Just learned that all Windows Phone 8 have limitation in BT, HID tools e.g. an external keyboard, cannot be connected. What reason MS has for such a thing is not explainable. I want to use a foldable keyboard but cannot. Is here someone who knows to fix the BT stack? We all should complain by MS. the same with the weekly calendar and notes or to does. I like my Samsung ATIV S but not this nonsense from the software - OS builders. In which world do they live?
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Just learned that all Windows Phone 8 have limitation in BT, HID tools e.g. an external keyboard, cannot be connected. What reason MS has for such a thing is not explainable. I want to use a foldable keyboard but cannot. Is here someone who knows to fix the BT stack? We all should complain by MS. the same with the weekly calendar and notes or to does. I like my Samsung ATIV S but not this nonsense from the software - OS builders. In which world do they live?
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We feel your pain. I spent the time to explain the BT stack issue in your other threads about this same topic. I also included links to the Survey MS site to add your votes so that this will be included.
I can't imagine we will have to wait much longer for them to accept it. Who knows, so irritating to not have a keyboard.
Microsoft ran out of time when releasing WP, that's why so many features are missing.
ellokomen said:
Microsoft ran out of time when releasing WP, that's why so many features are missing.
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MS on WP8 updated the BT stacks that devs had access to and simply left one of the key six out. Do we know that they ran out of time, because it certainly seems like they just don't know if they want to support it, vs not having time for it...
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Arrogant Microsoft knows better and removes synchronization over Wi-Fi possibility in ActiveSync 4.0 and Windows Mobile 5.0 - more information available
May 23, 2005 [Wireless (Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, ...)]
Competition is adding features in new versions of mobile platforms. Microsoft is removing some features.
We have mentioned it already previously, that no longer ActiveSync over Wi-Fi will be possible in Windows Mobile 5.0, and now there is some addtional background information available about this serious mistake of Microsoft with regard to Wi-Fi synchronization:
the wifi/ethernet sync capabilities had to be removed in ActiveSync 4.0 for security reasons. When decision was made, there was plenty of disappointment internally and a number meetings where smart folks tried to find ways to keep the feature in without risking security and without slipping the schedule commitments we had made. Unfortunately, that ended up not being possible for AS 4.0.
To read more on this topic (rather lame justifications from Microsoft employees) click here.
Conclusion: again Microsoft behaves in a totally arrogant and disrespecting (for end customers) way: removes the feature that was heavily used by many people. While other corporations are innovating strongly (example: next version of iTunes will include native support for Podcasting, while next Windows Media Player and ActiveSync will not support it), Microsoft is removing features and not innovating at all - just imitating features that others had 2-3 years ago (as it is with camera API in Windows Mobile 5.0). Clearly Microsoft needs some urgent changes because something is wrong there.
This is the only reason i'm not upgrading to WM5...
WM5 needs AS4 and AS4 does not support sync over wifi, this is the feature i love most in my ppc, getting my mails, documents... everything while sitting in a meeting room.
hell... i need some alternate to activesync b4 i upgrade to wm5
My guess is that it won't be long before some third party is out with a solution that fixes that problem (fake serial driver accessible via WLAN or something).
I really cannot believe this!! I had a Himalaya and was happy with it. I bought a Wizard now for good money, just to have WLAN/WIFI and - I swear to god - in order to use it for Activesync!! I had a WLAN SD Card in my old Himalaya and it worked FINE!! Damn!
This news are almost a year old
Does anyone have a link for this download? I have the new AT&T Tilt working with BB Connect, but cannot find the download to the BlackBerry Application Suite for Windows Mobile 6.
Don't think the app suite is released as of yet.
Why would you want blackberry suite?
As mentioned above, the Blackberry Application Suite does not exist. Its never been released. not sure if it ever will be.
But if you are looking for Blakcberry Connect for WM, that does exist. See my post on this thread. And in the future, you might try searching some.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344203&page=2&highlight=blackberry
Blackberry Application Suite to be release Q1 2008
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As mentioned above, the Blackberry Application Suite does not exist. Its never been released. not sure if it ever will be.
But if you are looking for Blakcberry Connect for WM, that does exist. See my post on this thread. And in the future, you might try searching some.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344203&page=2&highlight=blackberry
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HI, I have been battling with BBC against to our BES due to policies and I heard from a very reliable source that the product will be ready for our deployment Q32008... So its is coming and I think will support the encryption etc and will be support friendlier since the interface is a propiraty BB interface. Plus, there aren't many security risks around virus etc since it will be a virtaul application suite that supports any BB application and doesn't integrate to VM mail client etc.... So, you can have your WM as a standalone OS once you minimize the BAS... These are great benefits for enterprise adoption and really simplifies the risks around the device support when compared to BBC running on any WM device (or symbian etc)...
as of 2009, it hasnt been released. At least its been showcased and that bring a hope for it to be soon.
it been 2 years since when RIM Compeny said they gonna release it but they haven't released it yet!
its a vaporware.. playing on our patience...
it would make WM so much more powerful... and blackberry so much more popular... when will the two organisations ever realise it?
Here you go (for the Touch Pro): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=626456
OK, now that Apple has announced what's going to be in the next iPhone firmware (copy-paste, universal search, push notifications, etc), what more does the iPhone need until it's a viable platform for the most die-hard here to abandon WinMo? Software issues only of course, no "keyboard" response.
It still can't multitask which I think is wack.. they say it drains the battery too hard (that kind of hardware issue is acceptable for discussion).
I'm already hooked and can't wait to get rid of my Hermes. I will miss internet sharing for "free" though
If i had to change WM to OSX, it would need to have :
- Mass storage driver
- Using the phone without ever installing itunes (yes i'm on linux)
- Installing apps without appstore (same as above)
- Multitasking because i like to listen to a webradio while using my GPS
- IGo 2008
- Flash support
- Skyfire-like browser
- Outlook support (not exchange)
- MS Voice command (not cyberon or other 'must record everything before use' program)
- WMWifirouter 1.25 (because i use it as a wifi card for my laptop)
- Custom rom enabled (because i like to change often)
- external mouse / keyboard support
- rotation in every screen including home, because when my mobile car holder is in landscape, i want every app to be in landscape as well
- msn messenger (not another multi client app)
- galarm (because it is the best alarm clock program i have ever used)
- video recording
- tcpmp-like player (note that i don't know every iphone app available)
- better today screen like touchflo
That's pretty much what i use everyday and my kaiser does that perfectly.
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If i had to change WM to OSX, it would need to have :
- Outlook support (not exchange)
- external mouse / keyboard support
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I need FULL Outlook intergration also, like Business Contact Manager...along with OneNote. Also not having a user removeable battery and memory card is a deal breaker for me. I found the iPhoney drains the battery just as fast as WinMo phone.
The abillity to run the phone from my desktop wth something like My Moblier is really handy.
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I need FULL Outlook intergration also, like Business Contact Manager...along with OneNote. Also not having a user removeable battery and memory card is a deal breaker for me. I found the iPhoney drains the battery just as fast as WinMo phone.
The abillity to run the phone from my desktop wth something like My Moblier is really handy.
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I didn't go into hardware stuff, otherwise i could add a lot more, like lack of buttons, lack of physical keyboard, resistive screen instead of capacitive, a real camera with flash....
The thing i love with this kind och apple presentations is the audience. When they in example presented the MMS function, there was big applauds.. like it was the first time we saw MMS function in a phone. And then copy-paste function and big applauds breaks out, again, "its fantastic,wow" (i think apple was first to implement this function in a phone... or not!?).
Yes, iphone is nice,smooth,fast. And i still think its not the phone that makes the iphone. Its the developers 3rd party that make its nice. I need my phone in my work, and need functionality that works smooth with win xp/outlook.
I wish microsoft takes a look at the custom rom's that is on the market, MS could maybe get some great ideas from them. And one other thing, let us use the apps in landscape mode, i think the 3rd party rotation app works 50%. Give us something new, something with speed.
/Mike,Stockholm
HTC Touch HD
I haven't completely abandoned WinMo because I love gadgets and variety, but I have abandoned it as my primary phone. I switched to the iPhone as my primary over a year ago. Everything iPhone can do, it does it faster and easier than WinMo phones do. Anything it can't do, I don't really use. Using a WinMo phone feels so much more clunky than the iPhone. For instance, I was using my Touch Diamond the other night. Opera works much better than PIE, but it was still slow, annoying, dragging, and at times with greatly delayed reaction to my touch. The iPhone Safari is much faster, and seems much more refined. I use my Touch Diamond much less often, yet it crashes or locks up requiring a RESET much more often. Of course, I have my share of complaints about the iPhone OS X, and the main one is dependence on iTunes. I don't like having to sync folders, I greatly prefer WinMo's way - copying the music and videos I want into a folder on the device.
It's not true that the iPhone OS X can't multitask. It's a variant of UNIX so it certainly can multitask, it's just not officially supported by the SDK. It makes sense, after all, Apple intends for the apps in the AppStore to be interactive apps, the type that shouldn't need multitasking ability. The various apps available via Cydia on a jailbroken phone don't necessarily follow Apple conventions and can multitask. For example, you can install Open SSH and SSH into the phone via Wifi while it's running any other app. All the unofficial UNIX-style apps can and do multitask.
Big applause for functions like MMS most likely aren't because people are amazed at the new feature, but people are happy because they're thinking, "FINALLY!" I know that was my thought, even the very first color LCD phone I ever had could do MMS (Samsung SGH-E715 in 2003).
What else does OS X mobile need to rival WM? Nothing. They can do whatever they like, but after my experience with an iPod Touch I will never buy another Apple product for as long as I live. As for the iPhone itself - I'm tired of hearing about it. Even on an HTC fanboy Web site, there's no escape.
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I haven't completely abandoned WinMo because I love gadgets and variety, but I have abandoned it as my primary phone. I switched to the iPhone as my primary over a year ago. Everything iPhone can do, it does it faster and easier than WinMo phones do. Anything it can't do, I don't really use. Using a WinMo phone feels so much more clunky than the iPhone. For instance, I was using my Touch Diamond the other night. Opera works much better than PIE, but it was still slow, annoying, dragging, and at times with greatly delayed reaction to my touch. The iPhone Safari is much faster, and seems much more refined. I use my Touch Diamond much less often, yet it crashes or locks up requiring a RESET much more often. Of course, I have my share of complaints about the iPhone OS X, and the main one is dependence on iTunes. I don't like having to sync folders, I greatly prefer WinMo's way - copying the music and videos I want into a folder on the device.
It's not true that the iPhone OS X can't multitask. It's a variant of UNIX so it certainly can multitask, it's just not officially supported by the SDK. It makes sense, after all, Apple intends for the apps in the AppStore to be interactive apps, the type that shouldn't need multitasking ability. The various apps available via Cydia on a jailbroken phone don't necessarily follow Apple conventions and can multitask. For example, you can install Open SSH and SSH into the phone via Wifi while it's running any other app. All the unofficial UNIX-style apps can and do multitask.
Big applause for functions like MMS most likely aren't because people are amazed at the new feature, but people are happy because they're thinking, "FINALLY!" I know that was my thought, even the very first color LCD phone I ever had could do MMS (Samsung SGH-E715 in 2003).
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Agreed 100% After many many years of being a HTC fan boy I out of here, after only a week with my iphone .... i love it and yep I did have to jailbreak it to make it really the phone I wanted but then again didnt have to flash my htc's to do the same?
Look, everyone to there own but you for me I was sick of paying £500+ for something that looks and feels the same year in year out and only now realise how poor the wm os runs.
goodbye fairwell my OLD friend WM
xxx
this iphone term 'jailbreak' means what? supercid? and can these be unlocked for any GSM carrier?
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this iphone term 'jailbreak' means what? supercid? and can these be unlocked for any GSM carrier?
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It Means 'Rooting'
Hey there,
Does anyone also own a Freedom Pro Keyboard ? It works to install the ****ty Firmware but i cannot connect the Keyboard with, so that the User defined Shortcuts are unable to manage .
They (according to their FAQ) know the Problem, but their solve doesnt
work.
So my question to you guys is if you solved this problem.
thx a lot for any helpful answers
I have had nothing but trouble with Freedom keyboards - I tried the Freedom Pro, but I could only get it to do the basic keyboard functions with my HD2, no special buttons or characters. I sold it to my wife who uses it with her Blackberry without any problems at all - possibly this is an issue with WM becoming defunct, developers can't be bothered to produce proper software for the platform any longer.
I remember I had issues with the Universal 2 before that - again, it works ok as a basic keyboard with the HD2, but both keyboards actually stopped working if I loaded the proper drivers!!
Unfortunately, with the departure of Stowaway/iGo, Freedom are in a monopoly position in this market.
Bottom line - if you want a basic keyboard of a good size and ease of use, it's ok, but don't imagine you are going to get fancy features based on my experience.
rjstep3
Ok, thx anyway for information ..
i bought it because of the ability to define Shortcuts
i think i sell it on ricardo / Ebay ..
but i've seen some other Keyboards somewhere in a I-net-Shop.
so hopefully i will find some handy Gear
update:
is it possible to inactivate the WM HID Software ?
maybe this would help .. or try another Bluetooth Stack ?
ok again update:
maybe they fixed something, but i downloaded a few minutes ago
the Firmware (its the File for Broadcomm BT Stack, message to all noobs like i am
installed it again and , hey , it works !!
thx because i was going to be angry ....!!
Hi forum,
first let me thanks for the forum, as a new htc hd2 user i found a lots of interesting things here.
I'm stuck with my old BK600 (com one, but omiz and freedom kb rebranded)
There are new keyboard (expensive), news driver (not working), future drivers (never going to be released), so as i'm a software developper, i wasn't really glad to abandon and to buy another. The problem is that've never made a driver for windows mobile, and i'm not specialized on bluetooth, so be indulgent...
After searching internet and seeing some articles, i've been on broadcom site (they're doin' the bt stack, so it's normal to go on their site ... guess what ...
i've downloaded the bluetooth stack sdk)
As i develop under linux, but also under windows, i've a visual studio 2008 installed. I compiled the Spp (probably serial port) sample, and without any driver the keyboard paired, negociated a serial port and the monitor show byte received when typing on the keyboard.
So now, if someone have some tutorials to write windows phone driver, i take.
I also would like to discuss about another approch.
What would you think to transcode the keyboard code received in a thread and to redirect them on standard input ? would it be possible ?
Anyway, my needs are very simple, just a bluetooth kb to type on it, no extra functions, ...
Regards.
CLS.
You should post this to the WM Development forum. There you will find many helpful developers.
Also as a first reply: you should search this on MSDN.
I wish you good luck in your journey for developing this driver...