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Since the new 4.1 update will snap up the processor to max as soon as you touch the screen to keep everything running smooth, won't that take a larger toll on the battery than Android already does in general? Or do they have some new battery saving plans for this new feature.
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Since the new 4.1 update will snap up the processor to max as soon as you touch the screen to keep everything running smooth, won't that take a larger toll on the battery than Android already does in general? Or do they have some new battery saving plans for this new feature.
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They say the new update is more power-efficient too...Who knows...
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They say the new update is more power-efficient too...Who knows...
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I read somewhere that the JB update clocks the processor to a lower frequency when the load is low thus saving the battery.
I guess they compiled a new governor or something.
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I read somewhere that the JB update clocks the processor to a lower frequency when the load is low thus saving the battery.
I guess they compiled a new governor or something.
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A new governor added to the pack of the 20 different ones out there? But I guess it makes sense. We'll see how this goes.
shaaan said:
I read somewhere that the JB update clocks the processor to a lower frequency when the load is low thus saving the battery.
I guess they compiled a new governor or something.
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Yep
you guys don't know what projekt butter is?
they added a "tripple buffer for less locks and better process interoperatibility. one process doesn't have to wait for another anymore"
or in non dev words: they optimized the whole system
this doesn't has anything to do with the cpu freq.
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you guys don't know what projekt butter is?
they added a "tripple buffer for less locks and better process interoperatibility. one process doesn't have to wait for another anymore"
or in non dev words: they optimized the whole system
this doesn't has anything to do with the cpu freq.
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Who gave you that idea? Not reading thread fully,i guess? We were not just discussing about Project Butter.We were discussing about how power efficient,smooth and fast the new update will be.And to further prove that the things we were discussing here is correct:
The first side of the Jelly Bean update is the way it interacts with hardware. One of the main complaints with Androids is that it often gets laggy even on the most sophisticated devices. Google has finally radically addressed this so manufacturers and developers can make their devices lag-free. The solution is called Project Butter and it comes with triple buffering so that the CPU and GPU work without waiting for each other. This means scrolling, zooming and virtually all actions become much faster.
Jelly Bean devices will actually anticipate where fingers are in screens which will results in a more responsive system.
The other big thing is power efficiency. Jelly Bean now dials the CPU back to lower frequency when it’s not in use.
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michi3 said:
you guys don't know what projekt butter is?
they added a "tripple buffer for less locks and better process interoperatibility. one process doesn't have to wait for another anymore"
or in non dev words: they optimized the whole system
this doesn't has anything to do with the cpu freq.
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any one can google and paste buddy.
BTW triple buffer,i guess you dont know what it is.
IN NON DEV WORD,optimizing touch screen drivers,GPU and CPU so that they work simultaneously,starting each process at the same time at the other.
@OP,google stated that as soon as u stop interaction with phone,cpu freq. will immediately decrease,thus saving battery.Somewhat like intellidemand gov.,but more seamless
side_effect said:
any one can google and paste buddy.
BTW triple buffer,i guess you dont know what it is.
IN NON DEV WORD,optimizing touch screen drivers,GPU and CPU so that they work simultaneously,starting each process at the same time at the other.
@OP,google stated that as soon as u stop interaction with phone,cpu freq. will immediately decrease,thus saving battery.Somewhat like intellidemand gov.,but more seamless
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Well, as long as it gets on the Ace, I don't give a f*ck. Lmao
Which I've been thinking about. We don't even have a working CM9. What makes us think we'll get CM10? :'(
SuperAce609 said:
Well, as long as it gets on the Ace, I don't give a f*ck. Lmao
Which I've been thinking about. We don't even have a working CM9. What makes us think we'll get CM10? :'(
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The fact that JB isnt far from ICS in terms of hardware requirements. Its still a touch and go though
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I vl still use GB
i think they added a power save option.
I heard ir comes in assorted flavors and colors.
Hi everyone, I'm thinking of buying the 4XHD as I can get it for a very good price (far cheaper than the one x or S3).
I have a few questions about the phone though, and reading the forums brought up more questions.
1. Are there actually any Kernels or Roms for the phone as I cant find any in the developer section and has the phone actually got a unlocked bootloader as some people said they had, others they hadn't.
2. What are the chances of the phone either getting an official 4.1 update or getting an unlocked bootloader (I can't tell if it already is) with which a custom 4.1 ROM can be flashed onto the phone.
3. How well does the 4XHD actually do in games as in my research I found one thread about lag and that is all. How do games like Nova 3, Asphalt 7 and Need For Speed: Most Wanted play? On the nexus 7, nova 3 (without custom kernel) was really laggy and I'm wondering how it will perform on the 4XHD.
4. Secondly, without a new Kernel being developed, is there currently anyway to overclock the GPU in the phone as I have read on one post about changing the kernel governor (here) or is this just using SetCPU?
5. Regarding SetCPU, does it help out with gaming performance the same way it helped out the One X (or was that purely because the one x used the Ondemand governor, which performs worse than the Interactive governor of the stock 4XHD)?
Thankyou everyone for reading this.
There are no Rom or kernels but u can under clock the CPU and i use no frills CPU to have the phone running. On 760 MHz and 51 and it performs well for gaming I just put it on the highest and no lag. I would install a CPU app because it seems that without it on it when u listen to music it skips quite frequently with screen of but with an CPU manager it is fixed even on 51 it won't skip. Other then that. I do not have any of the lag other report. It is a very capable phone. I would not install setcpu it does not seem to stick and work right. I tried to set it back to 1500 with setcpu and it stopped at 1ghz but no frills CPU works with no issue. I hope that helps u somewhat.
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Thanks, if you are using Nofrills and you set the min CPU clock higher does this actually translate into better gaming performance (does it change the governor and the GPU performance ) or is it just better for saving battery life when you don't need high performance? Do you actually need any extra speed or is it fine in games - the one x, even taking into consideration the larger user base, there seems to be far more laggy games complaints.
Yes I set it too 1500 min and max and i have no lag I also select governor power no lag. I hope it works for. Don't forget after done with gaming to change the CPU back to how busy want it and also not to use power because then I always stays at the possible highest CPU u selected.
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For gaming do performance otherwise do not. And the hox seems to still have a less optimize tegra 3 supports in it. The 4x hd is faster.
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Also u might wanna consider when playing games to like really turn everything off so u want sync with anything or text really I know it sucks but turning of dta and cellular and then playing games will make for no lag also make sure u pretty much cleared all running apps as well.
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Ok Thanks, that basically answers all of my concerns. I,m not too sure about getting 4.1 (Custom ROM or not) but it isn't that necessary. 4.0 is still great.
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Hi everyone, I'm thinking of buying the 4XHD as I can get it for a very good price (far cheaper than the one x or S3).
I have a few questions about the phone though, and reading the forums brought up more questions.
1. Are there actually any Kernels or Roms for the phone as I cant find any in the developer section and has the phone actually got a unlocked bootloader as some people said they had, others they hadn't.
2. What are the chances of the phone either getting an official 4.1 update or getting an unlocked bootloader (I can't tell if it already is) with which a custom 4.1 ROM can be flashed onto the phone.
3. How well does the 4XHD actually do in games as in my research I found one thread about lag and that is all. How do games like Nova 3, Asphalt 7 and Need For Speed: Most Wanted play? On the nexus 7, nova 3 (without custom kernel) was really laggy and I'm wondering how it will perform on the 4XHD.
4. Secondly, without a new Kernel being developed, is there currently anyway to overclock the GPU in the phone as I have read on one post about changing the kernel governor (here) or is this just using SetCPU?
5. Regarding SetCPU, does it help out with gaming performance the same way it helped out the One X (or was that purely because the one x used the Ondemand governor, which performs worse than the Interactive governor of the stock 4XHD)?
Thankyou everyone for reading this.
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buy it , its great piece of smartphone
I know this sounds a bit stupid now as this phone currently has the fastest clock speed on the market, but can we or will we ever be able to overclock to an even higher speed? I wasn't sure since this is already just a higher clocked version of the 1.6Ghz atom in the likes of the orange san diego.
Thanks,
Addam.
I guess it should be easy. We only need a port of Milestone Overclock for this. MO is already working nice on other Motorola's as well like the Defy for example.
Vistaus said:
I guess it should be easy. We only need a port of Milestone Overclock for this. MO is already working nice on other Motorola's as well like the Defy for example.
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Thanks for the quick reply.:laugh:
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Thanks for the quick reply.:laugh:
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You do realize it doesn't actually run at 2ghz (for very long) only turbos to it.
Only runs at 1.2-1.3ish
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Why everyone will OC? My RazR i runs pretty smooth especially with the AMBP Rom. Wouldn't it be better to undervolt it, to save some more battery (not that it's needed with the i)
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I guess it should be easy. We only need a port of Milestone Overclock for this. MO is already working nice on other Motorola's as well like the Defy for example.
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milestone overclock could be ported to the defy because the two phones have omaps chip with similar drivers...
And afaik new intel chips manage the clock by hardware (don't know if they are also doing this on atom chips)
Nope, it's Hyper-V software controlled (well, at least the turbo that is).
But the OMAP is not the reason it got ported over. Milestone Overclock also runs fine on the Motorola Xoom and that has a nVidia Tegra 2.
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Why everyone will OC? My RazR i runs pretty smooth especially with the AMBP Rom. Wouldn't it be better to undervolt it, to save some more battery (not that it's needed with the i)
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I didn't say I will actually OC; I was just answering the OP his question. Like you said, it runs pretty smooth and the battery life is superb so I'm not gonna mess with clock or volt speeds.
Yeah I was aware of the usually much lower clock speed. I was also doubtful that older ARM based OC apps would be able to work that's why I asked in the first place. Doubt this phone would ever need it anyway - very smooth and will only get better with JB.
Thanks everyone,
Addam.
As someone who has tried (and failed) to switch from iOS to Android in the past, I feel I should share this with other who maybe have the same problem.
I have tried some many android devices, HTC, Galaxy S, S2 then S3. Galaxy Note, you name it I've gave it a go.
Problem I always had was that it was too laggy or had too many things missing for me that I loved about iOS
I have once again taken the plunge with the Nexus 4.
I LOVE this phone. LOVE. It is everything a phone should be, to a point. It's the best android phone i've ever owned. I hate the look of touchwiz, never a massive fan of sense, the sheer beauty of the "people" app, should be enough to tell you that google has ARRIVED.
My only bug bears are the obvious lack of storage, which i'm actually doing suprisngly well with, like I have an N7 which I watch films / tv shows on, so the N4 is basically for music, along with spotify it's working like a dream (also have google play with 16,000 songs, which is working well, although download speeds are awful)
The other biggy, and this is the one is the battery life, I've tried franco kernel, cm10, stock kernel, etc etc. There's no two ways about it, with the screen turned on and using 3G it EATS the battery and that saddens me a lot. I'm lucky that I can charge it at work, but lordy lordy lord does it eat a lot. It's a shame, I'm hoping in the future they'll be a fix for this, I mean it's not a show stopper, but it's more annoying than anything else, seeing the battery go down as you use it for browsing and listening to music etc
Other than that, I think I've finally done it, I've finally broken the iOS spell and made the move. I'm delighted, the phone is lovely to look at, lovely to hold and use (and actually works unlike my f*cking iphone which dropped calls left right and centre)
I'm chuffed
Congrats man. It's pretty normal for a new phone to have horrible battery life at first, but then to get a big improvement with software updates.
Suprised that Franco's kernel isn't helping you though.
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steviewevie said:
Congrats man. It's pretty normal for a new phone to have horrible battery life at first, but then to get a big improvement with software updates.
Suprised that Franco's kernel isn't helping you though.
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Am wondering if maybe it's something im doing wrong. I may well try and do anything wipe and re-install from scratch etc
Appreciate the reply.
Just switched from galaxy nexus running 4.2 to the iPhone 5. Not sure what to do, spent a bunch on the phone missing android big time.
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How long would u say the nexus 4 is lasting u? Full day?
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Just switched from galaxy nexus running 4.2 to the iPhone 5. Not sure what to do, spent a bunch on the phone missing android big time.
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How long would u say the nexus 4 is lasting u? Full day?
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yeah im getting a full day probably, but it's obviously dependant on use.
try faux kernel. undervolt by -100mv on all frequencies, lower your max frequency to 1134, and change governor to intellidemand. you should see better battery life then:thumbup:
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lowrider262 said:
try faux kernel. undervolt by -100mv on all frequencies, lower your max frequency to 1134, and change governor to intellidemand. you should see better battery life then:thumbup:
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okay .... i'll give it a go, dont suppose you have a link to faux kernel app do you?
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okay .... i'll give it a go, dont suppose you have a link to faux kernel app do you?
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faux kernel app is a paid app on the play store. i use trickster mod to change frequency/governor, and system tuner to change voltages. both are free from the play store. just remember to hit the"apply" button if you use trickster mod. also use one of faux's latest beta kernels. I think its up to 003b10
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lowrider262 said:
faux kernel app is a paid app on the play store. i use trickster mod to change frequency/governor, and system tuner to change voltages. both are free from the play store. just remember to hit the"apply" button if you use trickster mod
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ahh thanks man, appreciate the help
I cant help but think though, that phone manufacturers should stop worrying about siz and weight and just stick a slightly better battery in. I mean a couple off mm and a few grams is hardly gonna put people off buying a phone.
I know for me the first thing i look at is "Battery Life" not size and weight.
I mean look at the iphone 5, it's too ****ing thin, make it the same size as 4s and stick a bigger battery in ffs
Definitely I know for myself that I'm happy with anything below 1.5cm which we know would give a lot more battery life,shame we are stuck with manufacturer's going for thinner phones and the only company to buck the trend is Motorola however their phones currently suck .
Battery life is improving for me I have narrowed it down to the radio, it seems mobile data destroys it much more than ant other phone I have used...WiFi performance is amazing and idle well I can say its the best. This was on the matr1x 4.0 kernel, not stock however.
Not sure why mobile data kills this device but WiFi efficiency is through the roof at least
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lowrider262 said:
faux kernel app is a paid app on the play store. i use trickster mod to change frequency/governor, and system tuner to change voltages. both are free from the play store. just remember to hit the"apply" button if you use trickster mod. also use one of faux's latest beta kernels. I think its up to 003b10
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hi
have installed faux kernel changed the first couple in trickster but am unsure of how and what to change voltage wise in system tuner ???
any advice ?
Battery life is definitely a problem when using a phone with mobile data on. That's Google's mistake with android 4.2 and hopefully be fixed on 4.2.2.
Also congrats on moving to Android. I also moved from iPhone to android. To nexus s to be exact. The experience wasn't lag free but it did what I needed to and I loved the customization that android brought. Since then, been using android, but only nexus devices as I love pure android look
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I cant help but think though, that phone manufacturers should stop worrying about siz and weight and just stick a slightly better battery in. I mean a couple off mm and a few grams is hardly gonna put people off buying a phone.
I know for me the first thing i look at is "Battery Life" not size and weight.
I mean look at the iphone 5, it's too ****ing thin, make it the same size as 4s and stick a bigger battery in ffs
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you realize that the iPhone's battery is about 1400 mAh right? the secret here is an efficient yet limited software.
that's not to say that the 2100 mAh is not big enough for an Android device. it should do just as good if not better than the S3, which has a similar sized battery. something certainly is not working as intended. some say a buggy radio, others speak of the 4.2 and hardware not optimized. whatever it is, i am hopeful that a software update will take care of it.
i generally agree with the OP, i don't see myself using skinned Android anymore. stock android>IOS>skinned android.
Vanilla android >jail broken iOS>90" TV's
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gsusx said:
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have installed faux kernel changed the first couple in trickster but am unsure of how and what to change voltage wise in system tuner ???
any advice ?
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open system tuner, press the voltage button, the first voltage (384) should be 900mv. press the -12.5mv a few times until that first one says 800mv, now they're all lowered by 100 you can go further if you want, some chips can handle -150 no problem. but in my experience 100 is pretty safe and enough to notice a difference in battery
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Android is already better than iOS in terms of users anyway, I would like to just pick at the part of Jobs making the touchscreen...he didnt it was infact HTC that made the first capacitive touchscreen device, Apple just put together all the same hardware 5 years later and marketed the crap out of it which is great its typical apple and now we have an amazing market where Android exists and these high end smartphones are popular and back in the market .
That's apple all over though really isnt it
I mean archos brought out an Mp3 player with video about 3 years before apple did it on the ipod, apple then claimed they invented that, along with the wheel, dinosaurs, and the earth
If you guys are worried about the battery I highly recommend an external battery pack. I know they look sorta gimmicky like that stocking stuffer present you get and never use but there are some sleek looking ones that match the beauty of the nexus 4 and are easy to use. Its sorta like carrying another phone around in terms of weight/size.
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The op said he has access to a charger so what is the problem? It is not like we are in the woods.
You are using a personal computer. If you sit down and listen to music and have the screen on how long do you expect it to last?
I also listen to podcasts bit I know of I do this I will not get an entire day.
When I use the phone normally I get great battery life. Just go into your apps in the panel and look under running. Use titanium backup to freezing what you don't need.
Good luck..
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I really like CM but it's really, really slow, especially when Wi-Fi is on. It hangs a lot.
My question is: Is this because it needs more work or I shouldn't ever expect it to get much faster because of physical limitations? I'm only asking because CM10 received a lot of work and it still didn't get faster, and then it switched to CM10.1. It's been almost a year without a working GPS and I don't know if it's the software or the device that's the problem.
CyanogenMod is fast and smooth if you know how to use it correctly and not spam downloading apps which eats up all your RAM.In the performance settings,Turn some options on/off could make all the difference between laggy and unlaggy.I have used CyanogenMod for the past 6 months and its getting better nowadays.Recently,They implemented a fix to vsync on our device and it made the experience a bit smoother.Its also partly due to our hardware limitations.1Ghz Single Core and 512mb is just no longer enough to keep up with the other devices coming out every month.So if you want a smooth experience,You could sell the OB and maybe purchase a second hand with better specs?As for GPS,some members here has found a fix,So you could try looking for it.
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I also experienced alot of lag but then i installed Greenify.
I paused some apps that was running in the background (Facebook!!!!)
And now my phone is more smoth then ever
And as BlackPie said, get a better phone if you're not happy and wrong section!
RomWiz said:
I also experienced alot of lag but then i installed Greenify.
I paused some apps that was running in the background (Facebook!!!!)
And now my phone is more smoth then ever
And as BlackPie said, get a better phone if you're not happy and wrong section!
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Haha yea greenify helps a lot and current default nightlies(No mods no greenify) are quite smooth Less battery eating as well.
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It seems smooth as long as Wi-Fi is not running. Not very smooth, but usable. As soon as I turn-on Wi-Fi it becomes almost unusable, really slow, a lot of crashes from some apps.
I don't have a lot of apps, and I mostly keep sync off. If I turn sync on, then I'm just basically locking my phone out of use, it becomes really slow.
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It seems smooth as long as Wi-Fi is not running. Not very smooth, but usable. As soon as I turn-on Wi-Fi it becomes almost unusable, really slow, a lot of crashes from some apps.
I don't have a lot of apps, and I mostly keep sync off. If I turn sync on, then I'm just basically locking my phone out of use, it becomes really slow.
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Weird,My phone is fine with or without wifi.I too keep sync off to conserve battery.might wanna try looking into the performance settings
Try v6 supercharger...
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