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Worst element of Nexus 4 - frictionless back

Background: I owned the Nexus S, and Galaxy Nexus as daily drivers.
This is my first glass backed phone - but not until I finally removed the plastic film from it recently, did I realise how problematic it is.
In short:
DON'T LEAVE THIS PHONE ON ANY SURFACE NOT PERFECTLY LEVEL.
I mean, the slightest incline and your phone will slowly make it's way to jumping off the edge.
I had never dropped my phone in the few months since release, and the week I take off the plastic, it has hit the floor 3 times.
Once it did it over the course of a few hours in the middle of the night, from the flat night table next to the bed.
The other day, off a counter ledge in the bathroom.
Just now, from atop the microwave in the kitchen.
Each time, nothing was moving or near the phone, and it fell off seconds or minutes after putting it down. No vibration or anything occured either, which would surely expedite the falling.
If you put this phone down on a not-level surface (ie, anything that would cause a ball to roll) you can watch it ever so gradually slide and move around. I can't even put it on a short stack of 6 pieces of paper on my desk without it slipping off before long. I'm telling you these are surfaces that you wouldn't know weren't level if not for this phone treating it like an ice skating rink. Nothing has ever fallen off of them, previously.
I hate it. I wouldn't change the phone to another, but still. Frictionless glass backing SUCKS.
Oh, and luckily no cracks or damage. So far. But I've learned my lesson and now have to wall it in with other objects it can't move past.

Now i know
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I'm sorry but... IBL.
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Get a screen protector for the back or a nice case
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EnIXmA said:
Get a screen protector for the back or a nice case
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Whilst I recommend a case for pretty much everyone else I know, I'm careful enough to go "naked" and appreciate the phone as designed. It's just an adjustment in this case, and I don't anticipate it falling ever again.
A stupid adjustment I shouldn't have to make, but there you go.

Your physics concepts are fu**ed up,if there is no friction,the phone would be slipping away from your hands every seconds already,go back to school to study man. In your situation,it is called lesser friction.
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In other news, walking on gravel without shoes hurts and standing outside when it's snowing will make you cold.
Yes, it's got a shiny back and yes, funnily this makes it more likely to slide off things.
If it bothers you, get a bumper. I did and it doesn't slide around now. I also bought shoes for the snow and that fixed my feet too.
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davidang said:
Your physics concepts are fu**ed up,if there is no friction,the phone would be slipping away from your hands every seconds already,go back to school to study man. In your situation,it is called lesser friction.
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Hahaha yeah my physics are just so CRAZY. It couldn't merely be my writing, you know: using a word that conveys the relative amount of friction, rather than scientifically correct terminology. Get over yourself.
And whilst we're at it, unless you were somehow holding the phone only by its "frictionless" back, it wouldn't slip out of your hands, now would it? Oh, the irony of your terrible post.

d_phekt said:
I'm sorry but... IBL.
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New moderator?
We had plenty of rant threads, no need to open another one.
So yes, thread locked.

Open a Xperia z to manually dry the speaker?

I was in the beach 2 days ago and I brought my xperia Z along. I decided that it was a good idea to take underwater videos and pictures above the water. They all looked great. The only problem is that, its been two days since that happened and my speaker is still muffled. It usually gets dry in a few hours, this time I'm worried it might have damaged for good. I believe that maybe little grains of sand made their way through the grill and are keeping the sound low or something else. Anyways, just wanted to ask if anyone can advise me on what to do. I had my C6002 since its release and have submerge it in numerous pools but never on a beach. Any help will be appreciated, thanks
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I wouldn't recommend open the device, you could lose the water resistance altogether.
My only advice would be letting the device on rice for a while with the flaps open.
Anyway, my take on this subject is this:
I wonder now why everyone thinks that kind of water resistance will make the phone indestructible.
For me, that water resistance (not waterproof) just makes me feel more confident about my device surviving water related accidents.
Just taking the device to the swimming pool defeats its certification (2 m deep pools are not uncommon, you know), splashing, swimming, just moving around under water, or even worst jumping into the water violently just multiplies the pressure around your device by more than those 0.1 bar.
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Good luck anyway.

Since it was salt water, did you ever think about washing it with distilled water? Might help
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Teo032 said:
Since it was salt water, did you ever think about washing it with distilled water? Might help
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That would be my suggestion too. Try giving it a bath in nice clean water to rinse off any debris.
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Yeah that was my first reaction. I actually left it submerged for about 15 and after that I rinsed it on the shower with no avail. I havent blow dried it, I've read somewhere that might help. But thanks for the suggestions. I'll leave it with rice tonight and see if I have something positive to report tomorrow.
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After spending the night on a ziplock bag full of rise and turned off, I'm happy to report that the speaker is as good as new. I'm super happy. Now, there's one weird issue. Its in another thread, but suddenly I have dead pixels in my camera. See the light switch on the left and notice how there is a black dot on either side. These are persistent around every photo I take. Any thoughts?
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abajarde said:
After spending the night on a ziplock bag full of rise and turned off, I'm happy to report that the speaker is as good as new. I'm super happy. Now, there's one weird issue. Its in another thread, but suddenly I have dead pixels in my camera. See the light switch on the left and notice how there is a black dot on either side. These are persistent around every photo I take. Any thoughts?
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Same thing here since a few days and I f*cking hate it! Thought I'm not sure if it's dirt or a dead pixel.

abajarde said:
After spending the night on a ziplock bag full of rise and turned off, I'm happy to report that the speaker is as good as new. I'm super happy. Now, there's one weird issue. Its in another thread, but suddenly I have dead pixels in my camera. See the light switch on the left and notice how there is a black dot on either side. These are persistent around every photo I take. Any thoughts?
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There not dead pixels its a quiet common fault it minute pieces of the lens casing as a lot of users have reported the same ive even got some on mine.
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Futura2000 said:
There not dead pixels its a quiet common fault it minute pieces of the lens casing as a lot of users have reported the same ive even got some on mine.
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What do you suggest we do? Send it for repair?
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abajarde said:
What do you suggest we do? Send it for repair?
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You can only send it for repairs;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2311497
Which is what I'm going to do.

FYI if you ever want to dry the speaker out use a can of compressed air to force the water out, i've been doing this for sometime without issue, and restores volume immediately,

LBTaylor1984 said:
FYI if you ever want to dry the speaker out use a can of compressed air to force the water out, i've been doing this for sometime without issue, and restores volume immediately,
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You are probably going to eventually destroy the water proof membrane inside the speaker if you continue to do that. Not good advice.
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LBTaylor1984 said:
FYI if you ever want to dry the speaker out use a can of compressed air to force the water out, i've been doing this for sometime without issue, and restores volume immediately,
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Yeah man, pushing compressed air through there doesn't sound like a good idea. I'll gladly wait 2-3 hours or a bag of rice overnite. That's living dangerously right there
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Well it's your choice but it takes a quick spray and it'd back to normal.
If you did it with 10 psi sure but this is can which is like 10 psi.
It's up to you but it's not much dissimilar to blowing it with your mouth
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Amazingly, I left the phone over night on a bag of rice and not only did it fix the issue it had another unexpected effect. Now, when I wet the speaker its back to normal almost immediately. I was at a lake yesterday, used the phone to record under water, take photos, and guess what? It was fully loud each time almost immediately after I got out of the water. This phone hasn't seize to impress. I highly recommend to consider the rice. Often times, naturally aspired solutions are the better choice.
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cracked screen !!!

Has anyone else had problems with a their screen being easily damaged , just knocked the phone off a chair with a drop of about 1 foot to a wooden floor and have popped the back case and cracked the screen !!!!!!:crying:

Wow the build quality seems to be really disappointing, but I guess you cant expect much from a 350$ device

Wow sucks to be you ! That's some bad luck, had my n4 since launch not a scratch or crack.
I doubt it has a weak screen more a badly angled small fall, lesson here is get a case asap and be careful.
I know the feeling dropped my girls nexus s one week after she got it,she was irate !

Jiyeon90 said:
Wow the build quality seems to be really disappointing, but I guess you cant expect much from a 350$ device
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That's just silly.... No offence but sometimes it just hits the floor at the wrong angle. Iv seen iPhone break with the same sorta fall
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hutzdani said:
Wow sucks to be you ! That's some bad luck, had my n4 since launch not a scratch or crack.
I doubt it has a weak screen more a badly angled small fall, lesson here is get a case asap and be careful.
I know the feeling dropped my girls nexus s one week after she got it,she was irate !
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Noway.. The lesson here is not to be a complete numpty and drop your 1 day old phone.
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I rock all my devices without cases.
I'm OCD to the extent that I don't put them down on tables without a napkin or cloth of some sort first (yes...THAT OCD).
I could resell everything I've ever had as "mint" if I chose to.
Cases suck. Be an adult and treat your $X00 device with some respect.

seanroberts196 said:
Has anyone else had problems with a their screen being easily damaged , just knocked the phone off a chair with a drop of about 1 foot to a wooden floor and have popped the back case and cracked the screen !!!!!!:crying:
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And here we go again.
Yeah, screens gets cracked when you drop the phone, every screen does..

RedBlueGreen said:
Noway.. The lesson here is not to be a complete numpty and drop your 1 day old phone.
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This. I have NEVER cracked a screen on any of my smartphones, not because they all had good build quality but because i take care with my gadgets. For example before i got my case for the Nexus 4 i would not put it down on a table without a cloth underneath.

Sorry to hear that thats crazy is it too much to ask if u can pay a photo of it?
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Simple physics guys..
Glass will shatter if it hits the ground hard. Don´t forget you don´t own a simple phone anymore like a Nokia 3310 Your smartphones are actually very sensitive mini computers.
Gorilla Glass may prevent the glass from becoming scratched very easy, it will never prevent it from breaking though.

This is hard to read. I have an S2 that's I've dropped many times from hip level, no case, and the screen has yet to crack.
I definitely bought a case for this one because no matter how careful I am I can't keep my phone from dropping.
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samsung continues to pay good, huh op? "screen being easily damaged" sounds very legit; when i broke my phone screen the first idea is write "easily damaged" (note the "easily", lol) on one of the most famous developers forum where i registered with 0 post. Yeah, good try. :angel:

Jeimygirl said:
This is hard to read. I have an S2 that's I've dropped many times from hip level, no case, and the screen has yet to crack.
I definitely bought a case for this one because no matter how careful I am I can't keep my phone from dropping.
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Jubakuba said:
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My point was that the S2 has a gorilla glass and it took many falls without cracking. T barely has any scratches after 2 years too.
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Now random cracking is an issue, but even 2 inch toughened (laminated) glass will break if it hits the ground along its edges/corners because the stress distribution is concentrated there.

italia0101 said:
That's just silly.... No offence but sometimes it just hits the floor at the wrong angle. Iv seen iPhone break with the same sorta fall
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I obviously agree with your first statement but why do people always have to bring up the iPhone to compare things to. How about an HTC One, or a Samsung Galaxy S4 or an LG G2? People think if an iPhone does something then we can just accept it. I would expect an iPhone to break. It is built by underage kids and is known to get damaged easily regardless of what Apple tells us.

Jeimygirl said:
My point was that the S2 has a gorilla glass and it took many falls without cracking. T barely has any scratches after 2 years too.
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Budddy, Gorilla Glass doesn't make your phone shatter-proof, it's just protecting your phone against scratches.

Sorry to hear that dude.
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I obviously agree with your first statement but why do people always have to bring up the iPhone to compare things to. How about an HTC One, or a Samsung Galaxy S4 or an LG G2? People think if an iPhone does something then we can just accept it. I would expect an iPhone to break. It is built by underage kids and is known to get damaged easily regardless of what Apple tells us.
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The only reason I brought up the iPhone is due to the "popular opinion" that it has the best build quality.. Not that it's my opinion though
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I find it really disrespectful when people talk down on people that drop their phones and say they should be more careful.
The reality is we are all human! human's make mistakes! Some make less than others, but we all make mistakes. If you have never tripped, said the wrong thing, accidentally dropped something, well then congratulations you are a perfect person! But no need to put down others.

Wow this is good to know. HTC one m8 is possible water proof.

All New HTC One (M8) Water Test - Water Resistant?: http://youtu.be/lhwvXTVQoPM
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You want to try it and let us know how it goes ?

Hello no I paid 720 with taxes n shipping
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Uh no. I'm not trying that.
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Looks promising
But I'm not trying it.
Sprint M8

This has been floating around for a couple weeks now. It does very well in the test. Yes.
It has since come out that it is ipx3 certified. Which means it can take splashes.. etc. Although submerging it is more then a splash. All in all, its a good unadvertised feature. But I won't be testing it out myself.

Waterproof and water resistant are 2 completely different things.
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In for results and possible lulz.
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I still don't understand how his camera overheating and running out of space on the SD card made the phone rotate under water.

Haha it didn't make the phone rotate underwater. It caused him to reposition his filming phone so it was filming from a different angle. The underwater phone never moved.
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bimmerbot said:
Haha it didn't make the phone rotate underwater. It caused him to reposition his filming phone so it was filming from a different angle. The underwater phone never moved.
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Amazing that the edge of the sink didn't move at all most of the times but the phone and surface of the water did (the edge of the sink moved 2 times, but in 4 of the phone moves it didn't). The phone in the water was definitely moved and the hand moving it was edited out. Changing the filming phone position wouldn't have caused ripples in the water.

ahecht said:
Amazing that the edge of the sink didn't move at all most of the times but the phone and surface of the water did (the edge of the sink moved 2 times, but in 4 of the phone moves it didn't). The phone in the water was definitely moved and the hand moving it was edited out. Changing the filming phone position wouldn't have caused ripples in the water.
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The bottom of the sink is round, perhaps overtime the phone just settled to the lowest point? Makes sense to me...
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All I can say is, either way, whether the phone was moved or not, it was obviously submerged in water for a decent period of time. It was at least a few minutes at a time. That's a pretty solid statement, although I'm still not brave enough to test it for myself.... I'm sure an iPhone or most other phones would be done after touching water. I had a Blackberry back in the day that fell into a shallow puddle for maybe two seconds. It never worked again.

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All I can say is, either way, whether the phone was moved or not, it was obviously submerged in water for a decent period of time. It was at least a few minutes at a time. That's a pretty solid statement, although I'm still not brave enough to test it for myself.... I'm sure an iPhone or most other phones would be done after touching water. I had a Blackberry back in the day that fell into a shallow puddle for maybe two seconds. It never worked again.
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I'd also like to see if the speakers survived that dunk. I know that many people who got their M7s wet found that everything but the speakers worked afterwards.

Mine surrvived having a little beer spill on it, although it did make me panic a little

Not trying it...
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I put mine HTC M8 into bowl with water completely for about a minute. Only thing I realized headphone icon showed up in notification bar. Also when I pulled out sd card was wet on edges . But SIM card was completely dry. Phone worked and played video under water about 2 inches down. After was taken out I just wiped it with paper towel and works perfectly..... DONT TRY IT! I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE TO YOUR DEVICE.

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I put mine HTC M8 into bowl with water completely for about a minute. Only thing I realized headphone icon showed up in notification bar. Also when I pulled out sd card was wet on edges . But SIM card was completely dry. Phone worked and played video under water about 2 inches down. After was taken out I just wiped it with paper towel and works perfectly..... DONT TRY IT! I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE TO YOUR DEVICE.
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Please get back to us with info about problems that might occur after some time =)

However, the bubbles coming out of the headphone jack are not promising...

my god daughter spilled a whole large hi-c orange lavaburst on my m8... i was scared, sad and mad. It survived without any issues at all. THANK SWEET BABY JESUS

Still waterproof?

Hey guys, i have a really big question. In my country is hot now, its summer, i all day be in water ant takeing pictures with my brand new Z1, but.... I have a problem, i accidentaly cracked my back glass, not fulli, but just 1 line about... 3cm long. Line starts near sd card slot and ends about 1cm near aux port. Is it still waterproof?
Btw, i have a original protection film.
Sorry for bad english guys, i hope you understand me.
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jonke11 said:
Hey guys, i have a really big question. In my country is hot now, its summer, i all day be in water ant takeing pictures with my brand new Z1, but.... I have a problem, i accidentaly cracked my back glass, not fulli, but just 1 line about... 3cm long. Line starts near sd card slot and ends about 1cm near aux port. Is it still waterproof?
Btw, i have a original protection film.
Sorry for bad english guys, i hope you understand me.
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Man I really don't know.. I don't think you'll face issues even trying to take it underwater, but still if you don't know whether the film cracked too you should try to replace it.. If the asf is ok, then you should be ok bro....
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No....
A crack means no longer airtight.

jonke11 said:
Hey guys, i have a really big question. In my country is hot now, its summer, i all day be in water ant takeing pictures with my brand new Z1, but.... I have a problem, i accidentaly cracked my back glass, not fulli, but just 1 line about... 3cm long. Line starts near sd card slot and ends about 1cm near aux port. Is it still waterproof?
Btw, i have a original protection film.
Sorry for bad english guys, i hope you understand me.
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I...wouldn't try it. I think your phone just became "oh #*&$" accident water proof. ie. if you drop it in the neighbors pool or something on accident you're probably fine, but I wouldn't put the "1.5 meters/30 minutes" part to the test anytime soon.
This also probably compromises any warranty given on the water proofness. If they see that it has a cracked back they could easily use that as an excuse not to repair it under warranty claim.

Just like i thought guys, but i think its still waterproof, because the film helps glass keep in his place, and the edges of the glass is still glued. That crack is like hair, really small. Ill try to take a picture in the evening, because its morningright now.
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That white spot is from fingers, try to see that little line, i circle it
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I really cant see that line without sun shine, because its really small.
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Why ask us at all then if you aren't going to heed our advice anyway?
You sound like you have your mind made up, so what was the point of this thread?

Water will find it's way. If this crack is all trought, it WILL find it's way.

I jus want your opinion guys
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I jus want your opinion guys
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Well, as an engineer (electrical/electronics with experience in mechanical), my opinion is no, definitely not. I wouldn't risk it.
That being said, it sounds like you have yoour mind made up regardless.

crixley said:
Well, as an engineer (electrical/electronics with experience in mechanical), my opinion is no, definitely not. I wouldn't risk it.
That being said, it sounds like you have yoour mind made up regardless.
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Really thanks! You really answered my question!
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I'm still wondering: why shouldn't it be waterproof if the film is COMPLETELY covering the glass crack? I actually don't know if what I just said is true because I can't get a damn nothing from that pic :')

ruggyboss said:
I'm still wondering: why shouldn't it be waterproof if the film is COMPLETELY covering the glass crack? I actually don't know if what I just said is true because I can't get a damn nothing from that pic :')
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The film could have scratches or little tears in it itself...
Plus who is to say that the film isn't slightly lifted.
You are betting on a lot on a very thin layer of plastic.
Is it worth the price of a new phone?

It's like when you put beers in a cooler. Wait for the ice to melt and you'll see all the stickers on the beer bootle lift up and float on the water.
Simple physics, water will find the smallest whole, smallest gap, smalest opening and make it trough. That's the reason not all devices are IP rated, most of them don't even bother to manufacture something "tight" enough to get a rating, and even if they do, it's more likely a IPX7, not IPX8 like Xperia's.
Water is strong, and it will find its way.

http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/support/discover-more/water-and-dust-resistance/ look guys, Sony xperia z1 ip58
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Yeah guys you're probably right.. The risk is not worth it

As already mentioned here.
It is not worth the risk, you get water in the phone and no warranty, because there is damage on the phone that was not there when you received the phone.
If a phone goes in that has water damage. They clean all the flaps to ensure no debris, then close them, then test the phone to ensure that the phone is watertight at 1.5m for about 30 minutes.
Water in phone = warranty, no water in phone = no warranty. It would be determined that water in the phone had to be lack of care from the user, not keeping flaps clean, closing them properly or even leaving them open.
Further to this, I am certain they would just say the crack in the glass was the issue, again deemed to be user negligence.

I've faced this problem before. I drop my phone on 3 feet high, and crack my front tempered glass protector. And guess what? My phone dead when I submerged it underwater for less than 30s. And yes, water going inside.

if you got air tester machine u lucky but i recommend you bring to sony center
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