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I have a rooted NC with stock 1.1 firmware. Im just wondering what's gonna happen when the 1.2 update comes down? Will have to re-root it? If I do then I guess we'll have to wait until someone figures it out and produces a new boot image right? If so then I might not update until that's figured out.
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I have a rooted NC with stock 1.1 firmware. Im just wondering what's gonna happen when the 1.2 update comes down? Will have to re-root it? If I do then I guess we'll have to wait until someone figures it out and produces a new boot image right? If so then I might not update until that's figured out.
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If you don't do anything, it will update and break root and you will have to wait till that is rooted, HOWEVER! There are tutorials out there that have step-by-step on how to disable the updater, if that's what you want.
If I disable the updater, is it simple to re-enable later when the new rooting process has been figured out?
I would like to know also. Since the new update is supposed to come out by the end of the month I just thought I would keep WiFi off at all times until I researched the best solution.
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If you don't do anything, it will update and break root and you will have to wait till that is rooted, HOWEVER! There are tutorials out there that have step-by-step on how to disable the updater, if that's what you want.
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Will 3rd party Apps you've purchased still be present on the device and usable?
Apparently, you just have to rename /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip to /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip.bak
Some people seem to have still gotten updates after renaming though. It's a little vague and some of the info might be outdated. This could potentially throw a wrench in a lot of people's tablets.
Your purchased apps are stored by google. Yes they will still be there. I actually had purchased items from my phone show up on my book...quick download and good to go.
Now, after an update, you may lose them until it's rooted again...
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yeah, if you let the update go through, I can almost say for sure you'll lose access to the apps until you root again and probably redownload them)
To be safe get "Titanium Backup" and Purchase it's ProKey from the Market. Using it you can Batch Backup your Apps and App Data. Then if anything happens you can always Recover your Apps. (Batch Restore needs Pro Key)
For help using Titanium Backup read this Lifehacker article:
http://ca.lifehacker.com/5784857/how-to-set-up-a-fully-automated-app-and-settings-backup-on-android
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If i update it breaks root will I still be able to use the apps that don't require superuser? Meaning can I still use what apps are already in the Nook
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So I got the 217 OTA release today on my D4. Anyone else? Seems good so far.
--Randall
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So I got the 217 OTA release today on my D4. Anyone else? Seems good so far.
--Randall
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It is not available on mine yet.
I got the email, but never got the update. My phone died around lunch and I didn't have a charger until after 5p. I'm wondering if I missed a window.
640k said:
I got the email, but never got the update. My phone died around lunch and I didn't have a charger until after 5p. I'm wondering if I missed a window.
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Yeah, I never asked to be on a soak test or anything... so I dunno if I was just randomly chosen or if it was released today... I suppose it doesn't really matter. Either way, it's pretty nice I guess A bit late given the fact that JB is the 'new hotness' now
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Yeah, I never asked to be on a soak test or anything... so I dunno if I was just randomly chosen or if it was released today... I suppose it doesn't really matter. Either way, it's pretty nice I guess A bit late given the fact that JB is the 'new hotness' now
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JB doesn't really mean anything. it's an incremental update and I'd be willing to bet some devs whip together a ROM with it included. There's still a chance we'll get it officially for our phone. A SLIGHT chance, but because its only an incremental update, with no new real requirements, it's a decent possibility.
Moto originally committed to 18 months of updates. We basically have until late next year to get it. By then, Klondike will be out and everyone will hate.
I got the update for mine but didnt do it. Mainly because I am rooted and wanted to see if I can first. Only thing I did was root so I can use wifi teather. I left everything else alone. I used to put diff roms in my original droid and got sick of setting it up again.
Were you rooted when you did the update? If so did was there any issues?
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I got the update for mine but didnt do it. Mainly because I am rooted and wanted to see if I can first. Only thing I did was root so I can use wifi teather. I left everything else alone. I used to put diff roms in my original droid and got sick of setting it up again.
Were you rooted when you did the update? If so did was there any issues?
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I'm not the OP, but I was rooted using the MotoFail exploit and the update applied without issue. I did have to re-acquire root with Razr's Edge, however, but that was painless.
prowler9 said:
I got the update for mine but didnt do it. Mainly because I am rooted and wanted to see if I can first. Only thing I did was root so I can use wifi teather. I left everything else alone. I used to put diff roms in my original droid and got sick of setting it up again.
Were you rooted when you did the update? If so did was there any issues?
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I am rooted... I used OTA Rootkeeper to backup and restore root afterwards. I made sure to update the su binary as well from the superuser application as I had read some horror stories about people who lost root and couldn't get it back due to outdated superuser.apk and/or su binaries.
Additionally, my first attempt to install failed... I believe it was because I had added lines to loadpreinstalls.sh and mount_ext3.sh in /system/bin to ensure that the 'adb always root' local.prop file and the su binary was copied back into /data/ and /system/bin respectively every time I booted in case I lost root somehow. I had to remove the extra lines and then start over.
--Randall
Historically, how long before the update is widespread? My phone doesn't see it yet.
Folks, just an FYI.
The full XML.zip of fastboot images for this build has already been released in the development section by Skrillaz_CZ.
This not only means that you dont have to wait for the update at all, but also that we have the best safeguard against any mishaps from modding and flashing possible. You can recover your phone to the current release build no matter what happens using RSD Lite or the fastboot binary and ADB.
Incredibly quick work by Skrillax_CZ to pull this off their server right away like this!
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So I got the 217 OTA release today on my D4. Anyone else? Seems good so far.
--Randall
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Was this a previously owned device? An eBay or other like new used device?
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I am very sorry for what is certainly a stupid question, but if it is any consolation I DID search and read through threads until my head hurt prior to posting.
1) What is the best way to apply the new OTA 4.2 update for those with rooted Nexus 7 tablet.
With the 4.1.2 update, I blindly installed the OTA update when prompted and didnt realize there was a problem until i tried to access my stickmount USB drive. Luckily the nexus 7 was still unlocked so I didn't need to wipe everything. All i did was re-root it using Nexus Root Toolkit v. 1.5.4. and was back up and running. Is this going to be the same experience with the 4.2 update?
I have installed Voodoo OTA Root keeper v2.0.3 - is this a better route for upgrade instead of re-rooting via the Nexus Toolkit? And if so, how should I use it (do know much about the app).?
2) Is stickmount going to work? And if not, is there a good working alternative for streaming mkv h264 movies to MXPlayer (or other player)?
The main reason I rooted was to access a USB drive for playing movies, TV shows while traveling. We are heading off to Cabo for Thanksgiving and definitely want to be able to access and play movies from my stickmount'ed usb drive. Any suggestions ? Should I just wait to update - and if so is there any way to get the Nexus to stop prompting to install the update all the time?
Thanks in advance to anyone willing to have pity on me...
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I am very sorry for what is certainly a stupid question, but if it is any consolation I DID search and read through threads until my head hurt prior to posting.
1) What is the best way to apply the new 4.2 update for those with rooted Nexus 7 tablet.
With the 4.1.2 update, I blindly installed the OTA update when prompted and didnt realize there was a problem until i tried to access my stickmount USB drive. Luckily the nexus 7 was still unlocked so I didn't need to wipe everything. All i did was re-root it using Nexus Root Toolkit v. 1.5.4. and was back up and running. Is this going to be the same experience with the 4.2 update?
I have installed Voodoo OTA Root keeper v2.0.3 - is this a better route for upgrade instead of re-rooting via the Nexus Toolkit? And if so, how should I use it (do know much about the app).?
2) Is stickmount going to work?
The main reason I rooted was to access a USB drive for playing movies, TV shows while traveling. We are heading off to Cabo for Thanksgiving and definitely want to be able to access and play movies from my stickmount'ed usb drive. Any suggestions ? Should I just wait to update - and if so is there any way to get the Nexus to stop prompting to install the update all the time?
Thanks in advance to anyone willing to have pity on me...
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1) I just downloaded the OTA 4.2 .zip, copied it to my N7, ran CWM and flashed it. When it asked about keeping recovery and keeping root, I said "yes" and it worked without a problem!
2) Works for me.
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1) I just downloaded the OTA 4.2 .zip, copied it to my N7, ran CWM and flashed it. When it asked about keeping recovery and keeping root, I said "yes" and it worked without a problem!
2) Works for me.
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Sorry these answers need to be dumb'd down for me
1) If i already have the update downloaded via OTA trying to install itself, is it really easier/necessary to locate the zip you mention, copy it to the N7 (not sure where to copy) and run CWM (not sure what that is or where i get it or how to install it). Is there an easier way to accomplish the update? Perhaps setting the Voodoo Rootkeeper to preserve the root or temporarily unroot.. then just install the downloaded OTA update and then return the root? Or just installing the update and then running the re-root using the Nexus Toolkit (like I did with the 4.1.2 update)?
2) I would like to know more about how you avoided this issue described in this thread here with stickmount not functioning with v4.2 because of the new mulituser framework that causes it no longer to see files in the mounted folders.
Thanks for your help and to anyone else that chimes in... any help is appreciated. Again sorry for being stupid.
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Sorry these answers need to be dumb'd down for me
1) If i already have the update downloaded via OTA trying to install itself, is it really easier/necessary to locate the zip you mention, copy it to the N7 (not sure where to copy) and run CWM (not sure what that is or where i get it or how to install it). Is there an easier way to accomplish the update? Perhaps setting the Voodoo Rootkeeper to preserve the root or temporarily unroot.. then just install the downloaded OTA update and then return the root? Or just installing the update and then running the re-root using the Nexus Toolkit (like I did with the 4.1.2 update)?
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i tried with OTArootkeeper app. but it don't update.... at restart for installing, it gave a black screen with android in the middle, with a RED icon inside it...... then it restart and 4.1.2 is always there
Perhaps these questions are so rudimentary that they hardly seem worth bothering with - but for some of us, these hacks and the info being thrown around in here are pretty confusing at times. I would be very grateful to anyone with some insight willing to help out?.
i found that this could be a problem with recovery mode... infact if i tr y to restart in recovery, it gave the same error...
i rooted with toolbox, and i'm thinking that it could have removed my recovery... now i'd like to try to recover the stock recovery with the same tool... but i'm not sure about that.
We seem to have veered off topic a bit here (at least for me)... so let me re-post the questions and beg again for mercy from any kind soles who can offer some advice?
1) What is the best way to apply the new OTA 4.2 update for those with rooted Nexus 7 tablet?
With the 4.1.2 update, I blindly installed the OTA update when prompted and didnt realize there was a problem until i tried to access my stickmount USB drive. Luckily the nexus 7 was still unlocked so I didn't need to wipe everything. All i did was re-root it using Nexus Root Toolkit v. 1.5.4. and was back up and running. Is this going to be the same experience with the 4.2 update?
I have installed Voodoo OTA Root keeper v2.0.3 - is this a better route for upgrade instead of re-rooting via the Nexus Toolkit? And if so, how should I use it (do know much about the app).?
2) Is stickmount going to work? And if not, is there a good working alternative for streaming mkv h264 movies to MXPlayer (or other player)?
The main reason I rooted was to access a USB drive for playing movies, TV shows while traveling. We are heading off to Cabo for Thanksgiving and definitely want to be able to access and play movies from my stickmount'ed usb drive. Any suggestions ? Should I just wait to update - and if so is there any way to get the Nexus to stop prompting to install the update all the time?
Thanks in advance to anyone willing to have pity on me...
Bueller...... Bueller...... Bueller?
Hi! Last month I did the 4.1.2 OTA update. I was rooted but on stock. It updated with no problems. I used Voodoo OTA rootkeeper, restored the root, and either renistalled super su, or just updated the binary. Can't remember.....But I did lose my custom recovery. Didn't realize it till tonite when I went to do the 4.2 update.
So to your question. I forced the OTA 4.2 update. And it downloaded. I made sure voodoo rootkeeper was set to save the root. Then let it install. It rebooted. I opened voodoo, restored root, was asked to update super su binary, accepted. Still not rooted till I rebooted.
So far I have root, and am on 4.2 JB. So my goal was to get my custom recovery back on. Install goo manager from market. Open it, go to the settings button top right, it will give you the choice to install open recovery script. TWRP- Then it will ask you twice are you sure you want to do this and reboot? Say yes. Mine did not reboot and it looked like it did nothing. So, I flipped into recovery and Teamwinn recovery was installed. I made a backup, and rebooted.
Good luck!
Thanks for your help. Glad to hear that the OTA 4.2 update should go relatively painlessly (keeping root using voodoo rootkeeper). If you have a minute, I would be grateful if you can just briefly confirm, describe specifically what I need to be checking/configuring in Voodooo (not very familiar with the app) prior to initiating the OS update, I would feel a little more secure before pulling the trigger.
It appears that many apps are still catching up with their own updates, including apparently stickmount (the reason I rooted) to handle the new 4.2 framework so I am thinking best to hold off until after thanksgiving vacation before applying the update.
Thanks again.
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Thanks for your help. Glad to hear that the OTA 4.2 update should go relatively painlessly (keeping root using voodoo rootkeeper). If you have a minute, I would be grateful if you can just briefly confirm, describe specifically what I need to be checking/configuring in Voodooo (not very familiar with the app) prior to initiating the OS update, I would feel a little more secure before pulling the trigger.
It appears that many apps are still catching up with their own updates, including apparently stickmount (the reason I rooted) to handle the new 4.2 framework so I am thinking best to hold off until after thanksgiving vacation before applying the update.
Thanks again.
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Hi hinsdale,
Have you tried updating to 4.2 yet? Also i heard that if you update SuperSU to version 0.98 the latest version it could cause issues and you will have to reflash the device.
Thanks,
JBIRD
Thanks,
JBIRD
4.2 OTA already loaded, lost root
Hi, I have learned the hard way not to do the OTA upgrade. I just let the 4.2 OTA download when asked to. Now I lost my root that I had on my Nexus7 with 4.1.2. Still unlocked though. What can I do now to root it again and not lose all my apps and data?
I'm a newbie, so please remember that when responding. Thanks.
Hi hinsdale! I am not a techie- I just learn as I go and read, read, read.
So, my voodoo app has 4 checks in the boxes. I seem to remember only 3 boxes checked when I did the update, but I'm not sure. It would make sense that all are checked.
After I updated, I opened the voodoo app first, and there is a box that says restore root. Then it asked if I wanted to update the su binary. Did that, still not rooted according to Tit. BU. Rebooted, then I was rooted. Good luck with your update.
I'm sorry I can't tell you how to run the initial save root on voodoo. I did it a while ago and don't remember, but it was not hard. Very easy.. Just make sure you Read, re- read, and read again before you do any modifications to your tablet. Know the possible bad outcomes, and be prepared to trouble shoot. This site is very good about helping you out if things go wrong. That's why it's a very good idea to be aware of the possible bad outcomes. The only way to know is to READ-READ=READ!
Did I mention READ??? lol. That's how I figure stuff out. If you read about others mistakes, you can avoid them. I also wait a day or 2 to see how it goes for others before I attempt modifications. That includes new roms. You never know what goes wrong until someone is the guinea pig! I am not techie enough to be the guinea pig!
paulie7880 said:
Hi, I have learned the hard way not to do the OTA upgrade. I just let the 4.2 OTA download when asked to. Now I lost my root that I had on my Nexus7 with 4.1.2. Still unlocked though. What can I do now to root it again and not lose all my apps and data?
I'm a newbie, so please remember that when responding. Thanks.
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same thing here...I tried to use TWRM to flash SU but it seems that after going into recovery using TWRM I can't see any any file or folder on my SD except 3 folders???? Can someone please help us....
YOu will need to search the best way to root again.
How did you root initially?? You may have to do it that way again. Just make sure the method is compatible with 4.2 JB.
sashusmom said:
YOu will need to search the best way to root again.
How did you root initially?? You may have to do it that way again. Just make sure the method is compatible with 4.2 JB.
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Nexus Root Toolkit
The OTA update downloaded to my cache folder, I moved it to my sdcard. Wouldn't install since I had to fix a couple of files I had edited. So once those 2 files were fixed it installed just fine. Haven't had any issues yet.
The same on here...
But I guess it is better until they fix all this bugs they are reporting.
I'll wait until then.
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Updated to 4.2
Hi have updated the nexus to 4,2 and used Voodoo OTA Rootkeeper to keep my root followed the instructions as I did when updated to 4.1.2,my Nexus appears to be rooted superSu is working also stickmount sees the usb but it will not show any files on the sd card any help here please to get it to see the files on the sd card, thanks for your time
Nick
i dont post often as i am usually here looking for help. this time i get to help
i just downloaded and installed 4.2 OTA.
if your nexus was previously unlocked and rooted, it will download and install just fine. however you will lose root, but KEEP the unlocked state.
to root it again, you must goto "about tablet" and tap your build number 7 times to become a developer, this is not a troll, i got this info from another thread on xda.
then using the nexus root toolkit 1.5.4 with modeltype set to "android *.*.* any build", just do the root procedure.
reboot and ur in business, no need to update supersu, and busybox will still be installed already.
So every post seems to address only 5.3.1. I can't find a SINGLE thing about rooting the 2015 5th gen Fire that runs 5.3.2. Am I the only person not able to find answers? King Root cant unlock, I can't figure out a solution and I can't stand the interface.
Purchased this for my son and he won't even use it. And He's 5. If I can't load CM or another custom rom soon I'm gonna smash it. At least I will feel better afterwards! I HATE that companies do this. Please help!
you can downgrade and then you can root
Ubuntu_noobi said:
So every post seems to address only 5.3.1. I can't find a SINGLE thing about rooting the 2015 5th gen Fire that runs 5.3.2. Am I the only person not able to find answers? King Root cant unlock, I can't figure out a solution and I can't stand the interface.
Purchased this for my son and he won't even use it. And He's 5. If I can't load CM or another custom rom soon I'm gonna smash it. At least I will feel better afterwards! I HATE that companies do this. Please help!
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Fair bit of info on 5.3.2; sorry you couldn't find it. As for rooting simply roll back to 5.3.1 and then use the SuperTool to root (do not use Kingroot directly). See forum index in General thread for additional detail.
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Fair bit of info on 5.3.2; sorry you couldn't find it. As for rooting simply roll back to 5.3.1 and then use the SuperTool to root (do not use Kingroot directly). See forum index in General thread for additional detail.
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I've tried moving the factory update after downloading it to the DCIM, when trying to update, it states that you can't update because it's an older version of the os. Is it required to side load?
Ubuntu_noobi said:
I've tried moving the factory update after downloading it to the DCIM, when trying to update, it states that you can't update because it's an older version of the os.
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Wrong procedure. See forum index for details, in particular the first two posts in this thread.
Ubuntu_noobi said:
Is it required to side load?
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Yes.
So glad I found this post. Researching the same thing. Trying it out now
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yungskeeme01 said:
So glad I found this post. Researching the same thing. Trying it out now
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Any new info to share? I still haven't been able to figure it out
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Any new info to share? I still haven't been able to figure it out
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What exactly are you trying to "figure out"? Responded a few days ago with downgrade/rollback links which includes a step-by-step video.
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Any new info to share? I still haven't been able to figure it out
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I downgraded to 5.3.1. Rooted the fire and am now running CM 12.1. Very smooth!. Took me a awhile to get since I have a Mac but got it working. Used Rootjunky's YouTube video on how to restore. That's how I downgraded. Then used his Supertool for Mac and rooted. I then installed Flashfire and put CM12 on the tablet.
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Any new info to share? I still haven't been able to figure it out
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Davey126 already answered it here.
Davey126 said:
Fair bit of info on 5.3.2; sorry you couldn't find it. As for rooting simply roll back to 5.3.1 and then use the SuperTool to root (do not use Kingroot directly). See forum index in General thread for additional detail.
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I also bought the Fire a few days ago and I dealt with 5.3.2 by first using "adb sideload" to go to 5.3.1 and then rooting it.
I had problems with rooting via the SuperTool, as it used an old KingRoot version and after several rooting attempts when it finally succeeded, the SuperTool had problems removing KingRoot and replacing it with SuperSu (this error made it lose root somehow). Same problem occurred when I used the SuperTool but with the newest KingRoot, so instead of using the SuperTool I used newest KingRoot directly and decided not to replace it with SuperSu.
All is fine now, lockscreen ads are gone, AdAway is installed and OTA updates blocked.
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I used KingRoot directly and decided not to replace it with SuperSu.
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FYI - recognize KingRoot is a shady tool whose authors have uncertain motivations. Even after rooting it continues to send/receive information without apparent reason. One has to question any app that is offered for free and aggressively resists being uninstalled. Given the unknowns I would reconsider the decision to retain KingRoot/KingUser.
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Davey126 already answered it here.
I also bought the Fire a few days ago and I dealt with 5.3.2 by first using "adb sideload" to go to 5.3.1 and then rooting it.
I had problems with rooting via the SuperTool, as it used an old KingRoot version and after several rooting attempts when it finally succeeded, the SuperTool had problems removing KingRoot and replacing it with SuperSu (this error made it lose root somehow). Same problem occurred when I used the SuperTool but with the newest KingRoot, so instead of using the SuperTool I used newest KingRoot directly and decided not to replace it with SuperSu.
All is fine now, lockscreen ads are gone, AdAway is installed and OTA updates blocked.
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I had the issue with King Root as well. What I did was download a newer version and replaced in the SuperTool folder
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Davey126 said:
FYI - recognize KingRoot is a shady tool whose authors have uncertain motivations. Even after rooting it continues to send/receive information without apparent reason. One has to question any app that is offered for free and aggressively resists being uninstalled. Given the unknowns I would reconsider the decision to retain KingRoot/KingUser.
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Yes, it certainly gives that vibe. However my Fire is just a portable anime player, it's offline and there's nothing on it except anime, so I'll let it be.
BTW KingRoot flagged AdAway as a "risk"
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I had the issue with King Root as well. What I did was download a newer version and replaced in the SuperTool folder
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I've done that, it's in the post you quoted. Still, in the replacing step, the SuperTool deletes KingRoot, but then fails to put SuperSu in its place, it prints some errors to the console like ERR_WRITE or something.
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Yes, it certainly gives that vibe. However my Fire is just a portable anime player, it's offline and there's nothing on it except anime, so I'll let it be.
BTW KingRoot flagged AdAway as a "risk"
I've done that, it's in the post you quoted. Still, in the replacing step, the SuperTool deletes KingRoot, but then fails to put SuperSu in its place, it prints some errors to the console like ERR_WRITE or something.
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Sorry if I misread it. I used the version included and KingRoot so I replaced it in Supertool and re-rooted using SuperTool and it removed it no issues. Whatever though, it got rooted one way or another!
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Awesome I will try again tonight
Solved!!! Finally!!!
Ubuntu_noobi said:
So every post seems to address only 5.3.1. I can't find a SINGLE thing about rooting the 2015 5th gen Fire that runs 5.3.2. Am I the only person not able to find answers? King Root cant unlock, I can't figure out a solution and I can't stand the interface.
Purchased this for my son and he won't even use it. And He's 5. If I can't load CM or another custom rom soon I'm gonna smash it. At least I will feel better afterwards! I HATE that companies do this. Please help!
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TL;DR: THERE IS NO "One click" OPTION THAT WORKS. I DOWNLOADED ALL OF THEM. IVE TRIED EVERY DAMN ONE OF THEM. STOP SEARCHING. You MUST side load the system with the code necessary to make it capable to root. Downgrading to 5.3.1 was the secret, instead of trying to root on 5.3.2. I made a glossary of the confusing terminology, made a step by step walk through for noobs
SO, having felt encouraged by the response by people on this forum, last night I decided it was worth another try.
I finally figured out what I was missing. IF YOU CURRENTLY HAVE FIREOS VERSION 5.3.1, YOU MUST ROLL IT BACK THRU SIDE LOADING see here: SIDELOAD TUTORIAL
I tried to load straight onto the system disk and caused all kinds of problems. Once I followed that step by step, which TBH, was a lot of pausing and rewinding. I am not familiar with many terms so I made this...
Android Common Terms:
Boot: A sequence of commands written into the underlying software that tells the device what order to operate in
Bootloader: See Previous (this is the sequence I referenced previously)
Locked Bootloader: Think of trying to edit a PDF you did not create... Exactly.
ADB Fastboot: THIS IS A PROGRAM... NOT A FUNCTION. I still get this confused, thinking that it is a quicker version of the boot sequence... IT IS NOT. ADB Fastboot is a program that gives access to the base software code making it reachable to use certain sections of to "edit the PDF".
Custom Recovery: It is the new version of Windows 10 you were updating to when your crappy laptop you JUST bought came with Windows 8.1. Essentially.
Root: Remember the PDF? Well, if you work somewhere that has Adobe Reader, and you see the window on the right pop up with the ability to login to Adobe Online or whatever? Well, rooting is having login credentials to ACTUALLY edit that damn PDF.
Flash: Download from the internet, and install on your hard drive, or SD Card. It actually means you erase whatever is there completely first, then install. It's two steps, which is why they don't just call it installing... I think.
Partition: Have you ever worked in an office with cubicles? Exactly. A partition is a wall that you put up to segregate files, or programs, or whatever.
SuperTool: Based in your computer. RootJunky Went through and basically made one tool that has everything you need for rooting. PROBLEM IS THAT HE TELLS YOU TO DOWNLOAD ADB FASTBOOT AND DRIVERS AND A BUNCH OF STUFF, then says, or you can just download the SuperTool, which means, I now HAVE TWO OF ALL OF IT, and then I spend the next three hours trying to figure out if its the "custom rom that I sideload into the TWRP, or if the Flashed version of the bootloader gets added to the recovery image, but not before the drivers are flashed into the fastboot."
While this doesn't cover a lot, I hope that people in this community understand what it is like for someone unversed in the lingo to grasp exactly what is going on. I don't think we should speak like idiots and elementary students, but I also think we lose a ton of people that may have something to offer one day because they got frustrated with the terminology and gave up. Luckily, I stuck it out and gave it one last chance and I got it.
So, once I downgraded from 5.3.2 to 5.3.1, I went about trying to root the device, which was also a little confusing.
Step 1: Downgrade if you have 5.3.2 to 5.3.1
Step 2: Enable ADB and Debug in the Settings
Step 3: Hold down the Power and Volume Down button, release the power button once the device starts to reboot and a menu will popup
Step 4: Use the volume keys to access the first selection. This is how you access the "sideloading".
Step 5: Open the SuperTool, click on the batch file which should say Auto... because calling it SuperTool would be confusing
Step 6: follow the super easy instructions. Honestly.
It will walk you through the process and get you to the part about Kingroot and FlashFire and eventually root the device.
I honestly hope this helps someone. God knows it would have saved me from spending approximately 30 hours trying to figure this out.
Quick backstory; I rooted my 5th Gen 7" Fire a loooong time ago, with I believe a version of Rootjunky's supertool. Removed auto OS updates, all that good stuff. Accordingly, I cannot access the OS info via System Updates (tapping it gives a blank screen for a moment, then goes back to the main settings screen). I have Google Play & services installed.
So, I tried today to use the Amazon Appstore, and I'm getting a "Network Unreachable" error right when the app launches. I can't use any functions of the store. I'm thinking it's maybe because the app is such a relatively old version, Amazon's network is giving it grief, but I don't know for certain.
Like I said, I can't see for sure what OS version I have, but it has to be one of the first iterations of 5.something.
If anyone has run into this, or has any suggestions to get the appstore working again, I'm all ears. I did a factory reset, both from in the OS and from the Amazon recovery (complete with wiping cache), with no luck. Thanks in advance for any help.
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Quick backstory; I rooted my 5th Gen 7" Fire a loooong time ago, with I believe a version of Rootjunky's supertool. Removed auto OS updates, all that good stuff. Accordingly, I cannot access the OS info via System Updates (tapping it gives a blank screen for a moment, then goes back to the main settings screen). I have Google Play & services installed.
So, I tried today to use the Amazon Appstore, and I'm getting a "Network Unreachable" error right when the app launches. I can't use any functions of the store. I'm thinking it's maybe because the app is such a relatively old version, Amazon's network is giving it grief, but I don't know for certain.
Like I said, I can't see for sure what OS version I have, but it has to be one of the first iterations of 5.something.
If anyone has run into this, or has any suggestions to get the appstore working again, I'm all ears. I did a factory reset, both from in the OS and from the Amazon recovery (complete with wiping cache), with no luck. Thanks in advance for any help.
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Have you checked the clock? Sometimes, if the time is off, my store will break. Other than that, I'd recommend you download EZ File explorer, google form the most up to date amazon store apk, uninstall yours and give it a fresh install, especially if you feel out of date is the problem.
I'd also recommend you download a custom rom and flashfire and see if you can't fix that OS info problem, especially since you've already wiped all your data anyway.
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Have you checked the clock? Sometimes, if the time is off, my store will break. Other than that, I'd recommend you download EZ File explorer, google form the most up to date amazon store apk, uninstall yours and give it a fresh install, especially if you feel out of date is the problem.
I'd also recommend you download a custom rom and flashfire and see if you can't fix that OS info problem, especially since you've already wiped all your data anyway.
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This won't work:
- the version of Amazon's app store is different on FireOS; I don't believe it's available for download
- I did not see the OP had wiped his data; the OS info problem is related to blocking OTA updates
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scooter1979 said:
Quick backstory; I rooted my 5th Gen 7" Fire a loooong time ago, with I believe a version of Rootjunky's supertool. Removed auto OS updates, all that good stuff. Accordingly, I cannot access the OS info via System Updates (tapping it gives a blank screen for a moment, then goes back to the main settings screen). I have Google Play & services installed.
So, I tried today to use the Amazon Appstore, and I'm getting a "Network Unreachable" error right when the app launches. I can't use any functions of the store. I'm thinking it's maybe because the app is such a relatively old version, Amazon's network is giving it grief, but I don't know for certain.
Like I said, I can't see for sure what OS version I have, but it has to be one of the first iterations of 5.something.
If anyone has run into this, or has any suggestions to get the appstore working again, I'm all ears. I did a factory reset, both from in the OS and from the Amazon recovery (complete with wiping cache), with no luck. Thanks in advance for any help.
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Best solution is to install a custom ROM; however you seem satisfied with FireOS.
Next best solution IMO is to reload FireOS (which includes Amazon's app store) but you will probably want to stick with version 5.0.1 if that's what is currently installed. Obvious problem is you can't determine that through normal means. Have to be careful here; if you attempt to reload 5.0.1 and your device is currently on 5.1.x or above it will brick. You would also need to reroot, reblock OTA updates, etc. In short, everything you did before. With no guarantee it will fix your original problem (although I think it will).
One way to test for 5.0.1 is to see if it will boot TWRP. However, that can be messy if you are unfamiliar with fastboot and/or have never established a connection with the device in question.
@steve8x8 - I seem to recall you wrote a tool that can query current component/system levels. Thoughts?
p.s. You could also go with FireOS 5.3.1 which is the last build that can be rooted at present. No brick risk as 5.3.1 is >= the current version of FireOS on the device.
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Have you checked the clock? Sometimes, if the time is off, my store will break. Other than that, I'd recommend you download EZ File explorer, google form the most up to date amazon store apk, uninstall yours and give it a fresh install, especially if you feel out of date is the problem.
I'd also recommend you download a custom rom and flashfire and see if you can't fix that OS info problem, especially since you've already wiped all your data anyway.
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It's not the clock, that's as it should be.
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This won't work:
- the version of Amazon's app store is different on FireOS; I don't believe it's available for download
- I did not see the OP had wiped his data; the OS info problem is related to blocking OTA updates
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Best solution is to install a custom ROM; however you seem satisfied with FireOS.
Next best solution IMO is to reload FireOS (which includes Amazon's app store) but you will probably want to stick with version 5.0.1 if that's what is currently installed. Obvious problem is you can't determine that through normal means. Have to be careful here; if you attempt to reload 5.0.1 and your device is currently on 5.1.x or above it will brick. You would also need to reroot, reblock OTA updates, etc. In short, everything you did before. With no guarantee it will fix your original problem (although I think it will).
One way to test for 5.0.1 is to see if it will boot TWRP. However, that can be messy if you are unfamiliar with fastboot and/or have never established a connection with the device in question.
@steve8x8 - I seem to recall you wrote a tool that can query current component/system levels. Thoughts?
p.s. You could also go with FireOS 5.3.1 which is the last build that can be rooted at present. No brick risk as 5.3.1 is >= the current version of FireOS on the device.
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You are correct, I am happy with the FireOS.
I've played in fastboot before, and given EXACT instructions, I can regurgitate results, but it's not my native tongue. I don't know if the appstore version is locked to the OS version, but according to Appstore Settings under the manage Amazon apps section, I'm rocking release-9.1011.5.1.39.0_2000145010, last updated 2/12/15. Any way to link that with OS version?
If no more info can be gleaned from my device, either from the appstore version or something steve8x8 may have, I may just load 5.3.1 on and run from there. Kinda rather not, but I'd kinda rather not not have appstore access.
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... I've played in fastboot before, and given EXACT instructions, I can regurgitate results, but it's not my native tongue. I don't know if the appstore version is locked to the OS version, but according to Appstore Settings under the manage Amazon apps section, I'm rocking release-9.1011.5.1.39.0_2000145010, last updated 2/12/15. Any way to link that with OS version?
If no more info can be gleaned from my device, either from the appstore version or something steve8x8 may have, I may just load 5.3.1 on and run from there. Kinda rather not, but I'd kinda rather not not have appstore access.
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To my knowledge there is no direct correlation of appstore version to FireOS version. Obviously there's a range but we'd need a 1-1 match to draw a comfortable conclusion.
You can test TWRP bootability by following the guidance in this post. If TWRP boots you can safely sideload FireOS 5.0.1 from here using instructions in this thread (posts #1 and #2). That said, if you have no intention of every installing a custom ROM there really isn't any advantage to retaining an older bootloader. If that's the case might as well sideload FireOS 5.3.1. Be aware there is no going back if you take this step.
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To my knowledge there is no direct correlation of appstore version to FireOS version. Obviously there's a range but we'd need a 1-1 match to draw a comfortable conclusion.
You can test TWRP bootability by following the guidance in this post. If TWRP boots you can safely sideload FireOS 5.0.1 from here using instructions in this thread (posts #1 and #2). That said, if you have no intention of every installing a custom ROM there really isn't any advantage to retaining an older bootloader. If that's the case might as well sideload FireOS 5.3.1. Be aware there is no going back if you take this step.
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Ahhhh nuts. I'm getting "FAILED (remote: unknown command)" return on my Win7 machine trying to boot TWRP, and just simple USB transmission OK output on the device. Looks like I'm over 5.0.1.
Guess it's 5.3.1 for me. I'm assuming I can just follow the directions from sd_shadow's unbrick stock recovery ADB sideload thread, yes? Thanks for all of your help, I really appreciate it.
There's a guide to find bootloader version: https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/development/identify-bootloader-version-t3424634
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scooter1979 said:
Ahhhh nuts. I'm getting "FAILED (remote: unknown command)" return on my Win7 machine trying to boot TWRP, and just simple USB transmission OK output on the device. Looks like I'm over 5.0.1.
Guess it's 5.3.1 for me. I'm assuming I can just follow the directions from sd_shadow's unbrick stock recovery ADB sideload thread, yes? Thanks for all of your help, I really appreciate it.
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Just be sure that you don't accidentally update. Don't connect to WiFi until you have KingRoot, and be sure not to let the os update finish downloading. Once you connect, it will start. Some tips I found on how to avoid updates:
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- use Kingroot 4.92 or lower; avoid v5.x (nearly impossible to remove)
- partial OTA update files are erased each time the device reboots
- KingRoot reboots frequently
- find a slow AP (library, coffee shop, etc) to thoddle the pace of downloads
- enable WiFi only after KingRoot starts and kill it when run completes
- force reboot device if KingRoot hangs for a prolonged period
- you may have to repeat the process multiple times
- there are trickier approaches (eg: IP/domain blocking) with variable results; the above playbook has worked well for most
- good luck
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Just be sure that you don't accidentally update. Don't connect to WiFi until you have KingRoot, and be sure not to let the os update finish downloading. Once you connect, it will start. Some tips I found on how to avoid updates:
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Along with not hooking up wifi immediately, I was thinking of using rootjunky's supertool for root & update blocking, as the tool says it's now compatible with 5.3.1. Should be good enough, as long as I don't connect to a network until ALL of the supertool fun is done (I hope).
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Along with not hooking up wifi immediately, I was thinking of using rootjunky's supertool for root & update blocking, as the tool says it's now compatible with 5.3.1. Should be good enough, as long as I don't connect to a network until ALL of the supertool fun is done (I hope).
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You need WiFi to root. That's why you need to be careful, since update starts quickly. Here's the thread the quote was from: https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/help/dilemma-t3545062
If you can block the domains linked to in that thread, that'll help. It's not necessary, but it's a good idea.
EDIT: here's the post with them:
HughJeffner said:
Using stock 5.3.1 fresh install here are the domain names used in the update process:
softwareupdates.amazon.com
amzdigital-a.akamaihd.net
The first one is the actual update check, blocking DNS lookup of this domain effectively disabled auto-updates for me YMMV
The second domain name is where the firmware is actually downloaded from (not verified but seems probable). Note that this could change depending on how the update check is implemented.
I recommend blocking DNS resolution of softwareupdates.amazon.com if practical in your situation
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You need WiFi to root. That's why you need to be careful, since update starts quickly. Here's the thread the quote was from: https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/help/dilemma-t3545062
If you can block the domains linked to in that thread, that'll help. It's not necessary, but it's a good idea.
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Ohhhhh, I didn't realize Kingroot needs internet access... Besides that, I saw in the tool's changelogs that it even removes Kingroot & puts the normal supersu in the system, so I thought everything was more or less a "normal" rooting procedure. Whoops. Thank you, I'll be DNS blocking before anything.
scooter1979 said:
Ohhhhh, I didn't realize Kingroot needs internet access... Besides that, I saw in the tool's changelogs that it even removes Kingroot & puts the normal supersu in the system, so I thought everything was more or less a "normal" rooting procedure. Whoops. Thank you, I'll be DNS blocking before anything.
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It removes KingRoot after using it to root. AFAIK, KingRoot is the only thing that can root these tablets. Personally, I'd recommend finding your bootloader version and flashing that, but it's just a personal preference, and has no practical difference unless you have 5.0.x, which you don't. I just like having oldest I can in case a downgrade method is ever found.
Also I may have an updated appstore apk from my brother's 5.3.2.1 tablet, let me check.
EDIT: Nope, I don't. I do, however, have an (old) apk from the Amazon website. See if installing this version helps. Just out of curiosity, could you attach the apk from your current appstore? I'm wondering if it will install on Fire Nexus. The UI looks much better than the version I have downloaded.
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Just out of curiosity, could you attach the apk from your current appstore? I'm wondering if it will install on Fire Nexus. The UI looks much better than the version I have downloaded.
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I'll be happy to if you give me the path, or even the full name of the apk so I can search via root explorer.
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I'll be happy to if you give me the path.
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If you have a file manager, search /system/app and /system/priv-app for com.amazon. venezia. Or, use an app like titanium backup to back it up.
It's taking forever to upload the apk I'm using, so here's the link if you want to test if it works: https://www.amazon.com/appstore_android_app
If not, I think you will need to reflash, unfortunately.
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There's a guide to find bootloader version: https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/development/identify-bootloader-version-t3424634
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Used this method, I'm on 5.1.1 (5.4.1_112720 5.1.1). Dagnabbit, missed it by that much.
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Used this method, I'm on 5.1.1 (5.4.1_112720 5.1.1). Dagnabbit, missed it by that much.
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Then I'd recommend flashing 5.1.1. Like I said, if a downgrade method is found, it will probably be for older versions. Plus it's harder to brick, since only one or two versions are below it.
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PorygonZRocks said:
It's taking forever to upload the apk I'm using, so here's the link if you want to test if it works: https://www.amazon.com/appstore_android_app
If not, I think you will need to reflash, unfortunately.
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No go. Got a "Application Not Installed" error.
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Then I'd recommend flashing 5.1.1. Like I said, if a downgrade method is found, it will probably be for older versions. Plus it's harder to brick, since only one or two versions are below it.
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The thing there is, if the issue is indeed related to the age of the appstore, which doesn't look like it has been updated since the OS was, sideloading the same version would put me in the same boat I'm in now. If I drop 5.3.1 on there, that should fix me, assuming the age of the store is the underlying issue. Unless there's something I'm missing.
Ok, my venezia is attached.
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No go. Got a "Application Not Installed" error.
The thing there is, if the issue is indeed related to the age of the appstore, which doesn't look like it has been updated since the OS was, sideloading the same version would put me in the same boat I'm in now. If I drop 5.3.1 on there, that should fix me, assuming the age of the store is the underlying issue. Unless there's something I'm missing.
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A while back, I found a tutorial on how to upgrade system, but keep bootloader the same. Let me look...
Also, if it isn't the age of the app store, it has no effect. You could also try Amazon Underground app. It has a different package name, so it will install alongside the Appstore you have. This way, you can see if it has to do with the store or if it's just not working.
EDIT: Having trouble finding the link. I think what it was is you can download an update file, rename it from *.bin to *.zip, extract system.img, put it on the device, flash it, root, and disable ota immediately. I'll keep looking.
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Umm, you guys?...
Ya wanna hear something wacky? Just for the fart of it, I ran the apk I just uploaded on my own device, and, um, the store works now. Zero problems. Connects just fine.
Now don't I feel like a horse's patoot?
Well, if nothing else, I learned what DNS to block if I upgrade to 5.3.1, how to check my bootloader via hex editor, and to rely on the kindness of strangers to fall bassackwards into an easy solution. Yeesh.
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Ya wanna hear something wacky? Just for the fart of it, I ran the apk I just uploaded on my own device, and, um, the store works now. Zero problems. Connects just fine.
Now don't I feel like a horse's patoot?
Well, if nothing else, I learned what DNS to block if I upgrade to 5.3.1, how to check my bootloader via hex editor, and to rely on the kindness of strangers to fall bassackwards into an easy solution. Yeesh.
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Oh. Well, I found the thread, if you want. It gives instructions for FlashFire as well.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/general/howto-install-fireos-5-1-1-root-gapps-t3265594
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Ok, my venezia is attached.
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Was there a .odex in the folder, and/or a lib folder? If so, could you also upload that? If not, then it appears it will not work. Shame. Thanks for the apk.
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