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This application began as a themed method to access the same Siri servers used by Jailbroken iOS devices, but has since grown to surpass even those.
It now has offline recognition, allowing access to everything that is still available without an Internet connection. It has social broadcasting, which allows users to send messages to the others using the application. It also now supports launching applications and improved navigation.
Future features will include leaderboards to resemble the reports given in the show and integration with Facebook and Twitter, to accompany current integration with YouTube.
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where is the download link??
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where is the download link??
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The very first thing in the op post is the link to the site to get more info, which is where I have the
Since this is a paid app section, I was making sure people know what they're buying
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Some people seem to have providers that block short links, so here is a Direct Link
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Wow.
It wouldn't connect to your server, so I switched it to one of the free English/German servers you have listd and it's working great.
The voice recognition on it is freaking amazing, even if I'm basically whispering.
Great job integrating all these different things together.
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Wow.
It wouldn't connect to your server, so I switched it to one of the free English/German servers you have listd and it's working great.
The voice recognition on it is freaking amazing, even if I'm basically whispering.
Great job integrating all these different things together.
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Pretty much any server listed will provide the basics, just not the extensions. The only issue I have seen is many of those servers are run from Germany, so grammar isn't always perfect and the commands are unnatural.
I will openly admit that I purchased, tore apart, and then based my application on siri0us, which is partnered with grwh. I have been trying to keep the unthemed portions similar, much like a Siri theme would be to allow people the option of using either application without it being a drastic change or confusing process.
Surprisingly, though, some of the grwh moderators have been the most opposition on this project. Even with the server being open source and the mass amount of updates and improvements I have offered back to them, they have this view that I am trying to profit from their server. The application price is unrelated to the server, but the proceeds are used to maintain it. This comes from sacrificing any profit to provide this service back to the user instead. This issue has been addressed and hopefully does not threaten the development of this project.
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did u tried iris...
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did u tried iris...
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Iris is like the original Siri. It only works right on certain devices, the responses are generic, and you get stuck with what they give you, including ads.
On another note, that application forces religion on the user by responding with numerous references to God and Christianity. This is something I feel deserves some sort of disclaimer and isn't really appropriate for applications that span multiple countries and religions.
This works with pretty much anything, the responses vary and are alway being expanded and updated, you can choose the voice engine, the server can be switched, custom responses can be submitted to the server, no religious belief is chosen for the user, and (thanks to the wolfram plugin) you can still ask things like how much caffeine in a mountain dew.
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I am working on the app launching as a separate plugin. The reason for this is that the server has no way of handling things like that, so having a launch command pass through the server would be silly. The local plugin will intercept the command instead.
The alternative was to have the server pass back a value that was read to launch the app, but I would be running the only server that handled it. This will provide the best method for adding the functionality to any server someone chooses to use.
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Nice, can't wait to try this!
Very nice, downloaded and works perfectly .. thanks for the tip!
The Facebook and Twitter plugins currently return errors when trying to use either of them. This is a known issue that is being addressed and they are still a work in progress.
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First of all, great start, but is is possible to customize the theming? Or for that should I go with a different, non-anime themed app?
Also, where is the best place to submit suggestions for responses?
Japamala said:
First of all, great start, but is is possible to customize the theming? Or for that should I go with a different, non-anime themed app?
Also, where is the best place to submit suggestions for responses?
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Sirious! is an unthemed Siri client, but with theirs you lose the search button launch, some GPS functionality, orientation handling, and the default server is configured to their public one (which gets rid of the server theme components, but also most of the plugins and improvements to the server).
In the app menu, there is a button for custom commands that will take you directly to the page to submit custom responses, or under "Interactions" on the main site listed in the first post. If you mean altering the server responses for other things, you can suggest them through the "Contact Developer" link on Google Play's app page or the site "Resources".
Removing the theme would make this just another bland Siri clone, and that was the whole point of developing a new one. If the theme is really that much of a problem or makes you feel uncool, you may want to wait until sirious! updates their app for Siri servers or try Skyvi, Assistant, Ever Friends, Iris, or any other "generic" voice assistant app.
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Well, it's not so much that it's uncool, it's just not Jarvis
Anyway, the main issue I had was with setting alarms and sending texts, neither of which I could manage to do.
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Well, it's not so much that it's uncool, it's just not Jarvis
Anyway, the main issue I had was with setting alarms and sending texts, neither of which I could manage to do.
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I would have done Alfred and the Bat communicator if I really wanted to meet the Warner Bros. legal team. Anime companies tend to be less strict when it comes to "fan creations" but it's often an issue with those themes being considered "lame" by the general public. I tried not to go too crazy but not make it just a background that didn't fit anything else.
I did catch some errors on alarms that are being looked into and texts seem to be hit or miss. Both are plugins issues with the server so they will get fixed without having to update.
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Yeah, the old famous marvel lawsuits. shame on them.
Anyway, one thing that you should probably look at is the landscape mode. Right now it just stretches the background image, which looks terrible. I had some more response oddities, but I assume you can get those from server logs.
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Yeah, the old famous marvel lawsuits. shame on them.
Anyway, one thing that you should probably look at is the landscape mode. Right now it just stretches the background image, which looks terrible. I had some more response oddities, but I assume you can get those from server logs.
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I can only see it if the command broke somehow. It is configured so my only logs are the IP origin of a failed connection or SSL error and issues with code execution. What is sent and received aren't logged.
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With Google Drive, we have access to cloud stored documents and files. Now it is time to store apps in the cloud as well. With the size restrictions of the Nexus 7, what better way to shut Apple and Microsoft up than with cloud stored apps. There's no need for expandable on device storage when you can simply upgrade your Google Drive plan, or whatever Google can come up with, to store unlimited apps and app data.
Join the discussion on productforums.google
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Your apps are already stored on the android market.
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I'm gonna guess you haven't thought this out much.
If you mean, no more installing apps to local storage, then that's a lot of bandwidth there to 'use' apps, buddy.
What you're probably thinking of are webapps, and those have been around for years.
Yes. Im thinking of doing away with the need for locally stored apps. And bandwith wouldn't be an issue for Google. Think about how many people are streaming youtube videos and music from Google Play. I'm sure that would be the least of their worries. All I'm saying is that cloud stored apps would kill the selling points of all the other manufacturers on the topic of expanded storage.
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I'm gonna guess you haven't thought this out much.
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Actually, I can see plenty of benefit for something like this. There are plenty of apps that I infrequently use, and that are small enough to be dynamically downloaded and executed as required, or at the very least archived back to the cloud and recalled as required.
Yes, you could argue that these could be webapps, but these frequently don't have the necessary system permissions to provide the required functionality when compared to a 'native' app.
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@OP
Look up Chrome OS and learn the reasons why it failed. Therein lies your answer.
OK, a short answer: responsiveness trumps storage savings. Local apps are more responsive than cloud-based apps. QED.
There are certain software categories that are/will be cloud-based. Those you normally use, that require high degree of interaction and responsiveness, are not among them.
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@OP
Look up Chrome OS and learn the reasons why it failed. Therein lies your answer.
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With Chrome OS, you're talking about a computer operating system. The reason Chrome OS will fail is because people would rather not carry a laptop around that does nothing more than their tablet. Google realized that, hints why the release of the Nexus 7 and Android 4.1 Jelly Bean. The reality is that Google is moving toward everything being stored in the cloud, one baby step at a time. We can already store music and videos in the cloud from Google Play Music, and Google Play Videos. We can store books and documents as well. All of which can be accessed straight from our Android devices. We're not talking about booting up into a web browser here, we're talking about having apps cued to run from the cloud rather than fill up unnecessary space on limited devices. Take the new Batman game for Android for example. The game data is about 1.3 gb. You're using less than 25% of that while you're playing the game because there are parts of the game saved on your device that you have yet to get to or have already completed. So what's the point of that data being there if it is not being used? Another way to look at it would be apps that you rarely use. Why have them stored locally if you use them once in a while like apps that make the best profile pic on Facebook?
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>The reality is that Google is moving toward everything being stored in the cloud, one baby step at a time
Your version of reality is a bit different than mine, apparently. In my version, bandwidth costs money (not Google's, mine), much more money than additional storage. There's also such a thing as latency.
>We can already store music and videos in the cloud from Google Play Music, and Google Play Videos.
You must like playing crappy DRM-infested streaming-quality videos as opposed to fullHD ones. Good for you.
>we're talking about having apps cued to run from the cloud rather than fill up unnecessary space on limited devices.
Android has been raked over the coals for its "unsmooth" UI. Now, think of what happens when apps take a few more seconds to start-up each time.
I'm not sure how simpler I can say it, so I'll just say it again: RESPONSIVENESS TRUMPS STORAGE SAVINGS. Is that good enough, or do I need to translate it to Morse code?
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>The reality is that Google is moving toward everything being stored in the cloud, one baby step at a time
Your version of reality is a bit different than mine, apparently. In my version, bandwidth costs money (not Google's, mine), much more money than additional storage. There's also such a thing as latency.
>We can already store music and videos in the cloud from Google Play Music, and Google Play Videos.
You must like playing crappy DRM-infested streaming-quality videos as opposed to fullHD ones. Good for you.
>we're talking about having apps cued to run from the cloud rather than fill up unnecessary space on limited devices.
Android has been raked over the coals for its "unsmooth" UI. Now, think of what happens when apps take a few more seconds to start-up each time.
I'm not sure how simpler I can say it, so I'll just say it again: RESPONSIVENESS TRUMPS STORAGE SAVINGS. Is that good enough, or do I need to translate it to Morse code?
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agree on all points.
i dont care about Google's bandwidth, but if my cable internet at home starts getting finicky or slows down during busy hour, my apps going to slow down too?
are you insane? LOL
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We're not talking about booting up into a web browser here, we're talking about having apps cued to run from the cloud rather than fill up unnecessary space on limited devices. Take the new Batman game for Android for example. The game data is about 1.3 gb. You're using less than 25% of that while you're playing the game because there are parts of the game saved on your device that you have yet to get to or have already completed. So what's the point of that data being there if it is not being used?
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in-game experience: finish quest! yay! let's roam the open world on my batcycle to *HITINVISIBLEWALL* - "please wait while Google download this area of the map for you"
in other words; web app doesn't work. media files on one hand, such as movies or music, is GREAT for streaming. that's why Play works (to a certain degree). but games, facebook, quick office, and every other apps? streaming online? people b1tch loud enough when they have to sign-in to the internet when they want to play games (see Nexus 7 forum - app and themes - Gaming thread), and they scream even louder when they have to be connected to the internet ALL THE WHILE playing a game. you want to store some files in the cloud?
let me get this straight - i'm a cloud supporter. i do. i love clouds. most of my stuff is in the cloud or media server and i only have the 8gb version. but your idea of putting *everything* in the cloud... is about a decade too early.
maybe in 2022 most north americans will be using Google Fiber at their homes, and 90% of world's population have affordable access to considerably fast broadband, then it'll fly.
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in-game experience: finish quest! yay! let's roam the open world on my batcycle to *HITINVISIBLEWALL* - "please wait while Google download this area of the map for you"
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OnLive.
It isn't quite there yet IMO, but in a couple of years time, it will be (or another similar service anyway).
Of course, it won't be a panacea for all, since there are always going to be places where you can't get online (either physically, or economically), but I can certainly see games architects designing more and more for a thin client "cloud" experience.
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Dave
I'm greedy and live in a physical world,,look what happened to that poor chap who lost his entire digital life when his apple account got hacked.Still don't trust having my stuff on a server without a physical back up
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>OnLive.
The bulk of a game's size is in its art/gfx assets. Larger resolution + more details = ever larger assets. It's more efficient to store (and render) them locally. OnLive's USP is that it does server-based renders, which allows any low-end device to play any high-end game. That's fine, but there is no magic, and there is no free lunch.
With OnLive, the bottleneck is shifted from the local storage/CPU to your Internet connection. The result is that bandwidth and latency are now your bottlenecks. As already said, storage is much cheaper than bandwidth. If you're buying the N7 to save money, then having to subscribe to a cloud-based game outfit to work around its limitations is penny wise, pound foolish. You're better off buying a tablet with more storage capability in the first place.
OnLive, or more generically, "game streaming," is not a panacea. Both bandwidth and latency are issues, and they can't be entirely removed, but only mitigated. Read the below for more detail:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnLive#Post-launch
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Yes. Im thinking of doing away with the need for locally stored apps.
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Cool thing. That's not a new idea though.
And bandwith wouldn't be an issue for Google. Think about how many people are streaming youtube videos and music from Google Play.
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It's not Google's bandwidth that I'm thinking of. They've got terabits of bandwidth available to them, and they're more than happy to deploy more whenever they want.
Your cell phone network, on the other hand, has limited resources. From radio spectrum to tower deployment costs to backhaul to overloaded towers, the bottleneck is not and will never be Google's abilities. The realities of the market are the bottleneck.
I'm sure that would be the least of their worries. All I'm saying is that cloud stored apps would kill the selling points of all the other manufacturers on the topic of expanded storage.
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I definitely agree. But when you figure out a way to drop latencies down to 5ms over a wireless medium at 2 miles, i'll tell you a great way to have apps be stored entirely in the cloud.
Til then, you're limited by two very, very hard limits: Bandwidth, and latency.
I don't even need to mention data caps. So until things change, you may need to revise your plans or slim down those expectations until the market can make those a reality.
I think there was a similar discussion somewhere in this board.
anyways, i wouldnt agree with what you wanted still. While cloud apps are very nice to have, a lot of people have mentioned the processing speed as well.
It is impossible to beat local storage access speed no matter what kind of connections you have. Not to mention wifi/mobile connection is not available in quite a lot of places. (Heck, my basement is a deadzone already for mobile connection, although i still have wifi at home but you get the idea) Instead of paying 60 bucks for data everymonth, id rather have bigger local storage even it may cost a 100 or even 200 bucks more >_<, thats like what.....2-3 months of "cloud"?
People whine when it takes 2 seconds to open an app... Imagine downloading the app first..
Anybody actually use Evernote?
There are free apps that do as good or better job such as Google Keep.
Does not even the Samsung bloatware package have a note taking app?
But there is the Gear App for Evernote, do you use it and Evernote?
Why?
I use evernote.. specially for the task on it. Helps me a lot to tick the task..
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Nope!! Never tried evernote before...
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I do. Handy for grocery checklist. Lol
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evernote, that over 100 mb (on windows) notepad with pictures and checklist? no thanks.
i'd rather use TickTick and bluetooth tethering to use it for my tasks..
normally i use keep on other devices, but i doubt keep will work on gear, as we have to use our gmail accounts.
Yep use it to sync S-Notes. Great to have Gear support for other notes and checklists
Evernote is fantastic.. Use it a lot for work.
I use Evernote everyday. Its an essential part of my workflow.
Im a photojournalist and have been using Evernote to take notes on all the assignments/photos I take for around 4 years and its just awesome.
The key is to make sure that you create many notebooks so that the content is well organized.
The only other app that I use is OneNote which is fantastic in a different way.
Evernote on the Gear is actually quite functional (but limiting at the same time)
Its really easy for me, when Im processing the photos I shot, to just take a peek at names in the Evernote Gear app.
Besides that, Evernote is also great when used in conjunction with the Chrome clip extension on desktop, or EverClip app on Android, to grab stuff you want to check out later from the web.
The only other app that I use regularly (and there is an app on Gear) is Pocket. I use Pocket because it gives me the ability of having my phone read me the story while I drive. Thanks to the Gear app you can access the particular story you sent to Pocket from your browser real easily.
Hope that gives you a little more info.
I use evernote constantly for everything. Very useful for deeply complex tasks which require note taking in order to close off. If you ever try to tackle something that seems overwhelming, try using something like evernote. Just break it into parts, brainstorm around those parts, and do excessive note taking. Review your notes frequently. It'll help your brain figure it out.
I'm sure Google Keep is just as good, I haven't really had a chance to use it.
Still, give evernote a chance! It's free! And monoculture sucks...
I was an original beta for Evernote. Frankly I subscribe to the premium and like the new two stage security authorization they just added. The S-Note integration is useful. Making lists that work on the watch is a bonus. It's utility comes from the simplicity of getting all kinds of information in and out of it quickly - you have to develop good tagging habits (and the premium OCR of scanned documents, PDF's etc. is worth the premium). Searching is quick and making notebooks and favorites are key. The power is the cross-platform sync (in my case - Note 3, macbook pro at home and HP AIO at the office).
Developing drawbacks are the usual... As the service becomes more popular the complementary, symbiotic products hype is becoming very pervasive. They added the "market" and though most of the products "could be useful" (like scanners, pens, elephant branded stuff), the constant "Announcement" alerts and product pitch emails are ANNOYING. Perhaps the suits have taken over and they don't get it or don't care. Perhaps I'm (40+ and) not in the key demographic anymore. Anyhow i's the only bad thing. Suits aside the engineers seem to keep trying to making the service better. I use it constantly all day to lookup stuff I need, both personal and business.
Yes I use Evernote,
I don't need the paid version.
The only thing it really misses is a dark/ inverted theme for at night.
I use it all the time since I bought a livescribe wifi (great for meetings and conferences. I wish I had this when I was in college). Love that it automatically sync with evernote and can pull up anytime to recall.
WRichieX said:
I use it all the time since I bought a livescribe wifi (great for meetings and conferences. I wish I had this when I was in college). Love that it automatically sync with evernote and can pull up anytime to recall.
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How is the livescribe? Can't get around to the idea of buying paper specifically for it ...
I just started using Evernote recently and I do agree it's pretty interesting; the gear part is pretty good for shopping lists .
j89 said:
How is the livescribe? Can't get around to the idea of buying paper specifically for it ...
I just started using Evernote recently and I do agree it's pretty interesting; the gear part is pretty good for shopping lists .
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Yea I was thinking the same thing but the paper isn't that much more expensive. Please, you can print out the paper as well. If you take a lot of notes, then it's definitely worth it. There's a new one that came out that connects through BT and connects to an iOS app. But an android is coming out soon. However, i like the idea of pulling the notes and recording from the cloud.
Don't rip my head off for this one.
I'm on vacation, and have to out my phone in airplane mode for the week. I can only do hangouts with people who either have the app, or have android, and use the app. My gf on the other hand, can iMessage all of her friends, video chat with all her friends, etc. Also, my work emails will only work on iPhone, or on android with an outdated gingerbread styled app.
My question is this -
Hypothetically, if the iPhone had a 5" screen, and allowed widgets and launchers, what would you need the iPhone to have in order for you to switch?
I don't think I would switch because I love the look of android, but I feel like I'm waiting for the OS to unify better between OEM makers, and that doesn't seem to be in the near future. I'm jut curious about everyone else's thoughts.
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iOS suckssss. Its boring. There's no customizability. The hardware is nice though, but android manufacturers are now starting to also make some really nice hardware as well.
Only way I'd take iPhone is if I could flash KitKat on it.
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Nothing would make me want an iPhone. Not now not ever. That thing is insanely pointless, and has crappy software with random bugs. Not even the hardware is good and it costs a fortune.
I'd guess making expensive apps so all the rich and upper middle class people would buy them.. Cause rich people constantly know nothing about technology and populate themselves with iDevices just because they think it's good because it's expensive and popular.
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1) Android
2) redesign
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When google buys apple.
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When google buys apple.
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If that happens, hope they sell beats.
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I'm on vacation, and have to out my phone in airplane mode for the week. I can only do hangouts with people who either have the app, or have android, and use the app. My gf on the other hand, can iMessage all of her friends, video chat with all her friends, etc. Also, my work emails will only work on iPhone, or on android with an outdated gingerbread styled app.
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You could have used Google Voice app to text (SMS) your friends (regardless of whether they had iMessage or Hangouts installed), and could have used hangouts/skype for video chatting.
Work Emails, well, yeah, that sucks, My employer (over 75000 employees worldwide) doesn't have an Android app to access the secure network. When some employees (on a quarterly call with a few thousand employees) asked a senior VP "Why no android app", he responded, and I quote, "because as you all know, Android is so easily hacked, and is insecure". Numbnuts!
Yes, I (along with several others) sent Emails to him explaining the facts (and he said that he'll talk to the IT team to see what was needed to get an Android app developed), but the point is that Android development has been on the backburner for many corporations for many (stupid) reasons.
Would I switch to iPhone? If they provided the ability to use launchers/widgets, *and* the ability to sideload apps, *and* the ability to install adaway type apps, *and* the ability to use tasker type app, and they had the screen size that I wanted, and had deep Google Now integration, sure, why not... It would just be another "Android" phone by that time
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You could have used Google Voice app to text (SMS) your friends (regardless of whether they had iMessage or Hangouts installed), and could have used hangouts/skype for video chatting.
Work Emails, well, yeah, that sucks, My employer (over 75000 employees worldwide) doesn't have an Android app to access the secure network. When some employees (on a quarterly call with a few thousand employees) asked a senior VP "Why no android app", he responded, and I quote, "because as you all know, Android is so easily hacked, and is insecure". Numbnuts!
Yes, I (along with several others) sent Emails to him explaining the facts (and he said that he'll talk to the IT team to see what was needed to get an Android app developed), but the point is that Android development has been on the backburner for many corporations for many (stupid) reasons.
Would I switch to iPhone? If they provided the ability to use launchers/widgets, *and* the ability to sideload apps, *and* the ability to install adaway type apps, *and* the ability to use tasker type app, and they had the screen size that I wanted, and had deep Google Now integration, sure, why not... It would just be another "Android" phone by that time
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See, that's the beauty and beast about android. I love that you can sideload or install an app to do what you want to do, but I don't like the fact that its not integrated better. That's the thing that made me (consider) the iPhone.
For things that I really wish Google would do, is force OEM makers to do specific things to the OS of the phone. For example, integrate hangouts as the main texting app, that way we android users can hangout with each other. The user can download their own texting app if they choose, but at least make the stock one hangouts. Because almost all my android friends have Samsung's, and I have yet to see hangouts being used by them.
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See, that's the beauty and beast about android. I love that you can sideload or install an app to do what you want to do, but I don't like the fact that its not integrated better. That's the thing that made me (consider) the iPhone.
For things that I really wish Google would do, is force OEM makers to do specific things to the OS of the phone. For example, integrate hangouts as the main texting app, that way we android users can hangout with each other. The user can download their own texting app if they choose, but at least make the stock one hangouts. Because almost all my android friends have Samsung's, and I have yet to see hangouts being used by them.
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Thing is, some people (me included) like the fact that Google doesn't (yet) force me to use a specific app for a specific purpose. Samsung/HTC and others do bundle their own apps (that can't be uninstalled), and most users call that bloat.
It is rumored that Google will bring VoIP calling capability to Hangouts in the near future (as it did for iOS last year). Once that happens, I would expect more users would install Hangouts (even if it wasn't installed by default). Whether they use it as their texting app would depend on them, but at least you would still be able to use video hangouts with your friends then.
About your first few statements - what is not integrated? From what I know about iOS, Google's integration is just as good (if not better), without taking away the ability of the user to choose a different app for a specific need. Unlike iOS, Android allows you to choose the default app for any action. In my opinion, that provides the best integration.
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Thing is, some people (me included) like the fact that Google doesn't (yet) force me to use a specific app for a specific purpose. Samsung/HTC and others do bundle their own apps (that can't be uninstalled), and most users call that bloat.
It is rumored that Google will bring VoIP calling capability to Hangouts in the near future (as it did for iOS last year). Once that happens, I would expect more users would install Hangouts (even if it wasn't installed by default). Whether they use it as their texting app would depend on them, but at least you would still be able to use video hangouts with your friends then.
About your first few statements - what is not integrated? From what I know about iOS, Google's integration is just as good (if not better), without taking away the ability of the user to choose a different app for a specific need. Unlike iOS, Android allows you to choose the default app for any action. In my opinion, that provides the best integration.
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The default app switching is the biggest part keeping me where I belong. I know I switched to am iPhone for a week and it was the worst.
This Whole thread, by the way, is not to convince me to keep my phone. I love this phone, but just was curious what would make you hardcore android fans switch.
Edit -as far as the bloat, its not bloat I'm talking about, I meant specifically the text app
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Hmm, to be honest, an iPhone with 5" screen and widgets/launchers would probably be enough for me to make the switch. Although the OS would still be very "limited" compared to Android, I don't think I would be too bothered about it. It simply just works better and smoother than Android does or will. People can post benchmarks all they want, or videos comparing app opening times which in reality don't mean that much, but the fact is, the overall experience is a lot smoother on iOS. Even Nexus 5 still lags and stutters when scrolling which is pretty amazing considering the hardware that is inside.
Hangouts comes preinstalled on any Android device that has the Play Store now (I believe... but at least the big flagships like the Galaxy S5, HTC One, Nexus 5, etc...). Your friends may not use it, but it's there :laugh: I think it's been said, but the only reason iMessage/Facetime seems more integrated is that Apple forces you to use it. If Google changed it so that all Android phones had to use Hangouts and alternatives couldn't be installed by the user (there are alternatives for the iPhone, but you need to jailbreak and use Cydia to install them), then I'm sure all of your friends would be using Hangouts. But you'd also upset a lot of Android users who like the choice.
I do think it's ridiculous that Hangouts for iPhone has voice call capability while Hangouts for Android does not.
Anyway, to get me to switch there would need to be a lot of changes. Bigger screen, better support for alternative apps (SMS, dialer, browsers that aren't just interface swaps with the same backend, launcher, etc...), a more complete interface overhaul, access to apps installed from outside the app store (without jailbreaking), NFC support, something like Tasker...
In my country where many people are switching to android, they still don't use Hangout. It all depends on the messing service that is used by all and that's WhatsApp here.
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Hangouts comes preinstalled on any Android device that has the Play Store now (I believe... but at least the big flagships like the Galaxy S5, HTC One, Nexus 5, etc...). Your friends may not use it, but it's there :laugh: I think it's been said, but the only reason iMessage/Facetime seems more integrated is that Apple forces you to use it. If Google changed it so that all Android phones had to use Hangouts and alternatives couldn't be installed by the user (there are alternatives for the iPhone, but you need to jailbreak and use Cydia to install them), then I'm sure all of your friends would be using Hangouts. But you'd also upset a lot of Android users who like the choice.
I do think it's ridiculous that Hangouts for iPhone has voice call capability while Hangouts for Android does not.
Anyway, to get me to switch there would need to be a lot of changes. Bigger screen, better support for alternative apps (SMS, dialer, browsers that aren't just interface swaps with the same backend, launcher, etc...), a more complete interface overhaul, access to apps installed from outside the app store (without jailbreaking), NFC support, something like Tasker...
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I think it would be nice to force that as the stock messaging app, but give users the choice to change it via the market. But that way, my not so techy friends can actually start using hangouts with integration and the techy ones can figure out how to use other messaging apps if they prefer.
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I think it would be nice to force that as the stock messaging app, but give users the choice to change it via the market. But that way, my not so techy friends can actually start using hangouts with integration and the techy ones can figure out how to use other messaging apps if they prefer.
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Well, that's how Google handles the Nexus phones, but that's far more control than they have exerted on manufacturer skinned phones. Samsung already doesn't like that they need to include all of the Google apps (apart from the play store) alongside their own, I think that enforcing that they be the default would cause an issue. Especially with Samsung's market share of Android phones.
what would make me want an iphone...hmm...maybe if it wasnt an iphone...that is all.
They'd have to become fully open source for me to even think about it and even then.. Na shock treatment is the only way. ;P Females tend to prefer iphones more than males i think. At least more females that I know use them vs males who i know and they will NOT switch.. My wife, ex now had to have one so i bought her one when we were together. Wasn't impressed with anything but the camera and now Android is just as good in that department.. Android rules!! \m/ Been with Android since the G1.. I have so much love and respect for open source and the customization of Android blows apple off the map.. We can tweak our devices 100% with root, custom roms, kernels and themes.. Aosp is just too great imo.
There are so many apps im sure you can find something that will get the job done..
A great story buy one cool guy... http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wYgofunq3OE
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justinisloco said:
Don't rip my head off for this one.
I'm on vacation, and have to out my phone in airplane mode for the week. I can only do hangouts with people who either have the app, or have android, and use the app. My gf on the other hand, can iMessage all of her friends, video chat with all her friends, etc. Also, my work emails will only work on iPhone, or on android with an outdated gingerbread styled app.
My question is this -
Hypothetically, if the iPhone had a 5" screen, and allowed widgets and launchers, what would you need the iPhone to have in order for you to switch?
I don't think I would switch because I love the look of android, but I feel like I'm waiting for the OS to unify better between OEM makers, and that doesn't seem to be in the near future. I'm jut curious about everyone else's thoughts.
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The ability to obtain root access through means other than exploits that Apple patches as fast as they can. If that were possible, along with some more customization, I might consider it. And a price drop. Way too expensive.
Nothing...ever. Even if it was free. Lol
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Hi all,
Just curious to see if many people out there are running there device without loading up Google services or apps. It interests me to think, what the device would run like if perhaps had alternatives to the Google framework running constantly and other apps in the place of Gmail,Maps etc.....
I see that someone has already attempted this:
http://android.izzysoft.de/articles/named/android-without-google-1
What are peoples thoughts, anyone tried this on our Shamu?
Thanks for posting this. That's an interesting article you attached. And yes I am interested in android without Google.
I had considered Ubuntu Touch, but the only phone it's relatively well developed for is the Nexus 4.
It would be interesting if a Dev would pick up Ubuntu Touch development for our device.
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cam30era said:
Thanks for posting this. That's an interesting article you attached. And yes I am interested in android without Google.
I had considered Ubuntu Touch, but the only phone it's relatively well developed for is the Nexus 4.
It would be interesting if a Dev would pick up Ubuntu Touch development for our device.
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I am indeed really curious to try this out sometime...
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I don't see the point to be honest. Its nothing I want to try.
In my opinion, all the guy in that article you linked is doing is trading a crocodile for an alligator. The article starts by pointing out Google knows what pics you have in your Gmail. This is true. Then the author proceeds to recommend "App Replacements" that include all different sorts of closed-source apps of unknown origin. Why? At least I know roughly what Google is doing. I have no idea whatsoever what, say, the developer of the maps apps he suggests are going to do with my location data. There's an old adage "stick with the devil know". Don't get me wrong, I mistrust Google and all tech companies, so I keep my music/pics/movies/media on my own servers that I control, not on theirs. Email is too difficult to manage without some help, so they still get that.
All that being said, the easiest way to remove Google would be to build an AOSP rom for your device and don't install the GAPPS package. The device feels like a connected smart calculator, though, and they know it, so there in lies the trade off you're making with them.
crachel said:
In my opinion, all the guy in that article you linked is doing is trading a crocodile for an alligator. The article starts by pointing out Google knows what pics you have in your Gmail. This is true. Then the author proceeds to recommend "App Replacements" that include all different sorts of closed-source apps of unknown origin. Why? At least I know roughly what Google is doing. I have no idea whatsoever what, say, the developer of the maps apps he suggests are going to do with my location data. There's an old adage "stick with the devil know". Don't get me wrong, I mistrust Google and all tech companies, so I keep my music/pics/movies/media on my own servers that I control, not on theirs. Email is too difficult to manage without some help, so they still get that.
All that being said, the easiest way to remove Google would be to build an AOSP rom for your device and don't install the GAPPS package. The device feels like a connected smart calculator, though, and they know it, so there in lies the trade off you're making with them.
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I feel the same. Everyone thinks that Google are reading our emails and watching our every move. In reality our emails are indexed (err... That's how SEARCH works) and the data that is collected is fed into a matrix to allow Google to sell advertising based on the fact they can target their campaigns... Its hardly evil. Its not like humans are (or even can) read the data...
Facebook is much more evil, and I let them have data.
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In my opinion, all the guy in that article you linked is doing is trading a crocodile for an alligator. The article starts by pointing out Google knows what pics you have in your Gmail. This is true. Then the author proceeds to recommend "App Replacements" that include all different sorts of closed-source apps of unknown origin. Why? At least I know roughly what Google is doing. I have no idea whatsoever what, say, the developer of the maps apps he suggests are going to do with my location data. There's an old adage "stick with the devil know". Don't get me wrong, I mistrust Google and all tech companies, so I keep my music/pics/movies/media on my own servers that I control, not on theirs. Email is too difficult to manage without some help, so they still get that.
All that being said, the easiest way to remove Google would be to build an AOSP rom for your device and don't install the GAPPS package. The device feels like a connected smart calculator, though, and they know it, so there in lies the trade off you're making with them.
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I feel the same. Everyone thinks that Google are reading our emails and watching our every move. In reality our emails are indexed (err... That's how SEARCH works) and the data that is collected is fed into a matrix to allow Google to sell advertising based on the fact they can target their campaigns... Its hardly evil. Its not like humans are (or even can) read the data...
Facebook is much more evil, and I let them have data.
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Agreed guys.
My curiosity lays in the potential any of any performance gains could be had, what with the occurrence of play services drains etc.
Like you say though, perhaps better the devil we know...
cd993 said:
Agreed guys.
My curiosity lays in the potential any of any performance gains could be had, what with the occurrence of play services drains etc.
Like you say though, perhaps better the devil we know...
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It could be worth a play for those reasons. Your OP did seem to point towards performance, until the link
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It could be worth a play for those reasons. Your OP did seem to point towards performance, until the link
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Aye it's the performance I'm intrigued by....
"Instead of being run-down to ~50% or less at the end of the day, my battery usually has 70%+ of its juice left when placed into its cradle at night, without me changing „my device usage patterns“.
I love flashing custom roms, currently I am on temasek cm12.1. With recent google play service updates I have fell victim to wakelocks etc. caused. I have seemed to put them at bay with disabling services however it makes me wonder, could I live without the google integration? For me, I use gmail, browser and contacts sync - but perhaps if I were to debloat all google services, could this be of benefit?
Who knows, it may all be a waste of time, but it could be fun to try at least!
Perhaps we could start listing applications which would still allow us to get things done, let's say's say an alternative maps app, email etc.
Interesting reads....
http://knitatoms.net/2014/02/android-without-google-apps/
http://www.itworld.com/article/2832391/mobile/can-an-android-phone-run-without-google-.html
Check these too!
http://0p.no/2014/10/16/nogapps___a_replacement_for_gapps.html
This guy went for it!
http://www.augmentedmind.de/en/articles/android-without-google.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1715375
I am pretty sure taking Google out of the equation is Cyanogens master plan. Partnering with companies like Amazon and Microsoft to facilitate applications and services Google provides.
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DebianDog said:
I am pretty sure taking Google out of the equation is Cyanogens master plan. Partnering with companies like Amazon and Microsoft to facilitate applications and services Google provides.
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http://www.slashgear.com/cyanogens-next-step-a-blu-phone-without-google-apps-24375192/
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I am pretty sure taking Google out of the equation is Cyanogens master plan. Partnering with companies like Amazon and Microsoft to facilitate applications and services Google provides.
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Yeah but that's not for performance or data protection reasons. Its most likely so they can provide a self_contained product without the need for gapps
If you want to run Android without google applications, just pull and build from AOSP, and DON'T install any google application.
As far as what you will be missing.... play store (obviously). The only other "useful" google service that I can think of, is hangouts (voice/video calls over data network), and maybe some data sync like contacts. I can't stand google maps software, and typically disable it anyway. Copilot works much better (no data sucking on the road where cell service may not even be available), and if you need actual google maps..... they do have a website for it.
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Yeah but that's not for performance or data protection reasons. Its most likely so they can provide a self_contained product without the need for gapps
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I totally agree with your reasoning here.
Because, no one is going to claim better performance on a device without Google's services when after substituting another set of services to perform the same missing functions, the user is left with the similar performance hit.
I.E. - "Damn Cynanogen OS, all those MS services are eating up my RAM and bogging down my phone" ....
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I totally agree with your reasoning here.
Because, no one is going to claim better performance on a device without Google's services when after substituting another set of services to perform the same missing functions, the user is left with the similar performance hit.
I.E. - "Damn Cynanogen OS, all those MS services are eating up my RAM and bogging down my phone" ....
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Possibly worse performance. If you think about it, Google all ties in together and shares data between each other, where as if you had multiple vendors all syncing, that's got to be worse
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In my opinion, all the guy in that article you linked is doing is trading a crocodile for an alligator.
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A baby alligator, maybe, yes
crachel said:
Then the author proceeds to recommend "App Replacements" that include all different sorts of closed-source apps of unknown origin. Why? At least I know roughly what Google is doing. I have no idea whatsoever what, say, the developer of the maps apps he suggests are going to do with my location data.
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I recommend open source alternatives wherever possible. But true, sometimes there are pretty good (or better) alternatives that are not. Feel free to ask specific questions. As for the maps apps: they usually don't collect location data (though they possibly could; but I know e.g. the dev of Locus Maps being quite privacy aware). Don't mix sheep with oxens: what collects those are not the maps apps, but e.g. the network location ("to improve service quality – and 'other things'"). And for that the series recommends OpenCellID – all going local on the device and you can check that (open source).
There are other things to gain: spreading your data across multiple providers versus having them concentrated in one hand makes "profiling" harder, for example. Or as a recent article on German's c't (computer+technic; unfortunately, the graphs are not online) showed: Much decreased network traffic, hence your data plan and your battery last longer :angel:
Disclosure: Yes, I'm "the guy" behind that article (and the one running that site). And yes, that Milestone still runs that way – and except for GCM there's not really anything I miss. Still.