Galaxy S5 Active -- I feel betrayed - Galaxy S 5 General

How do you feel about upcoming S5 Active with better build quality, bigger screen, more sensors and quite 2x cheaper? It's just 25 days since start of S5 sales when they sold 10 mln devices, and now they are going to launch Active in July. I feel angry with Samsung for such misleading marketing.

It's a statistical fact that every time a phone is made another is made after. If this disappoints you id stick to Morse code or maybe those cans with string.
I buy my phone based on what i want at the time didn't you do the same? It's a buyers market and it's not going to stay still just because you want the latest

waz000000 said:
It's a statistical fact that every time a phone is made another is made after. If this disappoints you id stick to Morse code or maybe those cans with string.
I buy my phone based on what i want at the time didn't you do the same? It's a buyers market and it's not going to stay still just because you want the latest
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Galaxy S series phones were positioned as a flagship series. And Active phones were a bit of "S Lite", they shared the name "S", had weaker CPU/GPU @ less MHz, less Mpix, cheaper display, nevertheless the price was quite the same compated to S-parent..
Now they make a phone with almost indentical hardware excepting the Snapdragon 800 instead of 801, better screen, better body and gonna sell it below $600 compared to my S5's price of $850!
When I buy a flagship, I'd like to own a flagship for a year or so, not for a couple of months. And yes, this is also a question of money and vanity.

I will bet you it isn't gonna be half the cost of an S5. Even if gsmarena says so.
And a successor to the S4 Active was bound to happen, so if you really wanted it you could have waited.
I don't see how it's misleading if they keep their mouth shut...I don't recall them denying an S5 Active.

The phone is ugly as hell and bulky. Please, don't cry.

OP I have a solution for you, but you feel free to rant/express your betrayal via those Social Sites. But the solution is SWAPPA
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[Q] Note becomes cheaper and cheaper. WHY?

This is definitely a FANTASTIC device in the market as of today. But I wonder why samsung reduced its price sooooo much?
Its just a little higher than s2 so obviously people will opt for Note than s2 (if size doesn't matter to them).
But where is the catch? I mean why they suddenly reduced Note's price THAT MUCH? From 800+ US dollars to 500+? Isn't that "to good to be true" deal?
I wonder what's samsung motive behind reducing Note's price.
a) Have they started making models with cheaper material now to fit in the latter price?
b) They reduced the price to justify their huge predicted target sales for Note?
c) Wanted people to stop buying s2 so that Note can get the lime light?
d) Reduced price so that people go for Note and by the time when enough sales have been made, they will lauch s3.
Marketing strategy. I went to buy S2 but there was lil difference in price so I bought Note, don't regret it.
When S3 is released Nexus, Note and S2 will be even cheaper.
Boy124 said:
Marketing strategy. I went to buy S2 but there was lil difference in price so I bought Note, don't regret it.
When S3 is released Nexus, Note and S2 will be even cheaper.
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Hmm. Point no. C.
samsung wants the note to be competitive with the quad cores.
Its just because its getting older, it will just keep going down in price now until they stop making them.
You actually have no idea WHO has reduced the price... you make an assumption that it is Samsung.. but it is just that, an assumption.
I would expect that the phones are somewhat cheaper to manufacturer now, given that there has been 8 months for yield improvement, but there is no evidence or reason for this itself to be reflected in the asp (average selling price).. Samsung should, if they at all possibly can, use any yield enhancement cost benefits to boost their margin, not support lower wholesale prices.
Resellers are in business to make money, and the general nature of value items like the Note is to milk the market at the highest price possible, then gradually reduce the price as interest falls to keep the sales volume high on a weekly/monthly basis .. ultimately, the low price is set by wholesale + minimum margin...
So, the pricing curve of the Note is highly typical of most other consumer devices like phones selling in high volume.
filthykid said:
This is definitely a FANTASTIC device in the market as of today. But I wonder why samsung reduced its price sooooo much?
Its just a little higher than s2 so obviously people will opt for Note than s2 (if size doesn't matter to them).
But where is the catch? I mean why they suddenly reduced Note's price THAT MUCH? From 800+ US dollars to 500+? Isn't that "to good to be true" deal?
I wonder what's samsung motive behind reducing Note's price.
a) Have they started making models with cheaper material now to fit in the latter price?
b) They reduced the price to justify their huge predicted target sales for Note?
c) Wanted people to stop buying s2 so that Note can get the lime light?
d) Reduced price so that people go for Note and by the time when enough sales have been made, they will lauch s3.
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Yeah, from the time when i bought it for like 580$ (which is quite cheap at that time) and now it is like around 530... It was just more than a month, a little bit quickly but i accept that fact, and will not regret that
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samsung wants the note to be competitive with the quad cores.
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But is Note competitive enough to compete with the incoming Quad Core phones?
Simple: Product Cycle Theory
First level was attracting the "I must have it quickly cause its the latest technology" type of costumers with heavy advertising program. They sold enough to this type of consumers with high prices. Advertising and R&D costs have been gained by these costumers. Then they realized that sells are getting slower. Second level started. With lower prices attracting leftover costumers. They dont have to put high prices cause they already gained R&D costs. With low production costs (New Average Cost= Average Total Cost - Average R&D Cost - Average Ads Cost) profits are coming again with increased sales. They will release Quadcore SGS3 soon and a new product cycle will begin. After a while SGN will pass to third level "downfall" Sorry for this boring information I couldnt stop myself
I have master degree in marketing
everything drops, new tech comes out making the older stuff, like the note go down in value to be able to compete in the market
I think smart money is on a note 2 or note plus being announced soon and they're vacating the price point that the new note will occupy.
filthykid said:
But is Note competitive enough to compete with the incoming Quad Core phones?
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good question
was £515 when I bought it, over 6 months ago. Is now £410 from the same site. seems normal amount of price drop to me.
Simple laws of supply and demand
Simple economics 101...supply and demand. It was a way overpriced phone to begin with. The actually technology that went into this phone probably costs no more than 200-250 dollars to manufacture. It originally sold at nearly 900 dollars. That's what...a 400% mark up? Outrageous.
Geekybiker said:
I think smart money is on a note 2 or note plus being announced soon and they're vacating the price point that the new note will occupy.
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I doubt they would be launching Note 2 anywhere soon.
i paid $880AU for my note in november last year.
now i can pick one up for $510AU.
htc have a quad core phone for around $570 for the same site, so no one would ever buy a note if it cost more than the htc one x.
plus, samsung announced the s3 in 2 days time.
Souai said:
i paid $880AU for my note in november last year.
now i can pick one up for $510AU.
htc have a quad core phone for around $570 for the same site, so no one would ever buy a note if it cost more than the htc one x.
plus, samsung announced the s3 in 2 days time.
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Although Samsung has tried its best to create a new category (Phablet) by bringing NOTE into the market. But still people will compare it with current available mobile phones in market to build their decision for a purchase. This will only change once more phablets start entering the market from competition, only then can the comparison between phablets start.
Newegg has it right now for $499, or a bundle with a BT headset for $515 and a $20 MIR.
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Newegg has it right now for $499, or a bundle with a BT headset for $515 and a $20 MIR.
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What's the procdeure to purchase goods from Newegg?
And how do one pays? as in, online or Cash-on-delivery?
If you are paying online and upon delivery the product turns out to be faulty or not good.. What to do then? Replace?
As with on delivery, you have upper hand that if the product didnt turn out to be good or the one you ordered.. you can easily refuse to accept it.

[Q] Looking for Note 3 Comparable China phone

I'm looking for a comparable china phone. I looked on multiple sites but I can't find a note3 clone with 4g. Maybe I am looking wrong. The clones look very nice, especially at the price they are going for. But I want 4g. I'm on straight talk right now, so it has to be at&t compatible. I really don't want to go any smaller than 5.7 screen size either since I have (and love) the note 2 right now.
Does anyone know if there is a nice note3 clone out there with 4g capabilities on the AT&T network?
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I'm looking for a comparable china phone. I looked on multiple sites but I can't find a note3 clone with 4g. Maybe I am looking wrong. The clones look very nice, especially at the price they are going for. But I want 4g. I'm on straight talk right now, so it has to be at&t compatible. I really don't want to go any smaller than 5.7 screen size either since I have (and love) the note 2 right now.
Does anyone know if there is a nice note3 clone out there with 4g capabilities on the AT&T network?
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Answered my own question. Check it out.
http://www.chinaecarts.com/samsung-...ore-20ghz-13mp-camera-32gb-4g-lte-p-3934.html
it's a clone with 8 cores, 3 gig of ram, and 4g capable in the us.
sweet.
Hey let me know when you get it. I'm interested in getting one but I don't want to be scammed by a damn Chinese site.
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Jammol said:
Hey let me know when you get it. I'm interested in getting one but I don't want to be scammed by a damn Chinese site.
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Took a longer look at it. Looks like an extreme scam. He wrote in an email to me that he cannot do paypal because they "do not allow clones" and would "freeze his account". He also states that the only way to order from him is to send western union or wire transfer. The wire transfer option states "do not put an order number anywhere on the transfer or it will get denied by his bank. And obviously everyone knows western union should never be used for any transactions because it is so unsafe. Now... Why would a reputable company say all that? Paypal in fact does not care what you sell since they just handle money. Wire transfers with no order number on them simply makes it easier for them to say you sent it of your own free will and they don't owe you anything. Seems scammish to me.
The other thing is that the new MTK6592 (octacore) with 4g LTE capability just came out this month. According to every other site that I have searched, no 4g LTE version of MTK6592 will be available in a phone until, at the earliest, after the chinese new year (starts jan 31). So again... scammish. I have read reviews about people who got phones from them, but they didnt get what they were told, and that they were scammed out of money. I don't have 350 to risk on a possible scam. I will likely not be waiting for the 4g china phones to come out. The goophone v92 pro is one, the THL monkey king 2 is another. There are likely going to be a lot more soon, but those are two that are being presold now. There are a ton of other phones out there though that get H+ in the us and look great. Elephone p8 being one that is comparable size to the note 3 (5.8 inches and 27k on antutu). There is also a really nice 6.5 inch one called inew i6000+ which I like. Both are at or under 300$ which is a far cry less than the 500 for a note 3. As long as you don't mind the wait, china products are awesome. I've bought and will buy them again. Just get a site that accepts paypal so there is protection on your end. www.pandawill.com is always good, thought they take 2-10 business days to ship usually and then however long it takes to get over seas. There are a ton of china sites that actually work though if you search. PAYPAL ONLY THOUGH!
for $400 US might as well get a legit real one.
I picked up my note 3 brand new in the box with a reciept and a bill of sale from cratgilist for $420. Do you really want to go through all of that and use a fake version of the phone with no warranty to save $70?
seh6183 said:
I picked up my note 3 brand new in the box with a reciept and a bill of sale from cratgilist for $420. Do you really want to go through all of that and use a fake version of the phone with no warranty to save $70?
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Well the idea is actually to get a better phone than the note 3. The note 3 is only quad core. The ones I'm looking at are octa core. Front camera is also 5 mp vs 2 mp of note 3. Then you have screen size. I'm looking at the 6.5. Either way its choice. I may end up just going with the legit note 3 but likely I will just get the new 4g LTE octa core from China because I want 8 cores. Performance wise I know the note 3 scores better antutu but its not all about graphics. I want a phone that is everything I want not just some.
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Well the idea is actually to get a better phone than the note 3. The note 3 is only quad core. The ones I'm looking at are octa core. Front camera is also 5 mp vs 2 mp of note 3. Then you have screen size. I'm looking at the 6.5. Either way its choice. I may end up just going with the legit note 3 but likely I will just get the new 4g LTE octa core from China because I want 8 cores. Performance wise I know the note 3 scores better antutu but its not all about graphics. I want a phone that is everything I want not just some.
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You don't understand what you're getting yourself into.
The Chinese knock offs don't have gorilla glass and will scratch easily. There is no oleophobic coating on the screen and it will be covered in fingerprints immediately and be hard to wipe off without alcohol. The materials on the entire body of the phone are cheap plastic rather than polycarbonate. It will crack much easier and the paint will chip off.
The ram and all of the components are going to be the cheapest possible components on the market so memory failures are very likely. And with no warranty you'll be out of luck. There's no waccom digitizer so 90% of the s pen features will not even work. The speaker phone probably sounds horrible. And you can expect many aspects of touchwiz to not work at all such as smart stay and probably the gyroscope.
Good luck.
**Also you say the note 3 is ONLY quad core lol Are you aware that Samsung makes an octa core version as well? Are you aware that the quad core version scores higher on Antutu X AND is immensely more battery efficient?**
seh6183 said:
You don't understand what you're getting yourself into.
The Chinese knock offs don't have gorilla glass and will scratch easily. There is no oleophobic coating on the screen and it will be covered in fingerprints immediately and be hard to wipe off without alcohol. The materials on the entire body of the phone are cheap plastic rather than polycarbonate. It will crack much easier and the paint will chip off.
The ram and all of the components are going to be the cheapest possible components on the market so memory failures are very likely. And with no warranty you'll be out of luck. There's no waccom digitizer so 90% of the s pen features will not even work. The speaker phone probably sounds horrible. And you can expect many aspects of touchwiz to not work at all such as smart stay and probably the gyroscope.
Good luck.
**Also you say the note 3 is ONLY quad core lol Are you aware that Samsung makes an octa core version as well? Are you aware that the quad core version scores higher on Antutu X AND is immensely more battery efficient?**
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As i mentioned before i kow it scored a better antutu score than the ones im looking at. 35k vs 27k and im sure it is battery efficient. But when i research i find the octa core note 3 is not even activated to be octa core because of a heat package issue. So note 3 will never truly be octa core.
I do know that they make the phones cheaper. But when i buy a phone the first thing i do is case it and put a screen protector on it. So those issues are minor to me. When it comes down to it america charges for names. We all know this and we keep spending the money. There are times where i would only want the american version of things, but i have had china tablets and i am pretty happy with them. I dont mind lower quality materials sometimes because they are worth it. You can not get some of the phones you can get in china models, and the phones tend to have more power than their american counterparts.
performance boost on poor quality materials negates it. i suggest you stick with the legit one.
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As i mentioned before i kow it scored a better antutu score than the ones im looking at. 35k vs 27k and im sure it is battery efficient. But when i research i find the octa core note 3 is not even activated to be octa core because of a heat package issue. So note 3 will never truly be octa core.
I do know that they make the phones cheaper. But when i buy a phone the first thing i do is case it and put a screen protector on it. So those issues are minor to me. When it comes down to it america charges for names. We all know this and we keep spending the money. There are times where i would only want the american version of things, but i have had china tablets and i am pretty happy with them. I dont mind lower quality materials sometimes because they are worth it. You can not get some of the phones you can get in china models, and the phones tend to have more power than their american counterparts.
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I wish you luck in your future endeavours.
billaboy25 said:
performance boost on poor quality materials negates it. i suggest you stick with the legit one.
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There is no legit phone of the model that I am looking at. I have not been looking at the note 3 clone at all. I was momentarily looking at it because I thought it was the same thing. Now I am looking at other chinese phones that are not made in America. The phones are reputable manufacturers that have millions of buyers. I am not looking at clones because I don't think it makes sense to get a clone. I suggest you take a look at the chinese brands out there, they have a huge following. ZOPO t1000 looks really nice but it's not out yet. Just because something isn't made for america doesnt make it bad. In fact, a lot of the phones made outside of the US are amazing. Either way, I ended up finding a really cheap note 3 and scooped it so all this is moot. But I will definitely be looking a lot harder at the chinese brand phones now that they are going to be offering 4g on them. I do suggest you take a harder look though, you are very biased against them, and they really aren't as bad as you make them out to be. In most cases people would be very happy with a cheaper foreign make phone instead of the overpriced overbloated crap that american consumers are used to. For the same technology they charge less. China is all open source, they really are ahead of the curve on phones if you really look at it. You can actually get the "foreign" make phones that are the same brands we get in the US, but they are VASTLY different. The dual sim note 2 is just one example. Take a look at them, you likely will be happy with at least one of em if you let yourself be.
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As i mentioned before i kow it scored a better antutu score than the ones im looking at. 35k vs 27k and im sure it is battery efficient. But when i research i find the octa core note 3 is not even activated to be octa core because of a heat package issue. So note 3 will never truly be octa core.
I do know that they make the phones cheaper. But when i buy a phone the first thing i do is case it and put a screen protector on it. So those issues are minor to me. When it comes down to it america charges for names. We all know this and we keep spending the money. There are times where i would only want the american version of things, but i have had china tablets and i am pretty happy with them. I dont mind lower quality materials sometimes because they are worth it. You can not get some of the phones you can get in china models, and the phones tend to have more power than their american counterparts.
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..You do realize a lot of people from many countries come to America to buy things because it's cheaper here right? Canadians especially.
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..You do realize a lot of people from many countries come to America to buy things because it's cheaper here right? Canadians especially.
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I guess I'll agree to disagree. You seem set against foreign phones for some reason. Personally I think american products are overpriced and have inferior components to what they COULD put in there. It's all a game in america. Money over everything else. This is why we see all the locked devices and locked firmware, and everything else they do to keep their products theirs alone. All these things are unheard of other places. We are the capitol of control. I am not saying that every foreign phone is a winner, but there are many amazing devices. Most american devices are crap, that's fact, so it's really not much different. And with all the advances they have because it's open source, I think they will eventually surpass america in all areas. Till then, I guess everyone will just hate foreign stuff!
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I guess I'll agree to disagree. You seem set against foreign phones for some reason. Personally I think american products are overpriced and have inferior components to what they COULD put in there. It's all a game in america. Money over everything else. This is why we see all the locked devices and locked firmware, and everything else they do to keep their products theirs alone. All these things are unheard of other places. We are the capitol of control. I am not saying that every foreign phone is a winner, but there are many amazing devices. Most american devices are crap, that's fact, so it's really not much different. And with all the advances they have because it's open source, I think they will eventually surpass america in all areas. Till then, I guess everyone will just hate foreign stuff!
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Capitol of control? And China isnt? LMAO You keep referring to AMERICAN phones. You realize Samsung is a Korean manufacturer right? Lol The locked bootloaders come from the wireless carriers in the US, NOT the phone manufacturers. And Chinese stuff sucks plane and simple. They clone everything and sell bogus products. Are you telling me you would buy a car from china? It would be made out of cardboard LOL
And when you buy an imported phone you will have zero warranty. I can't believe you would even be okay with that part alone. Show me one CHINESE MADE, not a Chinese variant of a Korean phone such as a note 2 that is sold in china, a Chinese phone like ZTE or oppo, that has a better spec sheet and build quality than one of the major brands sold in america.
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Capitol of control? And China isnt? LMAO You keep referring to AMERICAN phones. You realize Samsung is a Korean manufacturer right? Lol The locked bootloaders come from the wireless carriers in the US, NOT the phone manufacturers. And Chinese stuff sucks plane and simple. They clone everything and sell bogus products. Are you telling me you would buy a car from china? It would be made out of cardboard LOL
And when you buy an imported phone you will have zero warranty. I can't believe you would even be okay with that part alone. Show me one CHINESE MADE, not a Chinese variant of a Korean phone such as a note 2 that is sold in china, a Chinese phone like ZTE or oppo, that has a better spec sheet and build quality than one of the major brands sold in america.
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Again, I am not saying they are all better. American phones, and I mean american CARRIED phones, are in general garbage. The new Zoppo t1000 has great specs if you look at them. The only phones that really are better in america are the flagship devices. I would never buy an american phone that was not a flagship. I would however buy a lot of the various chinese phones. As far as the warranty... I don't really care about warranty guarantees. I've never even used one, and I get all my phones second hand anyways. No warranty there. Either way, it's preference, you just don't like non american phones. I don't really care where they come from.

Speculation....Tab S to be dropped when Android L launched?

I haven't read this anywhere, it's just my own personal view based on Samsungs previous behaviour.
While the Tab S seems to be a great piece of kit it looks to me like sales haven't been great (tracking numerous used sales sites they do not sell particularly quickly, I've even seen units listed for 3+ weeks - and I know the unit is still available because I've e-mailed the sellers).
Given Samsung abandoned the PRO series pretty quickly for poor sales how many people think Samsung may use the opportunity of the launch of Android L (speculated for this month) to abandon the S series and launch a new 'latest greatest' version to replace it?
The fact that so many markets don't have 'official' 32GB units shows the amount of product in the channel that hasn't sold through yet.
Thoughts?
I think they made a mistake limiting 32gb sales to BestBuy. They could have sold a lot more than they have if it wasn't.
But, I see us getting an update to "L". That might be it though.
There's actualy a new version called Tab S Slate with updated cpu and lte-a
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There's actualy a new version called Tab S Slate with updated cpu and lte-a
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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_s_slate_with_ltea_tipped_to_launch_in_korea-news-9828.php
Ouch.......
All your Tab S they belong to me!!!!
Actually, Korea has better version of S5 cell phone too, but it does not mean that general S5 won't get an update. Same is here I think. Samsung has strange policy with tablets - they make it with older hardware than current smartphones have! But anyway, even Galaxy Note 8, that had old hardware for it's time, got 4.4 and Tab S will get L I think. About 32 GB. I have not seen any of Samsung 32GB models here in Russia for most of the devices. It's always was just 16 GB
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I have not seen any of Samsung 32GB models here in Russia for most of the devices. It's always was just 16 GB
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Same here in Germany, it is mostly the base configuration that is available. The higher memory variants either never show off, a year latter at some random online retailers or are at the most a one provider exclusive thing released three months later.
OK i cant take it LOL i bought the Pro 10.1 then 4 months later the S 10.5 and with days picked the S over the 10.1 for so many reasons not even including the screen.
just kidding though as i am not one to yell about why there are new ones and regret my purchases. i actually enjoy the new stuff and expect it. when the new stuff offers enough for me to upgrade i move.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_s_slate_with_ltea_tipped_to_launch_in_korea-news-9828.php
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All your Tab S they belong to me!!!!
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This is an interesting article on the version of the Exynos Chipset rumoured to be in the Tab S Slate......it supports 64 Bit
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-note-exynos-snapdragon-armv8,27688.html
Now that WOULD be a killer upgrade.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_s_slate_with_ltea_tipped_to_launch_in_korea-news-9828.php
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I hope that the pricing difference is not that much
pinsb said:
I haven't read this anywhere, it's just my own personal view based on Samsungs previous behaviour.
While the Tab S seems to be a great piece of kit it looks to me like sales haven't been great (tracking numerous used sales sites they do not sell particularly quickly, I've even seen units listed for 3+ weeks - and I know the unit is still available because I've e-mailed the sellers).
Given Samsung abandoned the PRO series pretty quickly for poor sales how many people think Samsung may use the opportunity of the launch of Android L (speculated for this month) to abandon the S series and launch a new 'latest greatest' version to replace it?
The fact that so many markets don't have 'official' 32GB units shows the amount of product in the channel that hasn't sold through yet.
Thoughts?
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Sorry. I find this mildly absurd. In recent years, Samsung has a good track record of updating all of their flagship products, even if it does take a while. If this were a midrange or budget product, I'd totally agree with you. Samsung doesn't update it's budget products. In this case, though, I think you're way off base. If the Galaxy Note 8.0 and original 2012 Galaxy Note 10.1 (both crap sellers) got KitKat, the Tab S line will get L. This isn't even a question in my mind.
I never said the Tab S wouldn't get Android L, I said that they would abandon it and launch a new replacement........Samsung did this with the P6800 a few years back, did one subsequent software update then nothing.
Also this will likely force Samsung to have to start to rationalise some of their product offerings and instead concentrate their resources on a smaller range IMHO.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29516806
This is their flagship product in the tablet line. Not even remotely going to happen. Worse. Thread. Ever.
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Here is why it will get L. Samsung typically supports new products with occasional updates for 18 to 24 months, and L is just around the corner, and M is coming not so long after. My S2 came with Gingerbread, and Samsung gave it ICS and JB (I took it to KK 4.4.4). I have no doubt, L will be backward-compatible with non-64 bit hardware. The overall installed base for Android and the number of recent Samsung devices out there is too prodigious. Whether our Tab Ss get official M and beyond its the question.
You could go crazy the way Samsung dribbles products into the market. They have too many products overlapping when less, done with latest specs, would do just fine. All this crazy overdevelopment is one reason they have financial problems. It causes consumer confusion, market chaos, and makes updates a crapshoot. So what are you going to do? Keep holding your breath for Samsung to wake up, rationally anticipate the future, and deliver what you think is the perfect device for you? You'll lose your mind. In the end, when I was ready to buy a tablet, I was just ready. My eyes were open about the situation, so I rolled the dice and bought as best I could - in this case, Samsung - knowing my top of the line tablet was already about to be an antique. And you know what? When the day comes that I need to upgrade to 64 bit, with all that entails (e.g. 4gb RAM and apps that actually require it - and that is not going to be so soon), I'll put this tablet on eBay and bite the bullet again, knowing the next one I buy will already be late to the game the day it is released. But for now, I've put my hysteria aside and accept that my tablet is just fine, as is my highly customized S2 which, I'm sure, will be running L when that gets in the hands of capable outside developers, and probably M, too, if I hang on to it that long [emoji6].
For all its monstrous flaws, this is the one thing Apple's (and a few others') business model gets partly right. Less devices, less overlap, and unified updates can be as good as more. Don't get me wrong. Releasing 1 or 2 devices a year with a long patch between tech improvements (often just catch up) isn't particularly gratifying unless you are a typical brainwashed Apple fanzombie.
If you do some research tablet sales are cooling; even Apple's. Unlike smartphones, the replacement cycle is slower for tablets with current owners keeping them much longer. Phablets are denting tablet sales; especially in emerging markets where people can't afford two devices.
Apple and Samsung both lost market share in Q2; Apple more so. Apple was down in volume while Samsung gained. Price is obviously impacting sales with low cost tablet vendors growing in volume and market share.
We on XDA have a skewed view of the world. The masses are far less concerned about the speed of their CPU/GPU if they even know or care what they are. Same thing with Android L. If the latest and greatest Android version were that important to the masses Samsung wouldn't be selling the volume of devices they do and GPe and Nexus devices would be more popular.
Samsung most likely reused the high-end architecture from earlier tablets on the S' to save money and get them to market faster. Bearing the cost of redesigning them for 5433/S-805 isn't going to affect their sales or their perception by the masses. If Android L is so important getting the existing S' on it quickly makes more sense than launching a new tablet. But I don't think the masses care. If they did HTC wouldn't still be hemorrhaging sales after positioning themselves as the "fastest" OEM at updates. The S' claim to fame are their exclusive AMOLED displays. That's what you'll see advertised over the holidays.
Samsung's working on 10" 4K tablets displays that'll need 5433/S-805. That's most likely going to be the "next big thing." And the Note tablets need a refresh so logically they're next up to bat and they have a loyal following and drive higher margins.. As for a faster LTE-A tablet, I'd be surprised if even 30% of the tablets Samsung sells have cellular modems. And if high-end tablet sales are price depressed making them even more expensive seems illogical.
Trying to guess Samsung's next move is a fools game. If they make something you like buy it and be happy. The launch of the S' didn't change the features and usability of the Pro's one bit.
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Samsung did this with the P6800 a few years back, did one subsequent software update then nothing.
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That's not really a valid comparison. The S', based on distribution and marketing spend alone, are clearly mass market products. The Tab 7.7 was a niche product, not unlike the Galaxy Round, Korean-only LTE-A devices, and probably the Note Edge. All Samsung's high-end tablets from less than a year ago to present share most of the same h/w and s/w components. The Tab 7.7 shared nothing with any other Samsung device and was priced higher than 10" high-end tablets when it was released. If it didn't get updated it was because there weren't enough in circulation for Samsung to be bothered. Any L update will serve the N10.1-14, Pro's, and S' equally so, while not impossible, it would be bizarre if all of them didn't get Android L.
From Engadget...
Really, our biggest caveat is that it's expensive, even compared to mid-range models like the $350 7.0 Plus. The 7.7 isn't a plaything for mainstream consumers, but people who care deeply about laying claim to the latest and greatest gadgets, and are willing to pay dearly for the privilege. As any early adopter would tell you, getting burned on price is just one trade-off to scoring bragging rights. Indeed, such enthusiasts might well decide that nearly $250 premium over mid-range tablets is worth the long battery life, brisk performance and brilliant display. So is that you? Do you need the best that badly? We'll let you do some soul-searching and chew on that*for a bit.​​
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That's not really a valid comparison. The S', based on distribution and marketing spend alone, are clearly mass market products. The Tab 7.7 was a niche product, not unlike the Galaxy Round, Korean-only LTE-A devices, and probably the Note Edge. All Samsung's high-end tablets from less than a year ago to present share most of the same h/w and s/w components. The Tab 7.7 shared nothing with any other Samsung device and was priced higher than 10" high-end tablets when it was released. If it didn't get updated it was because there weren't enough in circulation for Samsung to be bothered. Any L update will serve the N10.1-14, Pro's, and S' equally so, while not impossible, it would be bizarre if all of them didn't get Android L.
From Engadget...
Really, our biggest caveat is that it's expensive, even compared to mid-range models like the $350 7.0 Plus. The 7.7 isn't a plaything for mainstream consumers, but people who care deeply about laying claim to the latest and greatest gadgets, and are willing to pay dearly for the privilege. As any early adopter would tell you, getting burned on price is just one trade-off to scoring bragging rights. Indeed, such enthusiasts might well decide that nearly $250 premium over mid-range tablets is worth the long battery life, brisk performance and brilliant display. So is that you? Do you need the best that badly? We'll let you do some soul-searching and chew on that*for a bit.​​
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The only reason it became a "niche" market is because of the US law suit by Apple and having the product banned for copyright infringement. I believe Samsung won the case eventually, but cut their losses and moved on, effectively abandoning the device and customers.
The 7.7 shared many of the same hardware components with other mobile devices. Note and SGS2 ......
Circumstances appear different, so I'm sure we'll get the update, but who knows where we'll be on the pecking order. ......
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The only reason it became a "niche" market is because of the US law suit by Apple and having the product banned for copyright infringement.
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The easiest way to tell a niche product is by its selling price. The Tab 7.7 was priced stratospherically for its time. To a degree, the Gear's are a niche product too based on price. If Samsung wanted mass adoption they could have averaged their costs over 10M units (vs. 1M) and priced them at $159. They didn't. They sold them at $299 limiting their audience intentionally to drive high margins. They also could have made the Gear work with non-Samsung phones if all they wanted to do was drive volume. The market sets pricing, not vendors. And the pricing for the Tab 7.7 was way above what the market was acceptant of and that wasn't by accident. The Galaxy Round was a bent Note 3 without S Pen and cost 30% more. That too wasn't an accident. AMOLED technology wasn't wear it is today when the 7.7 came out. Setting the price where they did may have allowed Samsung to ensure they didn't run out of the limited amount of displays they could produce. That, and make embarrassingly high margins.
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The easiest way to tell a niche product is by its selling price. The Tab 7.7 was priced stratospherically for its time. To a degree, the Gear's are a niche product too based on price. If Samsung wanted mass adoption they could have averaged their costs over 10M units (vs. 1M) and priced them at $159. They didn't. They sold them at $299 limiting their audience intentionally to drive high margins. They also could have made the Gear work with non-Samsung phones if all they wanted to do was drive volume. The market sets pricing, not vendors. And the pricing for the Tab 7.7 was way above what the market was acceptant of and that wasn't by accident. The Galaxy Round was a bent Note 3 without S Pen and cost 30% more. That too wasn't an accident. AMOLED technology wasn't wear it is today when the 7.7 came out. Setting the price where they did may have allowed Samsung to ensure they didn't run out of the limited amount of displays they could produce. That, and make embarrassingly high margins.
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Not necessarily.
Crapple products are way overpriced, but I wouldn't call them a niche product.......... The 7.7 was a premium device, one that scared Crapple, but premium doesn't equal niche. It wasn't a gimmicky device or "prototype" (as some you quoted), it was a real competitor, so that's what scared them and held up the production and shipment delays in Europe and US with law suits. By the time it was all sorted, Samsung had washed their hands of it. During that time, support for updates was nearly non-existent and my WIFI version didn't progress beyond ICS. The 3G model did however get a regional update for Asia to JB. This clearly shows that Samsung do indeed have a history of not supporting their products with updates for a (legal?) 18 months. Who will make them comply.
As I said though, I believe this device is a different kettle of fish, so we will get support, but may not be in a expedient manner as hoped.
Purely coincidentally in the UK today on Samsungs own website....
http://store.samsung.com/uk/ng/mobile-tablets/tablets/c/SM02
TAB Pro and Note Pro products being sold at 40% off.
Addressing some of the comments above......
The P6800 (7.7) was originally launched directly against the Ipad at a time in the market when Ipad was really the only player in town. Apples lawsuits certainly did dent the product marketing and distribution, but also what had a huge effect, was within months there was a whole rash of 'low cost' Android tablets that moved the market space in terms of pricing. The 7.7 was perhaps even over engineered for it's time (metal case, AMOLED screen, dual networking etc....) and certainly would have had a BoM that wouldn't allow it to be sold at a price competing with the likes of the Nexus 7.....so Samsung had to launch the lower cost range of products that followed. I have no issue with this, what I did and still do have an issue with is the fact that Samsung did not continue to release software updates for a reasonable amount of time afterwards. Many of us spent $500+ for our 7.7s and in effect they became redundant within 18 months....not a good return on investment.
I see the same behaviour at the moment with the Tab and Note PRO range which in my mind is just reinforced by the price promotion on their website today, I'm concerned that we may see the same behaviour for the Tab S tomorrow as sales frankly have not been at the level the Samsung must have been hoping for.
As to this being the worst thread ever, then why contribute?
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TAB Pro and Note Pro products being sold at 40% off.
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Did anyone here not think the Pro's were toast when the S' came out? They're the same tablets and launched with the same selling prices. The big and only difference is that the S' truly have an industry exclusive killer feature - their AMOLED displays. The Pro's were discounted at similar levels in the U.S. weeks ago confirming what we all knew or suspected; there ain't room in this town for two high-end similar tablets. The only surprise from the UK is that both 12" devices are marked down so significantly which I translate in to disposing of inventory on the way to extinction. 12" tablets were a risk to begin with so I guess Samsung's calling it a day. If you notice, the N10.1-14's gone from the site completely except for third party purchase. It could mean new 8.4/10/12" Notes are on the way. The 8" has been missing for a year and the 12" without S Pen was kind of stupid. Once you get to a certain price point does $50-100 difference really mean anything? So I could see the 8.4/10/12" Notes and 8.4/10.5 S' being Samsung's rationalized product line. The 12" Note being the big wild card. And due to AMOLED's battery performance on whites I'd bet the Note's continue with LCD displays.
Back to the subject of this thread. It's pretty clear why the Pro's were toast when the S' came out. What's going to make the S' toast? Android L can run on ARMv7 SoCs with 512MB of RAM so, at least to me, introducing a major h/w change in conjunction with Android L doesn't make sense and "quad core" and "eight core" are still going to be on the box regardless of which Exynos or Snapdragon chip is under the hood. That said, it's equally unlikely the "S" will become the S 2 simply because newer SoC's are available. For the thesis of this thread to be true means the only reason the S' aren't selling as well as they could are because of their Android version and CPU/GPU. I don't think the masses care enough for that to be true. If something were to happen "S 2-wise" it would be happening now to get the merch on the shelves before the holidays and to beat/meet the arrival of the Teg K1 HTC/Nexus 8.9" tablet. There's been no S-like tablets that have shown up in benchmarks or been certified for Wi-Fi, BT, or cellular anywhere. Just the LTE-A S specific to Korea. There was a 100 page thread in the SGS5 forum about people worrying the Alpha was going to be a metal SGS5 with more power. Turned out to be 100 pages of wasted server space and fretting. Every time a Korean LTE-A device comes out the klaxon horns go off about it imminently replacing or rendering inferior an existing global device. Hasn't happened yet.
There probably will be a "S 2" but if I were to bet it would take more than a SoC swap and/or new Android version to make that happen. But I've been wrong before.
So conspiracy theorists do carry on. I'm out because this thread is turning argumentative and I'm not helping.

Galaxy note 5 is the new Windows 8

I've owned Samsung galaxy Notes 2,3 and 4 but for the first time I'm going to give this next edition a miss.
No SD card or removable battery is like Windows 8 without the start button and will IMHO prove to be a similar disaster for Samsung.
However, it's not just this as the specs feel more like a downgrade and a stop-gap, the equivalent of a Note 4s.
So I'm in the market for a new phone from a different manufacturer and looking around at what's coming up.
Hopefully they'll 'take note' (pardon the pun) for Note 6!
Galaxaster said:
I've owned Samsung galaxy Notes 2,3 and 4 but for the first time I'm going to give this next edition a miss.
No SD card or removable battery is like Windows 8 without the start button and will IMHO prove to be a similar disaster for Samsung.
However, it's not just this as the specs feel more like a downgrade and a stop-gap, the equivalent of a Note 4s.
So I'm in the market for a new phone from a different manufacturer and looking around at what's coming up.
Hopefully they'll 'take note' (pardon the pun) for Note 6!
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Lets wait until Unpacked before the "Samsung is going down/doomed/Note 5 sucks etc..." parade.
People posting around here like they have already used a Note 5 when we do not know the final spec yet and what else it may bring.
POLO_i780 said:
Lets wait until Unpacked before the "Samsung is going down/doomed/Note 5 sucks etc..." parade.
People posting around here like they have already used a Note 5 when we do not know the final spec yet and what else it may bring.
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Not sure under which rock you live but it has been raining and Samsung's roof is leaking. We already know that it's going to be using a 1440p screen, 4Gb DDR4 ram, Exynos 7422 SoC, same camera as the S6, and the same NAND as well. The only "new" thing they are going to introduce has something to do with audio quality. So no sd-card nor swappable battery. Note 5 is also going to be sporting the same ****ty touchwiz version as the S6/S6 Edge, that is even more flawed than the version for the Note 4 considering it is running on better hardware yet somehow performs worse.
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Not sure under which rock you live but it has been raining and Samsung's roof is leaking. We already know that it's going to be using a 1440p screen, 4Gb DDR4 ram, Exynos 7422 SoC, same camera as the S6, and the same NAND as well. The only "new" thing they are going to introduce has something to do with audio quality. So no sd-card nor swappable battery. Note 5 is also going to be sporting the same ****ty touchwiz version as the S6/S6 Edge, that is even more flawed than the version for the Note 4 considering it is running on better hardware yet somehow performs worse.
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No I haven't, but calling a phone that you have not used yet ****ty and so on is not exactly smart. The specs don't tell the whole story and it may have many improvements over the S6 and Edge in its TW by the time it gets released.
Unless you have played with a fully functional retail unit of the Note 5, I'd suggest reserving judgement.
Like I said, people acting like they have already used a Note 5 without knowing everything about it. A lot can be changed between now and release, especially in terms of software.
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No I haven't, but calling a phone that you have not used yet ****ty and so on is not exactly smart. The specs don't tell the whole story and it may have many improvements over the S6 and Edge in its TW by the time it gets released.
Unless you have played with a fully functional retail unit of the Note 5, I'd suggest reserving judgement.
Like I said, people acting like they have already used a Note 5 without knowing everything about it. A lot can be changed between now and release, especially in terms of software.
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There are leaks everywhere and even if the software is improved it's not going to matter considering android m is launching later this year, as the note 5 won't get the update until much later. The S7 is going to sport Samsung custom core SoC so support for the note 5 is going to be even shorter (note 6 being a larger version of the s7). Oh I also forgot to mention that the note 5 is going to have a SMALLER battery than the Note 4 (3000mAh) and no IR blaster.
I'd wager the note 5 is going to be Samsung worst selling galaxy device ever.
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There are leaks everywhere and even if the software is improved it's not going to matter considering android m is launching later this year, as the note 5 won't get the update until much later. The S7 is going to sport Samsung custom core SoC so support for the note 5 is going to be even shorter (note 6 being a larger version of the s7). Oh I also forgot to mention that the note 5 is going to have a SMALLER battery than the Note 4 (3000mAh) and no IR blaster.
I'd wager the note 5 is going to be Samsung worst selling galaxy device ever.
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Well if the rumours are correct and the Note 5 has a limited release, then yes it will not sell the way others have, that is pretty obvious.
Oh wow, speaking of Note 6 already, you and I do not know how the mobile industry will be next year, Samsung may just have to change direction with the Note 6, maybe even make a diff. variant of it as they did Note Edge. Again, a few specs do not tell the story.
We are in 2015, yet people are as closed minded as they were decades ago.
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Well if the rumours are correct and the Note 5 has a limited release, then yes it will not sell the way others have, that is pretty obvious.
Oh wow, speaking of Note 6 already, you and I do not know how the mobile industry will be next year, Samsung may just have to change direction with the Note 6, maybe even make a diff. variant of it as they did Note Edge. Again, a few specs do not tell the story.
We are in 2015, yet people are as closed minded as they were decades ago.
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I dont think its close mindedness, but more like a major letdown to the fans of the Note series.
Aside from the s pen, folks loved the note for its flexibility in storage, and its ease of using it for days with spare batteries and such. Sure the giant screen was part of it, but those other things turned out to be important parts of what made the note series such a "cult" hit..
Now, with alot of those things disappearing, its easy to understand why so many folks are going to abandon the Note series.
It doesnt mean they are closed minded, they are just upset that some of the major features that kept them coming back to the Note series wont be there any more.
And you cant blame people for that..
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I dont think its close mindedness, but more like a major letdown to the fans of the Note series.
Aside from the s pen, folks loved the note for its flexibility in storage, and its ease of using it for days with spare batteries and such. Sure the giant screen was part of it, but those other things turned out to be important parts of what made the note series such a "cult" hit..
Now, with alot of those things disappearing, its easy to understand why so many folks are going to abandon the Note series.
It doesnt mean they are closed minded, they are just upset that some of the major features that kept them coming back to the Note series wont be there any more.
And you cant blame people for that..
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There are now cases that can bring MicroSD support and so on, but I say lets wait and see what happens at Unpacked.
These rumours have gone up and down, 1st it had a 4100mAh battery and now its 3000mAh, some report Exynos 7422 and others 7420, but I guess the 7422 will be international and 7420 will be USA. Some report the Dual Sim variant will have a MicroSD slot yet the S6 Duos never had a MicroSD slot, and then there's the software which can be subject to major change between now and release.
What I am saying is, leave your mind open up until Unpacked. I remember last year when everyone was convinced we would get a Galaxy S5 Prime with metal build, instead we got a Note Edge.
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Another rumour
https://www.thegioididong.com/tin-tuc/thong-so-ky-thuat-cua-galaxy-note-5-va-s6-edge-plus-681235
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4100mAh battery
32GB internal with MicroSD support
AND IR Blaster
LOL, Unpacked must just come and put and end to this madness.
Losing the SD card and replaceable battery is bad enough IMO
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There are leaks everywhere and even if the software is improved it's not going to matter considering android m is launching later this year, as the note 5 won't get the update until much later. The S7 is going to sport Samsung custom core SoC so support for the note 5 is going to be even shorter (note 6 being a larger version of the s7). Oh I also forgot to mention that the note 5 is going to have a SMALLER battery than the Note 4 (3000mAh) and no IR blaster.
I'd wager the note 5 is going to be Samsung worst selling galaxy device ever.
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You said the Note 5 was going to have a smaller battery than the Note 4, at 3000mAh, yet as is typical of rumors, they conflict, I up you one with a very recent image of a Note 5 retail box that claims 4100mAh battery:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Is-this-the-box-for-the-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-5_id72423
This is my problem with prejudging before a phone is even announced, I am still unsure what to believe. You had already made your mind up that it is a 3000mAh battery, due to another rumor. There have been multiple rumors that claim either 3000mAh or 4100mAh, and I also posted a link of a spec sheet which claimed IR Blaster, but another rumor claimed no IR Blaster, and we are not even sure if the Note 5 images we have been seeing are not early prototypes.
I cannot understand how people can draw a conclusion based solely on rumors. One thing it does do is keep the stock market an interesting place though, I've made and lost money due to rumors, lol.
Well, I don't think going from the sd805 to the exynos 7420/7422 is a minor upgrade (considering how fast the s6 with it is)
So much hate for a device not yet released. If you don't like it don't buy it, simple as....
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You said the Note 5 was going to have a smaller battery than the Note 4, at 3000mAh, yet as is typical of rumors, they conflict, I up you one with a very recent image of a Note 5 retail box that claims 4100mAh battery:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Is-this-the-box-for-the-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-5_id72423
This is my problem with prejudging before a phone is even announced, I am still unsure what to believe. You had already made your mind up that it is a 3000mAh battery, due to another rumor. There have been multiple rumors that claim either 3000mAh or 4100mAh, and I also posted a link of a spec sheet which claimed IR Blaster, but another rumor claimed no IR Blaster, and we are not even sure if the Note 5 images we have been seeing are not early prototypes.
I cannot understand how people can draw a conclusion based solely on rumors. One thing it does do is keep the stock market an interesting place though, I've made and lost money due to rumors, lol.
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Well the 3000mAh was a bit of a stretch even for samsung, but that doesn't mean the Note 5 is going to be anything but a large S6. My issue though with samsung has nothing to do with the hardware, but with how Samsung treats their customers; I know that they don't guarantee any updates, but they should have figured out by now that people always want the latest updates along with the latest interface (that's why people keep buying iPhones). It's just a shame to see samsung making the same mistakes over and over again letting Apple walk all over them (Android as a whole suffers). Wish Samsung would seize making cheap low-end devices and just keep their previous gen models as the mid- and low-end phones, in order to be able to keep up with updating every model to the latest android and touchwiz versions.
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Well the 3000mAh was a bit of a stretch even for samsung, but that doesn't mean the Note 5 is going to be anything but a large S6. My issue though with samsung has nothing to do with the hardware, but with how Samsung treats their customers; I know that they don't guarantee any updates, but they should have figured out by now that people always want the latest updates along with the latest interface (that's why people keep buying iPhones). It's just a shame to see samsung making the same mistakes over and over again letting Apple walk all over them (Android as a whole suffers). Wish Samsung would seize making cheap low-end devices and just keep their previous gen models as the mid- and low-end phones, in order to be able to keep up with updating every model to the latest android and touchwiz versions.
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You see now there I full agree with you, 100%!
And from what I am seeing, they have become worse than before, we are still waiting for 5.1.1 and now there is a huge vulnerability found yet they continue to drag their feet. It is very frustrating and it has had me wondering if I could live with an iPhone 6S Plus, but I like Android and thoroughly enjoy its versatility.
Its a tough one, it makes me wonder why manufacturers can't just make their skins downloadable or separate them from the core of the OS and allow Google to issue the Android Updates to us, then they (the manufacturers) can do their skin updates at their own pace. Would make a lot more sense.
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You see now there I full agree with you, 100%!
And from what I am seeing, they have become worse than before, we are still waiting for 5.1.1 and now there is a huge vulnerability found yet they continue to drag their feet. It is very frustrating and it has had me wondering if I could live with an iPhone 6S Plus, but I like Android and thoroughly enjoy its versatility.
Its a tough one, it makes me wonder why manufacturers can't just make their skins downloadable or separate them from the core of the OS and allow Google to issue the Android Updates to us, then they (the manufacturers) can do their skin updates at their own pace. Would make a lot more sense.
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I'm not desperate enough to consider an apple device, especially now that Samsung has committed themselves to frequent security-updates. Would like to see every Samsung phone updated simultaneously, but as there are 1000000 different models that's just not possible.
Google handling the updates would indeed be ideal, but touchwiz uses it's own framework so it's more than just a custom skin.
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I'm not desperate enough to consider an apple device, especially now that Samsung has committed themselves to frequent security-updates. Would like to see every Samsung phone updated simultaneously, but as there are 1000000 different models that's just not possible.
Google handling the updates would indeed be ideal, but touchwiz uses it's own framework so it's more than just a custom skin.
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Can't have it all I guess.
I am a fan of TouchWiz (one of very few it seems), all I would like is faster and more consistent updates.
Their commitment to monthly security updates will be interesting to see.
http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-note-5-fully-exposed-632450/
Even if the phone does pack a punch, the lack of note key features means it doesn't offer anything to make me spend oodles on a note 5.
Samsungs path is to follow what apple are doing rather than be innovative and provide somethings its customers want. Note customers are more picky than s6 users (we also spend a darn sight more on it), which is why the note 5 (a fat s6 with a pen) will fail to increase samsungs profits - I defy anyone to argue against this.
There are so many good phones in the near pipeline - if you don't need the pen (which although is nice to have its not imperative for me), there is the hugely competitively priced Moto x, the upcoming Nexus 7, the top spec (rumoured) LG G4 Pro, to name just a few.
In Samsungs plight be like apple, they've forgotten the key thing - what its customers want. Here is a lesson in ensuring you do market research!
Yes inbuilt memory is fine if you have a truly reliable high speed data connection everywhere, and the ability to charge the thing in every coffee shop, but for those of us who don't live next to a 4g mast/wifi hotspot and want to drag around a power pack, the lack of these 2 features alone make the note 5 an impossible buy - at least for the price Samsung will want to charge.
....and that's before we even talk about the speed to deploy critical updates!
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Even if the phone does pack a punch, the lack of note key features means it doesn't offer anything to make me spend oodles on a note 5.
Samsungs path is to follow what apple are doing rather than be innovative and provide somethings its customers want. Note customers are more picky than s6 users (we also spend a darn sight more on it), which is why the note 5 (a fat s6 with a pen) will fail to increase samsungs profits - I defy anyone to argue against this.
There are so many good phones in the near pipeline - if you don't need the pen (which although is nice to have its not imperative for me), there is the hugely competitively priced Moto x, the upcoming Nexus 7, the top spec (rumoured) LG G4 Pro, to name just a few.
In Samsungs plight be like apple, they've forgotten the key thing - what its customers want. Here is a lesson in ensuring you do market research!
Yes inbuilt memory is fine if you have a truly reliable high speed data connection everywhere, and the ability to charge the thing in every coffee shop, but for those of us who don't live next to a 4g mast/wifi hotspot and want to drag around a power pack, the lack of these 2 features alone make the note 5 an impossible buy - at least for the price Samsung will want to charge.
....and that's before we even talk about the speed to deploy critical updates!
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Not one to defend Google normally, but that's the reason i went back to my nexus 6. Yes its not half as sharp, camera is a step below, but its got no issues with security and it does not get shunted aside a few months after purchase.
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Well the 3000mAh was a bit of a stretch even for samsung, but that doesn't mean the Note 5 is going to be anything but a large S6. My issue though with samsung has nothing to do with the hardware, but with how Samsung treats their customers; I know that they don't guarantee any updates, but they should have figured out by now that people always want the latest updates along with the latest interface (that's why people keep buying iPhones). It's just a shame to see samsung making the same mistakes over and over again letting Apple walk all over them (Android as a whole suffers). Wish Samsung would seize making cheap low-end devices and just keep their previous gen models as the mid- and low-end phones, in order to be able to keep up with updating every model to the latest android and touchwiz versions.
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All the Note series have been larger versions of their S series siblings. So it's no surprise that the Note 5 will be a large S6.
I do agree though that Samsung have an appalling customer service and public relations reputation and it pains me to say they could learn a thing or two from Apple sadly.
They came up with the S6 as a ground-zero project to satisfy the critics ... read that as journalists. Tech journalists have always favoured Apple products with a few Android blogger exceptions. So we end up with the S6 looking like an iPhone clone. The "oohs and ahhs" of those journalists was great for Samsung but they were short lived as soon as another new phone showed up. What Samsung should be doing is surveying current Samsung customers and asking them what they really want from a phone. Doing proper market research and lining that up with what they can technically, financially and feasibly manufacture without it costing the consumer stupid money, will be a winner for them.
I agree that we should not completely judge the Note 5 before it's officially launched but I think we have a good enough idea to form a relatively good opinion of it. I owned every Note since its birth and I have to say this is the first time I have hesitated about upgrading to the next gen version. I guess we will have to wait and see.

Poor S9 sales

Samsung admits the sales are bad.
Do you think the sales are bad because people are finally getting sick of the bloatware or the incredible high price tag ?
Do you think S10 sales will be better ?
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Samsung admits the sales are bad.
Do you think the sales are bad because people are finally getting sick of the bloatware or the incredible high price tag ?
Do you think S10 sales will be better ?
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The S9 is my first Samsung phone and I bought it because of the stereo speakers and improved camera. They didn't catch me with the S8 but it did impress me when it came out.
Bad sales depends on a lot of factors. Ever increasing competition from Chinese OEMs, especially Hwawei, incremental changes to a phone that has already exhausted its sales or maybe wrongly assuming that you have achieved the same footing as Apple.
I'm impressed with the S9. It still stands out from the competition and I don't get the feeling that I'm missing out on anything another phone has to offer this year.
I dont think the price is high at all.
It's half the price of the iPhone X in my country..
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I dont think the price is high at all.
It's half the price of the iPhone X in my country..
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That doesn't mean anything, everything is half the price of overpriced Apple stuff
Remove Apple from the comparison and it becomes expensive
I think the regular user don't mind about the bloatware, unfortunately. For me, the bloatware and this disgusting curved display it's what most annoys me.
The camera on Samsung phones are the best point for me.
Idk but I am enjoying my S9. I wanted the OP6 for 500€ but when I saw that I can buy S9 for 550€ the water resistant, better display, camera, expendable storage and wirelless charging is worth that extra 50€.
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I was still on the S4 before the upgrade to the S9. The S8 just wasn't enough for me to upgrade but the S8 is so close to the S9 I can see why the sales are poor. For me it was a HUGE upgrade.
It's probably because of the bad publicity it got in regards to the American version Vs the rest of the world, the exynos battery life was abysmal, it's better now but still now where near as good as the Snapdragon version.
It is the most I've ever laid for a phone but all in all I'm happy with it. I used Moto phones from the original Moto G through the G4, mainly because they were easy to root and develop roms. Their purchase by Lenovo, a company that would have trouble engineering toy phones killed Motos' for me. Having owned a long line of Samsung tablets made me try the S9. I can now add Samsung to my list of Moto, LG, Huawei/Honor, and Nokia. The curved screen? Meh
I think people have finally had enough...
I loved the screen and camera of my S9 but the OP6 just seemed like a better fit for my needs since I like very smooth and fast performance and while the s9 did that to some extent, it could also become a bit slower than I liked over time. In the end I sold it for the OP6 which turned out of be a better choice despite being a "cheaper" or "inferior" phone.
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I think the bad sales numbers are due to people not needing the newest greatest phone every year anymore when there is not a great new feature added to them. For me this is my first Samsung device since the galaxy s2 or something. I was a die hard stock android/nexus fan for years and then when the nexus phones died I have been lost and trying different phones when needing another phone. First few post nexus phones was various moto phones as they use a close to stock version of android but I really wanted to go with a top tier phone that I could get financed threw my carrier and I feel stock android has became a little on the stale side so I went with the s9. Truth be told I really like it. I don't like bixby, or the stock launcher (I am actually using ruthless launcher which is a pixel launcher clone) but some of the built in Samsung apps are quite impressive to me like Samsung pay (still messes with peoples head when it works after they say it won't) or the Samsung browser that is like firefox and chrome had a baby and made that awesome thing. having a built in theme installer is kinda cool (again I guess me looking at stock android for so long I was bored with it as it hasn't changed that much in 2 or 3 years.)
It's because the S9 is not much different from the S8.
People are still happy with their S7's and S8's. It's that simple. S7 camera and performance is still great in 2018.
When you release something like every year like this I have a S8 And will either get a note 8 or 9
S9 isnt no where near enough of upgrade.And unless Galaxy S X is extraordinary Prob wont be going for that one either
The biggest thing with their numbers on S9 is the sales they had with S 6 7 and 8
No one sees enough to upgrade yet
The average person doesn't know or care what an "exynos" is or the pros and cons compared to stock Android etc. I think it's just because it's an incremental upgrade - no real obvious difference from the S8, so people looking to upgrade will say "huh, it's exactly the same" and not bother.
Or maybe it's because it doesn't have a notch. That seems to be a fashion statement these days. I hope and pray that Samsung doesn't fall for that particular fad - they've managed to steer clear so far.
I got mine very heavily subsidised by EE (by my most conservative calculations compared to SIM-only it cost me £320 or so. There are other ways you can argue that it's pretty much a free phone). Buying outright from Samsung they're expensive but carriers are almost handing them out in the street right now.

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