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Who else is super excited. The minute preview image is out, I'll flash it and remove android. Ubuntu should be faster, smoother and more battery friendly than android. And it sure looks beautiful.
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Who else is super excited. The minute preview image is out, I'll flash it and remove crappy android.
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Android is crappy?
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I'll flash it and remove crappy android.
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Good, a brave volunteer ! testing 1 2 . Keep us posted, it will be very interesting.
So far so good with Android here but Ubuntu will certainly be a great alternative.
I'm down for testing. I wont say I'd remove android altogether, but I'd love to see how far Ubuntu can take us...slacker radio better develop an app for it though or it will be short lived.
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I'll definitely try it out with MultiROM. Was disappointed with the current Ubuntu build so if there's a more finger friendly interface, that'd be awesome.
Everyone stop! CRAPPY android? Wtf dude...
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In front of Ubuntu it will be.
Android runs on a virtual machine and it will never change cause it has came a long way. It will always be more ram hungry than pure Linux based operating systems, it will always be slower, laggy and will always consume battery faster. That's why its crappy in front of Ubuntu, otherwise its the best os out right now, until Ubuntu drops. Sorry, but this truth. As much we all love android, it will always have the stamp of VIRTUAL MACHINE on its head.
huh ? The VM on android may not be as well polished as java/c# but for the tasks it is fast enough. native <> better. The first thing that I worry about is battery life in the case of ubuntu.
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This made me lol.
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I would love to multiboot android and Ubuntu tablet....... But I don't think android is crappy, even for a minute.
Android was slow and laggy and I have seen android grow everything since honeycomb. Android has come far and has the potential to shake the mobile industry.
Ubuntu on the other hand is an new blood and thus lack apps but if they are able to solve android's major problem like defragmentation it can kick both ios and android in the ballz...... But then again it all depends on the services beyond what the handset has to offer and also developer support.
Btw, a quick question: what browser if Ubuntu phone/tablet going to use? Any ideas?
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I would love to multiboot android and Ubuntu tablet....... But I don't think android is crappy, even for a minute.
Android was slow and laggy and I have seen android grow everything since honeycomb. Android has come far and has the potential to shake the mobile industry.
Ubuntu on the other hand is an new blood and thus lack apps but if they are able to solve android's major problem like defragmentation it can kick both ios and android in the ballz...... But then again it all depends on the services beyond what the handset has to offer and also developer support.
Btw, a quick question: what browser if Ubuntu phone/tablet going to use? Any ideas?
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I'll change the words in op. I clearly meant android crappy in from of Ubuntu. Obviously android has some great features that will be hard to achieve by any other dev team. Though Ubuntu will be faster, smoother and way more battery friendly even on low end devices. Also ubuntu's ui looked beautiful in the demos of mobile version of the OS.
About apps, it will support android apps some way or another as both are Linux based. Their team confirmed that earlier.
And I think most important apps' native and html5 versions for ubuntu touch will come soon.
About browser and other core apps, seems all those will be included with os, made by Ubuntu Deva themselves. They demoed a beautiful gallery app.
PS - all those gestures will work nicely with those thick nexus 7 bezels.
And stop firing on me, I love android as much and maybe more than u guys but it has core problems that can't be fixed. Its latest and greatest version is just available on 12% of total android devices. -.-
The ability to use real pentesting tools on my tablet will make my job MUCH easier at times...less hauling a laptop around for wireless testing
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I'll change the words in op. I clearly meant android crappy in from of Ubuntu. Obviously android has some great features that will be hard to achieve by any other dev team. Though Ubuntu will be faster, smoother and way more battery friendly even on low end devices. Also ubuntu's ui looked beautiful in the demos of mobile version of the OS.
About apps, it will support android apps some way or another as both are Linux based. Their team confirmed that earlier.
And I think most important apps' native and html5 versions for ubuntu touch will come soon.
About browser and other core apps, seems all those will be included with os, made by Ubuntu Deva themselves. They demoed a beautiful gallery app.
PS - all those gestures will work nicely with those thick nexus 7 bezels.
And stop firing on me, I love android as much and maybe more than u guys but it has core problems that can't be fixed. Its latest and greatest version is just available on 12% of total android devices. -.-
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I appreciate your better explanation. "crappy Android" admittedly could have probably been worded a bit differently hence the reason the reaction you got.
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I appreciate your better explanation. "crappy Android" admittedly could have probably been worded a bit differently hence the reason the reaction you got.
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Well sometimes I get too angry. If my tablet with a 1.2 GHz quad core processor is slower than a Nokia lumia with a 800mhz processor then I think It shows android has its core problems.
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Well sometimes I get too angry. If my tablet with a 1.2 GHz quad core processor is slower than a Nokia lumia with a 800mhz processor then I think It shows android has its core problems.
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Yep i think the same way; i just got a lumia 505 cause i like how it looks and i do everything on my n7 so my live with walkman was kind of abandoned so i give it to my mom, and that lumia is a crappy 800 mhz snapdragon 1 with 256 mb of ram and sometimes it feels smoother than my 1.3 ghz quadcore tegra 3 with 1 gb of ram n7. Not good at all.
One question - will it support mobile data connection (2G, 3G?)
Otherwise - it's useless.
(like N10 with WiFi only, WTF?)
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One question - will it support mobile data connection (2G, 3G?)
Otherwise - it's useless.
(like N10 with WiFi only, WTF?)
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Obviously it will. Its different from the computer os, computer is only works if u dock ur phone/tablet as a computer. The dev team will explain the procedure when they will launch it.
I'll flash it where can in find it ?
For Nexus 10
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I'll flash it where can in find it ?
For Nexus 10
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Calm down bro. They will announce it tomorrow. Expect preview image for nexus 7 and 10 next month.
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Hey does anyone know where I can get flash 10.1, because I wanna test it out and try to integrate it into one of my new roms...thanks for any help.
stupidest thread ive read in a while right here
answer to your question here:
http://tinyurl.com/yfevdeg
There is no Flash 10.1 at this point!
o rly?
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stupidest thread ive read in a while right here
answer to your question here:
http://tinyurl.com/yfevdeg
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Thanks for that, i appreciate that. I already did that and found nothing, I was just wondering if anyone here had the beta or whatever is out because I figured that someone here would have this.
If someone had a beta of Flash 10 for Android, you can bet that people would be shouting from rooftops about it.
I think it's going to make an already slow phone even slower.
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There is no Flash 10.1 at this point!
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there is no flash 10 period for android yet, the flash included with hero roms is flash 9 or 8
Who Said there is no Flash 10.1
Becuase Starting from Flash 10.1 Adobe have Open Sourced it
http://www.openscreenproject.org/
Read the Article and u will know the Future
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200910/100509AFPforMobileDevicesandPCs.html
http://www.openscreenproject.org/theme/ssi/david_wadhwani.html
i found the flash, see here he is
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It doesn't say anything about being open source.
Flash is not and likely will never become open source.
There are a couple of open source flash-wannabe projects, but neither really works... i.e. gnash and swfdec.
It would be really nice if flash would just DIE already. It is a huge resource hog and offers nothing that can't be offered in a more efficient and practical way.... i.e. flash videos? What's wrong with REGULAR videos? Any decent media player can be embedded in a web browser to play those things!
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Who Said there is no Flash 10.1
Becuase Starting from Flash 10.1 Adobe have Open Sourced it
http://www.openscreenproject.org/
Read the Article and u will know the Future
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200910/100509AFPforMobileDevicesandPCs.html
http://www.openscreenproject.org/theme/ssi/david_wadhwani.html
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hetaldp said:
Who Said there is no Flash 10.1
Becuase Starting from Flash 10.1 Adobe have Open Sourced it
http://www.openscreenproject.org/
Read the Article and u will know the Future
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200910/100509AFPforMobileDevicesandPCs.html
http://www.openscreenproject.org/theme/ssi/david_wadhwani.html
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there is no flash 10.1 currently for android. there are plans for the future,but we are talking about now
beta hasnt been released yet
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It doesn't say anything about being open source.
Flash is not and likely will never become open source.
There are a couple of open source flash-wannabe projects, but neither really works... i.e. gnash and swfdec.
It would be really nice if flash would just DIE already. It is a huge resource hog and offers nothing that can't be offered in a more efficient and practical way.... i.e. flash videos? What's wrong with REGULAR videos? Any decent media player can be embedded in a web browser to play those things!
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i wanna do something like that with a webpage if you know of a media player that can be embedded that would work on a smart phone would be a big help
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there is no flash 10.1 currently for android. there are plans for the future,but we are talking about now
beta hasnt been released yet
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Yea it just looks like the beta is only for the PRE and windows mobile, I cant wait for this to come out for android...
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Yea it just looks like the beta is only for the PRE and windows mobile, I cant wait for this to come out for android...
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i'd be happy if we even had 9 besides hero
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i'd be happy if we even had 9 besides hero
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Yea seriously, that would be awesome...
Don't worry, Adobe announced that they would release the beta by the end of this month anyway
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Don't worry, Adobe announced that they would release the beta by the end of this month anyway
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i though engadget reported we wont get it till 2010 let me check cause they did say October
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/flash-10-1-announced-for-just-about-anything-with-a-screen-webo/
Flash 10 already supports HD video on the desktop, but 10.1 -- announced this week at Adobe's MAX conference in Los Angeles -- is being billed the first to really reap the full benefits of the Open Screen Project by unifying feature sets across a wide variety of platforms on the desktop, the laptop, and the pocket. As usual, Windows, Mac, and Linux will all get hooked up with the latest release, but public betas of 10.1 for Windows Mobile and webOS will be hitting before the end of the year as well followed by Android and Symbian in "early" 2010. RIM's also gotten official with its rumored membership in the Open Screen Project, though the lack of a timeline for 10.1 support in BlackBerry OS is a stark reminder of the long technical road that lies ahead for Waterloo as it tries to match the smartphone competition tit-for-tat in the multimedia space. At the end of the day, mobile Flash means nothing without the horsepower to properly drive it, so let's hope that Tegra, Snapdragon, and next-generation architectures like OMAP4 start to come on board en masse just as these builds come out of beta.
Speaking of fast chipsets, the other big news out of the show is that Flash 10.1 will take advantage of GPU acceleration on a number of key mobile platforms, including both nVidia's Tegra and Qualcomm's Snapdragon alongside ION for smooth (well, theoretically smooth) 720p and 1080p video on the latest generation of netbooks and smartbooks.
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http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/flash-10-1-announced-for-just-about-anything-with-a-screen-webo/
Flash 10 already supports HD video on the desktop, but 10.1 -- announced this week at Adobe's MAX conference in Los Angeles -- is being billed the first to really reap the full benefits of the Open Screen Project by unifying feature sets across a wide variety of platforms on the desktop, the laptop, and the pocket. As usual, Windows, Mac, and Linux will all get hooked up with the latest release, but public betas of 10.1 for Windows Mobile and webOS will be hitting before the end of the year as well followed by Android and Symbian in "early" 2010. RIM's also gotten official with its rumored membership in the Open Screen Project, though the lack of a timeline for 10.1 support in BlackBerry OS is a stark reminder of the long technical road that lies ahead for Waterloo as it tries to match the smartphone competition tit-for-tat in the multimedia space. At the end of the day, mobile Flash means nothing without the horsepower to properly drive it, so let's hope that Tegra, Snapdragon, and next-generation architectures like OMAP4 start to come on board en masse just as these builds come out of beta.
Speaking of fast chipsets, the other big news out of the show is that Flash 10.1 will take advantage of GPU acceleration on a number of key mobile platforms, including both nVidia's Tegra and Qualcomm's Snapdragon alongside ION for smooth (well, theoretically smooth) 720p and 1080p video on the latest generation of netbooks and smartbooks.
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if a tegra + snapdragon combo android phone came out i would buy it IMMEDIATELY i stopped orgasming
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http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/flash-10-1-announced-for-just-about-anything-with-a-screen-webo/
Flash 10 already supports HD video on the desktop, but 10.1 -- announced this week at Adobe's MAX conference in Los Angeles -- is being billed the first to really reap the full benefits of the Open Screen Project by unifying feature sets across a wide variety of platforms on the desktop, the laptop, and the pocket. As usual, Windows, Mac, and Linux will all get hooked up with the latest release, but public betas of 10.1 for Windows Mobile and webOS will be hitting before the end of the year as well followed by Android and Symbian in "early" 2010. RIM's also gotten official with its rumored membership in the Open Screen Project, though the lack of a timeline for 10.1 support in BlackBerry OS is a stark reminder of the long technical road that lies ahead for Waterloo as it tries to match the smartphone competition tit-for-tat in the multimedia space. At the end of the day, mobile Flash means nothing without the horsepower to properly drive it, so let's hope that Tegra, Snapdragon, and next-generation architectures like OMAP4 start to come on board en masse just as these builds come out of beta.
Speaking of fast chipsets, the other big news out of the show is that Flash 10.1 will take advantage of GPU acceleration on a number of key mobile platforms, including both nVidia's Tegra and Qualcomm's Snapdragon alongside ION for smooth (well, theoretically smooth) 720p and 1080p video on the latest generation of netbooks and smartbooks.
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well if it's supposed to come out early 2010, should we expect it before the second quarter of the year?
With the amazing hardware the Captivate is boasting I imagine it would run WinMo like a top. Is the Captivate compatible with WinMo, or even better Windows Phone 7?
I know the HD2 was able to run FroYo, as well as WinMo 6.5, but I don't know if it's possible to load WinMo on an Android Phone.
Have any of the Devs tried WinMo on this beautiful hardware?
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With the amazing hardware the Captivate is boasting I imagine it would run WinMo like a top. Is the Captivate compatible with WinMo, or even better Windows Phone 7?
I know the HD2 was able to run FroYo, as well as WinMo 6.5, but I don't know if it's possible to load WinMo on an Android Phone.
Have any of the Devs tried WinMo on this beautiful hardware?
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I doubt anyone has even tried to load 6.5.3 on it. If Windows Phone 7 comes out and it doesn't suck someone may try to port it. The problem is WP7 seems to heavily favor the Qualcomm Snapdragon platform, so IDK how much luck they would have doing it.
Hopefully a very similar (like exactly) phone will be release with WP7 and we can just borrow it from there.
Not exactly WP7
but it's a launcher, fairly new (first version), needs to flatten out app drawer lag, but I use vlauncher for the apps themselves.
They need to add more features like more white text, swipe gestures, but it's called "Zune home".
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I don't see why anyone would want to downgrade such an amazing OS to windows 6.5! Not sure about wp 7, but i'm still leaning more towards android, especially 2.2.
xbox 360... that is why i want it
There will be a WP7 Samsung phone just like Captivate hardware wise. So, if you want WP7, buy that one.
WM6.xx is too slow and old. It makes zero sense to load them. It's a shame that a phone like HD2 even comes with WM6.5 and has no official way of getting to WP7.
On the other hand, it seems the slowest WP7 phones are all 1GHz and some will show up with 1.2 GHz vesion. So, it is definitely next gen of phone hardware. Captivate is outdated now
I cringed when I read the op
ah, I thought this was some kind of article put out about MS about the captivate...
People ported android to the HD2 because WM BLOWSSS
LOL captivate is out dated. Hardly. Until a chipset comes out that can actually compete with SGS. Either wp7 will blow just like the 6 before it.
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LOL captivate is out dated. Hardly. Until a chipset comes out that can actually compete with SGS. Either wp7 will blow just like the 6 before it.
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The only thing that beats us, is our bigger brother.. the Epic >_<
Sprint always getting the superphones >_>
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That doesn't even make sense
The epic does not beat the captivate. It runs touchwiz 2.5 since 3.0 does not support landscape. The epic is missing tons of features due to this. My evo with snapdragon runs just as good as my captivate with the lag fix and even faster then the captivate without lag fix. The captivate cpu is a little faster but android is optimized for the snapdragon cpu. Especially 2.2.
I really think WP7 is going to be awesome. Running WimMo 6.5 or 6.1 would be more of a novelty.
I hope WP7 is as awesome as it is looking, and that the devs can cook a ROM for the Captivate.
Another fan favorite for some reason is Windows 98/XP on a mobile device. That would be another novelty item, but interesting. It blows my mind to think it wasn't that long ago that 512 RAM, 1 GHz processor, and 16GB hard drive would have been top of the line and thousands of dollars.
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He meant Live intergration, which looks cool. Live arcade marketplace is awesome. Also WP7 will have Netflix streaming which I want. Zune pass is also awesome. If they steal the kin feature to stream it over 3G that will be nice.
Also the epic has more features but it is also bigger, thicker and heavier.
I have not researched this keis thing much. But as far as winmo reading a word doc or be able to sync outlook easily would be all that I think would be useful. which just made me think I wonder if Office mobile itself would be a possibility to run on the captivate. I don't think you really need or want the whole winmo platform. Do you??
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My friend, if you're looking for a WinMo phone with Captivate-like specs, get the HD2.
Personally, I would love to see a port on the Captivate, but its highly unlikely considering how widely hated WinMo is.
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I really think WP7 is going to be awesome. Running WimMo 6.5 or 6.1 would be more of a novelty.
I hope WP7 is as awesome as it is looking, and that the devs can cook a ROM for the Captivate.
Another fan favorite for some reason is Windows 98/XP on a mobile device. That would be another novelty item, but interesting. It blows my mind to think it wasn't that long ago that 512 RAM, 1 GHz processor, and 16GB hard drive would have been top of the line and thousands of dollars.
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Wp 7 may be cool, but without multitasking, cut copy paste, and with MS taking an apple "walled garden" approach to development, we are basically looking at a sexified iOS 2.0. Until they implement these basic features I don't see how they can compete with android, the only thing they do have going for them is xbox live gaming
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Wp 7 may be cool, but without multitasking, cut copy paste, and with MS taking an apple "walled garden" approach to development, we are basically looking at a sexified iOS 2.0. Until they implement these basic features I don't see how they can compete with android, the only thing they do have going for them is xbox live gaming
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They will compete the same way they do in every space. Spending cash, and lots of it.
If I were Apple and Google I would be very depressed with WP7 because MS has commitetd to it and that means lots of resources will be thrown at it. I read that MS is going to spend 500M on advertising this year for WP7. They have also decided to open a Game Studio for WP7 like they did for Xbox with Halo.
Anyway, they also have the most recognizable name in consumer and corporate software. Combining that with the backend services they have like Zune and Live, it will be very hard for Apple and Google to keep innovating at a rate that can compete with MS, especially over the next couple of years. Mobile Phones turn over twice as fast as PCs so saying anyone is late to the party doesn't make sense especially when they still have the third highest market share and they have been on auto-pilot for years.
If you think that WP7 will lack these basic features for long you are sadly mistaken, after rolling up kin by killing it the team is probably stronger than ever.
Just my 0.02.
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They will compete the same way they do in every space. Spending cash, and lots of it.
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Which...is the same way everyone competes. All companies improve their products by throwing cash at it, developing it further, and advertising it. Microsoft may be extremely wealthy, but that doesn't mean much when their competitors are Apple, Google, RIM, and Nokia; all of which are among the wealthiest companies on Earth.
To get to the point, Microsoft may have money to spend, but so do their competitors. To make the point more poignant, Microsoft can't just make features magically appear by throwing $2Bn at it. They will have to spend time developing it.
Life2Monkeys has a great point. WP7 is a fresh start for Microsoft, but it's an extremely crippled fresh start. Right off the bat, they're far behind competitors that are already dominating the market, and currently taking WM6.5's marketshare. Of course, WP7 won't remain crippled forever, but considering they're already starting with major disadvantages, time is against them. The longer they take to become competitive, the more it hurts their marketshare.
P.S. As of Q2 2010, Windows Mobile is fourth in marketshare, not third. Their marketshare is almost 5x lower than the third place (which is Android). This is in comparison to 2008 when their marketshare was 14%; that means that over the course of two years, Microsoft lost almost 80% of their total marketshare.
So, yes, I'm afraid their 'auto-pilot' is costing them.
Source: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/8/30/final-smartphone-share-for-2q-2010-unveiled.aspx
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Which...is the same way everyone competes. All companies improve their products by throwing cash at it, developing it further, and advertising it. Microsoft may be extremely wealthy, but that doesn't mean much when their competitors are Apple, Google, RIM, and Nokia; all of which are among the wealthiest companies on Earth.
To get to the point, Microsoft may have money to spend, but so do their competitors. To make the point more poignant, Microsoft can't just make features magically appear by throwing $2Bn at it. They will have to spend time developing it.
Life2Monkeys has a great point. WP7 is a fresh start for Microsoft, but it's an extremely crippled fresh start. Right off the bat, they're far behind competitors that are already dominating the market, and currently taking WM6.5's marketshare. Of course, WP7 won't remain crippled forever, but considering they're already starting with major disadvantages, time is against them. The longer they take to become competitive, the more it hurts their marketshare.
P.S. As of Q2 2010, Windows Mobile is fourth in marketshare, not third. Their marketshare is almost 5x lower than the third place (which is Android). This is in comparison to 2008 when their marketshare was 14%; that means that over the course of two years, Microsoft lost almost 80% of their total marketshare.
So, yes, I'm afraid their 'auto-pilot' is costing them.
Source: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/8/30/final-smartphone-share-for-2q-2010-unveiled.aspx
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I agree that other companies in the space have a lot of money too, but none of them even come close to the R&D budget of MS. It is rediculous that they spend Billions a year on R&D.
Also Microsoft is not afraid to loose money on something just to get its name out there. Xbox 360 is a blackhole of money, about 1.4 Billion worth lost to the RROD alone. I am sorry but if Apple or Google lost 1.4 Billion on anything they would not keep going. Either out of lack of resources or common sense would kick in and they would stop.
To MS it is advertising in the next generation. They will just keep loosing money because it allows them to develope frameworks and other services that will eventually start paying them back on later generations of the devices.
After your time with sensation and sense, did anyone try the N9? How does meego feel?
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I was one of those people waiting for Meego 2 years ago. Eventually I got tired of waiting and moved on to Android. Meego is a great concept with so much potentials, but its 2 years late into the game. Nokia already picked Windows Phone as the primary OS for their devices, who knows how much support will Meego get from Nokia. Meego will suffer the same faith as Maemo on the N900. Great community support, but no developer supports. If you really like the hardware design of the N9, the Nokia Lumia 800 is the closest thing you get, but with windows running on it. Meego is just too little too late...
I had an N900 that I thought I loved, thanks to it's power. However, one of the big issues with it for me was the laggy UI and non-GPU accelerated aspect of it. Android isn't GPU accelerated until 4.0, but it usually feels butter smooth anyway (on the right phones). The N900's UI was like 10 to 15 FPS max. Laggy and slow as hell. That really, really bothered me.
Then, Nokia said "Eff you guys, no more support from us". And that was the last Nokia I ever bought; the end.
I still have my N900 after getting the Sensation. I thought I would still use it as a sidewinder for wifi hacking, navigation reading etc, but in the end it sits in a drawer.
I power it on once in a while to see how it feels or play with Meego CE, but I last 5 minutes and go back to the Sensation.
It's like an old school car, you spend time and time again to make them run like you want and in the end a hot hatch is faster, more refined and has more features.
I had mine overclocked with kernels and faster with scripts and whatever else I could think or get from the maemo forums.
Tried the N9 in a store, it's nice and the UI I am sure will serve as a paradigm for later devices just like WebOS.
Having been trapped in a DEAD ecosystem with Nokia in the past I wouldn't buy it though.
We waited for 2 years for flash 10.1 which was promised on launch and we got NOTHING. Now N9ers are waiting for Alien Dalvik which might ore might not come and may not work with everything and may be OEM only.
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I still have my N900 after getting the Sensation. I thought I would still use it as a sidewinder for wifi hacking, navigation reading etc, but in the end it sits in a drawer.
I power it on once in a while to see how it feels or play with Meego CE, but I last 5 minutes and go back to the Sensation.
It's like an old school car, you spend time and time again to make them run like you want and in the end a hot hatch is faster, more refined and has more features.
I had mine overclocked with kernels and faster with scripts and whatever else I could think or get from the maemo forums.
Tried the N9 in a store, it's nice and the UI I am sure will serve as a paradigm for later devices just like WebOS.
Having been trapped in a DEAD ecosystem with Nokia in the past I wouldn't buy it though.
We waited for 2 years for flash 10.1 which was promised on launch and we got NOTHING. Now N9ers are waiting for Alien Dalvik which might ore might not come and may not work with everything and may be OEM only.
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Lol, I remember firing up that flasher to get PR1.2, etc etc. Waiting forever for flash 10.1, that apparent beta release that was just flash 9 but all it did was tell browsers it was flash 10. Flashing the kernel that allowed for the 1Ghz+ overclock. Never lasted long enough to see the community update though, heard it was "great" from the N900 diehards, which probably means it was decent at best.
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Lol, I remember firing up that flasher to get PR1.2, etc etc. Waiting forever for flash 10.1, that apparent beta release that was just flash 9 but all it did was tell browsers it was flash 10. Flashing the kernel that allowed for the 1Ghz+ overclock. Never lasted long enough to see the community update though, heard it was "great" from the N900 diehards, which probably means it was decent at best.
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Yeah, me too. CE edition is slow as hell and really has nothing whatsoever to do with the N9. Nitdroid was far more usable (I used to dual boot so I would get to know Android. btw N900 had GB way before some other high end phones of it's time).
In a strange mix of fortunes the N9 got Harmattan which was going to be Nokia's next step to Maemo and N900 got MeeGo (which was the bastard child of Moblin and Maemo).
Only thing they have in common is compatible apps.
This is getting odd I also had N900 prior Sensation. Is this a coincidence ?
As others said we were betrayed by Nokia. I'll admit I was a Nokia fanboy for a long time (too long maybe) but when I leared we're not getting anything that we were promised and our Ovi Store will be in BETA forever I decided to move to Android
ahh but N900 was a fun device, a true mobile computer in phone formfactor and fantastic community support ( MohammadAG and others are doing fantastic work)
Yeah i know what it means to be a ex-nokia lover, for me the N8x series got.my heart (N80,N82,N86) mainly because of camera.. did u ever use the N900 for wifi cracking?
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My favorites were the Nokia 6300b (not a smartphone), the N79, the N900, and although I never owned one, I really wanted an N96. I had two or three other Nokias, but they're not worth mentioning.
You guys complain about software support, but in ALL honesty, what the heck do you even want that the stock phones didn't have / they don't actually have in Ovi store?
I've started my nokias w/ E71 and am still running strong on E6. Almost all the basic features of your average android, but beastly battery and physical qwerty. I personally use my SGS2 as that fancy supercar, that you take outta your garage to play with once a week, and store it back because its rather impractical in everyday life.
Meego is not a bad system but Nokia N9 is last device with Meego so the support will die soon...That's why i don't recommend
Nokia N9 with MeeGo is too bad
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You guys complain about software support, but in ALL honesty, what the heck do you even want that the stock phones didn't have / they don't actually have in Ovi store?
I've started my nokias w/ E71 and am still running strong on E6. Almost all the basic features of your average android, but beastly battery and physical qwerty. I personally use my SGS2 as that fancy supercar, that you take outta your garage to play with once a week, and store it back because its rather impractical in everyday life.
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The N9 is actually snappier.
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The N9 is actually snappier.
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Yep, all true. I had all the phones in my sig, and actually N9 is the most amazing for a day to day use. I am completely happy with it.
Just picked up a 64 Black myself. Any chance of a small subforum for Meego devices?
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Just picked up a 64 Black myself.
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Just picked up a 64 Black myself. Any chance of a small subforum for Meego devices?
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What's the point? I doubt you will find too many N9 users here.
Just go to talk.maemo.org or official meego forums.
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SEEEXY
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Best looking mobile I've ever seen and held.
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What's the point? I doubt you will find too many N9 users here.
Just go to talk.maemo.org or official meego forums.
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I already am. It's always nice to have a different set of eyeballs looking at things and another place to call home.
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Best looking mobile I've ever seen and held.
I already am. It's always nice to have a different set of eyeballs looking at things and another place to call home.
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I almost wanted to trade my sensation for a 64gb N9, but then i found this theme ^^
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Very nice! But you are missing the hardware. The best looking device I have ever owned.
I bought a windows phone 7 device back in december 2010, I loved the OS, but the lack of apps in the market place was a burden to me, and therefore, i switched to android (and I've been using it ever since)
Now, considering that nearly 2 years have passed, I'm considering buying a WP8 device. Is it a good time to switch back to windows phone? Is the OS still lacking or is it mature now?
Any opinion is much appreciated!
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I bought a windows phone 7 device back in december 2010, I loved the OS, but the lack of apps in the market place was a burden to me, and therefore, i switched to android (and I've been using it ever since)
Now, considering that nearly 2 years have passed, I'm considering buying a WP8 device. Is it a good time to switch back to windows phone? Is the OS still lacking or is it mature now?
Any opinion is much appreciated!
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As of now, personally, I wouldn't make the switch for this reasons:
1 - There's still a lack of Apps. Not even talking about the quantity (100.000+) but talking bout the quality. Most apps are crap and do not render a nice experience as iOS & Android.
2 - WinPhone 8 is on it's way, but basically we know really little about it, also, the SDK was not given out, meaning good applications using WP8 new functions (Directx/C++ etc..) will not be out perhaps for...2 months?
And I'm a windows phone fanboy/dev, even though i'm thinking to switch to Android.
Never rush on getting new devices with newest versions of an OS.
There is bound to be bugs, no matter how much beta testing was done.
I suggest you wait for the second wave of Windows Phone 8, which will probably bring better hardware and more variety.
I concur. I can't honestly recommend WP when I don't even know what it has or does...Microsoft has only let bits and pieces out about the software, we know about the hardware though.
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We must have been using different OS'es then, WP7 apps are now in pair with Androd/iOS and beat them in termfs of design.
With WP8 native code support and shared Windpws 8 core, it's a very safe bet.
I am buying Lumia 920 once it's out and Lumia 820 for my mom for Christmas.
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it's a very safe bet.
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No matter how you slice it, it is first gen software on first gen hardware, with zero developement as of yet. There are zero reviews, and no bug reports yet.
Thanks for all your answers guys! much much appreciated!
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We must have been using different OS'es then, WP7 apps are now in pair with Androd/iOS and beat them in termfs of design.
With WP8 native code support and shared Windpws 8 core, it's a very safe bet.
I am buying Lumia 920 once it's out and Lumia 820 for my mom for Christmas.
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There are reports of Verizon delaying or cancelling WP8 because of bugs... I will not be a beta tester for Microsoft anymore.
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I think it's a good time for changing , because now the windows phone 8 is as powerful as the others :fingers-crossed: :fingers-crossed: :fingers-crossed: !!
(also microsoft have many plan for future of windows phone )
so let's do this !!!
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I bought a windows phone 7 device back in december 2010, I loved the OS, but the lack of apps in the market place was a burden to me, and therefore, i switched to android (and I've been using it ever since)
Now, considering that nearly 2 years have passed, I'm considering buying a WP8 device. Is it a good time to switch back to windows phone? Is the OS still lacking or is it mature now?
Any opinion is much appreciated!
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Wait til oktober 29 then you no
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There are reports of Verizon delaying or cancelling WP8 because of bugs... I will not be a beta tester for Microsoft anymore.
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I had heard it was due to MS not allowing some kind of remote management by Verizon? Or something along those lines.
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I think it's a good time for changing , because now the windows phone 8 is as powerful as the others :fingers-crossed: :fingers-crossed: :fingers-crossed: !!
(also microsoft have many plan for future of windows phone )
so let's do this !!!
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This!
I'm also switching now from Android.
I've used Android phones since the very beginning, but after you flashed weekly a new ROM, maybe kernel too, you're getting old.
And after I've used the Lumia 900 for a week, I just knew that my new phone must run WP.
I also think with WP8 the OS will grow up a little, so I am really excited about my preordered Lumia 920.
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Same boat I've got a S3, and while the android platform is pretty cool i've had one since the HTC Desire and while the phones have got better i'm tiring of seeing the same old UI, whether AOSP, Touchwiz, Sense.
WindowsP8 looks different and more than anything fat thumb friendly (a problem I have) and of course functional. I've been a windows user since 3.1 and well i'm not changing anytime soon, if this phone can be a extension of my pc then it's already forming a strong argument.
Being a n00b to the WP8 thing is there anyway i can look at the app store, or a demo of the ui, as well i don't wanna lay down £500 for a phone that i don't get on with lol
I think we are good. Working for Verizon... I can tell you don't believe all the bad news you hear... just wait for Oct 29th
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You can look through the App store online at www.windowsphone.com
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I think we are good. Working for Verizon... I can tell you don't believe all the bad news you hear... just wait for Oct 29th
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Samsung Ativ? A higher end Nokia than the 822? You can share with us!
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Samsung Ativ? A higher end Nokia than the 822? You can share with us!
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Don't take my next words as gold.. But speaking with the Microsoft Rep that trained staff today, we are expecting an HTC and a Nokia next month(no hard date but early/ mid-month) ... Then a Samsung down the road(no date at all lol) . I can't disclose device names tho... Still going by codes n even idk them. PERSONALLY(not officially again, don't want there to be any confusion that I'm leaking, don't fire me VzW!) I believe the HTC is the 8x, and the Nokia I'm not sure. We will know in 3 days from the announcement, and if it's still foggy by then, I will be meeting with the Rep again next week to handle and play with the 2 devices..
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In the words of Chris and Keyshawn....come on man! It unveils Monday!
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Shu. said:
I bought a windows phone 7 device back in december 2010, I loved the OS, but the lack of apps in the market place was a burden to me, and therefore, i switched to android (and I've been using it ever since)
Now, considering that nearly 2 years have passed, I'm considering buying a WP8 device. Is it a good time to switch back to windows phone? Is the OS still lacking or is it mature now?
Any opinion is much appreciated!
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Hi Shu., one of the great WinMo 6.5, 6.5.x Developpers! Nice to see you here. I bought an HTC Titan some time ago and recently sold it because WP8 was approaching. I personally won't buy any HTC WP8 device until it reaches (or even beats) the One X. That said, I'm not waiting for a quad-core, the dual-core S4 Krait beats in almost all aspects the quad-core Tegra 3 (see HTC One X international vs HTC One X US version). If there's an unlocked bootloader/HSPL, then I'll consider one. The best bet now is the Samsung ATIV S (sd card slot, 4.8" screen, yes!), but it's good ol' sammy plastic, as usual. So don't buy anything until December and if you have enough connections, you might remain on Android (HTC J Butterfly)
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Looks like we will get "L" after all.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...ve-aosp-includes-support-nexus-4-5-7-2013-10/
Just want a stock rooted "L" rom so the N7 can feel revived.
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Looks like we will get "L" after all.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...ve-aosp-includes-support-nexus-4-5-7-2013-10/
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Yessss, official support is sweet.
Hopefully it's going to be less crap to use than it is today. The Nexus 7 is terribly slow when you have a Nexus 5
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Hopefully it's going to be less crap to use than it is today. The Nexus 7 is terribly slow when you have a Nexus 5
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My Nexus 7 2012 Runs fine and fast.I have 32 gb and keep it less then half full. That is the Key to Android it seems.
But Now we just need someone to built L For us
L yea Google, this is awesome!
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My Nexus 7 2012 Runs fine and fast.I have 32 gb and keep it less then half full. That is the Key to Android it seems.
But Now we just need someone to built L For us
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Agreed. I had to remove all the apps I don't use regularly to have reasonable speed performance.
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Result! Good on you Google!
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So it looks like a ROM can't be built from this right now, but do you think it means for certain that n7 2012 will get 'L' from Google?
Yeah definitely.
There is an updated device tree (updated directly by Google of course); that seems to indicate the arrival of L builds for the Grouper.
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Result! Good on you Google!
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So it looks like a ROM can't be built from this right now, but do you think it means for certain that n7 2012 will get 'L' from Google?
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I think they will, otherwise they wouldn't be releasing the GPL parts of the source. If they weren't working on it they wouldn't have to.
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Hopefully it's going to be less crap to use than it is today. The Nexus 7 is terribly slow when you have a Nexus 5
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Ha I have a Moto G and that makes the nexus7 2012 seem slow, ill need to start using my optimus 2x to make the nexus 7 seem good again
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A new version of L LPV81 was leaked on development site for a few minutes and guess what, Nexus4 was there.
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Is the Nexus 7 2012 Wifi codenamed "flo"?
This is great news for the nexus program seeing the 18 months update principle is not set in stone. Will be interesting to see art on stock for the 2012 n7.
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Is the Nexus 7 2012 Wifi codenamed "flo"?
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No it's Grouper. I think someone made a photoshop xD
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That's due to the terrible Tegra 3 SoC (even for its time) and awful kernel and drivers from nvidia.
I'm actually surprised it runs as good as it does on the latest kitkat release. Google have done everything they can for this old device.
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That's due to the terrible Tegra 3 SoC (even for its time) and awful kernel and drivers from nvidia.
I'm actually surprised it runs as good as it does on the latest kitkat release. Google have done everything they can for this old device.
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w00t SRSLY?! Have you tried re-formatting all partitions with F2FS, use an AOSP based 4.4.3/4.4.4 ROM on it with ART enabled, fsync turned off and Greenify for all less important apps? (together with an optimized custom kernel). It runs amazingly fast, even without any overlocking the CPUs. It also gives a great battery life due to Tegra 3's companion core. I actually think that the SoC was more future proof than all the Snapdragon SoCs that came out last year.
williamsjp: I have my Moto G here in front of me (bought it back in November) and my Nexus 7 (with the setup mentioned above) is definitely faster...way faster in fact.
I also have a moto g and a stock nexus 7. The phone is way faster. Probably you're right about f2fs and that does the trick.
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w00t SRSLY?! Have you tried re-formatting all partitions with F2FS, use an AOSP based 4.4.3/4.4.4 ROM on it with ART enabled, fsync turned off and Greenify for all less important apps? (together with an optimized custom kernel). It runs amazingly fast, even without any overlocking the CPUs. It also gives a great battery life due to Tegra 3's companion core. I actually think that the SoC was more future proof than all the Snapdragon SoCs that came out last year.
williamsjp: I have my Moto G here in front of me (bought it back in November) and my Nexus 7 (with the setup mentioned above) is definitely faster...way faster in fact.
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f2fs masks the horrid IO problems on the Tegra 3 a little, but if you do much, lag. Optimized software can only help with bad hardware so much.
All-f2fs... Honestly, nonsense IMO. Data and cache, yes. System? Useless.
Personally I'm really tired of my Nexus 7 2012's lag. It was a fast device when I first got it but once I started installing stuff on it and it got filled a bit, it's lagged ever since. If I nuke it completely, fast again. So I could remove a bunch of apps or stuff, or use it slow.. Oh well.
AOKP 4.4.4, data f2fs, m-kernal a69, in case you're curious. And yes I greenify apps which can' t behave and run themselves etc.
I could really use a point in the right direction about making my 2012 16GB WiFi model faster. It's had CM10, CM11 and now bone stock 4.4.4 on it and it's a all a lagfest compared to my N5.
If there is anything at all I can do, i'm all ear's. I see something above about F2FS but I don't come here often (ever, actually) so I have no idea what that means.