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[Q] Note becomes cheaper and cheaper. WHY?

This is definitely a FANTASTIC device in the market as of today. But I wonder why samsung reduced its price sooooo much?
Its just a little higher than s2 so obviously people will opt for Note than s2 (if size doesn't matter to them).
But where is the catch? I mean why they suddenly reduced Note's price THAT MUCH? From 800+ US dollars to 500+? Isn't that "to good to be true" deal?
I wonder what's samsung motive behind reducing Note's price.
a) Have they started making models with cheaper material now to fit in the latter price?
b) They reduced the price to justify their huge predicted target sales for Note?
c) Wanted people to stop buying s2 so that Note can get the lime light?
d) Reduced price so that people go for Note and by the time when enough sales have been made, they will lauch s3.

Marketing strategy. I went to buy S2 but there was lil difference in price so I bought Note, don't regret it.
When S3 is released Nexus, Note and S2 will be even cheaper.

Boy124 said:
Marketing strategy. I went to buy S2 but there was lil difference in price so I bought Note, don't regret it.
When S3 is released Nexus, Note and S2 will be even cheaper.
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Hmm. Point no. C.

samsung wants the note to be competitive with the quad cores.

Its just because its getting older, it will just keep going down in price now until they stop making them.

You actually have no idea WHO has reduced the price... you make an assumption that it is Samsung.. but it is just that, an assumption.
I would expect that the phones are somewhat cheaper to manufacturer now, given that there has been 8 months for yield improvement, but there is no evidence or reason for this itself to be reflected in the asp (average selling price).. Samsung should, if they at all possibly can, use any yield enhancement cost benefits to boost their margin, not support lower wholesale prices.
Resellers are in business to make money, and the general nature of value items like the Note is to milk the market at the highest price possible, then gradually reduce the price as interest falls to keep the sales volume high on a weekly/monthly basis .. ultimately, the low price is set by wholesale + minimum margin...
So, the pricing curve of the Note is highly typical of most other consumer devices like phones selling in high volume.
filthykid said:
This is definitely a FANTASTIC device in the market as of today. But I wonder why samsung reduced its price sooooo much?
Its just a little higher than s2 so obviously people will opt for Note than s2 (if size doesn't matter to them).
But where is the catch? I mean why they suddenly reduced Note's price THAT MUCH? From 800+ US dollars to 500+? Isn't that "to good to be true" deal?
I wonder what's samsung motive behind reducing Note's price.
a) Have they started making models with cheaper material now to fit in the latter price?
b) They reduced the price to justify their huge predicted target sales for Note?
c) Wanted people to stop buying s2 so that Note can get the lime light?
d) Reduced price so that people go for Note and by the time when enough sales have been made, they will lauch s3.
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Yeah, from the time when i bought it for like 580$ (which is quite cheap at that time) and now it is like around 530... It was just more than a month, a little bit quickly but i accept that fact, and will not regret that

DPMAce said:
samsung wants the note to be competitive with the quad cores.
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But is Note competitive enough to compete with the incoming Quad Core phones?

Simple: Product Cycle Theory
First level was attracting the "I must have it quickly cause its the latest technology" type of costumers with heavy advertising program. They sold enough to this type of consumers with high prices. Advertising and R&D costs have been gained by these costumers. Then they realized that sells are getting slower. Second level started. With lower prices attracting leftover costumers. They dont have to put high prices cause they already gained R&D costs. With low production costs (New Average Cost= Average Total Cost - Average R&D Cost - Average Ads Cost) profits are coming again with increased sales. They will release Quadcore SGS3 soon and a new product cycle will begin. After a while SGN will pass to third level "downfall" Sorry for this boring information I couldnt stop myself
I have master degree in marketing

everything drops, new tech comes out making the older stuff, like the note go down in value to be able to compete in the market

I think smart money is on a note 2 or note plus being announced soon and they're vacating the price point that the new note will occupy.

filthykid said:
But is Note competitive enough to compete with the incoming Quad Core phones?
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good question

was £515 when I bought it, over 6 months ago. Is now £410 from the same site. seems normal amount of price drop to me.

Simple laws of supply and demand

Simple economics 101...supply and demand. It was a way overpriced phone to begin with. The actually technology that went into this phone probably costs no more than 200-250 dollars to manufacture. It originally sold at nearly 900 dollars. That's what...a 400% mark up? Outrageous.

Geekybiker said:
I think smart money is on a note 2 or note plus being announced soon and they're vacating the price point that the new note will occupy.
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I doubt they would be launching Note 2 anywhere soon.

i paid $880AU for my note in november last year.
now i can pick one up for $510AU.
htc have a quad core phone for around $570 for the same site, so no one would ever buy a note if it cost more than the htc one x.
plus, samsung announced the s3 in 2 days time.

Souai said:
i paid $880AU for my note in november last year.
now i can pick one up for $510AU.
htc have a quad core phone for around $570 for the same site, so no one would ever buy a note if it cost more than the htc one x.
plus, samsung announced the s3 in 2 days time.
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Although Samsung has tried its best to create a new category (Phablet) by bringing NOTE into the market. But still people will compare it with current available mobile phones in market to build their decision for a purchase. This will only change once more phablets start entering the market from competition, only then can the comparison between phablets start.

Newegg has it right now for $499, or a bundle with a BT headset for $515 and a $20 MIR.

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Newegg has it right now for $499, or a bundle with a BT headset for $515 and a $20 MIR.
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What's the procdeure to purchase goods from Newegg?
And how do one pays? as in, online or Cash-on-delivery?
If you are paying online and upon delivery the product turns out to be faulty or not good.. What to do then? Replace?
As with on delivery, you have upper hand that if the product didnt turn out to be good or the one you ordered.. you can easily refuse to accept it.

Galaxy S5 Active -- I feel betrayed

How do you feel about upcoming S5 Active with better build quality, bigger screen, more sensors and quite 2x cheaper? It's just 25 days since start of S5 sales when they sold 10 mln devices, and now they are going to launch Active in July. I feel angry with Samsung for such misleading marketing.

It's a statistical fact that every time a phone is made another is made after. If this disappoints you id stick to Morse code or maybe those cans with string.
I buy my phone based on what i want at the time didn't you do the same? It's a buyers market and it's not going to stay still just because you want the latest

waz000000 said:
It's a statistical fact that every time a phone is made another is made after. If this disappoints you id stick to Morse code or maybe those cans with string.
I buy my phone based on what i want at the time didn't you do the same? It's a buyers market and it's not going to stay still just because you want the latest
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Galaxy S series phones were positioned as a flagship series. And Active phones were a bit of "S Lite", they shared the name "S", had weaker CPU/GPU @ less MHz, less Mpix, cheaper display, nevertheless the price was quite the same compated to S-parent..
Now they make a phone with almost indentical hardware excepting the Snapdragon 800 instead of 801, better screen, better body and gonna sell it below $600 compared to my S5's price of $850!
When I buy a flagship, I'd like to own a flagship for a year or so, not for a couple of months. And yes, this is also a question of money and vanity.

I will bet you it isn't gonna be half the cost of an S5. Even if gsmarena says so.
And a successor to the S4 Active was bound to happen, so if you really wanted it you could have waited.
I don't see how it's misleading if they keep their mouth shut...I don't recall them denying an S5 Active.

The phone is ugly as hell and bulky. Please, don't cry.

OP I have a solution for you, but you feel free to rant/express your betrayal via those Social Sites. But the solution is SWAPPA
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iPhone 6 Plus = End of Note series?

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/note-4-sales-lower-than-early-note-3-interest
For the first time in history, the Note sold less phones than the previous generation. This is without a doubt due to the larger display phones from the obvious competitor, iPhone 6 plus.
If Apple continuous to improve phablet Iphones, and include a stylus, it will be the start of the end for the note series? you think?

The Note 4 was out of stock since day one here in France and most of the carriers haven't got their stock.
If it's the same in other country, I suppose sales figures are normal.

I think it's a lot because the Note 4 isn't really a big upgrade from the Note 3. There are also less differences between phones in general, upgrades aren't as interesting compared to e.g. 2 years ago. Market's getting saturated.

Its the first time they porbably cant produce note series its out of stock in everywhere. And in big markets note 4 sales started like 1 week ago.

kuromusha38 said:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/note-4-sales-lower-than-early-note-3-interest
For the first time in history, the Note sold less phones than the previous generation. This is without a doubt due to the larger display phones from the obvious competitor, iPhone 6 plus.
If Apple continuous to improve phablet Iphones, and include a stylus, it will be the start of the end for the note series? you think?
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This is a great example of manipulation. They are comparing sales of note 3 in it's first month, to sales of note 4 which is out for less than two weeks.

I don't think so. Yes, the note was always the obvious choice for anyone wanting a large phone.... There is so much more choice of large phone these days, but the note is still unrivalled when it comes to that additional feature set that the s pen brings.
I dumped the note series last year when Samsung came in with Knox and region lock etc. A load of BS in my opinion.
However, the note still offers a lot more than the iphone 6 plus ever could
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This is extremely misleading. The Note 4 didn't roll out fully yet. Its only just currently rolling out in Western Europe, with huge markets like France getting it only last week. I've never been one to hate Apple, heck I use a Mac. But the new iPhone 6 plus is so far behind the note 4, there is no comparison, no threat, no competition.

as others have stated such a misleading article (and unverified at that).
only in south korea and china (i think) that the note 4 was released a full month

Lol they just started selling it few days ago worldwide!
And it's not even available in many countries, i can't buy it in mine!
"End of Note series?"... I can't!

Most likely it's supply issues to do with the hi-res AMOLED panels.
Whatever the case may be, it's ironic that this is even being brought up. Go back a month ago and read what the analysts were estimating for Apple's sales. Several were guessing that Apple sold LESS iPhone 6/6 Plus units that 5s units -- until Apple surprised everyone with their numbers. Until we hear from Sammy directly, I would hold off on pronouncing doom. These tech sites -- especially "trusted" reviews aren't necessarily bastions of reliability.

*Emix* said:
Lol they just started selling it few days ago worldwide!
And it's not even available in many countries, i can't buy it in mine!
"End of Note series?"... I can't!
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even demo units are not available in saudi lol

Lol... what is a IPhone 6 Plus?
It's just a IPhone like all other iPhones. Just bigger, that's all.
No additional features... nothing.
Note Buyers want not only a bigger screen!!!
IPhone 6+ comparison with any Note Series is bull****.
My Siemens S1 from 1998 is bigger then my Note 4! Is it better? WTF... why I have sold it? (ironic)
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Still can't buy one here in Belgium. Stock has been delayed 2 times, so I guess sales shouldn't be that bad!

A fight broke out today in Apple's China facility. Witnesses say, 'It wasn't significantly different from any previous fights'.
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There is nothing stopping Samsung from creating a Brand New line if their sales start decreasing dramatically. It's the oldest trick in the book. Change the name, make it appear to be an all new product. I can say first hand that I love my Note 4, and it's by far the best phone I've had to date. I played with an iPhone 6 Plus in the store for about 20 minutes. I was bored out of my mind.

I can't even buy it and I'm in California

Hilarious article and thread. Hahaha! Ended.

I highly doubt that the iPhone 6+ will be the end of the Note series. The numbers can be deceiving. Maybe Samsung didn't sell as many Note 4s because the Note 3s were such a good phone and people didn't find as much of an urge to upgrade. Samsung may not have sold as many in the first few days as Apple, but maybe that is because apple fans will wait in line for weeks to get their new phones, where all of us are wiser and have better stuff to do and don't have time to waste like that. There are tons of places that are sold out. I had to wait for a week and a half before they had one in stock.

kuromusha38 said:
This is without a doubt due to the larger display phones from the obvious competitor, iPhone 6 plus.
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One thing has nothing to do with the other. Large western markets and the high-end segment are saturated which is causing a sales and market share decline for all OEMs selling high-end products. Growth is in low and mid-range products in emerging markets where Samsung and Apple are both weaker and will make less unit profit if they pursue and compete against the Chinese and Indian OEMs. Both Apple and Samsung lost market share last quarter and will continue to in spite of the benefit of new high-end product launches which won't compensate for the far greater growth of other segments and regions.
As for phablets in general, they are a niche product and will continue to be outsold by smartphones through 2018 by a ratio of 2:1. Not every wants or will ever want a giant phone.

The iPhone 6 Plus was a horrible experience. Actually, ios 8 was a horrible experience.
It just.....didn't work.

Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 edge+ coming August 12, on sale from August 21

Going by Samsung’s usual launch schedule, the Galaxy Note 5 would be less than two months away from getting an official announcement at this point of time. Going by recent rumors, however, the time before the Note 5 is unveiled would be even shorter. Well, it looks like the latter is what we will have to believe in, as our insiders have revealed today the the Galaxy Note 5 will be announced on August 12, and go on sale around two weeks later on August 21.
We have also learned that the Galaxy S6 edge Plus will be launched as the Galaxy S6 edge+, and will be announced alongside the Note 5 on the same date. Samsung’s plan to launch two big handsets at the same time (and risking one device eating into the sales of the other) was leaked by a report out of the Korean press a few hours ago, and we can confirm that it is indeed what the company intends to do. The two devices will also be accompanied by the official launch of Samsung Pay, at least for the US market.
Now, let’s move on to a few details of the Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 edge+. First, Samsung’s next phablet flagship. Let’s get one of the most important aspects of the phone out of the way: The Note 5 will not have a microSD slot, something we had guessed would be the case earlier this month. In terms of design, the phone will basically be a blown-up version of the Galaxy S6. But like the Galaxy A8, the Note 5 will have extremely thin screen bezel, a design change that might come in handy in terms of ergonomics keeping in consideration the new metal and glass design that the Note 5 is expected to feature.
The S Pen will also be seeing a few design changes. According to the information we’ve received, the stylus will look more like a pen this time around (and apparently feel like one, too) and will have the same color as the color of the device. Speaking of colors, the Galaxy Note 5 will be offered in silver, gold, black and white options; these are the same options we’ve seen on the Note 4, though the glass construction on the Note 5 is sure to make these same-old colors look considerably better.
When it comes to the Galaxy S6 edge+, there’s really not much to tell. The device will be a phablet version of the Galaxy S6 edge, with a curve on either side of the screen and the same color options as the Note 5. We can, however, confirm that the S6 edge+ will be powered by the Exynos 7420 instead of a Snapdragon 808, and have 3GB of RAM. Oh, and as we said yesterday, the Note 5 will certainly become the first Samsung phone to feature 4GB of RAM. We’re guessing storage options would be the same as the Galaxy S6 lineup, though it would be great if Samsung would make the 64GB variant the base model to make up for the lack of expandable storage.
Provided all the information we have been given turns out to be correct, Samsung’s next UNPACKED event could be one of its biggest yet, if only because of the number of things it will announce on a single day. The August launch seems too early to be true, but with numerous rumors pointing at Samsung moving faster with the Galaxy Note 5, it certainly looks like we will be hearing everything from the horse’s mouth in under a month from now.
Phones Galaxy Note 5
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/07/14...edge-coming-august-12-on-sale-from-august-21/

toofimoofi said:
Going by Samsung’s usual launch schedule.....
Going by recent rumors, however.....
Well, it looks like the latter is what we will have to believe in....
as our insiders have revealed today.....
was leaked by a report out of the Korean press a few hours ago..
According to the information we’ve received....
When it comes to the Galaxy S6 edge+, there’s really not much to tell....
We’re guessing....... storage options would be the same as the Galaxy S6 lineup, though it would be great if Samsung would make the 64GB variant the base model to make up for the lack of expandable storage.
Provided all the information we have been given turns out to be correct.....
but with numerous rumors pointing at Samsung moving faster with the Galaxy Note 5, it certainly looks like we will be hearing everything from the horse’s mouth in under a month from now...
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/07/14...edge-coming-august-12-on-sale-from-august-21/
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was leaked by a report out of the Korean press a few hours ago..
Samsung has not commented on these reports so it’s official position on the matter is not known. From that own article.
Enough with the sammobile could be, might be...

After the mess that was the Note 4 release I don't believe anything until I have a device in my hand.

Me and my N4 will be here if you need us lol.

To be honest why would anyone with an Exynos Note 4 update; the SoC is only slightly improved as is the nand and ram, but the screen is pretty much the same and no microsd support nor swappable batteries? Being released in August also means no Android M at launch, which means you'll be waiting until Jan/Feb for the update. Guessing it'll have the same cameras as the S6 which is pretty much on par with the Note 4's.

***In case this is true***
Now we know the reason our Note 4 is the worst flagship in the updates department. They were planning for a faster Note 5 release to beat Apple. and not respect the 1 year release they had til now. Not cool Samsung.

Well if it's true about it being a blown up version of S6 then not going to get it... No sdcard and non removable battery, I think it's a terrible choice
GALAXY NOTE II... WHAT ELSE?

mythoc said:
***In case this is true***
Now we know the reason our Note 4 is the worst flagship in the updates department. They were planning for a faster Note 5 release to beat Apple. and not respect the 1 year release they had til now. Not cool Samsung.
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Samsung's problem is that they have 100000000 different devices to support and different variants of those devices for different regions. No wonder they don't have the time to update all of their phones at once.

Normally I buy a new phone every year but this might be the first time I'll stay on the Note 4 for a year longer. At the moment I don't feel like re-doing all the work we did on CM12.1 Note 4 Snapdragon, for the Note 5 again. Slayher has serious health issue's, so he won't be able to work on it neither. And RaymanFX has just reached the early alpha/beta stages of getting CM running on the 910C Exynos variant, so I'd also doubt he'll jump onto the Note 5.
So the Note 5 might not get a lot dev support and will most likely not feature AOSP for a long time and therefore not something I'd personally be interested in, let alone buy.

Another spam thread. Don't listen to hear say because that only leads to disappointment! Wait for the official announcement from Samsung.

speedyjay said:
Another spam thread. Don't listen to hear say because that only leads to disappointment! Wait for the official announcement from Samsung.
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So sammobile, engadget and wall street journal are all spam news? Just face it, samsung has gived us the finger with this iphone-like pathway theyre taking.

Toss3 said:
To be honest why would anyone with an Exynos Note 4 update; the SoC is only slightly improved as is the nand and ram, but the screen is pretty much the same and no microsd support nor swappable batteries? Being released in August also means no Android M at launch, which means you'll be waiting until Jan/Feb for the update. Guessing it'll have the same cameras as the S6 which is pretty much on par with the Note 4's.
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Agree wholeheartedly (if the rumours of features (or lack of) are anything to go by). Its a fat S6. That's it.
I see this as the end of the road for me and Samsung. In so many more ways - I won't buy their next tablet and find no need to buy their TV's which I do now because they integrate well with my phone and tablet. Game over.
All the benefits of the note series have been removed (SD slot, removable battery). I wonder also how easy the back is to shatter. Anyone chucked an s6 on the pavement yet!?
I don't care about larger faster phone memory. I don't care about wireless charging - we don't all carry charger around or have access to power sockets while out and about.
POOR decision Samsung - just because you are an Apple wannabe. In the past you did things differently - and that's what we liked about the note! You have missed a trick and no doubt your ability to remain a key player in the phone market / recover damaging lack of profit as you become more like apple in design everyday.
I've actually seen very few positive posts about the note 5. As opposed to when the N4 was in rumourville - excitement reigned. What a fail.

Note 5 = Samsung Galaxy S6 note
Bleh!

ChodaBoyUSA said:
Note 5 = Samsung Galaxy S6 note
Bleh!
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The Note line has always been a bigger and S-Pen'd version of the S series though. The Note 2 was a big S3 and the Note 3 a big S4 etc. So this hasn't stopped massive sales of the Note series. I do agree that it would be nice to have something different however, but Samsung (and other OEMs) make business decisions that sometimes don't seem right to consumers.

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but Samsung (and other OEMs) make business decisions that sometimes don't seem right to consumers.
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and watch their profits slump even further...

Well i want to know how they want to beat the leaked antutu score of the upcoming LG nexus 5 2015 (85000+) i own the snapdragon note 4 and hope the note 5 will be more powerfull in 3d performance.

Toss3 said:
To be honest why would anyone with an Exynos Note 4 update; the SoC is only slightly improved as is the nand and ram, but the screen is pretty much the same and no microsd support nor swappable batteries? Being released in August also means no Android M at launch, which means you'll be waiting until Jan/Feb for the update. Guessing it'll have the same cameras as the S6 which is pretty much on par with the Note 4's.
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Note 5 will have RAW camera support - it is huge difference between Note 4 and 5.
Battery 4100 vs 3200 is enormous improvement - it is not "non removable". Every battery can be replaced but it will take more to do. You will not do this in train.
Lack of SD card is not an issue IMHO.

bonerp said:
Agree wholeheartedly (if the rumours of features (or lack of) are anything to go by). Its a fat S6. That's it.
I see this as the end of the road for me and Samsung. In so many more ways - I won't buy their next tablet and find no need to buy their TV's which I do now because they integrate well with my phone and tablet. Game over.
All the benefits of the note series have been removed (SD slot, removable battery). I wonder also how easy the back is to shatter. Anyone chucked an s6 on the pavement yet!?
I don't care about larger faster phone memory. I don't care about wireless charging - we don't all carry charger around or have access to power sockets while out and about.
POOR decision Samsung - just because you are an Apple wannabe. In the past you did things differently - and that's what we liked about the note! You have missed a trick and no doubt your ability to remain a key player in the phone market / recover damaging lack of profit as you become more like apple in design everyday.
I've actually seen very few positive posts about the note 5. As opposed to when the N4 was in rumourville - excitement reigned. What a fail.
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Here's a new flash for you. Was the previous Note's not a model after the S line at the time? This is nothing new.
What iPhone and iPad will you be switching to? With your change, you can now get the new 99.5" Apple Liquid Cooled LED and it comes with 3D contacts for free.
The benefits of having a removable SD slot and battery are very subjective:
The ability to add more storage and to swap out the battery is great, however, you can also accomplish this with a battery bank and Cloud storage. Obviously the swap is more convenient, but at the end of the day you obtain the same results. The fact here is that most users don't swap out batteries left and right and the same goes for SD Cards. Solution = Back up your phone, keep it organized, use a Cloud, keep only what you really need and eliminate dead weight files just sitting on your phone, and use a battery bank. There are a lot to choose from.
Any phone that is dropped will take a beating. There's no way around it unless you obviously have a nice case on it that can take an impact to protect the phone. Basing a buying decision on whether a phone will hold up from a drop is a little far fetched. Any phone will incur some damage. Solution = Insurance, which with TM JUMP it's all included. Well and of course use a good case.
If you don't care about a faster phone with more memory, than just stick with the Note 4. What's the problem?
The decision on Samsung's part is based on the majority. Welcome to the real world. That's just how it works. Samsung will always be a key player in the phone market, whether you like it or not. They are a huge multi-billion dollar conglomerate with many different divisions other than mobile phones.
Apple wannabe? Hmmm...Samsung creates the phablet culture and years later Apple comes out with the iPhone 6 Plus and....this makes Samsung a wannabe? I don't think so.... mind you Samsung and LG (both S.Korean giants) provide numerous parts for Apple products. iPhone's IPS Screen is LG, internal motherboard and varies chip-sets are by Samsung, battery cell is Samsung and more.... Some variants were slightly different where some variants had IPS's by Sharp, which Samsung owns a part of Sharp. So before you go blabbering about calling a Tech Giant a wannabe, I'd think twice about it.... but of course you're just speaking out of emotions right?
Here's some food for thought to help you understand further Samsung's decision:
Most people don't need more than 64GB of storage.
Most people don't swap out batteries twice a day.
Most people have several charging options available to them at any given time. Home, Work, Car, Battery Bank, etc...
So being that these are true for the vast majority, it is very logical for Samsung to have made the decision to change up the design language in going with a uni-body frame, that bring about many benefits.
Lets look at the positive:
The Note 5 has...
Way bigger battery (4100mAh) from the Note 4.
Bigger storage option. 128GB
Faster and better CPU.
More RAM.
Better screen. (tba)
Flat front glass, which is a dream come true for glass-screen protector users. (No more 2.5D madness. Finally an edge to edge coverage.)
Uni Body frame...stronger, sturdier, lighter, and just overall a better platform to be able to pack the punch.
Not everyone has the same needs.
Finally the ultimate solution. For all the whiners. SOLUTION = STAY WITH YOUR NOTE 4!
SIMPLE...Everyone's happy.
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apprentice said:
The Note line has always been a bigger and S-Pen'd version of the S series though. The Note 2 was a big S3 and the Note 3 a big S4 etc. So this hasn't stopped massive sales of the Note series. I do agree that it would be nice to have something different however, but Samsung (and other OEMs) make business decisions that sometimes don't seem right to consumers.
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Well said. It's funny how so many people find it such a surprise that the Note 5 models after the S6, like it's some big surprise.
Kids....SMH

iunlock said:
SD card slot is not a benefit in today's world with Unlimited Cloud storage. If you really need more than 128GB of storage then use a cloud. Simple.
Removable battery? Who cares! Like 4100mAh isn't enough. That's what chargers are for...ever heard of battery banks?
It cracks me up to see people like you crying over petty stuff and completely over looking the benefits of the new releases...
Note 5:
Better built aluminum uni-body phone.
Better Screen.
Bigger internal SD storage. Upto 128GB
Bigger battery. 4100mAh
Faster CPU.
More RAM.
Best of all, a smooth front screen for all the Glass screen protector fans out there. Finally...edge to edge coverage.
Not everyone has the same needs, but you act like the pattern of the note series all of a sudden has changed? Of course the Note 5 will model after the S6. As it was for the Note 4....so what's the fuss?
Good luck with your make over lol... cracks me up...
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What an obnoxious post. Who's crying?? Simply feeding back my dis-satisfaction with the change of direction made. This is an open forum and I don't see any rules suggesting myself and many others can't do this.:silly:
If you want a phone that looks like an S6 or ip6, why buy the Note???! - which has always been targeted at high users that do want the flexibility it provides.
It now becomes an S6 plus or an overpriced Oneplus with a stylus..

I'll wait and see, I guess.
MicroSD card and replaceable battery are critical to my use (I swap batteries at least once a day), and I'd really like if the western versions of the Note5 had Dual SIM support.
The Notes are work tools, not fashion accessories, and I use them as such.

Galaxy note 5 is the new Windows 8

I've owned Samsung galaxy Notes 2,3 and 4 but for the first time I'm going to give this next edition a miss.
No SD card or removable battery is like Windows 8 without the start button and will IMHO prove to be a similar disaster for Samsung.
However, it's not just this as the specs feel more like a downgrade and a stop-gap, the equivalent of a Note 4s.
So I'm in the market for a new phone from a different manufacturer and looking around at what's coming up.
Hopefully they'll 'take note' (pardon the pun) for Note 6!

Galaxaster said:
I've owned Samsung galaxy Notes 2,3 and 4 but for the first time I'm going to give this next edition a miss.
No SD card or removable battery is like Windows 8 without the start button and will IMHO prove to be a similar disaster for Samsung.
However, it's not just this as the specs feel more like a downgrade and a stop-gap, the equivalent of a Note 4s.
So I'm in the market for a new phone from a different manufacturer and looking around at what's coming up.
Hopefully they'll 'take note' (pardon the pun) for Note 6!
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Lets wait until Unpacked before the "Samsung is going down/doomed/Note 5 sucks etc..." parade.
People posting around here like they have already used a Note 5 when we do not know the final spec yet and what else it may bring.

POLO_i780 said:
Lets wait until Unpacked before the "Samsung is going down/doomed/Note 5 sucks etc..." parade.
People posting around here like they have already used a Note 5 when we do not know the final spec yet and what else it may bring.
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Not sure under which rock you live but it has been raining and Samsung's roof is leaking. We already know that it's going to be using a 1440p screen, 4Gb DDR4 ram, Exynos 7422 SoC, same camera as the S6, and the same NAND as well. The only "new" thing they are going to introduce has something to do with audio quality. So no sd-card nor swappable battery. Note 5 is also going to be sporting the same ****ty touchwiz version as the S6/S6 Edge, that is even more flawed than the version for the Note 4 considering it is running on better hardware yet somehow performs worse.

Toss3 said:
Not sure under which rock you live but it has been raining and Samsung's roof is leaking. We already know that it's going to be using a 1440p screen, 4Gb DDR4 ram, Exynos 7422 SoC, same camera as the S6, and the same NAND as well. The only "new" thing they are going to introduce has something to do with audio quality. So no sd-card nor swappable battery. Note 5 is also going to be sporting the same ****ty touchwiz version as the S6/S6 Edge, that is even more flawed than the version for the Note 4 considering it is running on better hardware yet somehow performs worse.
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No I haven't, but calling a phone that you have not used yet ****ty and so on is not exactly smart. The specs don't tell the whole story and it may have many improvements over the S6 and Edge in its TW by the time it gets released.
Unless you have played with a fully functional retail unit of the Note 5, I'd suggest reserving judgement.
Like I said, people acting like they have already used a Note 5 without knowing everything about it. A lot can be changed between now and release, especially in terms of software.

POLO_i780 said:
No I haven't, but calling a phone that you have not used yet ****ty and so on is not exactly smart. The specs don't tell the whole story and it may have many improvements over the S6 and Edge in its TW by the time it gets released.
Unless you have played with a fully functional retail unit of the Note 5, I'd suggest reserving judgement.
Like I said, people acting like they have already used a Note 5 without knowing everything about it. A lot can be changed between now and release, especially in terms of software.
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There are leaks everywhere and even if the software is improved it's not going to matter considering android m is launching later this year, as the note 5 won't get the update until much later. The S7 is going to sport Samsung custom core SoC so support for the note 5 is going to be even shorter (note 6 being a larger version of the s7). Oh I also forgot to mention that the note 5 is going to have a SMALLER battery than the Note 4 (3000mAh) and no IR blaster.
I'd wager the note 5 is going to be Samsung worst selling galaxy device ever.

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There are leaks everywhere and even if the software is improved it's not going to matter considering android m is launching later this year, as the note 5 won't get the update until much later. The S7 is going to sport Samsung custom core SoC so support for the note 5 is going to be even shorter (note 6 being a larger version of the s7). Oh I also forgot to mention that the note 5 is going to have a SMALLER battery than the Note 4 (3000mAh) and no IR blaster.
I'd wager the note 5 is going to be Samsung worst selling galaxy device ever.
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Well if the rumours are correct and the Note 5 has a limited release, then yes it will not sell the way others have, that is pretty obvious.
Oh wow, speaking of Note 6 already, you and I do not know how the mobile industry will be next year, Samsung may just have to change direction with the Note 6, maybe even make a diff. variant of it as they did Note Edge. Again, a few specs do not tell the story.
We are in 2015, yet people are as closed minded as they were decades ago.

POLO_i780 said:
Well if the rumours are correct and the Note 5 has a limited release, then yes it will not sell the way others have, that is pretty obvious.
Oh wow, speaking of Note 6 already, you and I do not know how the mobile industry will be next year, Samsung may just have to change direction with the Note 6, maybe even make a diff. variant of it as they did Note Edge. Again, a few specs do not tell the story.
We are in 2015, yet people are as closed minded as they were decades ago.
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I dont think its close mindedness, but more like a major letdown to the fans of the Note series.
Aside from the s pen, folks loved the note for its flexibility in storage, and its ease of using it for days with spare batteries and such. Sure the giant screen was part of it, but those other things turned out to be important parts of what made the note series such a "cult" hit..
Now, with alot of those things disappearing, its easy to understand why so many folks are going to abandon the Note series.
It doesnt mean they are closed minded, they are just upset that some of the major features that kept them coming back to the Note series wont be there any more.
And you cant blame people for that..

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I dont think its close mindedness, but more like a major letdown to the fans of the Note series.
Aside from the s pen, folks loved the note for its flexibility in storage, and its ease of using it for days with spare batteries and such. Sure the giant screen was part of it, but those other things turned out to be important parts of what made the note series such a "cult" hit..
Now, with alot of those things disappearing, its easy to understand why so many folks are going to abandon the Note series.
It doesnt mean they are closed minded, they are just upset that some of the major features that kept them coming back to the Note series wont be there any more.
And you cant blame people for that..
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There are now cases that can bring MicroSD support and so on, but I say lets wait and see what happens at Unpacked.
These rumours have gone up and down, 1st it had a 4100mAh battery and now its 3000mAh, some report Exynos 7422 and others 7420, but I guess the 7422 will be international and 7420 will be USA. Some report the Dual Sim variant will have a MicroSD slot yet the S6 Duos never had a MicroSD slot, and then there's the software which can be subject to major change between now and release.
What I am saying is, leave your mind open up until Unpacked. I remember last year when everyone was convinced we would get a Galaxy S5 Prime with metal build, instead we got a Note Edge.
EDIT:
Another rumour
https://www.thegioididong.com/tin-tuc/thong-so-ky-thuat-cua-galaxy-note-5-va-s6-edge-plus-681235
Claiming:
4100mAh battery
32GB internal with MicroSD support
AND IR Blaster
LOL, Unpacked must just come and put and end to this madness.

Losing the SD card and replaceable battery is bad enough IMO
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Toss3 said:
There are leaks everywhere and even if the software is improved it's not going to matter considering android m is launching later this year, as the note 5 won't get the update until much later. The S7 is going to sport Samsung custom core SoC so support for the note 5 is going to be even shorter (note 6 being a larger version of the s7). Oh I also forgot to mention that the note 5 is going to have a SMALLER battery than the Note 4 (3000mAh) and no IR blaster.
I'd wager the note 5 is going to be Samsung worst selling galaxy device ever.
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You said the Note 5 was going to have a smaller battery than the Note 4, at 3000mAh, yet as is typical of rumors, they conflict, I up you one with a very recent image of a Note 5 retail box that claims 4100mAh battery:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Is-this-the-box-for-the-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-5_id72423
This is my problem with prejudging before a phone is even announced, I am still unsure what to believe. You had already made your mind up that it is a 3000mAh battery, due to another rumor. There have been multiple rumors that claim either 3000mAh or 4100mAh, and I also posted a link of a spec sheet which claimed IR Blaster, but another rumor claimed no IR Blaster, and we are not even sure if the Note 5 images we have been seeing are not early prototypes.
I cannot understand how people can draw a conclusion based solely on rumors. One thing it does do is keep the stock market an interesting place though, I've made and lost money due to rumors, lol.

Well, I don't think going from the sd805 to the exynos 7420/7422 is a minor upgrade (considering how fast the s6 with it is)

So much hate for a device not yet released. If you don't like it don't buy it, simple as....

POLO_i780 said:
You said the Note 5 was going to have a smaller battery than the Note 4, at 3000mAh, yet as is typical of rumors, they conflict, I up you one with a very recent image of a Note 5 retail box that claims 4100mAh battery:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Is-this-the-box-for-the-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-5_id72423
This is my problem with prejudging before a phone is even announced, I am still unsure what to believe. You had already made your mind up that it is a 3000mAh battery, due to another rumor. There have been multiple rumors that claim either 3000mAh or 4100mAh, and I also posted a link of a spec sheet which claimed IR Blaster, but another rumor claimed no IR Blaster, and we are not even sure if the Note 5 images we have been seeing are not early prototypes.
I cannot understand how people can draw a conclusion based solely on rumors. One thing it does do is keep the stock market an interesting place though, I've made and lost money due to rumors, lol.
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Well the 3000mAh was a bit of a stretch even for samsung, but that doesn't mean the Note 5 is going to be anything but a large S6. My issue though with samsung has nothing to do with the hardware, but with how Samsung treats their customers; I know that they don't guarantee any updates, but they should have figured out by now that people always want the latest updates along with the latest interface (that's why people keep buying iPhones). It's just a shame to see samsung making the same mistakes over and over again letting Apple walk all over them (Android as a whole suffers). Wish Samsung would seize making cheap low-end devices and just keep their previous gen models as the mid- and low-end phones, in order to be able to keep up with updating every model to the latest android and touchwiz versions.

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Well the 3000mAh was a bit of a stretch even for samsung, but that doesn't mean the Note 5 is going to be anything but a large S6. My issue though with samsung has nothing to do with the hardware, but with how Samsung treats their customers; I know that they don't guarantee any updates, but they should have figured out by now that people always want the latest updates along with the latest interface (that's why people keep buying iPhones). It's just a shame to see samsung making the same mistakes over and over again letting Apple walk all over them (Android as a whole suffers). Wish Samsung would seize making cheap low-end devices and just keep their previous gen models as the mid- and low-end phones, in order to be able to keep up with updating every model to the latest android and touchwiz versions.
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You see now there I full agree with you, 100%!
And from what I am seeing, they have become worse than before, we are still waiting for 5.1.1 and now there is a huge vulnerability found yet they continue to drag their feet. It is very frustrating and it has had me wondering if I could live with an iPhone 6S Plus, but I like Android and thoroughly enjoy its versatility.
Its a tough one, it makes me wonder why manufacturers can't just make their skins downloadable or separate them from the core of the OS and allow Google to issue the Android Updates to us, then they (the manufacturers) can do their skin updates at their own pace. Would make a lot more sense.

POLO_i780 said:
You see now there I full agree with you, 100%!
And from what I am seeing, they have become worse than before, we are still waiting for 5.1.1 and now there is a huge vulnerability found yet they continue to drag their feet. It is very frustrating and it has had me wondering if I could live with an iPhone 6S Plus, but I like Android and thoroughly enjoy its versatility.
Its a tough one, it makes me wonder why manufacturers can't just make their skins downloadable or separate them from the core of the OS and allow Google to issue the Android Updates to us, then they (the manufacturers) can do their skin updates at their own pace. Would make a lot more sense.
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I'm not desperate enough to consider an apple device, especially now that Samsung has committed themselves to frequent security-updates. Would like to see every Samsung phone updated simultaneously, but as there are 1000000 different models that's just not possible.
Google handling the updates would indeed be ideal, but touchwiz uses it's own framework so it's more than just a custom skin.

Toss3 said:
I'm not desperate enough to consider an apple device, especially now that Samsung has committed themselves to frequent security-updates. Would like to see every Samsung phone updated simultaneously, but as there are 1000000 different models that's just not possible.
Google handling the updates would indeed be ideal, but touchwiz uses it's own framework so it's more than just a custom skin.
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Can't have it all I guess.
I am a fan of TouchWiz (one of very few it seems), all I would like is faster and more consistent updates.
Their commitment to monthly security updates will be interesting to see.

http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-note-5-fully-exposed-632450/

Even if the phone does pack a punch, the lack of note key features means it doesn't offer anything to make me spend oodles on a note 5.
Samsungs path is to follow what apple are doing rather than be innovative and provide somethings its customers want. Note customers are more picky than s6 users (we also spend a darn sight more on it), which is why the note 5 (a fat s6 with a pen) will fail to increase samsungs profits - I defy anyone to argue against this.
There are so many good phones in the near pipeline - if you don't need the pen (which although is nice to have its not imperative for me), there is the hugely competitively priced Moto x, the upcoming Nexus 7, the top spec (rumoured) LG G4 Pro, to name just a few.
In Samsungs plight be like apple, they've forgotten the key thing - what its customers want. Here is a lesson in ensuring you do market research!
Yes inbuilt memory is fine if you have a truly reliable high speed data connection everywhere, and the ability to charge the thing in every coffee shop, but for those of us who don't live next to a 4g mast/wifi hotspot and want to drag around a power pack, the lack of these 2 features alone make the note 5 an impossible buy - at least for the price Samsung will want to charge.
....and that's before we even talk about the speed to deploy critical updates!

bonerp said:
Even if the phone does pack a punch, the lack of note key features means it doesn't offer anything to make me spend oodles on a note 5.
Samsungs path is to follow what apple are doing rather than be innovative and provide somethings its customers want. Note customers are more picky than s6 users (we also spend a darn sight more on it), which is why the note 5 (a fat s6 with a pen) will fail to increase samsungs profits - I defy anyone to argue against this.
There are so many good phones in the near pipeline - if you don't need the pen (which although is nice to have its not imperative for me), there is the hugely competitively priced Moto x, the upcoming Nexus 7, the top spec (rumoured) LG G4 Pro, to name just a few.
In Samsungs plight be like apple, they've forgotten the key thing - what its customers want. Here is a lesson in ensuring you do market research!
Yes inbuilt memory is fine if you have a truly reliable high speed data connection everywhere, and the ability to charge the thing in every coffee shop, but for those of us who don't live next to a 4g mast/wifi hotspot and want to drag around a power pack, the lack of these 2 features alone make the note 5 an impossible buy - at least for the price Samsung will want to charge.
....and that's before we even talk about the speed to deploy critical updates!
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Not one to defend Google normally, but that's the reason i went back to my nexus 6. Yes its not half as sharp, camera is a step below, but its got no issues with security and it does not get shunted aside a few months after purchase.

Toss3 said:
Well the 3000mAh was a bit of a stretch even for samsung, but that doesn't mean the Note 5 is going to be anything but a large S6. My issue though with samsung has nothing to do with the hardware, but with how Samsung treats their customers; I know that they don't guarantee any updates, but they should have figured out by now that people always want the latest updates along with the latest interface (that's why people keep buying iPhones). It's just a shame to see samsung making the same mistakes over and over again letting Apple walk all over them (Android as a whole suffers). Wish Samsung would seize making cheap low-end devices and just keep their previous gen models as the mid- and low-end phones, in order to be able to keep up with updating every model to the latest android and touchwiz versions.
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All the Note series have been larger versions of their S series siblings. So it's no surprise that the Note 5 will be a large S6.
I do agree though that Samsung have an appalling customer service and public relations reputation and it pains me to say they could learn a thing or two from Apple sadly.
They came up with the S6 as a ground-zero project to satisfy the critics ... read that as journalists. Tech journalists have always favoured Apple products with a few Android blogger exceptions. So we end up with the S6 looking like an iPhone clone. The "oohs and ahhs" of those journalists was great for Samsung but they were short lived as soon as another new phone showed up. What Samsung should be doing is surveying current Samsung customers and asking them what they really want from a phone. Doing proper market research and lining that up with what they can technically, financially and feasibly manufacture without it costing the consumer stupid money, will be a winner for them.
I agree that we should not completely judge the Note 5 before it's officially launched but I think we have a good enough idea to form a relatively good opinion of it. I owned every Note since its birth and I have to say this is the first time I have hesitated about upgrading to the next gen version. I guess we will have to wait and see.