belong to me!!!!
Actually, Korea has better version of S5 cell phone too, but it does not mean that general S5 won't get an update. Same is here I think. Samsung has strange policy with tablets - they make it with older hardware than current smartphones have! But anyway, even Galaxy Note 8, that had old hardware for it's time, got 4.4 and Tab S will get L I think. About 32 GB. I have not seen any of Samsung 32GB models here in Russia for most of the devices. It's always was just 16 GB
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I have not seen any of Samsung 32GB models here in Russia for most of the devices. It's always was just 16 GB
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Same here in Germany, it is mostly the base configuration that is available. The higher memory variants either never show off, a year latter at some random online retailers or are at the most a one provider exclusive thing released three months later.
OK i cant take it LOL i bought the Pro 10.1 then 4 months later the S 10.5 and with days picked the S over the 10.1 for so many reasons not even including the screen.
just kidding though as i am not one to yell about why there are new ones and regret my purchases. i actually enjoy the new stuff and expect it. when the new stuff offers enough for me to upgrade i move.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_s_slate_with_ltea_tipped_to_launch_in_korea-news-9828.php
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All your Tab S they belong to me!!!!
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This is an interesting article on the version of the Exynos Chipset rumoured to be in the Tab S Slate......it supports 64 Bit
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-note-exynos-snapdragon-armv8,27688.html
Now that WOULD be a killer upgrade.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_s_slate_with_ltea_tipped_to_launch_in_korea-news-9828.php
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All your Tab S they belong to me!!!!
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I hope that the pricing difference is not that much
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I haven't read this anywhere, it's just my own personal view based on Samsungs previous behaviour.
While the Tab S seems to be a great piece of kit it looks to me like sales haven't been great (tracking numerous used sales sites they do not sell particularly quickly, I've even seen units listed for 3+ weeks - and I know the unit is still available because I've e-mailed the sellers).
Given Samsung abandoned the PRO series pretty quickly for poor sales how many people think Samsung may use the opportunity of the launch of Android L (speculated for this month) to abandon the S series and launch a new 'latest greatest' version to replace it?
The fact that so many markets don't have 'official' 32GB units shows the amount of product in the channel that hasn't sold through yet.
Thoughts?
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Sorry. I find this mildly absurd. In recent years, Samsung has a good track record of updating all of their flagship products, even if it does take a while. If this were a midrange or budget product, I'd totally agree with you. Samsung doesn't update it's budget products. In this case, though, I think you're way off base. If the Galaxy Note 8.0 and original 2012 Galaxy Note 10.1 (both crap sellers) got KitKat, the Tab S line will get L. This isn't even a question in my mind.
I never said the Tab S wouldn't get Android L, I said that they would abandon it and launch a new replacement........Samsung did this with the P6800 a few years back, did one subsequent software update then nothing.
Also this will likely force Samsung to have to start to rationalise some of their product offerings and instead concentrate their resources on a smaller range IMHO.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29516806
This is their flagship product in the tablet line. Not even remotely going to happen. Worse. Thread. Ever.
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Here is why it will get L. Samsung typically supports new products with occasional updates for 18 to 24 months, and L is just around the corner, and M is coming not so long after. My S2 came with Gingerbread, and Samsung gave it ICS and JB (I took it to KK 4.4.4). I have no doubt, L will be backward-compatible with non-64 bit hardware. The overall installed base for Android and the number of recent Samsung devices out there is too prodigious. Whether our Tab Ss get official M and beyond its the question.
You could go crazy the way Samsung dribbles products into the market. They have too many products overlapping when less, done with latest specs, would do just fine. All this crazy overdevelopment is one reason they have financial problems. It causes consumer confusion, market chaos, and makes updates a crapshoot. So what are you going to do? Keep holding your breath for Samsung to wake up, rationally anticipate the future, and deliver what you think is the perfect device for you? You'll lose your mind. In the end, when I was ready to buy a tablet, I was just ready. My eyes were open about the situation, so I rolled the dice and bought as best I could - in this case, Samsung - knowing my top of the line tablet was already about to be an antique. And you know what? When the day comes that I need to upgrade to 64 bit, with all that entails (e.g. 4gb RAM and apps that actually require it - and that is not going to be so soon), I'll put this tablet on eBay and bite the bullet again, knowing the next one I buy will already be late to the game the day it is released. But for now, I've put my hysteria aside and accept that my tablet is just fine, as is my highly customized S2 which, I'm sure, will be running L when that gets in the hands of capable outside developers, and probably M, too, if I hang on to it that long [emoji6].
For all its monstrous flaws, this is the one thing Apple's (and a few others') business model gets partly right. Less devices, less overlap, and unified updates can be as good as more. Don't get me wrong. Releasing 1 or 2 devices a year with a long patch between tech improvements (often just catch up) isn't particularly gratifying unless you are a typical brainwashed Apple fanzombie.
If you do some research tablet sales are cooling; even Apple's. Unlike smartphones, the replacement cycle is slower for tablets with current owners keeping them much longer. Phablets are denting tablet sales; especially in emerging markets where people can't afford two devices.
Apple and Samsung both lost market share in Q2; Apple more so. Apple was down in volume while Samsung gained. Price is obviously impacting sales with low cost tablet vendors growing in volume and market share.
We on XDA have a skewed view of the world. The masses are far less concerned about the speed of their CPU/GPU if they even know or care what they are. Same thing with Android L. If the latest and greatest Android version were that important to the masses Samsung wouldn't be selling the volume of devices they do and GPe and Nexus devices would be more popular.
Samsung most likely reused the high-end architecture from earlier tablets on the S' to save money and get them to market faster. Bearing the cost of redesigning them for 5433/S-805 isn't going to affect their sales or their perception by the masses. If Android L is so important getting the existing S' on it quickly makes more sense than launching a new tablet. But I don't think the masses care. If they did HTC wouldn't still be hemorrhaging sales after positioning themselves as the "fastest" OEM at updates. The S' claim to fame are their exclusive AMOLED displays. That's what you'll see advertised over the holidays.
Samsung's working on 10" 4K tablets displays that'll need 5433/S-805. That's most likely going to be the "next big thing." And the Note tablets need a refresh so logically they're next up to bat and they have a loyal following and drive higher margins.. As for a faster LTE-A tablet, I'd be surprised if even 30% of the tablets Samsung sells have cellular modems. And if high-end tablet sales are price depressed making them even more expensive seems illogical.
Trying to guess Samsung's next move is a fools game. If they make something you like buy it and be happy. The launch of the S' didn't change the features and usability of the Pro's one bit.
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Samsung did this with the P6800 a few years back, did one subsequent software update then nothing.
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That's not really a valid comparison. The S', based on distribution and marketing spend alone, are clearly mass market products. The Tab 7.7 was a niche product, not unlike the Galaxy Round, Korean-only LTE-A devices, and probably the Note Edge. All Samsung's high-end tablets from less than a year ago to present share most of the same h/w and s/w components. The Tab 7.7 shared nothing with any other Samsung device and was priced higher than 10" high-end tablets when it was released. If it didn't get updated it was because there weren't enough in circulation for Samsung to be bothered. Any L update will serve the N10.1-14, Pro's, and S' equally so, while not impossible, it would be bizarre if all of them didn't get Android L.
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Really, our biggest caveat is that it's expensive, even compared to mid-range models like the $350 7.0 Plus. The 7.7 isn't a plaything for mainstream consumers, but people who care deeply about laying claim to the latest and greatest gadgets, and are willing to pay dearly for the privilege. As any early adopter would tell you, getting burned on price is just one trade-off to scoring bragging rights. Indeed, such enthusiasts might well decide that nearly $250 premium over mid-range tablets is worth the long battery life, brisk performance and brilliant display. So is that you? Do you need the best that badly? We'll let you do some soul-searching and chew on that*for a bit.
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That's not really a valid comparison. The S', based on distribution and marketing spend alone, are clearly mass market products. The Tab 7.7 was a niche product, not unlike the Galaxy Round, Korean-only LTE-A devices, and probably the Note Edge. All Samsung's high-end tablets from less than a year ago to present share most of the same h/w and s/w components. The Tab 7.7 shared nothing with any other Samsung device and was priced higher than 10" high-end tablets when it was released. If it didn't get updated it was because there weren't enough in circulation for Samsung to be bothered. Any L update will serve the N10.1-14, Pro's, and S' equally so, while not impossible, it would be bizarre if all of them didn't get Android L.
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Really, our biggest caveat is that it's expensive, even compared to mid-range models like the $350 7.0 Plus. The 7.7 isn't a plaything for mainstream consumers, but people who care deeply about laying claim to the latest and greatest gadgets, and are willing to pay dearly for the privilege. As any early adopter would tell you, getting burned on price is just one trade-off to scoring bragging rights. Indeed, such enthusiasts might well decide that nearly $250 premium over mid-range tablets is worth the long battery life, brisk performance and brilliant display. So is that you? Do you need the best that badly? We'll let you do some soul-searching and chew on that*for a bit.
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The only reason it became a "niche" market is because of the US law suit by Apple and having the product banned for copyright infringement. I believe Samsung won the case eventually, but cut their losses and moved on, effectively abandoning the device and customers.
The 7.7 shared many of the same hardware components with other mobile devices. Note and SGS2 ......
Circumstances appear different, so I'm sure we'll get the update, but who knows where we'll be on the pecking order. ......
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The only reason it became a "niche" market is because of the US law suit by Apple and having the product banned for copyright infringement.
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The easiest way to tell a niche product is by its selling price. The Tab 7.7 was priced stratospherically for its time. To a degree, the Gear's are a niche product too based on price. If Samsung wanted mass adoption they could have averaged their costs over 10M units (vs. 1M) and priced them at $159. They didn't. They sold them at $299 limiting their audience intentionally to drive high margins. They also could have made the Gear work with non-Samsung phones if all they wanted to do was drive volume. The market sets pricing, not vendors. And the pricing for the Tab 7.7 was way above what the market was acceptant of and that wasn't by accident. The Galaxy Round was a bent Note 3 without S Pen and cost 30% more. That too wasn't an accident. AMOLED technology wasn't wear it is today when the 7.7 came out. Setting the price where they did may have allowed Samsung to ensure they didn't run out of the limited amount of displays they could produce. That, and make embarrassingly high margins.
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The easiest way to tell a niche product is by its selling price. The Tab 7.7 was priced stratospherically for its time. To a degree, the Gear's are a niche product too based on price. If Samsung wanted mass adoption they could have averaged their costs over 10M units (vs. 1M) and priced them at $159. They didn't. They sold them at $299 limiting their audience intentionally to drive high margins. They also could have made the Gear work with non-Samsung phones if all they wanted to do was drive volume. The market sets pricing, not vendors. And the pricing for the Tab 7.7 was way above what the market was acceptant of and that wasn't by accident. The Galaxy Round was a bent Note 3 without S Pen and cost 30% more. That too wasn't an accident. AMOLED technology wasn't wear it is today when the 7.7 came out. Setting the price where they did may have allowed Samsung to ensure they didn't run out of the limited amount of displays they could produce. That, and make embarrassingly high margins.
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Not necessarily.
Crapple products are way overpriced, but I wouldn't call them a niche product.......... The 7.7 was a premium device, one that scared Crapple, but premium doesn't equal niche. It wasn't a gimmicky device or "prototype" (as some you quoted), it was a real competitor, so that's what scared them and held up the production and shipment delays in Europe and US with law suits. By the time it was all sorted, Samsung had washed their hands of it. During that time, support for updates was nearly non-existent and my WIFI version didn't progress beyond ICS. The 3G model did however get a regional update for Asia to JB. This clearly shows that Samsung do indeed have a history of not supporting their products with updates for a (legal?) 18 months. Who will make them comply.
As I said though, I believe this device is a different kettle of fish, so we will get support, but may not be in a expedient manner as hoped.
Purely coincidentally in the UK today on Samsungs own website....
http://store.samsung.com/uk/ng/mobile-tablets/tablets/c/SM02
TAB Pro and Note Pro products being sold at 40% off.
Addressing some of the comments above......
The P6800 (7.7) was originally launched directly against the Ipad at a time in the market when Ipad was really the only player in town. Apples lawsuits certainly did dent the product marketing and distribution, but also what had a huge effect, was within months there was a whole rash of 'low cost' Android tablets that moved the market space in terms of pricing. The 7.7 was perhaps even over engineered for it's time (metal case, AMOLED screen, dual networking etc....) and certainly would have had a BoM that wouldn't allow it to be sold at a price competing with the likes of the Nexus 7.....so Samsung had to launch the lower cost range of products that followed. I have no issue with this, what I did and still do have an issue with is the fact that Samsung did not continue to release software updates for a reasonable amount of time afterwards. Many of us spent $500+ for our 7.7s and in effect they became redundant within 18 months....not a good return on investment.
I see the same behaviour at the moment with the Tab and Note PRO range which in my mind is just reinforced by the price promotion on their website today, I'm concerned that we may see the same behaviour for the Tab S tomorrow as sales frankly have not been at the level the Samsung must have been hoping for.
As to this being the worst thread ever, then why contribute?
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TAB Pro and Note Pro products being sold at 40% off.
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Did anyone here not think the Pro's were toast when the S' came out? They're the same tablets and launched with the same selling prices. The big and only difference is that the S' truly have an industry exclusive killer feature - their AMOLED displays. The Pro's were discounted at similar levels in the U.S. weeks ago confirming what we all knew or suspected; there ain't room in this town for two high-end similar tablets. The only surprise from the UK is that both 12" devices are marked down so significantly which I translate in to disposing of inventory on the way to extinction. 12" tablets were a risk to begin with so I guess Samsung's calling it a day. If you notice, the N10.1-14's gone from the site completely except for third party purchase. It could mean new 8.4/10/12" Notes are on the way. The 8" has been missing for a year and the 12" without S Pen was kind of stupid. Once you get to a certain price point does $50-100 difference really mean anything? So I could see the 8.4/10/12" Notes and 8.4/10.5 S' being Samsung's rationalized product line. The 12" Note being the big wild card. And due to AMOLED's battery performance on whites I'd bet the Note's continue with LCD displays.
Back to the subject of this thread. It's pretty clear why the Pro's were toast when the S' came out. What's going to make the S' toast? Android L can run on ARMv7 SoCs with 512MB of RAM so, at least to me, introducing a major h/w change in conjunction with Android L doesn't make sense and "quad core" and "eight core" are still going to be on the box regardless of which Exynos or Snapdragon chip is under the hood. That said, it's equally unlikely the "S" will become the S 2 simply because newer SoC's are available. For the thesis of this thread to be true means the only reason the S' aren't selling as well as they could are because of their Android version and CPU/GPU. I don't think the masses care enough for that to be true. If something were to happen "S 2-wise" it would be happening now to get the merch on the shelves before the holidays and to beat/meet the arrival of the Teg K1 HTC/Nexus 8.9" tablet. There's been no S-like tablets that have shown up in benchmarks or been certified for Wi-Fi, BT, or cellular anywhere. Just the LTE-A S specific to Korea. There was a 100 page thread in the SGS5 forum about people worrying the Alpha was going to be a metal SGS5 with more power. Turned out to be 100 pages of wasted server space and fretting. Every time a Korean LTE-A device comes out the klaxon horns go off about it imminently replacing or rendering inferior an existing global device. Hasn't happened yet.
There probably will be a "S 2" but if I were to bet it would take more than a SoC swap and/or new Android version to make that happen. But I've been wrong before.
So conspiracy theorists do carry on. I'm out because this thread is turning argumentative and I'm not helping.
So Samsung today announced note 4's India launched for 58k ( around 950$) I was looking forward for note 4 but 58k is just tooo much, what do you guys think if Note 4 really worth 22k extra compare to Lg G3?
I seriously think not :/ Was confirmed to get a note 4 but now I am rather swinging towards iphone 6 only coz I need to upgrade within a week and N4 price is surely gona badly drop just like s5 but might take 1-2 months and I cant wait that long, this was really rubbish move from samsung 53k max n I would have got it, but 58k, no ty sammy.
The Lenovo Vibe Z2 pro is offering similar specs for almost half the price.
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The Lenovo Vibe Z2 pro is offering similar specs for almost half the price.
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Just looked at the specs, CPU + Screen Resolution are the same as LG G3, so wouldn't it experience the same lags and throttling?
Does G3 seriously lag? I have had 15-20 minutes with it in a local shop and did not see any kind of lag or so but may be since i am still using the 2 years old Note 2 and new generations phones like M8, S5 are very fast?
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Just looked at the specs, CPU + Screen Resolution are the same as LG G3, so wouldn't it experience the same lags and throttling?
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Does G3 seriously lag? I have had 15-20 minutes with it in a local shop and did not see any kind of lag or so but may be since i am still using the 2 years old Note 2 and new generations phones like M8, S5 are very fast?
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I played also with a G3 in the shop, no lag on the home screen. But I just picked that info of the G3 under performing due to the under powered Snapdragon 801 for running a QHD resolution.
I think the note 4 is a way better choice then the G3. I have a G3, it is a very nice phone but from time to time I do get a lag... And coming from a note 3, I really miss my note 3...just my opinion... Hope this helps... BTW the G3 just got a work around the locked bootloader, called bump... So now you can flash twrp on it and flash roms when they come avaliable... But I'm still getting a note 4...
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Yeah since the Note 4 was announced on 4th Sep i was following each and every news on Internet and was very sure that i am getting the Note 4, I even gave away 2 invites of One Plus One. 58k for a Samsung phone is like 20 lakh for a Maruti, its good but for 22 lakh i can get a BMW ( apple)
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I seriously think not :/ Was confirmed to get a note 4 but now I am rather swinging towards iphone 6 only coz I need to upgrade within a week and N4 price is surely gona badly drop just like s5 but might take 1-2 months and I cant wait that long, this was really rubbish move from samsung 53k max n I would have got it, but 58k, no ty sammy.
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Yeah since the Note 4 was announced on 4th Sep i was following each and every news on Internet and was very sure that i am getting the Note 4, I even gave away 2 invites of One Plus One. 58k for a Samsung phone is like 20 lakh for a Maruti, its good but for 22 lakh i can get a BMW ( apple)
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Thats the reason it is being priced higher.. I am ok with it and imho it will sell more this time if they maintained that price cuz it ll totally beat the point of buying an iphone(at least in india where carrying an iphone equals a certain standard of living).. Now u can carry a premium device with actual features and innovations rather than being stuck with a boring and suffocating os just because u needed to show off.
And btw ur comparison is totally wrong here.. A bmw has better everything than a maruti.. While in this case the iPhone is inferior in every way.. If Note is a maruti then iphone is a ct 100 motorcycle priced as a bmw.
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that motorcycle comparison is so spot on lol
I tend to disagree about the pricing of NOTE 4 in India, iPhone 16GB costs 53,500 & 64GB 62,500. Apple has a very high brand value & is a status symbol in India. So cost is justified, though Note 4 is better phone overall, Samsung doesn't hold such brand value. So pricing is very bold & likely to drop very soon like the better Galaxy S5
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Thats the reason it is being priced higher.. I am ok with it and imho it will sell more this time if they maintained that price cuz it ll totally beat the point of buying an iphone(at least in india where carrying an iphone equals a certain standard of living).. Now u can carry a premium device with actual features and innovations rather than being stuck with a boring and suffocating os just because u needed to show off.
And btw ur comparison is totally wrong here.. A bmw has better everything than a maruti.. While in this case the iPhone is inferior in every way.. If Note is a maruti then iphone is a ct 100 motorcycle priced as a bmw.
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Yes it is worth. I am upgrade from G3 to Note 4 and feeling stunning. Good screen, fast proccessor, stunning battery life. The LG G3 have only good screen but the battery is bad and very laggy because 2K screen in the 801 snapdragon chip.
Thats my point it has a brand value because it is priced higher..At least in India nobody gives a [email protected]#k about the stock value or the worth of the company or that it is an American product. Apple has a name here because they demand a premium for their devices. Direct competition of Note 4 is iphone 6 plus which is being priced at 62500 for the 16gb version. Galaxy Note series has always been a premium segment device. And sammy has enough brand value to price it the way they have. Like i said before,IF and only IF they maintained the same price,then Note 4 will sell more.It will give you the satisfaction of carrying a premium device and keeping ur standards(showing off) in the society at the same time it will be an actual smartphone. And i dont think they ll lower the price too much this time.Since last year it was due to the online retailers that the priced dipped so low.Its all over the news now a days.Sammy,LG,Sony,Htc,etc will all take strict measures to retain the minimum selling prices due to the backlash they faced from the brick and mortar store owners this year.
Fair enough, but Samsung is no Apple and has a very good record on price drop. Day 5 from launch u can expect the a bit 10 % price drop. i am going to wait or get it from Dubai where its priced around 46k
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Thats my point it has a brand value because it is priced higher..At least in India nobody gives a [email protected]#k about the stock value or the worth of the company or that it is an American product. Apple has a name here because they demand a premium for their devices. Direct competition of Note 4 is iphone 6 plus which is being priced at 62500 for the 16gb version. Galaxy Note series has always been a premium segment device. And sammy has enough brand value to price it the way they have. Like i said before,IF and only IF they maintained the same price,then Note 4 will sell more.It will give you the satisfaction of carrying a premium device and keeping ur standards(showing off) in the society at the same time it will be an actual smartphone. And i dont think they ll lower the price too much this time.Since last year it was due to the online retailers that the priced dipped so low.Its all over the news now a days.Sammy,LG,Sony,Htc,etc will all take strict measures to retain the minimum selling prices due to the backlash they faced from the brick and mortar store owners this year.
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Fair enough, but Samsung is no Apple and has a very good record on price drop. Day 5 from launch u can expect the a bit 10 % price drop. i am going to wait or get it from Dubai where its priced around 46k
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Just goes to show how things are valued in different countries. I think the iPhone is a piece of overpriced crap and the only status I think it implies is that people have no clue how misinformed they are for buying it. But that's me... And I'm so glad Samsung isn't Apple.
Also, if status is what you crave, wouldn't the higher priced item increase the status of the symbol?
If that would have been the case I would be using an apple device but I don't because I know they are way overpriced for the value they provide. The problem with samsung is different though 800$ around 49k was good price for the note.
Anyway samsung is on destructive path with rise of Chinese players in India and Their bad pricing and availability mess
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Just goes to show how things are valued in different countries. I think the iPhone is a piece of overpriced crap and the only status I think it implies is that people have no clue how misinformed they are for buying it. But that's me... And I'm so glad Samsung isn't Apple.
Also, if status is what you crave, wouldn't the higher priced item increase the status of the symbol?
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http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/note-4-sales-lower-than-early-note-3-interest
For the first time in history, the Note sold less phones than the previous generation. This is without a doubt due to the larger display phones from the obvious competitor, iPhone 6 plus.
If Apple continuous to improve phablet Iphones, and include a stylus, it will be the start of the end for the note series? you think?
The Note 4 was out of stock since day one here in France and most of the carriers haven't got their stock.
If it's the same in other country, I suppose sales figures are normal.
I think it's a lot because the Note 4 isn't really a big upgrade from the Note 3. There are also less differences between phones in general, upgrades aren't as interesting compared to e.g. 2 years ago. Market's getting saturated.
Its the first time they porbably cant produce note series its out of stock in everywhere. And in big markets note 4 sales started like 1 week ago.
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http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/note-4-sales-lower-than-early-note-3-interest
For the first time in history, the Note sold less phones than the previous generation. This is without a doubt due to the larger display phones from the obvious competitor, iPhone 6 plus.
If Apple continuous to improve phablet Iphones, and include a stylus, it will be the start of the end for the note series? you think?
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This is a great example of manipulation. They are comparing sales of note 3 in it's first month, to sales of note 4 which is out for less than two weeks.
I don't think so. Yes, the note was always the obvious choice for anyone wanting a large phone.... There is so much more choice of large phone these days, but the note is still unrivalled when it comes to that additional feature set that the s pen brings.
I dumped the note series last year when Samsung came in with Knox and region lock etc. A load of BS in my opinion.
However, the note still offers a lot more than the iphone 6 plus ever could
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This is extremely misleading. The Note 4 didn't roll out fully yet. Its only just currently rolling out in Western Europe, with huge markets like France getting it only last week. I've never been one to hate Apple, heck I use a Mac. But the new iPhone 6 plus is so far behind the note 4, there is no comparison, no threat, no competition.
as others have stated such a misleading article (and unverified at that).
only in south korea and china (i think) that the note 4 was released a full month
Lol they just started selling it few days ago worldwide!
And it's not even available in many countries, i can't buy it in mine!
"End of Note series?"... I can't!
Most likely it's supply issues to do with the hi-res AMOLED panels.
Whatever the case may be, it's ironic that this is even being brought up. Go back a month ago and read what the analysts were estimating for Apple's sales. Several were guessing that Apple sold LESS iPhone 6/6 Plus units that 5s units -- until Apple surprised everyone with their numbers. Until we hear from Sammy directly, I would hold off on pronouncing doom. These tech sites -- especially "trusted" reviews aren't necessarily bastions of reliability.
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Lol they just started selling it few days ago worldwide!
And it's not even available in many countries, i can't buy it in mine!
"End of Note series?"... I can't!
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even demo units are not available in saudi lol
Lol... what is a IPhone 6 Plus?
It's just a IPhone like all other iPhones. Just bigger, that's all.
No additional features... nothing.
Note Buyers want not only a bigger screen!!!
IPhone 6+ comparison with any Note Series is bull****.
My Siemens S1 from 1998 is bigger then my Note 4! Is it better? WTF... why I have sold it? (ironic)
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Still can't buy one here in Belgium. Stock has been delayed 2 times, so I guess sales shouldn't be that bad!
A fight broke out today in Apple's China facility. Witnesses say, 'It wasn't significantly different from any previous fights'.
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There is nothing stopping Samsung from creating a Brand New line if their sales start decreasing dramatically. It's the oldest trick in the book. Change the name, make it appear to be an all new product. I can say first hand that I love my Note 4, and it's by far the best phone I've had to date. I played with an iPhone 6 Plus in the store for about 20 minutes. I was bored out of my mind.
I can't even buy it and I'm in California
Hilarious article and thread. Hahaha! Ended.
I highly doubt that the iPhone 6+ will be the end of the Note series. The numbers can be deceiving. Maybe Samsung didn't sell as many Note 4s because the Note 3s were such a good phone and people didn't find as much of an urge to upgrade. Samsung may not have sold as many in the first few days as Apple, but maybe that is because apple fans will wait in line for weeks to get their new phones, where all of us are wiser and have better stuff to do and don't have time to waste like that. There are tons of places that are sold out. I had to wait for a week and a half before they had one in stock.
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One thing has nothing to do with the other. Large western markets and the high-end segment are saturated which is causing a sales and market share decline for all OEMs selling high-end products. Growth is in low and mid-range products in emerging markets where Samsung and Apple are both weaker and will make less unit profit if they pursue and compete against the Chinese and Indian OEMs. Both Apple and Samsung lost market share last quarter and will continue to in spite of the benefit of new high-end product launches which won't compensate for the far greater growth of other segments and regions.
As for phablets in general, they are a niche product and will continue to be outsold by smartphones through 2018 by a ratio of 2:1. Not every wants or will ever want a giant phone.
The iPhone 6 Plus was a horrible experience. Actually, ios 8 was a horrible experience.
It just.....didn't work.