[Q] Battery--Please Help! - HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity

Hey everyone,
So this is my 2nd Android device. I had the Inspire and this summer I picked up the Vivid. I think the phone is fantastic, however the battery life has been nothing short of horrendous.
For whatever reason, my phone can only last 90 minutes on a full charge. The backing gets warm quickly and the battery percentage decreases very rapidly. The battery life continues to decrease even when the phone is locked.
I have tried basically every ROM out there, from Holics to Cyanogenmod. Some are a bit better than others, but none can make it over 2 hours for me.
Is there anything I can do to fix this problem?
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On a side note, I love the work that has been done on the development side of this phone. I never thought I would see the day when I would be running CM.
Thank you all in advance. This truly is a great community.
Zachary

Uhhh...
Factory reset?
RUU?
if you still have the problem... get better battery stats... figure out your wake lock...
Or... get cpuspy and figure out what's got your processor hung up
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might just be your battery man

You most likely have a defective battery or worse...
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[Q] Lg Thrill system eating my battery

It seems my android system is destroying my battery , it is always at the top of the list with display usually coming in well under. This screen shot was taken with very little use today. I upgraded the battery to the andida 1980 mah battery and I have been using juice defender ultimate and I do get a few more hours out of the device but the android system is still the largest drain. any ideas or suggestions would be great.
chrisayrer said:
It seems my android system is destroying my battery , it is always at the top of the list with display usually coming in well under. This screen shot was taken with very little use today. I upgraded the battery to the andida 1980 mah battery and I have been using juice defender ultimate and I do get a few more hours out of the device but the android system is still the largest drain. any ideas or suggestions would be great.
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here is a screen shot after restoring the phone to factory and only setting up google voice. I have never had the android system use more then the display. Is this normal?
chrisayrer said:
here is a screen shot after restoring the phone to factory and only setting up google voice. I have never had the android system use more then the display. Is this normal?
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Its normal for a stock thrill. But that doesn't mean it should be that way necessarily... I have gb on my other two phones and android system has always been toward the bottom.
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Welcome to the club. I charge mine twice a day at least.
Dude, no kidding. I charge mine 2-3 times daily, plus the whole time driving to and from work. Android eats normally 50-60% of my battery. Sadly, I still love it. Plus I work for at&t selling these things. I tried the 3500mah battery, but I hate having a naked phone.
I'm not sure what I'm doing different but my android system is at 30-39%
sent from my Lg Thrill running Thriller. Using the XDA app.
They say it's some sort of system glitch but no one knows the cause. I'm running Thriller which is amazing. Much better than stock. These phones have a lot of potential.
Change the Launer, try Launcherpro, after installing the launche reboot and see.
After a ton of research this is what I've found. I think its the answer as to why the battery is getting drained, but there doesn't seem to be a fix. I installed Juice Defender which has throttled my OS from coming on and leeching the internet whenever it feels like it. Sometimes I get cell standby, phone idle and display above android OS, which is a god send.
I found this out using Battery history and Betterbatterystats.
The main culprit seems to be the Suspend command. Google knows about this issue and LG had to of known but they released Froyo on the Thrill anyway.
Issue 11126
I use watchdog to monitor mine. At first I set it to alert me if it ever went above 30% which should be way to much but I got it so often I decided to move it up to 50% to give it a little extra time to "suspend" my phone. I get less alerts now so it must be working eventually but I've had it alert me at 80% before...suspend....using 80% processing power to put my phone to sleep?!?!? Thats rediculous. So you go into the "partial wake" section of betterbattery and battery history and you find out that the main culprit of keeping your phone awake and fighting "suspend" is either the "dialer" or "datatracker". Dialer seems to encompass anything that uses the internet but I could be wrong so that one is pretty broad. DataTracker turns out is your Fast Dormancy. There are many threads on the internwebs that tell you how to disable fast dormancy as its more of a neusance than usefull if the carrier isn't tuned right for it but none of these seemed to work for me so for now I'm stuck letting dialer and FD fight Suspend and just catching it when I can with Watchdog. Gingerbread can't come soon enough and hopefully its a version that fixes this as many users in the "issue" thread were using GB.
I lost tons of sleep over this and the only thing I could do was install Juice Defender. I hate depending on a 3rd party app to control and throttle everything on my phone but so far I still get all my push emails fairly instantly and really don't even notice its there, I still just hate the idea of it. but, for now it works. Yesterday I was at 27% after 17 hours of moderate use. Phone calls, emails, texts and maybe even some 3D gaming but I couldn't remember for sure. I also use Battery Graph to give myself a visual representation of my battery throughout the day and that helps me see when and where my batter is getting drained or if its going to sleep properly. Keeping my Wifi on also seems to drain it so unless I need fast internet I have it off. It doesn't seem to sleep properly when its on even if I have it set to "sleep when screen off" as the phone still likes to "partial wake" and run wild on the net.
Sorry if its long winded and confusing but after tons of research on this I've come to accept what I've found. I hope it has helped someone.
abo_mara7 said:
Change the Launer, try Launcherpro, after installing the launche reboot and see.
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I also changed my launcher to Go Launcher and it helped LG Home stop using battery.
So there I started out at actually 70%. After swapping to launcher pro, rebooting, and charging, it's gradually gone down to 40%
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My android system is at 23% with GO Launcher EX. It's the third at my list with Cell Standby leading with 34%
I've been unplugged for about 2 hours now. Oddly enough my phone only says 21 minutes. Android system is back at 67% and standby is at 10%.
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You all have to remember froyo isn't the greatest when dealing with resources hence why Gingerbread was released so hopefully once we get that update things will be much better.
If you use cwm, try battery calibration. when you reset it the battery meter become more accurate.
I use up my battery from 100% downto 40%really fast. but the remaining 40% looks far more than the first 60%
New to trill
Hey so my friend came by with a thill cool phone .so I switch to straight talk wet to eBay got me a thrill every thing was cool with the phone for about a week then the battery going dead want charge so I call the guy from eBay got a battery still want charge sent phone back got money back got another thrill had a case so got a new phone still in plastic this was monday its been working good all week so today I'm working look at phone to check time had about 47% battery ten min later 3% so go to charge it want charge tried two charger not the lg charger that came with the phone. Get car on way home started steaming songs it started charging do i need to use only lg chargers or are these phones just nuts my phone is unlocked if upgrade to gingerbread will it help or will I have unlock the phone agen and my phone don't have a sd card will this hurt with upgrade this is a cool phone Sorry for the long message like the site thank you any help please
Bamabuggy said:
Hey so my friend came by with a thill cool phone .so I switch to straight talk wet to eBay got me a thrill every thing was cool with the phone for about a week then the battery going dead want charge so I call the guy from eBay got a battery still want charge sent phone back got money back got another thrill had a case so got a new phone still in plastic this was monday its been working good all week so today I'm working look at phone to check time had about 47% battery ten min later 3% so go to charge it want charge tried two charger not the lg charger that came with the phone. Get car on way home started steaming songs it started charging do i need to use only lg chargers or are these phones just nuts my phone is unlocked if upgrade to gingerbread will it help or will I have unlock the phone agen and my phone don't have a sd card will this hurt with upgrade this is a cool phone Sorry for the long message like the site thank you any help please
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I've had issues using other chargers.
Not that it wouldn't charge, but the touch screen goes crazy while trying to use it on the after market charger. Once removed it was fine.
So yeah I would say only use the LG charger.
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Thank for replying will use only lg chargers can upgrade to gingerbread if I'm unlocked
Bamabuggy said:
Thank for replying will use only lg chargers can upgrade to gingerbread if I'm unlocked
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You sure can, it's a straight forward process.
I DO however recommend you ask The Dark Lestat to help you, he's our head developer & most experienced on the Thrill 4G team.
Tell us of anymore bat issues pop up.
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Well phone seems to be better went to running services and stopped drm service and it's been on last night all day I'll know more tomorrow . So I can upgrade to gingerbread would like to do that this phone is new and I new to the smartphones . Thanks
Gingerbead
Ok I'm a noob when it comes to phones I need step by step to upgrade to gingerbread I tried with update tool it won't see my phone my phone is unlocked got it off eBay it was new please help

[Q] Battery problems G1

Hi to everyone! I have a g1 and I decided to use it again. I replaced the battery for a new one (I bought it few days ago). When I used after charging it all night it just lasted 3 hours. Then I googled for solutions and I did all what I found (charge it full and reset battery stats and let it drain all, charge it with the phone off, etc) without results. Then I tried one Barry with more capacity (the ones that you need to change the cover) that a friend have and was the same. After more or less three hours, the phone turned off. I had cyanogenmod 7 installed with the latest radio and spl. Today I tried with stock room, unrooted with the same results.
If someone knows a solution, please let me know. Thanks
It may be your ROM, but this is very new to me, even those big ones? Try another ROM:FroyoByLazslo is my favourite and fastest
I'm checking with the stock rom, but I'm going to give a try. Thanks!
Hi,
maybe you overclocked it very much; this can use very much battery. If you want to save energy, you should undervolt it...
Hardy
Hmmm, I don't think is that. I tried with the stock room (1.6) and was the same. And this morning I tried to use the phone, but I had decided last night to turn it off to save battery and was dead! Maybe the phone has something... today I flashed the room froyo by laslo, looks good and is fast! I'm going to underclock it and see what happen. Also I read something about a draining problem when you connect it in the laptop through usb, might it is the cause of all this?
Only with some kernels, if your drain problem is due to software then flash a different kernel
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demkantor said:
Only with some kernels, if your drain problem is due to software then flash a different kernel
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Yeah, may didn't wipe during a ROM change?
PS: You're welcome!
HI, after checking all that you say. I wipe all and after I charged the battery, y wip e the stats and now is working better! With the normal one, I get 6 hours on standby and with normal use, 4..... I tried with 2200mhA and I get 12 hours with medium use, but I with this one the phone is bulky..... BUt well now is my gps!
Thanks!
No prob dude we are here to help the guys who need help, that's why it's a forum XD
TC, you must understand that all G1 batteries are quite old now. They were made betwixt 2008-2010, batteries begin losing their max charge right after they are made in the factories. It's only natural for your battery life to be poor, batteries can be damaged heavily by heat sources, my notebook's battery life became 5 Minutes b/c the wear level was extremely high. I assume your G1's battery is in "bad" condition cell wise. Either calibrate or buy an OEM battery(3rd batteries are tricky). If you calibrate try one of these...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1312273
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1187698
Also if you need battery you should honestly stick with cupcake, donut. Anything past that is already sluggish and pushes the G1, which means the CPU is always at max which leads to shorter battery. And lets not forget the post donut versions have more services and what not.
Ace42 said:
(3rd batteries are tricky)
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What's wrong with 3rd party batteries? In my experience I've had two different ones bought off eBay and each worked better than my new OEM battery.

[Q] High 'Android OS' battery usage

Hello all. I've been having this problem for a while and I can't quite seem to solve it.
I'm using an MPJ 7000mAh extended battery, Slim Bean 4.2.2 build 7, NX kernel, overclocked to 1600mhz, and the Hyper CPU governor. I also set the voltage for 1.6ghz to 1300mV, which appears to be the same as 1.4ghz's stock voltage.
An imgur album with all the screenshots you need is here: http://imgur.com/a/heaqg
Here is the link to a BBS text dump: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0coZNyjlSVAdVdYVVBpTVpCOGs
This issue is really bugging me and I hope someone can help me out.
Thanks
This is exactly what my phone has been doing for months and I can't figure out for the life of me what it is. I have used several apps to monitor CPU, battery, and application usage, but I can't pinpoint what is causing it. I just turn off Wifi and data and it stops most of the battery usage. I was just coming to ask the same question, but I saw this post instead. I would love to figure this out, as it as happened on my current and last ROM.
yentlequible said:
This is exactly what my phone has been doing for months and I can't figure out for the life of me what it is. I have used several apps to monitor CPU, battery, and application usage, but I can't pinpoint what is causing it. I just turn off Wifi and data and it stops most of the battery usage. I was just coming to ask the same question, but I saw this post instead. I would love to figure this out, as it as happened on my current and last ROM.
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It doesn't seem to be dependant on WiFi or data for me. I keep both of them off when I'm at home and the same thing still happens.
Hopefully we can both fix this stupid problem.
I was having a look at a review for the new Nexus 7, and the battery information on it looked very similar to that of mine.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/08/03/2013-nexus-7-review/
I switched back to Slim Bean's stock kernel. Looking much better. http://imgur.com/oTKW6TP.jpg
CustardNOM said:
I switched back to Slim Bean's stock kernel. Looking much better. http://imgur.com/oTKW6TP.jpg
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The Android OS looks a lot better than what mine looks like. Maybe I'll have to try that kernel also. What were you on before? I'm on a CM kernel that came with my rom.
How old is your Note? I acquired mine just a couple months after they very first came out. Over the past few months while on my current ROM, I have had lots of random freezing and shut downs. I figured it was the ROM and just kept on restarting. (I'm lazy and didn't want to flash something else). Froze today again, like usual, so I pulled the cover off, and yanked the battery. However, while the battery was out, I noticed that it has started to swell. I don't know if this is recent or I just haven't noticed it. Perhaps my battery is the cause of all my problems. I wouldn't doubt it, as the battery that went out in my Galaxy S 4g pretty much rendered the phone useless as it kept on swelling.
Now I don't know if the battery swelling could also be related to the high "Android OS' usage, but I thought I would let you know. That's two Samsung batteries that I have had go bad on me in my two most recent devices. I'll be ordering another OEM battery here shortly to see how it affects the problems I have had. I'm actually surprised that I didn't notice it yet. My stats right now have the battery at 14%, with 12+ hours on the battery, and only 36 minutes of screen-on time. Pretty screwed up stats, I'd say. Of course, Android OS is top of the list for using 64% of it so far.
Summary: Check battery. Maybe our problem has an easy solution.
yentlequible said:
How old is your Note? I acquired mine just a couple months after they very first came out. Over the past few months while on my current ROM, I have had lots of random freezing and shut downs. I figured it was the ROM and just kept on restarting. (I'm lazy and didn't want to flash something else). Froze today again, like usual, so I pulled the cover off, and yanked the battery. However, while the battery was out, I noticed that it has started to swell. I don't know if this is recent or I just haven't noticed it. Perhaps my battery is the cause of all my problems. I wouldn't doubt it, as the battery that went out in my Galaxy S 4g pretty much rendered the phone useless as it kept on swelling.
Now I don't know if the battery swelling could also be related to the high "Android OS' usage, but I thought I would let you know. That's two Samsung batteries that I have had go bad on me in my two most recent devices. I'll be ordering another OEM battery here shortly to see how it affects the problems I have had. I'm actually surprised that I didn't notice it yet. My stats right now have the battery at 14%, with 12+ hours on the battery, and only 36 minutes of screen-on time. Pretty screwed up stats, I'd say. Of course, Android OS is top of the list for using 64% of it so far.
Summary: Check battery. Maybe our problem has an easy solution.
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If the battery is swollen it means it's faulty and if you leave it too long is likely to explode.
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SpyderTracks said:
If the battery is swollen it means it's faulty and if you leave it too long is likely to explode.
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I know. I have already ordered a replacement.

[Q] Best way to improve battery life?

Hi everyone.
When I bought this phone, the battery would last all day, sometimes even going for 2 days with a single charge. Using the stock rom, I can only get around 14 hours with very light usage now. Using a custom rom gives me even less. Does anyone have any ideas as to how to beef up the battery life?
123650o said:
Hi everyone.
When I bought this phone, the battery would last all day, sometimes even going for 2 days with a single charge. Using the stock rom, I can only get around 14 hours with very light usage now. Using a custom rom gives me even less. Does anyone have any ideas as to how to beef up the battery life?
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It would really help to know what rom you're using, not all of them (personally) have I got great battery life..
Not sure if you're a aosp guy, or like sense.. but if you're using a sense rom, WCX roms have got me the best battery life I've seen on the vivid.. and the vivid isn't too great with battery at all.
Maqical said:
It would really help to know what rom you're using, not all of them (personally) have I got great battery life..
Not sure if you're a aosp guy, or like sense.. but if you're using a sense rom, WCX roms have got me the best battery life I've seen on the vivid.. and the vivid isn't too great with battery at all.
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Sorry, I'm using this rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45829532
I'm not too sure why, but with this rom, the battery drops extremely quickly.
123650o said:
Sorry, I'm using this rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45829532
I'm not too sure why, but with this rom, the battery drops extremely quickly.
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I hate to say it this way...
But leave the screen off...
I get between .5 and .7 % drain per hour with the screen off... And up to 30% per hour with the screen on...
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rignfool said:
I hate to say it this way...
But leave the screen off...
I get between .5 and .7 % drain per hour with the screen off... And up to 30% per hour with the screen on...
Sent from my Vivid 4G using Tapatalk
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This may sound weird, but the battery seems to drain just as fast with the screen off.
123650o said:
This may sound weird, but the battery seems to drain just as fast with the screen off.
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Then you have wakelocks.... Use Better Battery Stats to find the offending program... The either delete it... Or greenify it... Or use one of the receiver kill programs (autostarts/system tuner) to kill it
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Battery life - how to increase it
Maqical said:
It would really help to know what rom you're using, not all of them (personally) have I got great battery life..
Not sure if you're a aosp guy, or like sense.. but if you're using a sense rom, WCX roms have got me the best battery life I've seen on the vivid.. and the vivid isn't too great with battery at all.
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You must be a lucky one, since my HTC Vivid has horrendous battery life, as did my old Samsung Galaxy S1. I've heard the garbage from AT&T, HTC and Samsung where it's just everyone's imagination, the batteries have great life and Never overheat. I have my Vivid for a year and a half and have gone thru 5 batteries, each one lasting less than 5 ones. The Galaxy had the body replaced 3 times and had the same battery issues.
Yes, they are both 4+ inches in screen size and they will not get smaller for smartphones/mini-computers. I don't know which rom it's running, but the kernel is 3.0.16-gf59f9ce 7-25-2012, Android 4.0.3, HTC Sense 3.6. Can someone please give an answer that has some possible real-time solutions? Thanks!
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You must be a lucky one, since my HTC Vivid has horrendous battery life, as did my old Samsung Galaxy S1. I've heard the garbage from AT&T, HTC and Samsung where it's just everyone's imagination, the batteries have great life and Never overheat. I have my Vivid for a year and a half and have gone thru 5 batteries, each one lasting less than 5 ones. The Galaxy had the body replaced 3 times and had the same battery issues.
Yes, they are both 4+ inches in screen size and they will not get smaller for smartphones/mini-computers. I don't know which rom it's running, but the kernel is 3.0.16-gf59f9ce 7-25-2012, Android 4.0.3, HTC Sense 3.6. Can someone please give an answer that has some possible real-time solutions? Thanks!
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It all depends how my vivid is liking me that day or not, I have days where I ran through 5 battery in a single day..
and Sometimes it gets hot on me, are you on stock rom? did you unlock your bootloader? I recommend a WCX rom if you're using 4.0.3 and like sense.. google wcx illuminati you'll find it.. (WildChild asks not to direct link to his site) and follow his instructions.
If you need more help, PM me, and we can set up a gtalk or something and help you get settled.
Battery
The battery on my vivid is the same, i use juice defender but still if i start to use my data plan it will die within an hour and a half, it also heats up if i start to use several apps at a time. I have already replaced the battey once.

Droid 4 randomly shutting down!!!

So this is driving me crazy, and I'm not sure if it's a hardware problem or a software problem. Hopefully someone could give me some insight.
So about 2 months ago I installed CM 11 on my Droid 4 and it was my first time doing a custom ROM on an android device. I was extremely satisfied with the results of this as it improved my phone to a well optimized 4.4.2 and making my phone significantly faster compared to stock.
However, for the past 2-3 weeks my phone has become a completely broken mess. For starters the phone gave me strange battery statistics. When turned off and plugged in, the phone would read as 100%, but when I booted in CM 11 the battery would be at 60% and would every so often the phone would jump from 60% to about 15% in literally seconds. The phone shuts down during usage constantly, usually when the battery reads at <60%. Before it does so "Android System" would open up on the screen and immediately close then the phone will read "Shutting down..." sometimes doing so immediately after the boot screen. This became very infuriating so I loaded up stock to see if the same problem occurs. Sure enough, it did. However, before shutting down, the phone would keep going into cooldown mode multiple times. Sometimes it would cool down for only a few seconds, sometimes it would be in cooldown mode for up to 2-3 mins. With that information could someone please tell me what I can do? Do I need a new battery or a new ROM? or do I need a new phone all together? Thanks in advance.
Hi,
I have recently encountered this myself on stock ROM. The past few days were very hot and my Droid 4 shut down after going into cooldown mode when I used it for multiple tasks at the same time (browsing, bluetooth, music, etc.). It wouldn't even turn back on until it cooled down. My money is on the battery, I'm planning to swap it out tomorrow and let you know how it goes.
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Could be battery, but I would reinstall ROM first.
If you want can try just ROM install, no data wipe, no gapps.
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sd_shadow said:
Could be battery, but I would reinstall ROM first.
If you want can try just ROM install, no data wipe, no gapps.
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It should be worth noting that once i started to notice the problem, I thought it was an issue in the latest snapshot for CM 11. It made sense as I had recently installed it. So I wiped the rom slot clean and went from M7 back to M6 and the problem still occurred.
nagim said:
Hi,
I have recently encountered this myself on stock ROM. The past few days were very hot and my Droid 4 shut down after going into cooldown mode when I used it for multiple tasks at the same time (browsing, bluetooth, music, etc.). It wouldn't even turn back on until it cooled down. My money is on the battery, I'm planning to swap it out tomorrow and let you know how it goes.
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Thanks man. I'd appreciate that.
Mr Boourns said:
Thanks man. I'd appreciate that.
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I swapped the battery this morning, I have 1-2 lying around just in case.
I charged it to full and noticed that the device was not as hot during charging than before.
After this, I did some browsing and run a full AnTuTu benchmark and the Droid remained fairly cool.
So I think it's safe to say that it's the battery that tends to overheat the device.
I was on stock ROM.
nagim said:
I swapped the battery this morning, I have 1-2 lying around just in case.
I charged it to full and noticed that the device was not as hot during charging than before.
After this, I did some browsing and run a full AnTuTu benchmark and the Droid remained fairly cool.
So I think it's safe to say that it's the battery that tends to overheat the device.
I was on stock ROM.
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Thx for looking into it for me. I just threw down $30 on a new battery over amazon. So I'll let you know if it works once I get it.
Update: Just installed the new battery. Gonna leave it on the charger and await further results.
Update 2: The new battery is working great so far. Only got it to as low as 50% as of now so can't say it's a perfect fix just yet.
Mr Boourns said:
Update: Just installed the new battery. Gonna leave it on the charger and await further results.
Update 2: The new battery is working great so far. Only got it to as low as 50% as of now so can't say it's a perfect fix just yet.
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Good to hear it! I used mine for a full day, I'm not saying the device is freezing cold now, but feels cooler and no shutdowns due to heat. Also seems like that some applications tend to heat things up better than others (TuneIn and UC Browser for example). Anyway, let's hope this prolong the life of our phones, I would hate to be without the keyboard.

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