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Low linpack scores

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Ok...so the other night I'm all bragging about my phone with some friends and had the idea that we should all run benchmarks to see who came up with the best score.
An EVO 4G running cyanogen, Nexus One on 2.2, and a stock T-Mobile G2 all scored in the 30s. My Captivate on Phoenix 2.5 scored 14...wtf? Why are our scores so low?
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nooomoto said:
Before you make comments I already searches.
Ok...so the other night I'm all bragging about my phone with some friends and had the idea that we should all run benchmarks to see who came up with the best score.
An EVO 4G running cyanogen, Nexus One on 2.2, and a stock T-Mobile G2 all scored in the 30s. My Captivate on Phoenix 2.5 scored 14...wtf? Why are our scores so low?
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These benchmark tools are not optimized for our chipset. The score in the end doesn't matter except for each person to see if they have any increases. When comparing with other phones the true test would be speed of the phone which you would probably see the Captivate would perform very well.

Agreed about benchmarking...but if you need to feel better about it test them with neocore or nenamark, the graphics cripple the evo.
I have had both phones and gps aside, the sgs is far better imo.

Linpack performs better on Scorpion CPU's (Snapdragon) due to full JIT optimization. It is not a measure of actual performance.

Tell your friends exactly what GGX said, word for word.
Then have them test just as newter said.
Then tell them to shut up.
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Will do. Thanks guys.
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Wow..IPhone 4S explodes past SGS2 on all benchmarks!

Who'da thunk it? (Wink)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4951/iphone-4s-preliminary-benchmarks-800mhz-a5-slightly-slower-gpu-than-ipad-2

i think once Android introduces hardware acceleration (ICS??) that from a benchmarking standpoint it should improve. From what i understand of Android and iOS, iOS i think has potential to do better in benchmarking due to being pretty much on the metal where as android is "virtual" to account for all the different hardware sets. Some one smarter feel free to straighten me out!! That said, i don't think you have any one said that the ET4G feels slow!

Depends on iPhone graphics chip too... Not sure how good it is...
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it's very difficult to compare devices that run different platforms because there can be a lot of variables involved.
android still has a long way to go in terms of fluidity and refinement.
plus, this is what happens when software is designed for only ONE device made by ONE manufacturer as opposed to open-source and multiple devices manufacturers.
still, I don't dislike Apple by any means but nothing could make me get an iPhone 4s....

The iPhone is basically an app drawer.

Nexus Prime comes out soon. That will inevitably put the 4S to shame. As for hardware, I think the 4S is the greatest anticlimax of the year. They've changed a small number of things on the iPhone 4 and put a £400+ price tag on it.
Not to discredit Apple. It's a phenomenal phone but it's only just been released and will very quickly be sunk (again) by Android devices.
Just my two cents of course...
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AvatarOfFrost said:
it's very difficult to compare devices that run different platforms because there can be a lot of variables involved.
android still has a long way to go in terms of fluidity and refinement.
plus, this is what happens when software is designed for only ONE device made by ONE manufacturer as opposed to open-source and multiple devices manufacturers.
still, I don't dislike Apple by any means but nothing could make me get an iPhone 4s....
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Agreed!
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Yes I'm very impressive
Edit not impressed
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I could care less. I don't even run those on my phone as they don't mean anything to me.

rockky said:
Who'da thunk it? (Wink)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4951/iphone-4s-preliminary-benchmarks-800mhz-a5-slightly-slower-gpu-than-ipad-2
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Sorry, but did you mistakenly post this trash here in the Epic 4G Touch section? Cause I don't seen anything about your post that relates to this phone.
Damn you guys make me pissy, why can't you keep your crapple stuff where it belongs?
On a side note, it is funny how the image of his thumbs take up 50% of the screen.

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but is that not because of the hardware acceleration (From gpu.. If i make any sense here) because the Galaxy Tab has very high scores, Higher than the reast and close to the iphone in all of them, Honeycomb, unlike gingerbread has Hardware acceleration, so hopefully for ICS those scores will boost

I'm not surprised since iOS is optimized to the max, while Android is still crappy on most hardware. But i guess ICS will fix this.
Btw, the 4S' GPU is the same that will sit in the Nexus Prime (according to rumours).
But whether we like it or not, the 4S is a powerful gadget, and that's great for the iPhone users.

rockky said:
Who'da thunk it? (Wink)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4951/...rks-800mhz-a5-slightly-slower-gpu-than-ipad-2
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I thunk it...when I saw the benchmarks I posted about in a different thread.
Apple never does anything frivolously. They may seem to be frivolous at times, but they always have valid reasons for what they do. It's why they prosper. And why they will continue to prosper.

I get a 3600 score on mt htc desire hd with ccm7 rom, overclocked....iphone couldn't even half that....BUT, i returned to a custom sense rom and clocked processor back down to standard speed and i noticed absolutely ZERO difference, it was still 100% as smooth and zero lag etc....BUT, my benchmark was only 1841...a lot less on Quadrant.
Quadrant scores, IMHO (or other benchmark tools) mean F**K ALL!!
my phone is 100% smooth
ZERO lag whatsoever
very fast
reliable
so i really couldn't care if it said (on quadrant benchmark) 100 or 5,000,000!
Matt

I've gotten over 5800 on quadrant on my Nexus S, Simms22 has even broken 6000 (same device) quadrants are debatable. iOS will again be playing catch up to Android in the very near future.
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Horrid Benchmarks

Anyone else getting atrocious Benchmarks on this device?
I will include some that I just did. Be interested to see other's results.

malickie said:
Anyone else getting atrocious Benchmarks on this device?.
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I've seen at least two side by side comparisons between the Vivid and the Galaxy Skyrocket; and the Vivid definitely plays second fiddle to it, too.

roms play a big role in scores. htc roms are some of the most graphical. try on a less graphical rom like samsung is using and it will prolly be pretty close imo

Probably doesn't help that we're underclocked to 1.2 GHz stock. Once we have root and can overclock back up to 1.5 GHz+ results should be more respectible.
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Do people actually care about benchmarks?
My opinion is that they mean basically nothing. Having a great benchmark doesn't always mean great results in everyday use.
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In every day usage yea doesn't really matter considering I played with the Samsung Skyrocket at the store and the UI Stuttered and this one runs quite smooth. Yea I can't wait for the custom kernels so we can actual get the Real Speed out of this CPU considering if I recall the Samsung is the same exact chip just clocked up to 1.5ghz so my guess is we should actually probably be able to get this phone slightly faster than 1.5ghz considering it is underclocked unless samsung out of the box OC'd the chip which would mean lot's of returns. Either way can't wait to see some optimized Sense and Custom kernels and see what this thing can really do. I also keep forgetting our pixel resolution is quite a bit better which most likely is effecting part of the scoring.

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In every day usage yea doesn't really matter considering I played with the Samsung Skyrocket at the store and the UI Stuttered and this one runs quite smooth. Yea I can't wait for the custom kernels so we can actual get the Real Speed out of this CPU considering if I recall the Samsung is the same exact chip just clocked up to 1.5ghz so my guess is we should actually probably be able to get this phone slightly faster than 1.5ghz considering it is underclocked unless samsung out of the box OC'd the chip which would mean lot's of returns. Either way can't wait to see some optimized Sense and Custom kernels and see what this thing can really do. I also keep forgetting our pixel resolution is quite a bit better which most likely is effecting part of the scoring.
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Why the hell would a manufacturer OC a chip? These chips are designed to run at 1.5 ever since qualcomm showed these chips, HTC decided to underclock these to 1.2ghz because of may be battery reasons.
This phone leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to smoothness, my dad has an evo 3d and for some reason that rom seems to run much smoother than this phone, it seems like this rom is lacking in that department. I am sure it is software given they are using exact same hardware. The phone is smooth but not as smooth as the evo 3d. I would root this thing in a heartbeat when root is available.

nkd said:
This phone leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to smoothness, my dad has an evo 3d and for some reason that rom seems to run much smoother than this phone, it seems like this rom is lacking in that department. I am sure it is software given they are using exact same hardware. The phone is smooth but not as smooth as the evo 3d. I would root this thing in a heartbeat when root is available.
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I think you may have a bad unit... this phone is as smooth as any I have seen...
not a stutter to be found... AT ALL.

Benchmarks are for the most part useless. Proof attached from my old Captivate.
(Also, I forgot to screen cap it, but Nenamark 1 hit 63fps on this phone as well)
SOTP is all that matters.

id10terrordfw said:
Benchmarks are for the most part useless. Proof attached from my old Captivate.
(Also, I forgot to screen cap it, but Nenamark 1 hit 63fps on this phone as well)
SOTP is all that matters.
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The wonders of OC and optimization eh.

How does the device actually feel? Felt pretty smooth when I briefly played with it. I wish people would put less weight in benchmarks.
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It is quite smooth actually. I have never actually noticed any slow downs at all as opposed to other people. Plus we more than likely once it is rooted will get the cpu OC past the actual Stock speed the processor is supposed to be so that should make things that much smoother. Granted at the expense of battery life but still if you UC when the screen is off you shouldn't feel it too badly unless you are Constantly on the phone in which case you would probably want to UC it when the screen is on too.

ClippinWings said:
I think you may have a bad unit... this phone is as smooth as any I have seen...
not a stutter to be found... AT ALL.
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no I dont have a bad unit. I never said it stutters, I just said that the rom doesn't feel as clean as it should be. I don't have any stutters what so ever, I just hate the scroll lag sometimes.

Updated benchmarks + battery tests with Nov 13th OTA update!

Engadget has the first update:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/12/nexus-4-and-nexus-10-android-4-2-final-update-adds-lock-screen-w/
Doesn't look like much has changed that much so far...
Anandtech's review:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6440/google-nexus-4-review
Battery still meh if you are a heavy user, and benchmarks still affected by thermal throttling...it's hard to get a proper gauge though because the devices that the N4 is compared to change from graph to graph...I wish there was a consistent comparison with the LG Optimus G
+ve about the build quality and apparently it has been dropped a few times without issues...so could be not bad depending on how it's dropped. Running stock android is also another +
Will update thread with more links as they are posted.

Performance is good enough omg. We want better battery life. But once I have Cm10.1 on my N4 I'll uc the cpu so I have better battery life.
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There were so many posts, that low benchmark scores where because of not final software....
they were all wrong
I bet camera photo and video is still **** @ 9mbps 22FPS

Raw hardware specs do not simply cease to 'exist' because software benchmarks show certain numbers.
We know the specs of the device, the hardware in it is more powerful than the majority of the phones out there, calling this OTA conclusive is still flawed.
Wait a while, or have fun joining in on the XDA arguing that I see as still pointless. The HTC One X forums taught me a lot about benchmarks...

Audioboxer said:
Raw hardware specs do not simply cease to 'exist' because software benchmarks show certain numbers.
We know the specs of the device, the hardware in it is more powerful than the majority of the phones out there, calling this OTA conclusive is still flawed.
Wait a while, or have fun joining in on the XDA arguing that I see as still pointless. The HTC One X forums taught me a lot about benchmarks...
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The problem we're having is with the battery life, not the benchmarks. It's been proven that the poorer benchmark results are due to the CPU overheating and throttling down - which in turn gives it poor battery life - 5 hours video playback vs 8 hours on the Optimus G.
That's why people are dying over the new benchmark results, to see if it still throttles down or not.

Daemos said:
Engadget has the first update:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/12/nexus-4-and-nexus-10-android-4-2-final-update-adds-lock-screen-w/
Doesn't look like much has changed that much so far...
Will update thread with more links as they are posted.
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Still sucks ...
I think I will hold my purchase till got clarification what's the true story about this under-performed S4 pro compare to LG G9.
My GNex is still more than capable anyway.

omersak said:
The problem we're having is with the battery life, not the benchmarks. It's been proven that the poorer benchmark results are due to the CPU overheating and throttling down - which in turn gives it poor battery life - 5 hours video playback vs 8 hours on the Optimus G.
That's why people are dying over the new benchmark results, to see if it still throttles down or not.
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Agreed. Call it early indicator if you will. If the benchmarks shows abnormal activities compared to sibling LG Optimus G than we have a problem. It also possible that Engadget's N4 has thermal problems like Anandtech but they didn't put in the fridge to proved thermal problems since both websites early benchmarks are equally crap compared to The Verge.

omersak said:
The problem we're having is with the battery life, not the benchmarks. It's been proven that the poorer benchmark results are due to the CPU overheating and throttling down - which in turn gives it poor battery life - 5 hours video playback vs 8 hours on the Optimus G.
That's why people are dying over the new benchmark results, to see if it still throttles down or not.
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I hear what you're saying, but no other phone runs 4.2 from Google does it? I'd wait till later this week when we have many rooted devices, custom ROMS/kernels and what not.
The software HTC shipped the One X running on was an unoptimized mess (which also had heat issues).
The people storming around shouting conclusive and saying the phone has hardware issues only serve to make people fearful at this stage where it is too early to be conclusive of any hardware issues. Software issues will be aplenty on a launch of new hardware.

Audioboxer said:
Raw hardware specs do not simply cease to 'exist' because software benchmarks show certain numbers.
We know the specs of the device, the hardware in it is more powerful than the majority of the phones out there, calling this OTA conclusive is still flawed.
Wait a while, or have fun joining in on the XDA arguing that I see as still pointless. The HTC One X forums taught me a lot about benchmarks...
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But there is a problem if the performance in benchmarks does not add up to what the 'specs' say.
It's like building two identical computers, put one in a different case...one running windows vista and say one running windows 8...
If the hardware is identical, the benchmarks should be VERY similar, if not there is something wrong with the build, hardware, drivers, software etc...and it is not working to it's potential.

This is quite alarming. Agreed with everyone that something is wrong. That's a huge difference: 4984 vs 7628. This might potentially make me wait to see if this some kind of bug. I mean in all seriousness, if I have the same hardware I would like it to perform the same. Google won't admit any wrong doing here either....that's good for ya. Let's hope they see the issue and try to find a fix.
Ugh. What a way to start my day....

new 3,4 kernel guys...give to google some times to fix that.

Well I just ordered one because I'm not really bothered by benchmarks. This is the first phone running on 4.2 and it's powerful enough as it is.
One thing I will point out is (from what I've seen) the N4 beats the Optimus G consistently in Geekbench 2 posting scores of over 2000. We need to ignore the browser benchmarks as chrome is not as well optimised as the old stock browser on Android.
We need to wait and see how the phone matures in time, I don't think there is a hardware issue here everyone is panicking over 2 phones that don't quite match each other...I know if my N4 goes wrong due to some unknown issue I know I can get a new one sent to me from Play so it's not really something that is going to bothering me.
Anyway, who buys their phone on benchmarks?! Are you benching it 24/7? No, so what's the need for you to see how a phone performs in tasks that you would never ever ask it to do in real world situations...

Came across this site:
lwn.net/Articles/524631/rss
(Guess I can't post direct links for now)
Can anyone explain what this CPU isolation actually means and how it translates to actual performance and benchmark scores?

iluk3 said:
Well I just ordered one because I'm not really bothered by benchmarks. This is the first phone running on 4.2 and it's powerful enough as it is.
One thing I will point out is (from what I've seen) the N4 beats the Optimus G consistently in Geekbench 2 posting scores of over 2000. We need to ignore the browser benchmarks as chrome is not as well optimised as the old stock browser on Android.
We need to wait and see how the phone matures in time, I don't think there is a hardware issue here everyone is panicking over 2 phones that don't quite match each other...I know if my N4 goes wrong due to some unknown issue I know I can get a new one sent to me from Play so it's not really something that is going to bothering me.
Anyway, who buys their phone on benchmarks?! Are you benching it 24/7? No, so what's the need for you to see how a phone performs in tasks that you would never ever ask it to do in real world situations...
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Not the benchmark score itself, but the "battery life" ... N4 is worse compared to LG OG, 5 hours video run-down vs 8 hours.
That's what worries me ...

NODO-GT said:
There were so many posts, that low benchmark scores where because of not final software....
they were all wrong
I bet camera photo and video is still **** @ 9mbps 22FPS
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And we are still not at final software. It will be multiple OTAs before we are at final software.
So, there's that.

I believe its a kernel problem. And also, why are you all comparing a jellybean ROM with a new kernel with an ICS one? That's not a really fair comparison in my eyes. That's just my opinion though
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gogol said:
Not the benchmark score itself, but the "battery life" ... N4 is worse compared to LG OG, 5 hours video run-down vs 8 hours.
That's what worries me ...
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ips vs amoled
people hate on amoled but I'll take the battery life..

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ips vs amoled
people hate on amoled but I'll take the battery life..
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Doesn't the Optimus G have same screen as N4?
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0.0 said:
I believe its a kernel problem. And also, why are you all comparing a jellybean ROM with a new kernel with an ICS one? That's not a really fair comparison in my eyes. That's just my opinion though
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More of a fact than an opinion :good:

I thought Optimus G has a IPS screen. Same one in the N4

Galaxy S4 and G2 are faster than G2

I'm trying to understand how a G2 that uses the same Snapdragon 800 and Adreno 330 could be faster than Nexus5.
Is seems that G2 is faster than N5.
Ridiculusly there are many test where Galaxy S4 beats N5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3uZdVsND1E&feature=youtube_gdata_player
GS4 runs on a Snapdragon 600, how can be faster than N5?

Not sure why you are comparing benchmarks on phones http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/

The only thing I care is real world performance and thermal throttling.
How is it running Real Racing 3 and other super-demanding games?

& this is why benchmarks are pure BS.
Here is a more realistic comparison in speed between the Galaxy S4 & the N5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-F6bJ218Bc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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ste1164 said:
Not sure why you are comparing benchmarks on phones http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/
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very funny, I lost that article.

Android manufacturers are known to optimize for specific benchmarks, Anandtech did an article on this. I will only trust real world performance and analysis by reputable tech sites like AT.

sblantipodi said:
I'm trying to understand how a G2 that uses the same Snapdragon 800 and Adreno 330 could be faster than Nexus5.
Is seems that G2 is faster than N5.
Ridiculusly there are many test where Galaxy S4 beats N5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3uZdVsND1E&feature=youtube_gdata_player
GS4 runs on a Snapdragon 600, how can be faster than N5?
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Google has always throttled their devices. So when you push it to the extremes in benchmarks for 5 min straight it throttles back the CPU therefore giving a lower score. Like said real world performance is what matters.
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Even a 'cheating' S600 phones shouldnt be near an S800 phone. The N5 does seem to have very aggressive throttling indeed, indeed my HTC One beats my N5 in just about all benchmarks. Something im sure the devs will fix soon enough.

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Even a 'cheating' S600 phones shouldnt be near an S800 phone. The N5 does seem to have very aggressive throttling indeed, indeed my HTC One beats my N5 in just about all benchmarks. Something im sure the devs will fix soon enough.
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It doesn't have any throttling at all.
They just don't play the benchmark game like OEMs do.
The N5 is noticeably faster than an S4 in all tasks yet the S4 scores higher on Antutu for example.
benchmark apps are pure BS.
Which is better - having the fastest smoothest phone available or being slower at everything yet scoring higher on a benchmark app?
People need to get their priorities right.
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It doesn't have any throttling at all.
They just don't play the benchmark game like OEMs do.
The N5 is noticeably faster than an S4 in all tasks yet the S4 scores higher on Antutu for example.
benchmark apps are pure BS.
Which is better - having the fastest smoothest phone available or being slower at everything yet scoring higher on a benchmark app?
People need to get their priorities right.
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ALL phones have thermal throttling, thats not up for debate, what is up for debate is how aggressively they set the limits.
What many here fail to realise is that the 'cheating' that goes on is just thermal management tricks, nothing more than that. Samsung and the others have programs that detect benchmarks launching, and then set the thermal management to very light limits. In the case of the S4 they clock the GPU to the maximum rated limit and dont throttle it down (533MHz), whereas its normally limited to 480 for thermal management reasons. 533 is not an overclock, 480 is an underclock.
An N5 should be faster than an S4 even if the S4 is at 533, so either Google is heavily throttling the N5, or its got some serious optimisation work to do.

Benchmarks mean fcuk all and too be honest if that's all the op cares about them the nexus ain't for him.
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ChrisM75 said:
ALL phones have thermal throttling, thats not up for debate, what is up for debate is how aggressively they set the limits.
What many here fail to realise is that the 'cheating' that goes on is just thermal management tricks, nothing more than that. Samsung and the others have programs that detect benchmarks launching, and then set the thermal management to very light limits. In the case of the S4 they clock the GPU to the maximum rated limit and dont throttle it down (533MHz), whereas its normally limited to 480 for thermal management reasons. 533 is not an overclock, 480 is an underclock.
An N5 should be faster than an S4 even if the S4 is at 533, so either Google is heavily throttling the N5, or its got some serious optimisation work to do.
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Again - look at the video link I posted above against the S4.
Which is better - faster phone throughout or a nice pretty score in a free benchmark app?
When will people learn - these apps are absolute junk and in No Way do they reflect the speed of the device or the power of the internals inside.
It seriously sounds like you'd accept a slower less powerful phone as long as it scored higher on the pretty charts in these apps.
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Anandtech pointed out that OEMs like Samsung boost CPU & GPU clocks during benchmarks, that's why you get higher numbers.
For Gods sake, it's the same SoC.

sblantipodi said:
I'm trying to understand how a G2 that uses the same Snapdragon 800 and Adreno 330 could be faster than Nexus5.
Is seems that G2 is faster than N5.
Ridiculusly there are many test where Galaxy S4 beats N5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3uZdVsND1E&feature=youtube_gdata_player
GS4 runs on a Snapdragon 600, how can be faster than N5?
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Nexus 5 is absolutely faster than Galaxy S4 in real life usage, no doubt about it. When it comes to G2 its more even between the two.

chrisjcks said:
Again - look at the video link I posted above against the S4.
Which is better - faster phone throughout or a nice pretty score in a free benchmark app?
When will people learn - these apps are absolute junk and in No Way do they reflect the speed of the device or the power of the internals inside.
It seriously sounds like you'd accept a slower less powerful phone as long as it scored higher on the pretty charts in these apps.
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Thats not what I said. Read again..
SOME benchmarks are purely about number crunching and the fact is the S800 should wipe the floor with the S600, if its not, something is going on.
While it doesnt matter if the device is smooth in real world usage it still points to the fact that the software needs a lot of optimisation to be done yet.

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Thats not what I said. Read again..
SOME benchmarks are purely about number crunching and the fact is the S800 should wipe the floor with the S600, if its not, something is going on.
While it doesnt matter if the device is smooth in real world usage it still points to the fact that the software needs a lot of optimisation to be done yet.
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Its not just about smoothness.
Go look at some comparisons of the N5 vs Galaxy S4.
N5 is faster at booting, browsing speed, smoothness, speed of loading of apps, gaming frame rates & loading speeds - basically EVERYTHING!
so you either believe the benchmark app or the actual speeds of the devices.
Simply put - you'd prefer a slower phone so long as it scores higher in these apps.
If you want one of these s600 phones like the S4 & ONE - go & get one! - but don't expect anything to be faster than the N5 just because these free benchmarking apps tell you so.
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You should change the title. " Galaxy S4 and G2 are faster than G2 "

Lol.
This is the Nexus 4 performance discussion all over again.
Other Manufacturers use specific Dalvic patches that grearly improve performance in benchmarks.
If you really want to compare performance of the SoC use something like Geekbench that runs native
code and not ontop of the Dalvic Virtual Maschine.
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You should change the title. " Galaxy S4 and G2 are faster than G2 "
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It should be changed to "Galaxy S4 and G2 perform better then the N5 in useless Benchmarks that don't reflect real world performance"

The only thing obvious from the video comparing the N5 to the G2 is the on screen black levels.
Blacks seem blacker on the G2 in menus and in game, the N5's blacks are grayer.
Google doesn't seem to be interested in calibrating their Nexus line screens

Why does my golden retriever outperform my cat in the fishing dead ducks out of the pond test?
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