Hey guys, I used this search function, together with Google, but I can't seem to find any information, I know there was a thread like that, but I can't find it... So sorry if someone is annoyed ^^
(32GB 3G)
So I got my nexus 7 for a few weeks now, and four days ago it started to smell burned while charging... After this smell, battery life seems weird.. MAX. Stats are a few hours standby time (10) (lost 1% per hour with everything turned off) and 3-4 hours screen time until its discharged.. Before that, max stats were 1 day and 6-7 screen on time...
While charging, I am now smelling like a dog around my tablet and charger (which scares some people around me) but it doesn't smell anymore, and its charging properly.
So I'm not sure, if it REALLY is broken, or its just something I'm telling myself .. Because to be honest, if the battery would be screwed it should smell again and should charge like hell, or slow as a snail.., but charging is fine, like day one..,
I'm searching for people who had a smelling nexus 7 and what they've done.., and what consequences they had...
Thank you in advance
P.S.:To help myself, I'll charge it full (again) and make a MANUAL (fastboot) factory reset, maybe this helps... And also I can say it can't be an app, because I use the same I used when I bought it... So ^^
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium
Oh, and I'm 100% Stock, and I never dropped it..
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium
fushla said:
Oh, and I'm 100% Stock, and I never dropped it..
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Where did you get the device from? It may be worth just swapping it if you purchased from the Play Store.
dstryrwiz said:
Where did you get the device from? It may be worth just swapping it if you purchased from the Play Store.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Got it from Media Markt, but its an act to get there, (for me) since I got no car ^^ its insured also... So I'll get a replacement for sure, but maybe I don't have to... I had a lot devices which smelled weird once but worked for years... So, maybe it just sucked too much power once.. The problem is, I can't live without this tablet so maybe I'll call MM and ask if they have one in stock to get.. But again, maybe I don't have to.. That's why I'm searching "smelling" people
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
fushla said:
Got it from Media Markt, but its an act to get there, (for me) since I got no car ^^ its insured also... So I'll get a replacement for sure, but maybe I don't have to... I had a lot devices which smelled weird once but worked for years... So, maybe it just sucked too much power once.. The problem is, I can't live without this tablet so maybe I'll call MM and ask if they have one in stock to get.. But again, maybe I don't have to.. That's why I'm searching "smelling" people
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You must have some Labrador or Blood Hound in your DNA to be able to smell your devices charging lol.
On a serious note, have you tried watching the temps of the CPU and battery while its charging?
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD
CharliesTheMan said:
You must have some Labrador or Blood Hound in your DNA to be able to smell your devices charging lol.
On a serious note, have you tried watching the temps of the CPU and battery while its charging?
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yup, everything was normal.. This is what scares me I did a factory reset now... After setting everything up, (open all installed apps, go through settings, sync, update apps, setting the phone up in general, one reboot), I lost 2%, which is average ^^ I'm testing now.. But its confusing
Edit: and while charging, it didn't smell... This is weird...
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
fushla said:
Hey guys, I used this search function, together with Google, but I can't seem to find any information, I know there was a thread like that, but I can't find it... So sorry if someone is annoyed ^^
(32GB 3G)
So I got my nexus 7 for a few weeks now, and four days ago it started to smell burned while charging... After this smell, battery life seems weird.. MAX. Stats are a few hours standby time (10) (lost 1% per hour with everything turned off) and 3-4 hours screen time until its discharged.. Before that, max stats were 1 day and 6-7 screen on time...
While charging, I am now smelling like a dog around my tablet and charger (which scares some people around me) but it doesn't smell anymore, and its charging properly.
So I'm not sure, if it REALLY is broken, or its just something I'm telling myself .. Because to be honest, if the battery would be screwed it should smell again and should charge like hell, or slow as a snail.., but charging is fine, like day one..,
I'm searching for people who had a smelling nexus 7 and what they've done.., and what consequences they had...
Thank you in advance
P.S.:To help myself, I'll charge it full (again) and make a MANUAL (fastboot) factory reset, maybe this helps... And also I can say it can't be an app, because I use the same I used when I bought it... So ^^
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Going by your description of the problem, I would be leaning towards strongly suspecting that a component has (or is in the process of) burning out.
Does your Nexus smell when you charge it on either a different charger or PC USB port? If not then it may just be the charger is going bad - which in the big picture is no biggie (better the charger than the Nexus)
If on the other hand, the Nexus smells regardless of where you charge it, I would be seriously considering a warranty claim fairly soon. It may have been a freak occurance, but ultimately it has the potential to have drastically reduced the overall lifespan of your device - even if absolute failure has not occured.
Obviously it's your call buddy, but it shouldn't have happened in the first instance, and i'd be a bit paranoid that it could be a sign of worse to come.
hundred_miles_high said:
Going by your description of the problem, I would be leaning towards strongly suspecting that a component has (or is in the process of) burning out.
Does your Nexus smell when you charge it on either a different charger or PC USB port? If not then it may just be the charger is going bad - which in the big picture is no biggie (better the charger than the Nexus)
If on the other hand, the Nexus smells regardless of where you charge it, I would be seriously considering a warranty claim fairly soon. It may have been a freak occurance, but ultimately it has the potential to have drastically reduced the overall lifespan of your device - even if absolute failure has not occured.
Obviously it's your call buddy, but it shouldn't have happened in the first instance, and i'd be a bit paranoid that it could be a sign of worse to come.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The charger was my second thought.. I don't trust these things ^^
Right after this smell accident I unplugged it, and now I'm using a new socket to charge on. No smelling on laptop and the new socket... But if the old socket was the reason, then maybe when I use it the next time it will go up in flames, or my nexus does.. I'm going to watch out the next days, if any weird behavior is going on I'm going to replace it... But one thing I won't do: charge it overnight
I'm going to check the old socket.. But I need to go into my room, I don't want others to see me smelling lol
Edit: no burned smell...
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
Sooo, a little info for you and me.
After the full wipe yesterday, I'm on 28% left, with 24h standby, and 5h 48m display time, which is normal for me.. So it seems that the battery is fine (again?)
I'm going to charge it now, and as always, I'm running around the socket, charger and tablet.. I'll edit the post with the info after the full charge..
EDIT: no smelling after & while charging..
I assume it really was the socket I charged on, which I now toss into the trash..
Thanks to everyone who answered
And if I get weird behavior I'll send it in ^^
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium
Related
I was using a wifi tether on my phone running PCForce's CM7 and my phone restarted (it was connected to my PC via USB) and when it came back on it said "Charging 0%" and whenever I unplug it it switches off, never seen this before but it seems, to me, like the battery has been fried anyone think the same.
I also have a spare battery that works fine, which also tells me that it is some problem with the battery, and running a wifi tether can heat things up a bit which brought me to that conclusion.
Anyone wanna throw any ideas on if its possible to fix it, I am now using the battery that came with the phone but it has a crack near the contacts which doesn't fill me with confidence.
delsus said:
I was using a wifi tether on my phone running PCForce's CM7 and my phone restarted (it was connected to my PC via USB) and when it came back on it said "Charging 0%" and whenever I unplug it it switches off, never seen this before but it seems, to me, like the battery has been fried anyone think the same.
I also have a spare battery that works fine, which also tells me that it is some problem with the battery, and running a wifi tether can heat things up a bit which brought me to that conclusion.
Anyone wanna throw any ideas on if its possible to fix it, I am now using the battery that came with the phone but it has a crack near the contacts which doesn't fill me with confidence.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
try with 600 mHz it solved the problem for me
With mobile data and Wifi tethering enabled, my phone can get up to 52 degrees celsius in some cases without charging. I usually turn the phone off and take out the battery for a few minutes for it to cool down. I guess a temperature that high is caused by overclocking. I'm not sure if its damaging or not but I do prevent progression of operations in that temperature.
I also have a crack on the battery. Had it for a few months now and no problems so far
How 'cracked' is it?
jhonnyx1000 said:
With mobile data and Wifi tethering enabled, my phone can get up to 52 degrees celsius in some cases without charging. I usually turn the phone off and take out the battery for a few minutes for it to cool down. I guess a temperature that high is caused by overclocking. I'm not sure if its damaging or not but I do prevent progression of operations in that temperature.
I also have a crack on the battery. Had it for a few months now and no problems so far
How 'cracked' is it?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Its only about half a centemeter long, and it only seems to be affecting the case, but got a replacement last year (was the repacement that got fried)
Havent tried it with andreas's advice yet but I will
delsus said:
Its only about half a centemeter long, and it only seems to be affecting the case, but got a replacement last year (was the repacement that got fried)
Havent tried it with andreas's advice yet but I will
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't think the crack will be that much of a problem. If you want, you could take it to someone experienced just to be sure.
jhonnyx1000 said:
I don't think the crack will be that much of a problem. If you want, you could take it to someone experienced just to be sure.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It shouldnt, but I like to be sure lol.
Also setting to 600MHz didn't help, guess i'm stuck with my stock one for now.
wow, good job. Yep, mine charges up to 100% before the crack. After that battery hardly charges up to 97-98%.
I have crack to, but battery go to 100. Btw, i glue mine with tape.
Sent using Tt.
my battery didnt passed 99% but i do wipe battey and solved the problem
delsus said:
I was using a wifi tether on my phone running PCForce's CM7 and my phone restarted (it was connected to my PC via USB) and when it came back on it said "Charging 0%" and whenever I unplug it it switches off, never seen this before but it seems, to me, like the battery has been fried anyone think the same.
I also have a spare battery that works fine, which also tells me that it is some problem with the battery, and running a wifi tether can heat things up a bit which brought me to that conclusion.
Anyone wanna throw any ideas on if its possible to fix it, I am now using the battery that came with the phone but it has a crack near the contacts which doesn't fill me with confidence.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have 4 gt540 and all the batteries cracked the same way also another lg phone w550 cracked the same way this batteries with the hard plastic sucks all of them crack cause the cheap plastic cover
Sent from my LG-P920 using xda premium
wow 4 gt540s? O_O lol i left mine to charge over night at 40% and in the morning its 30% O_O the phone shows that it dint charge at all WTF but im sure it was before i turned in for the night >_> after that the batt levels jumped around the whole day before dying during school (damn) now im at home charging the phone and i think it has problems again... not chargers fault my bro just used it...
bs828 said:
wow 4 gt540s? O_O lol i left mine to charge over night at 40% and in the morning its 30% O_O the phone shows that it dint charge at all WTF but im sure it was before i turned in for the night >_> after that the batt levels jumped around the whole day before dying during school (damn) now im at home charging the phone and i think it has problems again... not chargers fault my bro just used it...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Erase batt stats. That also hapends to me. Charged batt. All nite and shows 50% but if i reboot it will show 100%
Sent from my LG-P920 using xda premium
na its really that much. reboot and still same as good as no charge at all :/ but now its ok after rom change >_>
In 2 batteries that i have they also made the same crack in the same place.. :/
oyanezg said:
Erase batt stats. That also hapends to me. Charged batt. All nite and shows 50% but if i reboot it will show 100%
Sent from my LG-P920 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
well it's look like the rom's fault,change rom maybe work
My battery cracked as well, but it has been dropped a few times...
It is a real shame because my previous LG phone was the LG Viewty and that was an amazingly well built phone. Cost ~£100 and came with an amazing camera and 3G front facing camera too. Shame it didn't have android. So I don't know why LG decided to go really cheap on the build qualities - you'd think having cracked batteries would have come up in their design tests but they probably didn't care...
I got the same trouble...
Papu Singh, sent via lg gt 540
my battery drop very fast :crying:
My batery works about 1 day with deep sleep and oc 744mhz ;d
Hi everyone, I've experienced a problem in these last days.
Using google I found a guy who had my same problem, as it appears in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZQ-hbAClvE&feature=player_embedded
Never happened before I changed battery (I had the one given with the note, but last week I put another one of the two I bought, always by Samsung). One should be actually damaged because it gave me not only this problem, but several messages on screen like "battery disconnected". With the other one I started using today everything was fine until it arrived to 11% - it's not reliable though because I didn't make in time to calibrate the battery - and then it start flickering and shutted down.
Anybody know anything about this?!
I also have the same problem, I've read that should be normal, and it does not occur with some batteries. It should be due to the power supply
AleksZ86 said:
I also have the same problem, I've read that should be normal, and it does not occur with some batteries. It should be due to the power supply
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
so there's nothing to worry about? because it happened to me 3 times and twice the Note asked me to change the time, since it was resetted to 1/1/2000... and it didn't sound normal to me :/
I saw this, too, just before my Note had major filesystem corruption. I can't think of any other reason for it. I wrote it all up over in the Q&A section.
Sent from my GT-N7000 using xda app-developers app
Not adding a solution, just more info for diagnosis: My phone gets this when I'm down to 2% and using a cheapo gold battery off eBay. So maybe battery-quality is something to do with it.
As far as I know, it doesn't happen when I use the official battery.
Scared me the first few times, but it's happened five times and not damaged my Note in any way (although naturally I turn it off, give it a minute, and then start charging it back up).
well, I really hope this has nothing to do with battery quality because I bought them as ORIGINAL batteries! but they could be fake though, that's why it would be interesting to check some kind of serial to let us know if they're official or just fakes. In this case I would ask for the refund and use the old battery...
about the file system corruption, could be the battery the cause of that? because until the day I've used my original battery I haven't experienced any of these issues, so that's why I relate the battery to the problem of flickering... and that's why I don't absolutely want this junk to power my Note!
I didn't had that problem until I switched to Hydracore kernel. Now it flickers violently even under 20 % battery.
Sent from my GT-N7000 using xda app-developers app
gnotelover97 said:
I didn't had that problem until I switched to Hydracore kernel. Now it flickers violently even under 20 % battery.
Sent from my GT-N7000 using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's when mine flickered, too, and I got my corruption.
Sent from my GT-N7000 using xda app-developers app
Same here.i bought my galaxy about 2 weeks ago.so its fresh. Most of the time when battry drops to 2 or 1% the screen colors going weird and finally a flashing of screen then boom going off.
Its abviously from battry voltage.
Dont forget the screen is amoled.this behavior might be from this kind of technology.
Anyway nothing wrong here so far....
Sent from my GT-N7000 using xda app-developers app
Same here. I have two Hyperion batteries and the screen flickers when the battery is about to die. I've noticed it also does this on the OEM battery as well.
Didn't do this on Gingerbread just on ICS.
StefanoDurden said:
Anybody know anything about this?!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Moved To Q&A
Its a question, so belongs in the Q&A section.
Your Note would flicker because it's trying to get more juice out on a a battery that is almost about to ran out...
Moreover, a cheapo replacement battery or an original one that has been wrongly calibrated before would also have this kind of a symptom.
original_ganjaman said:
Moved To Q&A
Its a question, so belongs in the Q&A section.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm sorry, you're right... thanks for moving the post, I'll be more careful!
I don't get it:
Yesterday night the phone was in airplane mode with a 60-70% charge.
This morning the phone is dead, and I needed to charge it again; after 10 minutes I switched on the device and... voilà, the battery level is 50%. WTF?!
I think I'll stay a couple of days more with this battery and then go back with my old one, asking the seller for a refund for both batteries.
Flickers on mine too.
I assumed it was normal.
Ye isnt it normal?
_______
via GT-n7000 using XDA-Elite App
Dude send your note to samsung service. Had the same situation. I send mine and they said that my battery port is grounded. My battery also became bloated. They will channge my motherboard for warranty.. hope i helped
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using xda premium
dead
My N7000 battery just died with the same symptoms. Damn, I hate samsung! :crying:
I can barely hear the sound of PWM charger for 5 seconds, and then just popping sound for about a minute-three! It's a dead cycle
i also experience that problem when i bought a new battery..but after few days it was gone..
suggest getting your note to service center better.
I reciveved my phone yesterday and after playing with it for a few hours I charged it last night and noticed it became hot to the touch in a few minutes of being plugged in. Like burn your hand hot and there was a bit of a hot plastic smell coming off it. I unplugged it let it rest. Today I have no usb access to it. No adb, no fastboot. Lsusb shows no devices etc.
randomblame said:
I reciveved my phone yesterday and after playing with it for a few hours I charged it last night and noticed it became hot to the touch in a few minutes of being plugged in. Like burn your hand hot and there was a bit of a hot plastic smell coming off it. I unplugged it let it rest. Today I have no usb access to it. No adb, no fastboot. Lsusb shows no devices etc.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Xplodwild tweeted out the other day about issue with USB charging similar to this. Does the same happen when AC charging?
Is this problem similar to this guy?
Watch out for overheating!
seems to be a similar issue - it was very hot on the back side just below the camera especially I'm just afraid it got too hot and something was damaged.
This explains why google was pushing their bumpers instead of a full case I can't imagine a case would be good for this things thermal characteristics.
This happened while charging via ac when charging via usb it just seems to hold steady at whatever level the battery was.
Just out of interest, what surface did you leave it on all night?
Manipulas said:
Just out of interest, what surface did you leave it on all night?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I left it on a wooden desk for 5 to 10 minutes it didn't take long
It is no longer charging. I can't get it back to stock to rma I'm not happy :crying:
Woah, all other nexus 4 problems aside, this one is quite serious.
Just imagine what would have happened if you'd have left it on a easily flammable surface and wouldn't have noticed the heat. Worst case scenario might have been a fire or something like that.
If this really is a common problem (I've already seen at least two people reporting similar issues), we might see a big recall campaign quite soon.
I guess you don't really want the LiPo battery in your phone burst like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3o_2mwRPdw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Maybe Google should start to sell these bags instead of the bumper
Where you using the provided USB-AC adapter?
I know that my friends GS2 and GS3 got really hot when using my playbook wall charger (rated at 5v ~1.8A) :S
Heard of similiar issues with nexus 7, but the one I'm aware of is still charging.
I haven't experienced this issue yet?
I contacted google play they were quite happy to send me a replacement. Aparently they held back stock in case of a need for returns. HOWEVER they tried to charge an authorization hold on my account in the ammount of $350 I DONT HAVE ANY DAMNED MONEY I JUST SPENT IT on their ****! The only other option they said was to return it for a refund and wait a large number of weeks for orders to open up again or send it directly to LG for the same treatment ?!? I'm PISSED. The guy said that this was not the first case he'd heard of like mine didn't even ask any questions except for the serial number - I'd expect that there are going to be quite a few issues like this.
crachel said:
Is this problem similar to this guy?
Watch out for overheating!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, sounds like my problem. Was your microUSB port also loose/creaky like mine? I got Google to RMA me a new one. It's a shame, I love this phone and this one has no give on the screen whatsoever and no rattle. The port though and the screen flicker are another story...
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda app-developers app
I don't have screen flicker yet and the port isn't lose I'm thinking somebody cut some corners on the voltage regulation
randomblame said:
HOWEVER they tried to charge an authorization hold on my account in the ammount of $350 I DONT HAVE ANY DAMNED MONEY I JUST SPENT IT on their ****!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Damn, I guess this is sorta good news for all the folks (myself included) whose banks dropped the authorization, haven't had Google recharge us, and have the phone in hand.
I have got a swollen battery.My note is 1 year old.It gets switched off immediately after the logo appears but somtimes works okay.I am on an asop rom.Is it the battery or the rom?
Sent from my GT-N7100 using xda premium
jayOverkill said:
I have got a swollen battery.My note is 1 year old.It gets switched off immediately after the logo appears but somtimes works okay.I am on an asop rom.Is it the battery or the rom?
Sent from my GT-N7100 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is the most common thing now. I have seen that the stock batteries are not lasting more than a year.
Just go ahead and buy a new battery. It surely is not the ROM
Is it gona blast or something? Lol coz I really need to use that phone untill new battery comes
Sent from my GT-N7100 using xda premium
Same thing happened with me 2 months back. U need a battery change. I changed my battey and my phone is ok.
Sent from my GT-N7000 using xda app-developers app
Buy A new battery & everything will become normal
The same has happened with me. My Note is 13 Months old.
I was playing game AVP Evolution till late night. And in the morning battery died, I charged it to full 100% but as soon as i boot up with in 4 second the phone again switched off , No battery low warning nothing. It is really strange but the fact is that the Samsung battery are just die completely all of a sudden, unlike other phones battery which dies gradually as it looses power and all that ........
I ordered a new battery & everything is fine now.
My old battery is unable to boot my phone even for 5 sec.
I am running my note on the swollen battery for about 8 hours now xP.Sometimes it switch off as soon as I turn it on but rest of the time it runs just fine.Anyways I ordered a new battery.
Sent from my GT-N7100 using xda premium
jayOverkill said:
Is it gona blast or something? Lol coz I really need to use that phone untill new battery comes
Sent from my GT-N7100 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
likeliness of it "blasting"... not very likely.. possibility of it "blasting".. it is possible..
batteries just go bad... a battery is only solid for around 500 charges then they just start losing their charge faster. i mean we are using small computers so this is just going to happen more and more. different reasons could cause this.... use of phone (it is what its designed to do..lol), a "cell" could just go bad causing the swelling, the circuitry in the battery fails causing the swelling, your charger goes bad and takes the battery with it (i had a cat bite thru a cable and it ground out..next day the battery showed signs of swelling and within a week you couldnt snap the battery cover on)... etc....
use is up to the user and their needs... there is a danger of the battery shorting the phone out totally and it never working again too. its not something that happens often but it is a solid possibility, so basically use good judgement...
it's usually caused by over charged (u don't unplug the charger when it reach 100%).
I've been using my Note more than a year and my battery still flat as it is new.
razgard said:
it's usually caused by over charged (u don't unplug the charger when it reach 100%).
I've been using my Note more than a year and my battery still flat as it is new.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i beg to differ... the batteries have smart circuitry to protect against this. overcharging has not been a problem for years... i personally have left one of my notes on charge for days... it always stays on charge for 5-6 hrs past it being 100% and it still is a strong battery.. also just because a battery is flat doesnt mean its good... the swelling just makes the fact it is going bad more obvious...
I agree with kawgirl
Sent from my GT-N7100 using xda premium
Hi,
My IncS has started playing up over the past week or so.
Every night now, when I get up in the morning I have to remove the battery from the phone and power it back up as it has totally frozen.
Another weird thing is the battery is normally really drained once I have it powered back up. Doesn't have any problems during the day at all, never freezes or anything but overnight when it is plugged in to charge,it dies.
I've tried replacing the battery (I had a spare) as it only happens when mains charging and, like I said, when it is turned back on the battery is substantially lower then when it was plugged in but that didn't help.
I tried totally wiping the phone and installing a new ROM (szeszo's lovely new cyanogen with his Tesco kernal) and it is still happening...
Anyone else experienced this? Any idea what's caused it? And finally, does anyone know a way I can do so kind of logs about what is going on?
Thanks...
I had the same issue too. Was USB connector related. Had to sent my device to htc repair
Sent from my HTC Incredible S using xda app-developers app
Interesting! Maybe I'll have it apart and resolder the connections... see if that helps. Thanks for the info
dannyfranks76 said:
Interesting! Maybe I'll have it apart and resolder the connections... see if that helps. Thanks for the info
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Try a different USB cable on the charger
Sent from my HTC Incredible S using xda app-developers app
Unfortunately it didn't turn out to be the USB port or cable. Thanks for the suggestions though.
It started freezing when it wasn't plugged in at all and it was doing my nut in...
Yesterday I bought a Note 2 and it gets delivered today. I know, it's huge and I'll probably end up selling it on when I get fed up of having to carry it round in a wheel barrow
It is such a damn shame to be putting the IncS to sleep at last. It's been a damn good phone for a long time (probably the longest I've ever used 1 phone for!). Somehow I can't imaging the Note being as well made as this was. The moment HTC do a Nexus phone I'll be selling whatever I have and buying up cos that will be awesome.
Anyway, guess I'll be off to the Note forums now.
Later guys, and thanks...