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[Q] Your experience with Walmart service plan

So I was just wondering what kind of experiences people have had with walmart service plan on there nexus 7's.
My son broke the screen on mine and they were real quick about getting me a shipping label and saying repairs would take no time, The day they got my tablet they said they repaired it and sent it back, But when i got it back the grey bezel piece was cracked from when they pried open the back, the screen was sticking out so far that i could pull it out with my finger nail and the touch screen did not work and to top it all off there was a piece of paper in there with some ones initials saying they had checked the functionality and made sure every thing worked LOL . so now i am waiting on another shipping label. Maybe the second time is the charm? has any one else used the warranty from walmart on their nexus 7's? if so how was your experience?

Where did they send it? sounds like some sort of dodgy 3rd party company that has botched a repair big time without even testing it or anything
I'd demand some sort of refund/compensation

Life time service center in Ontario ca, I think i complained enough that i get a refund might have to go buy 2 used ones lol

The only time i used the service plan was for water damage on a Straight Talk phone. They just sent me a store credit card though.

[Story]Serious complaint and remorse for buying a Nexus 5 at Carphone Warehouse UK

I'm not 100% sure if this is the correct thread, however given the nature that it is relevant to the general discussion of the Nexus 5 I'm going to post it in here anyway.
Do not shop at Carphone Warehouse UK​
So I bought my Nexus 5 on release day from the Carphone Warehouse. I paid £295. When I got it home to my annoyance it wouldn't charge, no matter what I did it would not charge. I'm pretty experienced with phones and could tell it was a hardware error. I use my phone primarily for business, so being without a phone is completely a no-go for me. I took my Nexus 5 back to Carphone Warehouse on the assumption that they would just do a straight swap, however no they didn't have any stock in.. which is where my trouble started.
They offered me an alternative phone, they recommended the LG G2 as it only had a price difference of £150 and for some stupid reason, I went for it. The device I received was in an OPEN BOX (my mistake, I admit) that has had promotional stickers ripped off, however the phone inside was sealed, and so I assumed there was no issue. Got the phone home, start using it and discover that the phone is getting hot and crashing, this is as soon as I've got it out of the box.. so it's not like I've done anything to it or used it too much.
Anyway took it back to Carphone Warehouse the following day. By this point I was quite annoyed because the store that I purchased it from is a 60.8 Mile round trip. Due to my working hours I can't go to my local one, which closes at 5PM. The store I got the G2 from closes at 8PM, making it the only store I can get to that is open. I took the phone in and spoke to a lady on the Checkout about the issue and she said that an exchange was no problem and that more importantly, they had the Nexus 5 in stock. We initiated the exchange when she checked the IMEI. At this point she said she needed to speak to her manager. After around 5 minutes of waiting and her taking my phone in the back with her, she comes back and says to me 'I'm sorry Sir, we cannot exchange this phone as YOU have taken this phone and swapped it for an identical one with a different IMEI number. Our system shows you should have a different phone'
Quite astounded at what she had told me, I explained to her that I had only just purchased the phone the previous morning. She wouldn't have any of it and sent me away with an 0845 number to call to make a complaint. On the way home I called into another Carphone Warehouse store. I spoke to a lady who called Customer Services on behalf of me to find out how this issue could have occurred. To put it plain and simple, the IMEI on the box of the phone was the same as the one on the system, but the phone I had had an alien IMEI. After she spoke to Customer Services the lady told me that unfortunately they couldn't do anything from their store because, get this, the phone I had was being sent off for a repair. I would have to take it back to the original store, the same store that just fobbed me off, in order to get it exchanged. And this was head office that told me this!
The following day I spoke to customer services myself. I rung up and lodged a complaint because I believe the fact that I was accused of committing fraud but am also expected to drive 60 Miles to resolve a problem is disgusting. I spoke to a lady called Amy who "promised" me she would get to the bottom of this for me and resolve it. She told me that she could see from notes put on the account (presumably from the previous days call to cs) that the phone was a repair handset. She then spoke to the repairs team who confirmed they were waiting for the handset to arrive. She told me that she wouldn't be able to resolve the issue until she had spoken to the store I originally bought the handset from. She then "promised" to call me back as soon as she had spoken to them, or by 5PM the same day.
For records, this was on the 6th November.
5PM came, and no call. Because she called me on an 0800 number and wouldn't give me a number to contact her on, I was unable to call her myself. However the following morning (7th November) she called me and told me that she had still been unable to get in contact with the store in question and that she would definitely have this fixed for me by the evening and that she would call me back by 5PM. Well 5PM came and went, and there was no call. By this point I was extremely annoyed. The following morning there was no call either, so I called CPW on my mobile (which has charged me) and requested to speak to Amy. By this point it was on the third day of being without a working handset and nobody had really acknowledged there was an issue, or done anything to solve it. I actually managed to get put through to Amy who told me that she had still not been able to get through to the store, but that her manager was in in 20 minutes and she would call me back with a resolution to the issue. I asked her if she would 100% call me back, and she promised she would. 24 hours passed and no call.
So by this point I've been without a handset for 4 days, been sold a second hand one, promised that I will have a call from customer services to resolve it but haven't, and been accused of fraud. Getting quite angry at this point.
I allowed a few days to go by to see if Amy would get in contact with me, however by Monday 11th November she still hadn't. We took the phone to the Trafford Centre store which is still a good 25 miles away. We spoke to a very helpful gentleman in the Carphone Warehouse store who went to a lot of trouble for me. He spoke to head office who reiterated the fact that the phone was a repair handset and advised the gentleman to call the store I bought the phone from. He called the store and spoke to the manager. He confirmed that the IMEI on the box of the phone I had was in store, and that there had been a bit of a mess up and he was unsure of how it had happened. I was then told that unfortunately due to the circumstances of the issue I would have to drive to the other store, a further 10 miles, to initiate the exchange OR refund.
So finally just under a week of being without a phone and driving from my house to Manchester every other day the issue was resolved and I would be able to go back to a Nexus 5 or get a refund. Hell, wasn't I wrong.
On arrival at the store we spoke to the manager who told us we had two options, either swap the LG G2 for another LG G2, or get a cheaper handset. He couldn't offer us a refund because he would have to speak to customer services who were closed, and he wasn't prepared to knock the difference off a HTC One (£50) due to all the problems we had had. Furthermore the sim-free price of a Nexus 5 at Carphone is now £495, however they are not selling them sim-free at the moment! I was then told that I could have a refund, but I would have to come back the following day!! All this after driving probably in excess of 200 miles.
I felt backed into a corner and didn't really have a choice but to accept the G2. As I said earlier I need a handset for work and it's not an option for me to be without one.
I then spoke to the complaints department of Carphone Warehouse once again yesterday. I explained everything that I have just said in this post, and their reply:
"We do not offer refunds on any sim-free products, and the manager was wrong to tell you that we do. Because you accepted the G2 there is nothing we can do for you. You chose to drive there on your free will. Would you like me to raise your complaint against the store?"
:good: Not happy.
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So now I really do not know what to do. I have been left with a phone that I do not want and am considerably out of pocket due to fuel costs of driving to get the issue resolved. Help?

Never get upset with them, for starters. It's difficult, I know from extensive experience, but their hands are tied to within their policies and they won't want to help if you tell them off like they probably deserve.
This is how I've played these games and won countless times.
Politely calmly ask:
"So, there is nothing you can do?"
"No, I'm sorry sir, there isn't"
"What is your employee ID#, who is your superior, and how do I contact them? I'd like to pass on a good work for your efforts"
Rinse, repeat. Insist to pass to a superior. They'll tell you nobody can help. Tell them you feel like you deserve to hear it from their boss.
I once had a vp with Sprint (verified that they really were via background checks: on the phone with me to resolve an issue by asking "Well, if you can't help me, someone can approve this. Who can?"
Just keep climbing the ladder.
-No longer accidental, just Jeremy. F.cfb
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That story has put me off buying from CPW for life. Thanks for sharing how they see fit to treat a customer who has spent hundreds of pounds in their store.
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setspeed said:
That story has put me off buying from CPW for life. Thanks for sharing how they see fit to treat a customer who has spent hundreds of pounds in their store.
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I don't blame you, going to try my luck again later with their complaints department. I will update the thread. I think a lot of it depends on who you speak to as well, it's not necessarily speaking to a manager that matters, it's speaking to someone that can relate to your experience.

Good luck, I hope you end up with a decent resolution, but I fear that even if you were to get the phone you want, all the extra money you gave them and spent on petrol is lost. I really wanted an N5 on release day and I even went to my local CPW to take a look at them - thank God they weren't selling the 32GB because I would've bought it there and then. It might've taken a few days longer from Google, but at least I know they won't jerk me around if I have to return it (I returned my N4 last year because I didn't like it enough to keep it over my S3, no issues with refund at all).
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I mentioned managers because sometimes the person you're speaking to doesn't have the power to make that decision on your behalf, and must go by policy. Someone in the chain, however, can choose to bypass policy. Talk to them if you don't get what you want (as long as it's realistic).
-No longer accidental, just Jeremy. F.cfb
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jRi0T68 said:
I mentioned managers because sometimes the person you're speaking to doesn't have the power to make that decision on your behalf, and must go by policy. Someone in the chain, however, can choose to bypass policy. Talk to them if you don't get what you want (as long as it's realistic).
-No longer accidental, just Jeremy. F.cfb
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Oh no I completely agree with you there! Sorry I meant you multi-quote. I mean the gateway though, I believe a realistic demand is to have the Nexus 5 for £295 and a refund of £150 which I paid the difference on for my LG G2. This is fair, right?

I'd get yourself to citizens advice just to get something in writing and report them to trading standards - they're spinning you a line. No refunds on Sim Free?? Any product sold by a retailer in the UK is subject to the Sale of Goods act. You can return an item for a full refund if it's not as described, of satisfactory quality or fit for purpose. The rules don't just stop there but they're the basics
If you fancy a read and have some time: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1979/54
Edit - forgot to add, you're entitled to a full "cash" refund too, you don't have to accept store credit..

Cactus42 said:
I'd get yourself to citizens advice just to get something in writing and report them to trading standards - they're spinning you a line. No refunds on Sim Free?? Any product sold by a retailer in the UK is subject to the Sale of Goods act. You can return an item for a full refund if it's not as described, of satisfactory quality or fit for purpose. The rules don't just stop there but they're the basics
If you fancy a read and have some time: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1979/54
Edit - forgot to add, you're entitled to a full "cash" refund too, you don't have to accept store credit..
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Good advice here. I would also get the credit card company involved.
You did pay by credit card didn't you? If not, silly billy.
This is a good way of dragging someone else into the fray on your side and applying pressure on recalcitrant suppliers.

I got my N5 from CPW and i'm on my 3rd handset (which is no fault of CPW).
Each time i've taken it back they've been helpful and each time they've given me a new handset they've pulled the outer sleeve off to show it's a new and factory sealed box...
I suppose the service you get depends on which store you go to :/
Also i have to ask...
You got a sim free phone meaning you would have already had another working phone/sim?
Why didnt you just wait for the nexus 5 to get back into stock again? :/
Also looking at your sig...
Why didnt you stick with the Z1?

I'm not defending CPW as the issue you're having is tragic.
But at the same time you made numerous mistakes yourself and undoubtedly made things harder..for yourself.
The first being not waiting for the N5 to get back in stock again from that specific retailer or asking them to find a store where it was in stock and doing an exchange there.
The second, getting a phone you did NOT want and paying an EXTRA £150 for it. You do acknowledge this was an open box and you were still in a position to run the risk that it did not behave as intended. Which unfortunately it did.
Glad you got that IMEI stuff fixed, that was BS on their part. Handy Gentleman at trafford to the rescue! Oh yeah, Thirdly, you were wasting your time with Amy, She was clearly incompetent at her job, producing no results every time you waited for her and continued to wait for her again.
Driving up and down in excess of xx miles is another issue when you could have made the alternative and smarter decision of calling the individual store up. Each CPW store has a different phone number which you can find on the website. Only till you're guaranteed that you can have an exchange or whatever you had desired, you could have popped in. Had that particular store failed to assist you, you wouldn't have to drive back achieving nothing but wasted petrol.
Oh yeah, when you finally spoke to the manager, you conceded and accepted another LG G2, may I reiterate, as you said. A phone you did NOT want. So customer Service was closed but you still had the opportunity for a full refund. Again, why not wait till it was open. [I get it, driving issues but that shouldn't stop you if it causes more 'driving issues' later]
The issue is, you don't wait for things and you take the easiest most convenient option at the time but at the end of the day it's the one you don't like, so you wish-wash out of it and things become more complicated.
The IMEI was unfortunate and yes, incredibly annoying. But that got resolved. The faulty handset is by no means the direct fault of CPW. And you did have a choice in regards to accepting the G2, I really don't see how you're playing the victim card in this aspect with that. In terms of work, you could have used a temp phone in the mean time, nothing fancy, an old nokia could have done the job if you need to make calls. You already had a sim if I'm correct. I figure the refund for the Nexus 5 was not an option the moment you opted for the G2 as that phone supersedes the N5 in terms of pricing. I figure what you want now is a refund for the LG G2 and the Nexus 5 at the £295 pricepoint from CPW that it once had? I don't think that's a realistic expectation anymore mate. At best just accept the refund for the LG G2. The N5 window is gone.
An alternative If you still want the Nexus 5 would be selling your LG G2, boxed and unopen, I hope and buying a N5 at the play store.
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I believe a realistic demand is to have the Nexus 5 for £295 and a refund of £150 which I paid the difference on for my LG G2. This is fair, right?
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No, it isn't a realistic demand because once you bought the LG G2, that became a stand alone product independent from any attachment with the N5. Quite simply you have you're head attached to the idea that the Nexus 5 is your main phone from CPW and that the LG G2 is a temp / secondary / repair or whatever. Once you chose the G2, you made your bed, that's where all the concern now lies.
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I got my N5 from CPW and i'm on my 3rd handset (which is no fault of CPW).
Each time i've taken it back they've been helpful and each time they've given me a new handset they've pulled the outer sleeve off to show it's a new and factory sealed box...
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Also, this is a clear example that the CPW system does not fail with returns. Ahhhhhhhhh Now I'm contradicting the first sentence in this post. But the problem does not lie with them completely as you make it out.

for those of you that believe you received a defective device

Even though sprint is not better business bureau accredited, I have filed a complaint with the BBB against sprint regarding the fact that they have knowledgeably put defective devices in the hands of consumers, and are not making a quick effort to remedy the situation, I have also stated that sprint wants to replace the devices with refurbished devices, which are valued at a lesser value then a brand new device, and still charge customers for the full price of the brand new device. I have also pointed out that they are stringing customers through the 14 day exchange period claiming it is the network, and then on the 15th day saying it is the device, and making it very difficult to exchange the devices. any way I am encouraging any one who has had issues with their device to file a complaint with the bbb against sprint, as sprint does respond to their complaints on there

Yesterday, after many chats and calls with Sprint, and 2 trips to 2 different stores, I was assured that my device is fine and that the towers in my area are to be fully functional by May 7. We'll see if my service improves. I have the option of getting refurb, which is complete bs. A brand new phone that may be defective and I can't get a brand new one because I'm past the 14 days. So yeah, I'm with you on this if things don't improve in 3-4 days.

OP. The first device I've received had a completely black pixel in the top right. I exchanged it and got a new phone with a SCRATCH under the glass and a red pixel (which I'm guessing is dead). On my third trip the guy was reluctant to hand me a new HTC One, but when I got it, it had another completely black pixel. I completely agree that sprint is knowingly dishing out defective devices to people. I'll try and figure out how to file a complaint with them. Thanks OP
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please do, the more people who complain to the bbb the better, Im also planning to email sprint the laws regarding knowingly selling defective devices

dogcmp6 said:
please do, the more people who complain to the bbb the better, Im also planning to email sprint the laws regarding knowingly selling defective devices
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Hard to prove stupidity.

Count me in on this. Not a happy camper. Two weeks of "it's the towers in your area", an hour + with three levels of tech support from my landline and finally a second trip to a store where a technician actually tested the device and entered an eTicket on my accounting noting my M8 was defective and needed to be replaced.
No TEP? $75 bucks to replace the phone through Sprint or screw around for a few weeks dealing directly with HTC. Why should I have to pay for a defective product that never worked well and progressively deteriorated into a worthless brick? I can't get calls from my customers or email in the field and this is not good for business so I'm desperate. Even though furious at the prospect of paying $75 dollars for a 4 week old phone that didn't work through no fault of my own, for expediency I begrudgingly went ahead and set up getting a replacement. Damn, what a scam!
After it all gets set up and entered into the computer, then the guy tells me they are on backorder and it will be 5 to 7 days before they ship.
I just about lost it but attempted to maintain some degree of civility while expressing my displeasure with this policy, their crap customer service that could care less and that my intention was to contact the BBB and possibly the Attorney General regarding this whole debacle. I know the guy I was speaking to was just doing his job and probably hears a lot of this but his one saving grace was asking me if I still had my old phone.
After confirming they weren't going to bone me an activation fee for bringing my old phone back online and not for the replacement M8 whenever I get it, I am now back on my three year old HTC Evo 4G but at least I can make and receive calls, get texts and have some degree of mobile data connectivity and can get email away from WiFi. In the post-contact texts from Sprint asking about my satisfaction with the recent call, I let them know this was robbery and that I would never recommend anyone ever choose Sprint.
I think I can put TEP on my replacement and trust me, if it doesn't work as expected I'll utilize it to the max and if still not satisfied, feel like this is sufficient grounds to break my contract and go somewhere else. It took days to get my M8 setup just the way I wanted it and I absolutely love it. Too bad I can't use it. :crying:
--Elisabeth
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FA43KSF... serial number

I agree with your anger. I have never wanted to switch carriers in the 5 years with Sprint until now. I wish I had not have sold my gs3 when I got my m8. I would go back to that and sell this one. I still might. It may be the towers for me, that is yet to be seen, but the utter lack of service over this is the frustrating part. I shouldn't get a refurb for a brand new defective device. "That's Sprint policy" though. Lameness.

Yeah, once I have my replacement I will be submitting a complaint to the attorney general of Illinois about the issue too, and encourage others to take part in that step too...also I can see by the increase in complaints to sprint on BBB's website that a good amount of people are seeing this thread and submitting complaints...ive been stuck on a Samsung replenish which is my back up phone for 4 days...also the serial on my defective m8 is HT441SF....

limpiador31 said:
Count me in on this. Not a happy camper. Two weeks of "it's the towers in your area", an hour + with three levels of tech support from my landline and finally a second trip to a store where a technician actually tested the device and entered an eTicket on my accounting noting my M8 was defective and needed to be replaced.
No TEP? $75 bucks to replace the phone through Sprint or screw around for a few weeks dealing directly with HTC. Why should I have to pay for a defective product that never worked well and progressively deteriorated into a worthless brick? I can't get calls from my customers or email in the field and this is not good for business so I'm desperate. Even though furious at the prospect of paying $75 dollars for a 4 week old phone that didn't work through no fault of my own, for expediency I begrudgingly went ahead and set up getting a replacement. Damn, what a scam!
After it all gets set up and entered into the computer, then the guy tells me they are on backorder and it will be 5 to 7 days before they ship.
I just about lost it but attempted to maintain some degree of civility while expressing my displeasure with this policy, their crap customer service that could care less and that my intention was to contact the BBB and possibly the Attorney General regarding this whole debacle. I know the guy I was speaking to was just doing his job and probably hears a lot of this but his one saving grace was asking me if I still had my old phone.
After confirming they weren't going to bone me an activation fee for bringing my old phone back online and not for the replacement M8 whenever I get it, I am now back on my three year old HTC Evo 4G but at least I can make and receive calls, get texts and have some degree of mobile data connectivity and can get email away from WiFi. In the post-contact texts from Sprint asking about my satisfaction with the recent call, I let them know this was robbery and that I would never recommend anyone ever choose Sprint.
I think I can put TEP on my replacement and trust me, if it doesn't work as expected I'll utilize it to the max and if still not satisfied, feel like this is sufficient grounds to break my contract and go somewhere else. It took days to get my M8 setup just the way I wanted it and I absolutely love it. Too bad I can't use it. :crying:
--Elisabeth
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Mine starts with fa43 also maybe I need to return it I just got it
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What is the worst thing about this is how Sprint is handling it.
Not that broken/defective devices exist or broken towers.
Just that they could give crap about you as a loyal customer.
They treat you like dirt. And they wonder why customers treat them like dirt back.
It's been such a bad experience, it took all the fun out of getting this phone. So they botch something, it happens. It's they handle it like sh$t.
I would have been more content keeping my old M7 phone.
It started off like crap when they kept me on the phone for like an hour when I ordered the thing and tried to upsell a bunch a crap.
And the lady had put a Tablet AND Stylus on my order. I caught her at the end had her take it off. But she left a freaken stylus on there.
It was only $15.00, just small enough to not want to waste another hour on the phone and shipping it back.
Man did that piss me off to start.

mswlogo said:
What is the worst thing about this is how Sprint is handling it.
Not that broken/defective devices exist or broken towers.
Just that they could give crap about you as a loyal customer.
They treat you like dirt. And they wonder why customers treat them like dirt back.
It's been such a bad experience, it took all the fun out of getting this phone. So they botch something, it happens. It's they handle it like sh$t.
I would have been more content keeping my old M7 phone.
It started off like crap when they kept me on the phone for like an hour when I ordered the thing and tried to upsell a bunch a crap.
And the lady had put a Tablet AND Stylus on my order. I caught her at the end had her take it off. But she left a freaken stylus on there.
It was only $15.00, just small enough to not want to waste another hour on the phone and shipping it back.
Man did that piss me off to start.
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Sorry, but the fact that you got a stylus for a phone, that clearly doesn't need one, is hilarious to me.
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The lady I ordered from tried to upsell that stuff to me too. She wouldn't take no for an answer and actually asked me if it was a money issue as to why I didn't want the tablet. I was so irritated that I yelled.

And that's why I only order from their website. No hassle and you get the same results.
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And that's why I only order from their website. No hassle and you get the same results.
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Because I have a SERO 500 plan (two of them) that's not an option. It's part of the dues you pay for having that plan.
I'd be long gone if not for the SERO 500 plan. No way I'd pay regular price for this network and customer service. It's getting close to not being worth the savings as is.

I agree with you. I have 2 sero plans as well, if not then I would be long gone too.

I have the opposite experience with Sprint. LTE is everywhere averaging 20 to 30 mb. I pay roughly 60 a line too. I'm not going anywhere lol
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I have the opposite experience with Sprint. LTE is everywhere averaging 20 to 30 mb. I pay roughly 60 a line too. I'm not going anywhere lol
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I'm lucky if I get 0.5 mb.

My sprint horror story continues...was told on Wednesday of last week that my new phone would be there in two business days, got told yesterday (Monday) that it would be here by today...go to the store thinking I would pick it up today, and my phones not there, the manager pulls up the tracking and says it hasn't even shipped yet, keeps me there for an hour and a half well he talks to his other store people about who to call at the warehouse, instead of calling the warehouse like he would do if he had any freaking common sense

I'm not having any issues. Sorry to hear all of you guys, hope that I never fall on that situation.
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What's the defect about? I ordered my m8 off contract for 250 thru htcchampions.

Google not replacing Nexus 6 for cracked screens

Long story short: Bought my N6 day one. I had to be in the very first group of orders. I was one of the habitual F5'rs just trying to get an order in.
About a week ago, my N6 (in a Ringke Max case) slides off my lap getting out of the car, hits the pavement and the screen cracks. I had read multiple stories on these very forums where people had their GPS-purchased Nexuses replaced as a courtesy. No luck. Google said in no uncertain terms I was SOL and at the will of Motorola. I hung up and called back and got the same runaround. They weren't going to do it, even after I showed them that other people had it done. They told me I was at Motorola's mercy. I was told there was "lots of incorrect information on the Internet."
Called Motorola, they agreed to send me an Advanced Exchange Nexus 6 out for $175 for the screen, plus a $500 deposit. Fine. Whatever. I need a phone and I don't have a choice. Multiple issues with Moto: One, it took me well over a half-hour to order the replacement because the representative simply couldn't understand anything I said. I used to be a call center rep, I know how to enunciate and speak, the guy just couldn't understand me. They finally get the phone ordered, and I received it last Monday. I was running out the door to the airport when the FedEx guy arrived, so I took the phone, swapped my SIM in, but didn't send the phone back until Wednesday when I got back. Every day Motorola sent me 3-4 messages telling me they hadn't received my phone. Finally on Friday they get it, and the emails continue, culminating into a "final notice" email I got at lunchtime today. Called Moto and straighten it out... But that leads me to my second issue. The replacement phone I received has a defective camera. When it goes to focus, you can literally hear the camera focus servos clacking and clicking and the picture jumps all around the screen. In addition, the earpiece buzzes heavily.
I call Motorola about the emails and the defective phone. Takes 10 minutes on hold to reach a rep. Explain everything to him, and he puts me on long holds repeatedly. Finally, he says he can't do anything, so he transfers me to technical support and I've been on hold with Tech Support waiting for a rep for over 15 minutes. I've typed this entire post during that time.
I'm upset because I bought the phone from GPS for the explicit reason that Google always "has the customer's back" and all of the ridiculous things I've heard people on XDA say over the years. I don't think Google should give me a free phone when I was negligent and cracked mine, but you have to be consistent. If you do it for some people, you NEED to do it for everyone. I could have bought a $99 on contract DROID Turbo and got the screen assurance... why am I shafted when I buy a premium product? I paid the same amount as the other people who had theirs replaced for free. I sat through the same shipping/launch fiasco. I've seen people who buy on-contract subsidized iPhone 6's get their cracked screens replaced for free at the Apple Store... Is the Nexus 6 not an equally premium product?
I'm pissed because I didn't WANT to deal with Motorola. Their customer support is undeniably horrid. I went through HOURS of time on the phone with them over my Moto X when I first got it. My first Moto X couldn't hang onto an LTE signal, but I went through hell and high water to get a replacement because I had rooted the phone (Developer Edition) and every Moto rep I spoke to said that it voided the warranty. Then there was a whole shipping fiasco once they actually agreed to replace it... Look I love Motorola's products but their support is undeniably horrible.
Anyway, I'm mostly venting. Just a heads up to prospective Play Store buyers that Google seems to not be doing any screen assurance replacements at this time, confirmed by two separate Google reps.
20+ minutes and I'm still on hold with Motorola...

digitaloutsider said:
Long story short: Bought my N6 day one. I had to be in the very first group of orders. I was one of the habitual F5'rs just trying to get an order in.
About a week ago, my N6 (in a Ringke Max case) slides off my lap getting out of the car, hits the pavement and the screen cracks. I had read multiple stories on these very forums where people had their GPS-purchased Nexuses replaced as a courtesy. No luck. Google said in no uncertain terms I was SOL and at the will of Motorola. I hung up and called back and got the same runaround. They weren't going to do it, even after I showed them that other people had it done. They told me I was at Motorola's mercy. I was told there was "lots of incorrect information on the Internet."
Called Motorola, they agreed to send me an Advanced Exchange Nexus 6 out for $175 for the screen, plus a $500 deposit. Fine. Whatever. I need a phone and I don't have a choice. Multiple issues with Moto: One, it took me well over a half-hour to order the replacement because the representative simply couldn't understand anything I said. I used to be a call center rep, I know how to enunciate and speak, the guy just couldn't understand me. They finally get the phone ordered, and I received it last Monday. I was running out the door to the airport when the FedEx guy arrived, so I took the phone, swapped my SIM in, but didn't send the phone back until Wednesday when I got back. Every day Motorola sent me 3-4 messages telling me they hadn't received my phone. Finally on Friday they get it, and the emails continue, culminating into a "final notice" email I got at lunchtime today. Called Moto and straighten it out... But that leads me to my second issue. The replacement phone I received has a defective camera. When it goes to focus, you can literally hear the camera focus servos clacking and clicking and the picture jumps all around the screen. In addition, the earpiece buzzes heavily.
I call Motorola about the emails and the defective phone. Takes 10 minutes on hold to reach a rep. Explain everything to him, and he puts me on long holds repeatedly. Finally, he says he can't do anything, so he transfers me to technical support and I've been on hold with Tech Support waiting for a rep for over 15 minutes. I've typed this entire post during that time.
I'm upset because I bought the phone from GPS for the explicit reason that Google always "has the customer's back" and all of the ridiculous things I've heard people on XDA say over the years. I don't think Google should give me a free phone when I was negligent and cracked mine, but you have to be consistent. If you do it for some people, you NEED to do it for everyone. I could have bought a $99 on contract DROID Turbo and got the screen assurance... why am I shafted when I buy a premium product? I paid the same amount as the other people who had theirs replaced for free. I sat through the same shipping/launch fiasco. I've seen people who buy on-contract subsidized iPhone 6's get their cracked screens replaced for free at the Apple Store... Is the Nexus 6 not an equally premium product?
I'm pissed because I didn't WANT to deal with Motorola. Their customer support is undeniably horrid. I went through HOURS of time on the phone with them over my Moto X when I first got it. My first Moto X couldn't hang onto an LTE signal, but I went through hell and high water to get a replacement because I had rooted the phone (Developer Edition) and every Moto rep I spoke to said that it voided the warranty. Then there was a whole shipping fiasco once they actually agreed to replace it... Look I love Motorola's products but their support is undeniably horrible.
Anyway, I'm mostly venting. Just a heads up to prospective Play Store buyers that Google seems to not be doing any screen assurance replacements at this time, confirmed by two separate Google reps.
20+ minutes and I'm still on hold with Motorola...
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Thats horrible good thing I have jump with tmobile

digitaloutsider said:
Long story short: Bought my N6 day one. I had to be in the very first group of orders. I was one of the habitual F5'rs just trying to get an order in.
About a week ago, my N6 (in a Ringke Max case) slides off my lap getting out of the car, hits the pavement and the screen cracks. I had read multiple stories on these very forums where people had their GPS-purchased Nexuses replaced as a courtesy. No luck. Google said in no uncertain terms I was SOL and at the will of Motorola. I hung up and called back and got the same runaround. They weren't going to do it, even after I showed them that other people had it done. They told me I was at Motorola's mercy. I was told there was "lots of incorrect information on the Internet."
Called Motorola, they agreed to send me an Advanced Exchange Nexus 6 out for $175 for the screen, plus a $500 deposit. Fine. Whatever. I need a phone and I don't have a choice. Multiple issues with Moto: One, it took me well over a half-hour to order the replacement because the representative simply couldn't understand anything I said. I used to be a call center rep, I know how to enunciate and speak, the guy just couldn't understand me. They finally get the phone ordered, and I received it last Monday. I was running out the door to the airport when the FedEx guy arrived, so I took the phone, swapped my SIM in, but didn't send the phone back until Wednesday when I got back. Every day Motorola sent me 3-4 messages telling me they hadn't received my phone. Finally on Friday they get it, and the emails continue, culminating into a "final notice" email I got at lunchtime today. Called Moto and straighten it out... But that leads me to my second issue. The replacement phone I received has a defective camera. When it goes to focus, you can literally hear the camera focus servos clacking and clicking and the picture jumps all around the screen. In addition, the earpiece buzzes heavily.
I call Motorola about the emails and the defective phone. Takes 10 minutes on hold to reach a rep. Explain everything to him, and he puts me on long holds repeatedly. Finally, he says he can't do anything, so he transfers me to technical support and I've been on hold with Tech Support waiting for a rep for over 15 minutes. I've typed this entire post during that time.
I'm upset because I bought the phone from GPS for the explicit reason that Google always "has the customer's back" and all of the ridiculous things I've heard people on XDA say over the years. I don't think Google should give me a free phone when I was negligent and cracked mine, but you have to be consistent. If you do it for some people, you NEED to do it for everyone. I could have bought a $99 on contract DROID Turbo and got the screen assurance... why am I shafted when I buy a premium product? I paid the same amount as the other people who had theirs replaced for free. I sat through the same shipping/launch fiasco. I've seen people who buy on-contract subsidized iPhone 6's get their cracked screens replaced for free at the Apple Store... Is the Nexus 6 not an equally premium product?
I'm pissed because I didn't WANT to deal with Motorola. Their customer support is undeniably horrid. I went through HOURS of time on the phone with them over my Moto X when I first got it. My first Moto X couldn't hang onto an LTE signal, but I went through hell and high water to get a replacement because I had rooted the phone (Developer Edition) and every Moto rep I spoke to said that it voided the warranty. Then there was a whole shipping fiasco once they actually agreed to replace it... Look I love Motorola's products but their support is undeniably horrible.
Anyway, I'm mostly venting. Just a heads up to prospective Play Store buyers that Google seems to not be doing any screen assurance replacements at this time, confirmed by two separate Google reps.
20+ minutes and I'm still on hold with Motorola...
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google was only replacing phones with broken screens on the nexus 5, and only once. they never did it for any other nexus, nor never offered it for any other nexus. if you broke the screen, its your reposibility, period.

Note 8 ordered from Samsung is only 20 days old won't power on and Samsung doesn't

I have a Note 8 that I have been very happy with. It's 20 days old and last night while using it just went black. When plugged in to power there is not LED or any sign of life. I performed troubleshooting steps for soft and hard resets with and without power cables. I've tried 3 different power cables and cords but nothing. I charged overnight and still nothing. Completely dead. Phone still looks brand new because I bought a rugged case for it. I've treated it like a newborn baby so it must be defective.
I called Samsung support this morning who walked me through all the previous troubleshooting I've performed and confirmed that the phone is defective. Because it is only 20 days old they created a ticket for me and told me to call ecommerce department @ 855-726-8721 and give them the ticket number and they would replace the phone.
Called ecommerce who was happy to help me and all was well until the end of the phone call. I was told that within a week I would get an email with instructions and a label to send my phone back and within 15 days I would receive a replacement phone. I said WHAT!!!
When I purchased the phone I payed for expideted shipping and had it within 3 days. It's 20 days old and defective and now I'm told that it will actually be 3-4 weeks before I get a working phone again. This is the only phone I have. I had to go to a family member's house to call them 3 times for this info.
There is no escalation path available. Support can only support me. ecommerce can only put in a request via internal communication to a returns team and this is the returns team policy. You can no contact the returns team. You can't escalate to anyone because they are all different departments that have no communication with each other. I can't even call the corporate office to complain because they send you back to support. Everyone I speak to understand and they would be frustrated to but can't help me. Even Samsungs employees don't agree with it but can't do anything or put me in contact with anyone to complain.
So now I sit here waiting for what could be a week before I even get a communication from the returns team to get a working phone. I had the note 7 and lived through two replacements before they took my phone. I even stayed with them and bought the S7 edge. Traded it in for the Note 8 because I had faith in the company. After my experience today it is gone. I'm speechless at the lack of concern about me the customer and the attitude that this is our process sorry and you can't complain.
I would return this phone for an iPhone but I already bought a case, wireless charger, memory card and DeX station.
When I bought my phone it said I could get a wirelss charger or cameral but when I called to inquire they said I missed it by a day. Now I see it's still there if I bought a new phone.
My only experience with Samsung customer service and it will be my last. Next time I will go back to an iPhone where I can get real support from people that seem to care and I can talk to.
In this competitive day I can't beleive that Samsung doesn't care about their customers, has segmented departments in to different silos with no communication and doesn't even provide a place for customer to complaing about a process. If I have no way to complain how will they ever know something is broke.
I was mad but now I feel hopeless. I hope I don't have an emergency that will require me to call an emergency service because I don't have a phone. If something does happen and I survive maybe I could sue Samsung.
If anyone has any suggestions for me to help with this situation or some secret to fix the phone please let me know.

Roughly 3 weeks total to have the new phone from start to finish?...i.e. 1 week to get the instructions, and another 2 weeks (15 days) to receive a new phone. Sounds like they were nice and helpful too...some of the two week delay could be quicker depending on shipping. Doesn't honestly sound too bad overall, but I agree it always sucks to have a problem with a new phone. Not giving you the bonus sounds wrong though, if they still offer it online. Hope it gets sorted out soon!

Maybe a surge fried it!

havrek said:
I have a Note 8 that I have been very happy with. It's 20 days old and last night while using it just went black. When plugged in to power there is not LED or any sign of life. I performed troubleshooting steps for soft and hard resets with and without power cables. I've tried 3 different power cables and cords but nothing. I charged overnight and still nothing. Completely dead. Phone still looks brand new because I bought a rugged case for it. I've treated it like a newborn baby so it must be defective.
I called Samsung support this morning who walked me through all the previous troubleshooting I've performed and confirmed that the phone is defective. Because it is only 20 days old they created a ticket for me and told me to call ecommerce department @ 855-726-8721 and give them the ticket number and they would replace the phone.
Called ecommerce who was happy to help me and all was well until the end of the phone call. I was told that within a week I would get an email with instructions and a label to send my phone back and within 15 days I would receive a replacement phone. I said WHAT!!!
When I purchased the phone I payed for expideted shipping and had it within 3 days. It's 20 days old and defective and now I'm told that it will actually be 3-4 weeks before I get a working phone again. This is the only phone I have. I had to go to a family member's house to call them 3 times for this info.
There is no escalation path available. Support can only support me. ecommerce can only put in a request via internal communication to a returns team and this is the returns team policy. You can no contact the returns team. You can't escalate to anyone because they are all different departments that have no communication with each other. I can't even call the corporate office to complain because they send you back to support. Everyone I speak to understand and they would be frustrated to but can't help me. Even Samsungs employees don't agree with it but can't do anything or put me in contact with anyone to complain.
So now I sit here waiting for what could be a week before I even get a communication from the returns team to get a working phone. I had the note 7 and lived through two replacements before they took my phone. I even stayed with them and bought the S7 edge. Traded it in for the Note 8 because I had faith in the company. After my experience today it is gone. I'm speechless at the lack of concern about me the customer and the attitude that this is our process sorry and you can't complain.
I would return this phone for an iPhone but I already bought a case, wireless charger, memory card and DeX station.
When I bought my phone it said I could get a wirelss charger or cameral but when I called to inquire they said I missed it by a day. Now I see it's still there if I bought a new phone.
My only experience with Samsung customer service and it will be my last. Next time I will go back to an iPhone where I can get real support from people that seem to care and I can talk to.
In this competitive day I can't beleive that Samsung doesn't care about their customers, has segmented departments in to different silos with no communication and doesn't even provide a place for customer to complaing about a process. If I have no way to complain how will they ever know something is broke.
I was mad but now I feel hopeless. I hope I don't have an emergency that will require me to call an emergency service because I don't have a phone. If something does happen and I survive maybe I could sue Samsung.
If anyone has any suggestions for me to help with this situation or some secret to fix the phone please let me know.
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That's why I buy from the carrier. Sorry this happened I would be pissed off.

jason504 said:
That's why I buy from the carrier. Sorry this happened I would be pissed off.
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same here; always buy from the carrier if possible

Can you return the items that you bought to the retailer, or are you out of the return period? You might be able to sell them on eBay or craigslist or some place like that to get some of your money back. Then you can get your iPhone.
The only thing that has really ever tempted me about the iPhone is Apple's customer service. They are the kings of customer service. Aside from my phone, everything else that I have is Apple. You know that if you have problems, they will stand behind what they sell and resolution is only a drive down the road (assuming that you have an Apple store nearby. If not, not sure).

of course Apple stands behind their products; when you overcharge for everything, and have the largest profit margins in the electronics world, its easy to provide good service!

Where did you see the promo still ongoing?

Lol.. gee what did they ever do before they had phones...

Seriously, that's pretty good IMO. They are probably factoring the time you take to return the phone to them and the time they ship it to you. Most companies I dealt with for return/exchange will wait for the defective item to be returned first before they send out the replacement. Despite what was said and tested, they will test it themselves to ensure it is defective as well. Once they know it's defective they will ship the replacement. Some have a business supported plan where they will request payment first for a new item and ship immediately. Upon receipt, return instructions and label will be provided for the return. Once returned, they credit your account. So really don't see anything wrong with this. They are doing what other companies I've dealt with are doing from my own experiences.

The only reason why I buy from the carrier is one you don't have to pay for the phone all up front. Especially since I am only keeping it for a year. When the Note9 comes out I can switch this in for the 9. Number 2 is location the carrier stores are all over easy to walk into a store and swap a defective phone out. Or they will ship one overnight. I think Samsung just implementing his no return policy after the Note 7. I read somewhere that Samsung was not replacing phones. Or they are making it really difficult to try to return a phone.

havrek said:
I have a Note 8 that I have been very happy with. It's 20 days old and last night while using it just went black. When plugged in to power there is not LED or any sign of life. I performed troubleshooting steps for soft and hard resets with and without power cables. I've tried 3 different power cables and cords but nothing. I charged overnight and still nothing. Completely dead. Phone still looks brand new because I bought a rugged case for it. I've treated it like a newborn baby so it must be defective.
I called Samsung support this morning who walked me through all the previous troubleshooting I've performed and confirmed that the phone is defective. Because it is only 20 days old they created a ticket for me and told me to call ecommerce department @ 855-726-8721 and give them the ticket number and they would replace the phone.
Called ecommerce who was happy to help me and all was well until the end of the phone call. I was told that within a week I would get an email with instructions and a label to send my phone back and within 15 days I would receive a replacement phone. I said WHAT!!!
When I purchased the phone I payed for expideted shipping and had it within 3 days. It's 20 days old and defective and now I'm told that it will actually be 3-4 weeks before I get a working phone again. This is the only phone I have. I had to go to a family member's house to call them 3 times for this info.
There is no escalation path available. Support can only support me. ecommerce can only put in a request via internal communication to a returns team and this is the returns team policy. You can no contact the returns team. You can't escalate to anyone because they are all different departments that have no communication with each other. I can't even call the corporate office to complain because they send you back to support. Everyone I speak to understand and they would be frustrated to but can't help me. Even Samsungs employees don't agree with it but can't do anything or put me in contact with anyone to complain.
So now I sit here waiting for what could be a week before I even get a communication from the returns team to get a working phone. I had the note 7 and lived through two replacements before they took my phone. I even stayed with them and bought the S7 edge. Traded it in for the Note 8 because I had faith in the company. After my experience today it is gone. I'm speechless at the lack of concern about me the customer and the attitude that this is our process sorry and you can't complain.
I would return this phone for an iPhone but I already bought a case, wireless charger, memory card and DeX station.
When I bought my phone it said I could get a wirelss charger or cameral but when I called to inquire they said I missed it by a day. Now I see it's still there if I bought a new phone.
My only experience with Samsung customer service and it will be my last. Next time I will go back to an iPhone where I can get real support from people that seem to care and I can talk to.
In this competitive day I can't beleive that Samsung doesn't care about their customers, has segmented departments in to different silos with no communication and doesn't even provide a place for customer to complaing about a process. If I have no way to complain how will they ever know something is broke.
I was mad but now I feel hopeless. I hope I don't have an emergency that will require me to call an emergency service because I don't have a phone. If something does happen and I survive maybe I could sue Samsung.
If anyone has any suggestions for me to help with this situation or some secret to fix the phone please let me know.
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It is these stories , that I count my blessings that the two devices bought from Samsung direct aren't defective. I think one thing I've learned for others on here is this. I think next time I'll just buy the devices from my provider, after all I bought a T Mobile one from Samsung direct. The T Mobile service is much better.
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jason504 said:
The only reason why I buy from the carrier is one you don't have to pay for the phone all up front. Especially since I am only keeping it for a year. When the Note9 comes out I can switch this in for the 9. Number 2 is location the carrier stores are all over easy to walk into a store and swap a defective phone out. Or they will ship one overnight. I think Samsung just implementing his no return policy after the Note 7. I read somewhere that Samsung was not replacing phones. Or they are making it really difficult to try to return a phone.
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That's what I used to think, but after buying from Samsung directly I will NEVER again buy from them. There was a problem with the first phone that had to be returned, and the experience, which is not over, has been a nightmare. If it had been through Verizon, it would have been a piece of cake. It completely changed my mind about any perceived advantages (NONE) of buying from company vs. carrier. I've had all generations of the Note, but after this I'm so burned out on Samsung, I'd consider something else. And actually I don't like the 8 any better than the 7 (which I still have). Their e-commerce department which they route everything through is a joke. They have absolutely no authority and the answer for everything is "wait for a link to be sent to you", which has never happened so far. Lesson learned - I'll vote with my feet.

neograndizer said:
Seriously, that's pretty good IMO.
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I think it's horrible. Samsung should offer the option of shipping a new replacement phone immediately for overnight delivery, if OP provides a credit-card number for the value of the phone until the old one is returned. Then Samsung should immediately email a return label for RMA shipping, and cancel the credit-card hold as soon as the defective product is received and verified.
For an expensive new phone that dies within three weeks, anything less than that is a ripoff.
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Zeblade said:
Lol[,] gee what did they ever do before they had phones[?]
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Before phones, people didn't organize their social and commercial activity in a manner that depends on phones--and the cost to productivity was staggering.

Honestly, I always keep a spare phone now exactly for this reason and just make sure the SIM size is the same as my current phone. Kept an HTC One M8 as my backup for a while. Better than being forced to A ) be without a phone or B ) be between a rock and a hard place with paying full price immediately to get a new phone so I can get phone calls. With the backup, I can C ) go through insurance, swappa, or w/e I choose patiently.

mcdanielvzw said:
Honestly, I always keep a spare phone now exactly for this reason and just make sure the SIM size is the same as my current phone. Kept an HTC One M8 as my backup for a while. Better than being forced to A ) be without a phone or B ) be between a rock and a hard place with paying full price immediately to get a new phone so I can get phone calls. With the backup, I can C ) go through insurance, swappa, or w/e I choose patiently.
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Very true!

Gary02468 said:
I think it's horrible. Samsung should offer the option of shipping a new replacement phone immediately for overnight delivery, if OP provides a credit-card number for the value of the phone until the old one is returned. Then Samsung should immediately email a return label for RMA shipping, and cancel the credit-card hold as soon as the defective product is received and verified.
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That would indeed be phenomenal service, but it also sounds like an expensive change that would likely be passed on to consumers via increased pricing. It's expensive enough as it is! I think most of us can manage without overnight delivery, but some sort of middle ground would be reasonable and certainly welcome.

sefrcoko said:
That would indeed be phenomenal service, but it also sounds like an expensive change that would likely be passed on to consumers via increased pricing. It's expensive enough as it is! I think most of us can manage without overnight delivery, but some sort of middle ground would be reasonable and certainly welcome.
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It's only a noticeable expense if a large fraction of their phones fail quickly. And the overnight (as opposed to two-day) shipping isn't all that important. Most of the benefit from the process I described would come from its other aspects, which would have little or no cost compared to their weeks-slower process.

Samsung just protecting themselves from people claiming the phone just broke on its own when it's actually water damage or physical damage. Nothing wrong with them looking over your phone before they issue out a new one.
If you watered service you should have bought it from a carrier or bought an iPhone.
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shook187 said:
Samsung just protecting themselves from people claiming the phone just broke on its own when it's actually water damage or physical damage. Nothing wrong with them looking over your phone before they issue out a new one.
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Sure, but if they have your credit-card number before they send the replacement phone, then if they find that the original phone was not really defective, they can insist that the replacement be returned in new condition (and subject to a standard restocking fee), or else charge the customer for a second phone. So they're fully protected.
If you watered service you should have bought it from a carrier or bought an iPhone.
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Why? Any vendor who sells someone a product that turns out to be defective has an obligation to replace it without an unnecessary, punitive delay.