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A Canadians woeful tail of failed N4 Repair

To start off, YES, this is a rant thread about LG and its outsourced repair center, Stellar Wireless in Fort Texas.
I dropped my phone and the glass broke. Here is my older thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2126134
Spoke with 10 different reps at LG USA to confirm i could send my N4 for repair to their facility. Apparently, I can, as long as I have a return address in the States. Sweet deal! Cost $153 for repairs vs. $250 from Canada supplier in Mississauga (All Tech-Neek Electronic).
So i prepare my package, pay the fee of $25 for having it shipped via UPS (bad mistake). Everything is going well, phone shipped off on February 1. It ends up reaching the facility but gets rejected! Why? because at the boarder for Canada/US customs there is a "Customs Delivery Charge" aka COD fees on any products being imported in the States. Well, i wasn't aware of this. The repair center rejects the package, I am on the phone for 2 hours that same day, being transferred to 4 departments and given 5 different numbers to call, eventually i get to the right number. Pay my COD fee of $35 off. Sweet, so now i can ship it and my headaches are over right? I wish that were true, UPS sends it off a 2nd time. It gets rejected cause there is the "COD Sticker" on the package.
Essentially, if that sticker is on the package, the repair center doesnt check to see fees have been paid. I get on the phone with UPS AGAIN, speak to 5 different departments and get them to say to the repair center that the "COD is paid." If you have followed this thread this far and are aware with UPS, I'm on my final and 3rd strike! SO needless to say, 3rd time worked and it got delivered! Yeah!:good: Butt....
So i'm sitting at home, waiting for the email/phone call to repair my phone. I receive it on Feb 19, total cost: $153. Sweet deal! Fill out the information and send it via fax to the LG wireless facility. Now according to that repair form, They have 5 business days to process the payment and get my phone fixed. BUT guess what? My phone mysteriously leaves the repair center on Feb 21, which is 2 business days after i sent the payment. Now did they receive it ? I don't know. I called that same day to ask about the fax, and no one was able to help me. So i called FEb 21, asking about my phone and they said it was repaired and sent off. Cool story right? But my visa never received a payment. Now i call today, and find out my phone was NOT repaired and it was sent out. Why? Once again, NO ONE KNOWS.
Needless to say, calling LG 10 times, UPS 15 times, and being transferred to different departments and ALMOST getting my phone fixed....in the end, im at square one again. Its en route to my friends house and I am sending it back to the states forking out the $250 and getting it repaired locally. /Rant. Frusturated beyond belief at LG Wireless, Stellar Wireless (Repair center) and UPS (not informing of COD fees, even the store i shipped it from didn't know about that).
Just needed to rant and share a terrible customer service tale about trying to get the N4 repaired. Canadians, keep your phones in Canada and pay the extra money to know it will be done correctly and properly the FIRST time in your home country. I am applaud and frustrated with this situation.

Appalled*

At that point I would of said f it and bought another one and “said such is life". sorry to hear about your ordeal.

Wow, that sucks.

I hope you have some cold beers in the 'fridge because i would be drinking a few. Hang in there buddy.

Update: thanks to those who read. Apparently the LG staff are either retarded or poorly trained. An executive supervisor just informed me that my payment was received and the phone is actually "fully repaired and visa has been charged." Now i dont know whether to believe it or not, but she sounded confident, Only time will tell, should have my phone back in 2 weeks. Will let everyone know how this repair service turned out.

Well that sucks... but doesn't LG have a repair center in Canada? I called the Play Store to get an RMA for a faulty battery and they sent me a UPS shipping label to a repair center in Fort Worth Texas so I called again and told them I was calling from Canada and the issued a new shipping label to an LG repair center in North York, Ontario.

jark99 said:
Update: thanks to those who read. Apparently the LG staff are either retarded or poorly trained. An executive supervisor just informed me that my payment was received and the phone is actually "fully repaired and visa has been charged." Now i dont know whether to believe it or not, but she sounded confident, Only time will tell, should have my phone back in 2 weeks. Will let everyone know how this repair service turned out.
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Good luck.

Good Phone/Poor Glass
I bought this phone about 3 weeks ago and LOVE it! Everything about it is awesome, except one thing...the glass front and back. It says that this glass is gorilla glass. I am thinking after 3 weeks that it's the cheapest "gorilla" glass they could put on the phone. I say this because I dropped the phone from 2 feet off the ground directly on it face (with a case on it) and the front glass shattered rendering the entire phone completely useless. I've done some research online and found that several hundreds of other Nexus 4 owners have experienced the similar things. I read one review where someone was at their home computer working while their N4 was just sitting on their desk like it had many time before. The user said it say in one spot for about an hour or so and he hear glass crack. Looked all around their apartment and couldn't figure out where it came from. Then they looked at the back of their new N4 and the back had cracked in two spots. As much as I love this phone I have to say I am very, very disappointed with LG and Google for this phone. with ins thru T-Mobile USA I have to pay $130 for a replacement, once it comes in I will be selling it and buying a Samsung GS3. My wife wanted this phone also and we almost got it last Friday, but held off for whatever reason. She is now also going to buy a Samsung GS3.

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That sucks, seriously.
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trav2001 said:
I bought this phone about 3 weeks ago and LOVE it! Everything about it is awesome, except one thing...the glass front and back. It says that this glass is gorilla glass. I am thinking after 3 weeks that it's the cheapest "gorilla" glass they could put on the phone. I say this because I dropped the phone from 2 feet off the ground directly on it face (with a case on it) and the front glass shattered rendering the entire phone completely useless. I've done some research online and found that several hundreds of other Nexus 4 owners have experienced the similar things. I read one review where someone was at their home computer working while their N4 was just sitting on their desk like it had many time before. The user said it say in one spot for about an hour or so and he hear glass crack. Looked all around their apartment and couldn't figure out where it came from. Then they looked at the back of their new N4 and the back had cracked in two spots. As much as I love this phone I have to say I am very, very disappointed with LG and Google for this phone. with ins thru T-Mobile USA I have to pay $130 for a replacement, once it comes in I will be selling it and buying a Samsung GS3. My wife wanted this phone also and we almost got it last Friday, but held off for whatever reason. She is now also going to buy a Samsung GS3.
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Sorry Gorilla glass is not shatter proof. Only scratch resistant. I love how you blame the phone instead of your self.

[Story]Serious complaint and remorse for buying a Nexus 5 at Carphone Warehouse UK

I'm not 100% sure if this is the correct thread, however given the nature that it is relevant to the general discussion of the Nexus 5 I'm going to post it in here anyway.
Do not shop at Carphone Warehouse UK​
So I bought my Nexus 5 on release day from the Carphone Warehouse. I paid £295. When I got it home to my annoyance it wouldn't charge, no matter what I did it would not charge. I'm pretty experienced with phones and could tell it was a hardware error. I use my phone primarily for business, so being without a phone is completely a no-go for me. I took my Nexus 5 back to Carphone Warehouse on the assumption that they would just do a straight swap, however no they didn't have any stock in.. which is where my trouble started.
They offered me an alternative phone, they recommended the LG G2 as it only had a price difference of £150 and for some stupid reason, I went for it. The device I received was in an OPEN BOX (my mistake, I admit) that has had promotional stickers ripped off, however the phone inside was sealed, and so I assumed there was no issue. Got the phone home, start using it and discover that the phone is getting hot and crashing, this is as soon as I've got it out of the box.. so it's not like I've done anything to it or used it too much.
Anyway took it back to Carphone Warehouse the following day. By this point I was quite annoyed because the store that I purchased it from is a 60.8 Mile round trip. Due to my working hours I can't go to my local one, which closes at 5PM. The store I got the G2 from closes at 8PM, making it the only store I can get to that is open. I took the phone in and spoke to a lady on the Checkout about the issue and she said that an exchange was no problem and that more importantly, they had the Nexus 5 in stock. We initiated the exchange when she checked the IMEI. At this point she said she needed to speak to her manager. After around 5 minutes of waiting and her taking my phone in the back with her, she comes back and says to me 'I'm sorry Sir, we cannot exchange this phone as YOU have taken this phone and swapped it for an identical one with a different IMEI number. Our system shows you should have a different phone'
Quite astounded at what she had told me, I explained to her that I had only just purchased the phone the previous morning. She wouldn't have any of it and sent me away with an 0845 number to call to make a complaint. On the way home I called into another Carphone Warehouse store. I spoke to a lady who called Customer Services on behalf of me to find out how this issue could have occurred. To put it plain and simple, the IMEI on the box of the phone was the same as the one on the system, but the phone I had had an alien IMEI. After she spoke to Customer Services the lady told me that unfortunately they couldn't do anything from their store because, get this, the phone I had was being sent off for a repair. I would have to take it back to the original store, the same store that just fobbed me off, in order to get it exchanged. And this was head office that told me this!
The following day I spoke to customer services myself. I rung up and lodged a complaint because I believe the fact that I was accused of committing fraud but am also expected to drive 60 Miles to resolve a problem is disgusting. I spoke to a lady called Amy who "promised" me she would get to the bottom of this for me and resolve it. She told me that she could see from notes put on the account (presumably from the previous days call to cs) that the phone was a repair handset. She then spoke to the repairs team who confirmed they were waiting for the handset to arrive. She told me that she wouldn't be able to resolve the issue until she had spoken to the store I originally bought the handset from. She then "promised" to call me back as soon as she had spoken to them, or by 5PM the same day.
For records, this was on the 6th November.
5PM came, and no call. Because she called me on an 0800 number and wouldn't give me a number to contact her on, I was unable to call her myself. However the following morning (7th November) she called me and told me that she had still been unable to get in contact with the store in question and that she would definitely have this fixed for me by the evening and that she would call me back by 5PM. Well 5PM came and went, and there was no call. By this point I was extremely annoyed. The following morning there was no call either, so I called CPW on my mobile (which has charged me) and requested to speak to Amy. By this point it was on the third day of being without a working handset and nobody had really acknowledged there was an issue, or done anything to solve it. I actually managed to get put through to Amy who told me that she had still not been able to get through to the store, but that her manager was in in 20 minutes and she would call me back with a resolution to the issue. I asked her if she would 100% call me back, and she promised she would. 24 hours passed and no call.
So by this point I've been without a handset for 4 days, been sold a second hand one, promised that I will have a call from customer services to resolve it but haven't, and been accused of fraud. Getting quite angry at this point.
I allowed a few days to go by to see if Amy would get in contact with me, however by Monday 11th November she still hadn't. We took the phone to the Trafford Centre store which is still a good 25 miles away. We spoke to a very helpful gentleman in the Carphone Warehouse store who went to a lot of trouble for me. He spoke to head office who reiterated the fact that the phone was a repair handset and advised the gentleman to call the store I bought the phone from. He called the store and spoke to the manager. He confirmed that the IMEI on the box of the phone I had was in store, and that there had been a bit of a mess up and he was unsure of how it had happened. I was then told that unfortunately due to the circumstances of the issue I would have to drive to the other store, a further 10 miles, to initiate the exchange OR refund.
So finally just under a week of being without a phone and driving from my house to Manchester every other day the issue was resolved and I would be able to go back to a Nexus 5 or get a refund. Hell, wasn't I wrong.
On arrival at the store we spoke to the manager who told us we had two options, either swap the LG G2 for another LG G2, or get a cheaper handset. He couldn't offer us a refund because he would have to speak to customer services who were closed, and he wasn't prepared to knock the difference off a HTC One (£50) due to all the problems we had had. Furthermore the sim-free price of a Nexus 5 at Carphone is now £495, however they are not selling them sim-free at the moment! I was then told that I could have a refund, but I would have to come back the following day!! All this after driving probably in excess of 200 miles.
I felt backed into a corner and didn't really have a choice but to accept the G2. As I said earlier I need a handset for work and it's not an option for me to be without one.
I then spoke to the complaints department of Carphone Warehouse once again yesterday. I explained everything that I have just said in this post, and their reply:
"We do not offer refunds on any sim-free products, and the manager was wrong to tell you that we do. Because you accepted the G2 there is nothing we can do for you. You chose to drive there on your free will. Would you like me to raise your complaint against the store?"
:good: Not happy.
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So now I really do not know what to do. I have been left with a phone that I do not want and am considerably out of pocket due to fuel costs of driving to get the issue resolved. Help?

Never get upset with them, for starters. It's difficult, I know from extensive experience, but their hands are tied to within their policies and they won't want to help if you tell them off like they probably deserve.
This is how I've played these games and won countless times.
Politely calmly ask:
"So, there is nothing you can do?"
"No, I'm sorry sir, there isn't"
"What is your employee ID#, who is your superior, and how do I contact them? I'd like to pass on a good work for your efforts"
Rinse, repeat. Insist to pass to a superior. They'll tell you nobody can help. Tell them you feel like you deserve to hear it from their boss.
I once had a vp with Sprint (verified that they really were via background checks: on the phone with me to resolve an issue by asking "Well, if you can't help me, someone can approve this. Who can?"
Just keep climbing the ladder.
-No longer accidental, just Jeremy. F.cfb
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That story has put me off buying from CPW for life. Thanks for sharing how they see fit to treat a customer who has spent hundreds of pounds in their store.
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setspeed said:
That story has put me off buying from CPW for life. Thanks for sharing how they see fit to treat a customer who has spent hundreds of pounds in their store.
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I don't blame you, going to try my luck again later with their complaints department. I will update the thread. I think a lot of it depends on who you speak to as well, it's not necessarily speaking to a manager that matters, it's speaking to someone that can relate to your experience.

Good luck, I hope you end up with a decent resolution, but I fear that even if you were to get the phone you want, all the extra money you gave them and spent on petrol is lost. I really wanted an N5 on release day and I even went to my local CPW to take a look at them - thank God they weren't selling the 32GB because I would've bought it there and then. It might've taken a few days longer from Google, but at least I know they won't jerk me around if I have to return it (I returned my N4 last year because I didn't like it enough to keep it over my S3, no issues with refund at all).
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I mentioned managers because sometimes the person you're speaking to doesn't have the power to make that decision on your behalf, and must go by policy. Someone in the chain, however, can choose to bypass policy. Talk to them if you don't get what you want (as long as it's realistic).
-No longer accidental, just Jeremy. F.cfb
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jRi0T68 said:
I mentioned managers because sometimes the person you're speaking to doesn't have the power to make that decision on your behalf, and must go by policy. Someone in the chain, however, can choose to bypass policy. Talk to them if you don't get what you want (as long as it's realistic).
-No longer accidental, just Jeremy. F.cfb
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Oh no I completely agree with you there! Sorry I meant you multi-quote. I mean the gateway though, I believe a realistic demand is to have the Nexus 5 for £295 and a refund of £150 which I paid the difference on for my LG G2. This is fair, right?

I'd get yourself to citizens advice just to get something in writing and report them to trading standards - they're spinning you a line. No refunds on Sim Free?? Any product sold by a retailer in the UK is subject to the Sale of Goods act. You can return an item for a full refund if it's not as described, of satisfactory quality or fit for purpose. The rules don't just stop there but they're the basics
If you fancy a read and have some time: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1979/54
Edit - forgot to add, you're entitled to a full "cash" refund too, you don't have to accept store credit..

Cactus42 said:
I'd get yourself to citizens advice just to get something in writing and report them to trading standards - they're spinning you a line. No refunds on Sim Free?? Any product sold by a retailer in the UK is subject to the Sale of Goods act. You can return an item for a full refund if it's not as described, of satisfactory quality or fit for purpose. The rules don't just stop there but they're the basics
If you fancy a read and have some time: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1979/54
Edit - forgot to add, you're entitled to a full "cash" refund too, you don't have to accept store credit..
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Good advice here. I would also get the credit card company involved.
You did pay by credit card didn't you? If not, silly billy.
This is a good way of dragging someone else into the fray on your side and applying pressure on recalcitrant suppliers.

I got my N5 from CPW and i'm on my 3rd handset (which is no fault of CPW).
Each time i've taken it back they've been helpful and each time they've given me a new handset they've pulled the outer sleeve off to show it's a new and factory sealed box...
I suppose the service you get depends on which store you go to :/
Also i have to ask...
You got a sim free phone meaning you would have already had another working phone/sim?
Why didnt you just wait for the nexus 5 to get back into stock again? :/
Also looking at your sig...
Why didnt you stick with the Z1?

I'm not defending CPW as the issue you're having is tragic.
But at the same time you made numerous mistakes yourself and undoubtedly made things harder..for yourself.
The first being not waiting for the N5 to get back in stock again from that specific retailer or asking them to find a store where it was in stock and doing an exchange there.
The second, getting a phone you did NOT want and paying an EXTRA £150 for it. You do acknowledge this was an open box and you were still in a position to run the risk that it did not behave as intended. Which unfortunately it did.
Glad you got that IMEI stuff fixed, that was BS on their part. Handy Gentleman at trafford to the rescue! Oh yeah, Thirdly, you were wasting your time with Amy, She was clearly incompetent at her job, producing no results every time you waited for her and continued to wait for her again.
Driving up and down in excess of xx miles is another issue when you could have made the alternative and smarter decision of calling the individual store up. Each CPW store has a different phone number which you can find on the website. Only till you're guaranteed that you can have an exchange or whatever you had desired, you could have popped in. Had that particular store failed to assist you, you wouldn't have to drive back achieving nothing but wasted petrol.
Oh yeah, when you finally spoke to the manager, you conceded and accepted another LG G2, may I reiterate, as you said. A phone you did NOT want. So customer Service was closed but you still had the opportunity for a full refund. Again, why not wait till it was open. [I get it, driving issues but that shouldn't stop you if it causes more 'driving issues' later]
The issue is, you don't wait for things and you take the easiest most convenient option at the time but at the end of the day it's the one you don't like, so you wish-wash out of it and things become more complicated.
The IMEI was unfortunate and yes, incredibly annoying. But that got resolved. The faulty handset is by no means the direct fault of CPW. And you did have a choice in regards to accepting the G2, I really don't see how you're playing the victim card in this aspect with that. In terms of work, you could have used a temp phone in the mean time, nothing fancy, an old nokia could have done the job if you need to make calls. You already had a sim if I'm correct. I figure the refund for the Nexus 5 was not an option the moment you opted for the G2 as that phone supersedes the N5 in terms of pricing. I figure what you want now is a refund for the LG G2 and the Nexus 5 at the £295 pricepoint from CPW that it once had? I don't think that's a realistic expectation anymore mate. At best just accept the refund for the LG G2. The N5 window is gone.
An alternative If you still want the Nexus 5 would be selling your LG G2, boxed and unopen, I hope and buying a N5 at the play store.
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I believe a realistic demand is to have the Nexus 5 for £295 and a refund of £150 which I paid the difference on for my LG G2. This is fair, right?
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No, it isn't a realistic demand because once you bought the LG G2, that became a stand alone product independent from any attachment with the N5. Quite simply you have you're head attached to the idea that the Nexus 5 is your main phone from CPW and that the LG G2 is a temp / secondary / repair or whatever. Once you chose the G2, you made your bed, that's where all the concern now lies.
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I got my N5 from CPW and i'm on my 3rd handset (which is no fault of CPW).
Each time i've taken it back they've been helpful and each time they've given me a new handset they've pulled the outer sleeve off to show it's a new and factory sealed box...
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Also, this is a clear example that the CPW system does not fail with returns. Ahhhhhhhhh Now I'm contradicting the first sentence in this post. But the problem does not lie with them completely as you make it out.

for those of you that believe you received a defective device

Even though sprint is not better business bureau accredited, I have filed a complaint with the BBB against sprint regarding the fact that they have knowledgeably put defective devices in the hands of consumers, and are not making a quick effort to remedy the situation, I have also stated that sprint wants to replace the devices with refurbished devices, which are valued at a lesser value then a brand new device, and still charge customers for the full price of the brand new device. I have also pointed out that they are stringing customers through the 14 day exchange period claiming it is the network, and then on the 15th day saying it is the device, and making it very difficult to exchange the devices. any way I am encouraging any one who has had issues with their device to file a complaint with the bbb against sprint, as sprint does respond to their complaints on there

Yesterday, after many chats and calls with Sprint, and 2 trips to 2 different stores, I was assured that my device is fine and that the towers in my area are to be fully functional by May 7. We'll see if my service improves. I have the option of getting refurb, which is complete bs. A brand new phone that may be defective and I can't get a brand new one because I'm past the 14 days. So yeah, I'm with you on this if things don't improve in 3-4 days.

OP. The first device I've received had a completely black pixel in the top right. I exchanged it and got a new phone with a SCRATCH under the glass and a red pixel (which I'm guessing is dead). On my third trip the guy was reluctant to hand me a new HTC One, but when I got it, it had another completely black pixel. I completely agree that sprint is knowingly dishing out defective devices to people. I'll try and figure out how to file a complaint with them. Thanks OP
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please do, the more people who complain to the bbb the better, Im also planning to email sprint the laws regarding knowingly selling defective devices

dogcmp6 said:
please do, the more people who complain to the bbb the better, Im also planning to email sprint the laws regarding knowingly selling defective devices
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Hard to prove stupidity.

Count me in on this. Not a happy camper. Two weeks of "it's the towers in your area", an hour + with three levels of tech support from my landline and finally a second trip to a store where a technician actually tested the device and entered an eTicket on my accounting noting my M8 was defective and needed to be replaced.
No TEP? $75 bucks to replace the phone through Sprint or screw around for a few weeks dealing directly with HTC. Why should I have to pay for a defective product that never worked well and progressively deteriorated into a worthless brick? I can't get calls from my customers or email in the field and this is not good for business so I'm desperate. Even though furious at the prospect of paying $75 dollars for a 4 week old phone that didn't work through no fault of my own, for expediency I begrudgingly went ahead and set up getting a replacement. Damn, what a scam!
After it all gets set up and entered into the computer, then the guy tells me they are on backorder and it will be 5 to 7 days before they ship.
I just about lost it but attempted to maintain some degree of civility while expressing my displeasure with this policy, their crap customer service that could care less and that my intention was to contact the BBB and possibly the Attorney General regarding this whole debacle. I know the guy I was speaking to was just doing his job and probably hears a lot of this but his one saving grace was asking me if I still had my old phone.
After confirming they weren't going to bone me an activation fee for bringing my old phone back online and not for the replacement M8 whenever I get it, I am now back on my three year old HTC Evo 4G but at least I can make and receive calls, get texts and have some degree of mobile data connectivity and can get email away from WiFi. In the post-contact texts from Sprint asking about my satisfaction with the recent call, I let them know this was robbery and that I would never recommend anyone ever choose Sprint.
I think I can put TEP on my replacement and trust me, if it doesn't work as expected I'll utilize it to the max and if still not satisfied, feel like this is sufficient grounds to break my contract and go somewhere else. It took days to get my M8 setup just the way I wanted it and I absolutely love it. Too bad I can't use it. :crying:
--Elisabeth
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FA43KSF... serial number

I agree with your anger. I have never wanted to switch carriers in the 5 years with Sprint until now. I wish I had not have sold my gs3 when I got my m8. I would go back to that and sell this one. I still might. It may be the towers for me, that is yet to be seen, but the utter lack of service over this is the frustrating part. I shouldn't get a refurb for a brand new defective device. "That's Sprint policy" though. Lameness.

Yeah, once I have my replacement I will be submitting a complaint to the attorney general of Illinois about the issue too, and encourage others to take part in that step too...also I can see by the increase in complaints to sprint on BBB's website that a good amount of people are seeing this thread and submitting complaints...ive been stuck on a Samsung replenish which is my back up phone for 4 days...also the serial on my defective m8 is HT441SF....

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Count me in on this. Not a happy camper. Two weeks of "it's the towers in your area", an hour + with three levels of tech support from my landline and finally a second trip to a store where a technician actually tested the device and entered an eTicket on my accounting noting my M8 was defective and needed to be replaced.
No TEP? $75 bucks to replace the phone through Sprint or screw around for a few weeks dealing directly with HTC. Why should I have to pay for a defective product that never worked well and progressively deteriorated into a worthless brick? I can't get calls from my customers or email in the field and this is not good for business so I'm desperate. Even though furious at the prospect of paying $75 dollars for a 4 week old phone that didn't work through no fault of my own, for expediency I begrudgingly went ahead and set up getting a replacement. Damn, what a scam!
After it all gets set up and entered into the computer, then the guy tells me they are on backorder and it will be 5 to 7 days before they ship.
I just about lost it but attempted to maintain some degree of civility while expressing my displeasure with this policy, their crap customer service that could care less and that my intention was to contact the BBB and possibly the Attorney General regarding this whole debacle. I know the guy I was speaking to was just doing his job and probably hears a lot of this but his one saving grace was asking me if I still had my old phone.
After confirming they weren't going to bone me an activation fee for bringing my old phone back online and not for the replacement M8 whenever I get it, I am now back on my three year old HTC Evo 4G but at least I can make and receive calls, get texts and have some degree of mobile data connectivity and can get email away from WiFi. In the post-contact texts from Sprint asking about my satisfaction with the recent call, I let them know this was robbery and that I would never recommend anyone ever choose Sprint.
I think I can put TEP on my replacement and trust me, if it doesn't work as expected I'll utilize it to the max and if still not satisfied, feel like this is sufficient grounds to break my contract and go somewhere else. It took days to get my M8 setup just the way I wanted it and I absolutely love it. Too bad I can't use it. :crying:
--Elisabeth
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Mine starts with fa43 also maybe I need to return it I just got it
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What is the worst thing about this is how Sprint is handling it.
Not that broken/defective devices exist or broken towers.
Just that they could give crap about you as a loyal customer.
They treat you like dirt. And they wonder why customers treat them like dirt back.
It's been such a bad experience, it took all the fun out of getting this phone. So they botch something, it happens. It's they handle it like sh$t.
I would have been more content keeping my old M7 phone.
It started off like crap when they kept me on the phone for like an hour when I ordered the thing and tried to upsell a bunch a crap.
And the lady had put a Tablet AND Stylus on my order. I caught her at the end had her take it off. But she left a freaken stylus on there.
It was only $15.00, just small enough to not want to waste another hour on the phone and shipping it back.
Man did that piss me off to start.

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What is the worst thing about this is how Sprint is handling it.
Not that broken/defective devices exist or broken towers.
Just that they could give crap about you as a loyal customer.
They treat you like dirt. And they wonder why customers treat them like dirt back.
It's been such a bad experience, it took all the fun out of getting this phone. So they botch something, it happens. It's they handle it like sh$t.
I would have been more content keeping my old M7 phone.
It started off like crap when they kept me on the phone for like an hour when I ordered the thing and tried to upsell a bunch a crap.
And the lady had put a Tablet AND Stylus on my order. I caught her at the end had her take it off. But she left a freaken stylus on there.
It was only $15.00, just small enough to not want to waste another hour on the phone and shipping it back.
Man did that piss me off to start.
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Sorry, but the fact that you got a stylus for a phone, that clearly doesn't need one, is hilarious to me.
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The lady I ordered from tried to upsell that stuff to me too. She wouldn't take no for an answer and actually asked me if it was a money issue as to why I didn't want the tablet. I was so irritated that I yelled.

And that's why I only order from their website. No hassle and you get the same results.
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And that's why I only order from their website. No hassle and you get the same results.
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Because I have a SERO 500 plan (two of them) that's not an option. It's part of the dues you pay for having that plan.
I'd be long gone if not for the SERO 500 plan. No way I'd pay regular price for this network and customer service. It's getting close to not being worth the savings as is.

I agree with you. I have 2 sero plans as well, if not then I would be long gone too.

I have the opposite experience with Sprint. LTE is everywhere averaging 20 to 30 mb. I pay roughly 60 a line too. I'm not going anywhere lol
4/21-5/20
Anytime 62M/1500
Text 613/Unl
3G Data 94532KB/Unl
4G Data 4242870KB/Unl
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fr0st420 said:
I have the opposite experience with Sprint. LTE is everywhere averaging 20 to 30 mb. I pay roughly 60 a line too. I'm not going anywhere lol
4/21-5/20
Anytime 62M/1500
Text 613/Unl
3G Data 94532KB/Unl
4G Data 4242870KB/Unl
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I'm lucky if I get 0.5 mb.

My sprint horror story continues...was told on Wednesday of last week that my new phone would be there in two business days, got told yesterday (Monday) that it would be here by today...go to the store thinking I would pick it up today, and my phones not there, the manager pulls up the tracking and says it hasn't even shipped yet, keeps me there for an hour and a half well he talks to his other store people about who to call at the warehouse, instead of calling the warehouse like he would do if he had any freaking common sense

I'm not having any issues. Sorry to hear all of you guys, hope that I never fall on that situation.
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What's the defect about? I ordered my m8 off contract for 250 thru htcchampions.

My RotateGate Experience

Over two weeks ago sent it in for the repair because from what I've seen, swapping at Verizon would just get me the same issue again. Got into them, stated part was on backorder. Decided to tell them send it back to me and I'd keep swapping with Verizon as I work in IT and can't be without a phone for an unknown period of time. Well, this is what I got back:
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They set up "overnight" back to them on Thursday 6/4/2015. I got it in on 6/5/2015 to UPS. They screwed up (Samsung) and didn't select Saturday so they got it Monday. Danny at the Executive Customer Relations set this all up, promised me the phone back no later than 6/10/2015. I call Tuesday, 6/9/2015 since no activity on ticket yet they signed at dock 6/8/2015. They stated issue with ticket, had to create new one, will be fixed/shipped Wednesday back Thursday. Wednesday comes, no activity, call again, they state tickets take 2-3 days under executive terms, I said wait, you created this new ticket, the original started Monday, they apologized "nothing they can do" (This was Ratamus at Executive Team, stated he was a manager), will be to me no later than Saturday, will have overnight with Saturday delivery. Thursday night, shipping created, 2 day air of course, not yet picked up. Friday I call, they say UPS has it, even though tracking says otherwise, I tell them I don't believe it, they say it will be here and "sorry we selected 2 day" Sure enough this morning I check, delivery scheduled for Tuesday now, I call to make them aware this is the absolute worst experience I've had in my entire life with customer service, and they will be getting a letter and complaint to BBB. I've made sure to post pictures of this on social media as giant companies need to be held accountable while touting an "excellent customer service experience is our goal".
Beware...

Update: About 3 weeks of waiting and I have a working phone. The Accelerometer, Gyroscope, Battery (for unknown reason) and USB port (again, unknown reason) were replaced. While it's in perfect working order at the current time I am filing with the BBB for the lack of communication, time wasted and outright lies from Samsung customer service and their executive team. Not to mention nobody with a defect this wide should have to be with out a phone for any period of time near this.
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I believe we have reached the point with these phones (all brands, all carriers) that we MUST not ever be without them at all EVER! All companies must be forced to provide a comparable replacement/loaner (if you will) to the customer until all warranty/defect issues are completely resolved. Now when it comes to end user damage such as a dropped phone/cracked screen etc., etc. Then the same should apply except it is up to the end user/customer to have purchased their own insurance plan in order to get the replacement phone before having to send in the broken one. These companies created this monster that we all have come to depend on for all of our communication needs and they MUST provide us with a way to keep our communications needs in tact while they repair and or replace defective phones. Especially with the prices we pay!!!

Chilinmichael said:
Over two weeks ago sent it in for the repair because from what I've seen, swapping at Verizon would just get me the same issue again. Got into them, stated part was on backorder. Decided to tell them send it back to me and I'd keep swapping with Verizon as I work in IT and can't be without a phone for an unknown period of time. Well, this is what I got back:
http://imgur.com/qZuLd9R
http://imgur.com/2Vfm6cc
They set up "overnight" back to them on Thursday 6/4/2015. I got it in on 6/5/2015 to UPS. They screwed up (Samsung) and didn't select Saturday so they got it Monday. Danny at the Executive Customer Relations set this all up, promised me the phone back no later than 6/10/2015. I call Tuesday, 6/9/2015 since no activity on ticket yet they signed at dock 6/8/2015. They stated issue with ticket, had to create new one, will be fixed/shipped Wednesday back Thursday. Wednesday comes, no activity, call again, they state tickets take 2-3 days under executive terms, I said wait, you created this new ticket, the original started Monday, they apologized "nothing they can do" (This was Ratamus at Executive Team, stated he was a manager), will be to me no later than Saturday, will have overnight with Saturday delivery. Thursday night, shipping created, 2 day air of course, not yet picked up. Friday I call, they say UPS has it, even though tracking says otherwise, I tell them I don't believe it, they say it will be here and "sorry we selected 2 day" Sure enough this morning I check, delivery scheduled for Tuesday now, I call to make them aware this is the absolute worst experience I've had in my entire life with customer service, and they will be getting a letter and complaint to BBB. I've made sure to post pictures of this on social media as giant companies need to be held accountable while touting an "excellent customer service experience is our goal".
Beware...
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Yes I agree your situation is terrible and you shouldn't have to deal with it but the bbb is pretty much useless. I owned a business and the bbb makes you pay to be a member and have little affect on anything other than of someone is mad they call for the customer and try to get the problem resolved. Was a member for 1 year and never renewed.

jaseman said:
I believe we have reached the point with these phones (all brands, all carriers) that we MUST not ever be without them at all EVER!
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Ok... You can think that all you want, but that doesn't mean they have to do it. No more than a car manufacturer has to give you a loaner while your car is being repaired. Some choose to give loaner cars, but they aren't obligated to.
If you can't live without a phone for a few days, it is YOUR responsibility to have a spare.

JasonJoel said:
Ok... You can think that all you want, but that doesn't mean they have to do it. No more than a car manufacturer has to give you a loaner while your car is being repaired. Some choose to give loaner cars, but they aren't obligated to.
If you can't live without a phone for a few days, it is YOUR responsibility to have a spare.
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Couldn't disagree more!
All reputable car dealerships provide loaner cars for warranty repairs. If they didn't they would not have customers. Must we have a spare car laying around in case our new, under warranty car, needs repairs? Granted the cost of a spare car is certainly more than a spare phone (not by much though at today's rates) but that should become part of the customer experience for cell phones also. Just calculate what "we" pay for one smart phone per year, including all communication services, and nearly mandatory insurance, and then look at the huge profit these companies are making, it seems to me that to provide us with a loaner that they can sell as a refurb later on is not asking too much!

Not even CLOSE to true. Many dealerships don't give out loaner cars. I've worked directly with dozens of dealerships from hyundai, Ford, to Audi - and it is not a given at all.
And no, you're not supposed to have a spare car... You are supposed to get a ride or rent one.
Obviously of you find a phone manufacturer that gives out free loaners, then feel free to give them all your business.
Good luck.

jaseman said:
Couldn't disagree more!
All reputable car dealerships provide loaner cars for warranty repairs. If they didn't they would not have customers. Must we have a spare car laying around in case our new, under warranty car, needs repairs? Granted the cost of a spare car is certainly more than a spare phone (not by much though at today's rates) but that should become part of the customer experience for cell phones also. Just calculate what "we" pay for one smart phone per year, including all communication services, and nearly mandatory insurance, and then look at the huge profit these companies are making, it seems to me that to provide us with a loaner that they can sell as a refurb later on is not asking too much!
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Lol is this a serious post

Quite the different outlooks here. From my experience here on Long Island in NY, yes, car dealers give out loaners if it's an extended repair more than a day, on average if under warranty. Cell phones are obviously not a car, and if I wanted a "loaner" in this situation I would have simply brought the phone into Verizon, they take it and send it in for repair and I get a replacement on site to keep (a refurb or new replacement, that's up to them per contract agreement). Since this issue was not fixed with any batch yet, the only option was to send into Samsung direct which they don't offer a loaner or replacement program. It is rather disturbing...with a computer hard drive for example, I can do an advance RMA where they hold my CC and send a new one first then I send old back so no down time. IMO, as cell phones are doing more than calls and adding features everyday with people relying on them more and more, companies such as Samsung should institute advance RMA or loaner policies for their benefit and the customer's.
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I would also like it if more companies offered advance RMA.

Back again! After months of being fine, it now won't rotate back to portrait correctly. Nicely done Samsung.
This time I'll be going to Verizon to warranty swap the phone, not wasting my time sending into Samsung and being out a phone again since it's painfully obvious they have no real fix. I'll let you all know I purely use Wireless charging, so maybe this worsens the situation/speeds up process. Either way, I am using the phone for what it's designed to do, and it's failed yet again.

Chilinmichael said:
Back again! After months of being fine, it now won't rotate back to portrait correctly. Nicely done Samsung.
This time I'll be going to Verizon to warranty swap the phone, not wasting my time sending into Samsung and being out a phone again since it's painfully obvious they have no real fix. I'll let you all know I purely use Wireless charging, so maybe this worsens the situation/speeds up process. Either way, I am using the phone for what it's designed to do, and it's failed yet again.
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technically they wont do a warranty swap to my knowledge in store... they might give a loaner however.. at least i was told warranty replacements have to be shipped which they overnighted mine
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elliwigy said:
technically they wont do a warranty swap to my knowledge in store... they might give a loaner however.. at least i was told warranty replacements have to be shipped which they overnighted mine
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Yes, it has to be shipped, which is fine. I'm going on vacation for a week so I'll do it when I get back. Wonder how long it'll take this time for it to happen again. Funny, if the camera can still rotate without issue why can't they software fix every other app? I've also factory reset the phone to see if that would fix it, which it did not.

Chilinmichael said:
Yes, it has to be shipped, which is fine. I'm going on vacation for a week so I'll do it when I get back. Wonder how long it'll take this time for it to happen again. Funny, if the camera can still rotate without issue why can't they software fix every other app? I've also factory reset the phone to see if that would fix it, which it did not.
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we have an s6 straight and capacitive buttons went out then we got a replacement and those buttons went out within 24hrs lol.. some phones are just bad in general so im in the same boat with that device.. will be the 3rd phone when i decide to call them again
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i have had this happen to me twice already, i got a new phone both times.

On my new phone now, working...for now. I don't have hopes of it staying that way, but would be nice. I liken this to the defect of the Samsung Moment with CDMA lockup. They got sued, put out a supposed "software" fix while it was hardware related. They suit claimed when CDMA lockup occurred and a reboot needed to take place, you couldn't call 911 and it did not function for emergencies. Samsung quickly put out a software update that "allowed 911 dialing during lockup conditions" which was not true, at all. Go look it all up. I avoided Samsung for a long time after that, this is giving me that same feeling again and it's just as sad because like the Moment, it's one of the best phones (if not the best) currently on the market.

Delivered an empty box from Motorola RMA

I shattered my screen a month after getting my phone. Living in Colombia I knew I would have to do an advance replacement fee and send the phone to my friend and his wife. They were coming to visit in a few weeks. I called support and explained to them the situation. They agreed to send a phone to my friends home and when he came to colombia I would give him the broken one. Well 4 days went by and no tracking for my phone that was supposed to be 1 day shipping. I called back and they said it would ship that day. Another day and no shipping. I call again and now they tell me they don't even have blue in stock. So they offer a white one 64 gb. Keep in mind I had 15 phones delivered to my friend to bring to me, including some iphones 6S's. My friends arrive with all my phones and well an empty box from motorola. I also notice the advance fee dropped off my credit card. So I assume with all the confusion from support over the non stock phone they did a standard replacement, which totally screws me over. So I call them after the weekend and they tell me they have to report it to fedex. Well fedex calls me and says the package was signed for, I say of course because a package was delivered. Now keep in mind this is all back from November.
So I start emailing everyone from Motorola, twitter, facebook just trying to get some real answers.
Here is the response I got today
"Hi Greg.
The news is not good. The package was shipped with a 64GB Nexus 6, and we have the serial number. Since it was signed for, FedEx is less likely to approve a claim, but that will be your best bet.
The downside is that we are going to have to charge you for the phone we sent. If you send in your broken phone we can release that hold, but unfortunately you are going to be charged for the repair cost in any event.
We've been holding this open so we can't extend this indefinitely. We are able to hold it open for two weeks -- if you can return by then we'll release the hold on the phone we sent.
- Matt"
The funny part is and I have told them a few times that there is no hold and you would only drop the hold if you sent an empty standard replacement box. They seem to ignore this comment every time. What makes it even more difficult is, Chase Sapphire was going to fix the phone but now with all this crap who knows what will happen. I googled motorola support empty box and found one other person tweet to Motorola Support with the same issue. I am curious has anyone else had issues with doing an RMA with these guys?

What do expect to gain by posting this here?

daweeze02 said:
I shattered my screen a month after getting my phone. Living in Colombia I knew I would have to do an advance replacement fee and send the phone to my friend and his wife. They were coming to visit in a few weeks. I called support and explained to them the situation. They agreed to send a phone to my friends home and when he came to colombia I would give him the broken one. Well 4 days went by and no tracking for my phone that was supposed to be 1 day shipping. I called back and they said it would ship that day. Another day and no shipping. I call again and now they tell me they don't even have blue in stock. So they offer a white one 64 gb. Keep in mind I had 15 phones delivered to my friend to bring to me, including some iphones 6S's. My friends arrive with all my phones and well an empty box from motorola. I also notice the advance fee dropped off my credit card. So I assume with all the confusion from support over the non stock phone they did a standard replacement, which totally screws me over. So I call them after the weekend and they tell me they have to report it to fedex. Well fedex calls me and says the package was signed for, I say of course because a package was delivered. Now keep in mind this is all back from November.
So I start emailing everyone from Motorola, twitter, facebook just trying to get some real answers.
Here is the response I got today
"Hi Greg.
The news is not good. The package was shipped with a 64GB Nexus 6, and we have the serial number. Since it was signed for, FedEx is less likely to approve a claim, but that will be your best bet.
The downside is that we are going to have to charge you for the phone we sent. If you send in your broken phone we can release that hold, but unfortunately you are going to be charged for the repair cost in any event.
We've been holding this open so we can't extend this indefinitely. We are able to hold it open for two weeks -- if you can return by then we'll release the hold on the phone we sent.
- Matt"
The funny part is and I have told them a few times that there is no hold and you would only drop the hold if you sent an empty standard replacement box. They seem to ignore this comment every time. What makes it even more difficult is, Chase Sapphire was going to fix the phone but now with all this crap who knows what will happen. I googled motorola support empty box and found one other person tweet to Motorola Support with the same issue. I am curious has anyone else had issues with doing an RMA with these guys?
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this is a long shot but call and ask Fed-ex what the actual weight of the package vs what the customer printed on the shipping label. I used to work for a logistics company here in California and we would re weigh the freight before forwarding it out of our warehouse. I know Fed-Ex international also do this but i am not sure about domestic. If you can get that information from Fed-ex it might help support your claim with moto.
Good luck, hope it works out for you.

Thanks, I'll call them again today.