Since Project Butter was announced as groundbreaking for Android devices, it would be good to know what the community thinks about it as the official JB ROMs have launched.
Please provide your input as a casual user and your day-to-day experience, and also as a more techie user or a developer.
The intent is to provide Samsung, if they still lurk on XDA, feedback on how they can improve future development to make Android really smooth, even though the UI is not treated with priority, as it is on iOS.
As far as I am concerned, I didn't notice any difference from ICS to JB on a stock ROM; essentially, Project Butter doesn't exist for my device. The device still stutters where it did on ICS.
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incisivekeith said:
As far as I am concerned, I didn't notice any difference from ICS to JB on a stock ROM; essentially, Project Butter doesn't exist for my device. The device still stutters where it did on ICS.
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I would agree with your assessment. I think that the stock JB is very stable, however there is no noticeable difference in speed compared with, say, LRQ.
When I press "contacts" or "phone" button, there is still a lag. My understanding of project butter (rightly or wrongly) was that these kind of lags are supposed to be almost eliminated.
Interestingly, when my wife's galaxy S was running slimbean 3.0, it was close to what I expected "project butter" to deliver. However I reverted her SGS back to ICS due to stability issues.
edit- I'm on LM5
edit 2 - Interesting that 90 people have viewed this thread so far, and nobody has disagreed with Incisivekeith's review. Perhaps we can conclude that "project butter" is not included in LSZ or LM5.
To my mind, Project Butter means an entirely GPU accelerated UI. That is what explain this "buttery" feeling when you drag down the notification bar, when you scroll in the browser, etc..
It is certainly activated in our JB roms, because if it was not the case, the rom would be much more laggier, and touch wiz would be the pain it has ever been since the Galaxy S.
However, I'm sure our PB is a far less efficient one than used in the nexii phones. You can easily tell, there are still some lag in the appearance of the notification bar (when opening an app, laoding something..), and the whole feeling is absolutely not like any Apple device (that I despise, of course ).
I have none of the technical skills to give a more detailed answer, but I remain amazed by the fact our devices are not free of any lag, in spite of their double core, big GPU, 1gb RAM etc...
To realize project butter you need a high speed camera. If you running heavily skinned OS has TW you will tend to see some lags. Remember Our note is almost year and half old....
Project Butter and How it Works
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To realize project butter you need a high speed camera. If you running heavily skinned OS has TW you will tend to see some lags. Remember Our note is almost year and half old....
Project Butter and How it Works
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Thanks for the link !
But we don't have the choice, i don't think any android AOSP/AOKP rom includes project butter, am I wrong ? These roms feel more laggy than any touchwiz rom, though they also feel lighter. And it's a shame (I blame samsung) because they are innovative and functionnal.
AW: Is Project Butter effective on the Galaxy Note?
As far as I understand, pb is not an acceleration for the hole system, but an acceleration for gui: no micro-lags in launcher, scrolling in Browser and apps. And it does really better, than ics for me. Just compare xda app on both systems and you'll understand what I mean
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crash-petard said:
Thanks for the link !
But we don't have the choice, i don't think any android AOSP/AOKP rom includes project butter, am I wrong ? These roms feel more laggy than any touchwiz rom, though they also feel lighter. And it's a shame (I blame samsung) because they are innovative and functionnal.
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I tend to disagree on the part which states that these AOSP/AOKP ROMs feel more laggy than TW ROMs. As of today, I run Asylum ROM 25/02 which includes major improvements concerning the overall UI experience. It is snappy and smooth. I do explicitly avoid the term "buttery smooth" as it is misleading.
They are not finished products, that's for sure-but being heavily developed. :thumbup:
Any TW ROM running 4.1.2 won't be "buttery smooth" neither, whereas the leaked 4.2.1 ROM for the S3 already showed improvement and thus where helpful to update the Mali blobs for CM10.1, which are successfully implemented. They do work nicely!
If permitted to ask: when did you last try out an AOSP/CM ROM?
Side note: if you blame Samsung, you're always right! I fully agree.
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I'd like to step in here, and this is entirely wrong: Project Butter was not included in jb for viewing in high speed cameras: it was mainly to reduce lag and stutteriness in Android to make the experience amazing for common, general public. Not for professional photographers.
Personally, when my one v is over clocked to 1.5 GHz and above ( and using a jelly bean ROM), the effect is mind blowing. I'd say the device comes near smooth as an iOS device, if not smoother. There are absolutely no lags and waits, and the device performs like a breeze.
Have you ever used a nexus device? That's the best implementation of a device blessed with project butter combined with the blessing of great developers of Google. I have not seen a nexus 4 lag ever. EVER.
Personally, I don't get what's it with galaxy note. I can't understand what's wrong with it to lag so much, I mean, sometimes it lags more than my one v which is a 1ghz single core processor ( I'm not talking about over clocking here).
I think only a professional dev can put light on this.
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I tend to disagree on the part which states that these AOSP/AOKP ROMs feel more laggy than TW ROMs. As of today, I run Asylum ROM 25/02 which includes major improvements concerning the overall UI experience. It is snappy and smooth. I do explicitly avoid the term "buttery smooth" as it is misleading.
They are not finished products, that's for sure-but being heavily developed. :thumbup:
Any TW ROM running 4.1.2 won't be "buttery smooth" neither, whereas the leaked 4.2.1 ROM already showed improvement and thus where helpful to update the Mali blobs for CM10.1, which are successfully implemented. They do work nicely!
If permitted to ask: when did you last try out an AOSP/CM ROM?
Side note: if you blame Samsung, you're always right! I fully agree.
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I totally agree with you, and the fact that an incredible amount of great work is put in AOSP roms remains undeniable. As I said, I blame Samsung, and my respect for developers is unbounded.
My last try was for beerbong's paranoid android v2.99, and I've tried almost any rom in the original dev section. Still, it's been a long time since I have tried, so i'll have a look ! Of course, there are other things that make me stick to stock, SPen integration mostly (looks like there is still no way to use palm rejection in CM roms).
Anyway, I'm glad to see JB leaks help CM developers, I thought the only workaround required kernel sources.
@soham_sss
I see I'm not the only one wondering what could prevent the note from being smooth...
For me, JB is very smooth. Don't forget, that our GNote has just that little Mali GPU which has to drive this huge 1280x800px (Macbooks of 2011 have this resolution ) screen. Based on that fact, JB is buttery smooth.
I suggest to set all animation times in the developer options of your phone to 0.5 (don't forget to reboot, to get the new speeds everywhere in the OS). It makes the Note feel much quicker and more responsive.
When you are there, also try "Force GPU rendering". Every app compiled with the 2.3 SDK has the GPU rendering flag set to off, this option forces it on. I haven't found any apps that don't like this setting and crash. Also, when you google for this, you won't find any apps neither that refuse to work.
I'm very happy with JB. It's smooth and the CPU doesn't have to render anything anymore. Nice!
As I'm thorough, I tried Asylum ROM, as advised. :silly: One thing immediately stroke me : the notification bar is not smooth. It just isn't, there's a discomfort that should not be as if it was still CPU run. And I don't think I'm picky, it's a raw feeling. The rest of the rom is, indeed, pretty snappy (the browser appear much much lighter), but I really need this element of my UI to be impeccable as it come to smoothness, just like the home screens transitions.
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For me, JB is very smooth. Don't forget, that our GNote has just that little Adreno GPU which has to drive this huge 1280x800px (Macbooks of 2011 have this resolution ) screen. Based on that fact, JB is buttery smooth.
I suggest to set all animation times in the developer options of your phone to 0.5 (don't forget to reboot, to get the new speeds everywhere in the OS). It makes the Note feel much quicker and more responsive.
When you are there, also try "Force GPU rendering". Every app compiled with the 2.3 SDK has the GPU rendering flag set to off, this option forces it on. I haven't found any apps that don't like this setting and crash. Also, when you google for this, you won't find any apps neither that refuse to work.
I'm very happy with JB. It's smooth and the CPU doesn't have to render anything anymore. Nice!
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I was not aware that the Note uses Adreno? I thought it was Mali
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As I'm thorough, I tried Asylum ROM, as advised. :silly: One thing immediately stroke me : the notification bar is not smooth. It just isn't, there's a discomfort that should not be as if it was still CPU run. And I don't think I'm picky, it's a raw feeling. The rest of the rom is, indeed, pretty snappy (the browser appear much much lighter), but I really need this element of my UI to be impeccable as it come to smoothness, just like the home screens transitions.
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+1 couldnt agree more.
Ive always had nit picks with my android devices (mainly samsung, some HTC's in the past) and have always experienced some sort of lag, with stock and custom ROMs.
But, correct me if im wrong, I believe this is down to the overlay put on by these companies, they cram the devices with ridiculous amounts of bloatware and eye candy and I feel that has an effect on the overall smoothness.
Ive yet to own a pure AOSP device (such as the nexus's) but i cant recall many people complaining about them.
But I prefer the looks of TW / Sense over AOSP (and ive tried lots of AOSP ROMs) so I accept that bit of lag for the overall look and functionality of things.
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I was not aware that the Note uses Adreno? I thought it was Mali
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Oops. I will change that. Nevertheless: That GPU just isn't the fastest anymore.
And that AOSP is faster, is just normal when you don't unbloat your phone. It's the same with every other Android phone out there. Also AOSP doesn't offer multiwindow, I bet many people aren't really aware of the technical difficulties this brings with it. And therefore this phone is very smooth.
Also try tinkering with the build.prop a little.
windowsmgr.max_events_per_sec
persist.sys.use_dithering
persist.sys.use_16bpp_alpha
can help a lot with the "lag".
But I don't have any lag, so I'm not changing anything. Another thing to maybe consider: Do you have a corrupt install?
The point of this thread is to discuss whether Project Butter is effective on the Note or not, WITHOUT any modifications.
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It isn't since AFAIK Samsung doesn't release source code for Exynos.
If those on a TW JB ROM could download and install "Epic Citadel"(preferred via WiFi as it is a 150mb package) and play the demo. I bet it won't get beyond the 40fps in high quality..
I didn't advise to install Asylum and don't quite get the point of the notification bar. As long as Samsung fails to deliver "proper+sources" we won't get the real "butter" experience.
Apparently the leaked S3 ROM based on 4.2.1 went into a better direction as some Mali blobs could be used, but close to nothing from the 4.1.2 ROMs...
@incisivekeith It may be "project better", but not project butter.
All we need is the official source code and then everyone will be happy n_n
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soham_sss said:
I'd like to step in here, and this is entirely wrong: Project Butter was not included in jb for viewing in high speed cameras: it was mainly to reduce lag and stutteriness in Android to make the experience amazing for common, general public. Not for professional photographers.
Personally, when my one v is over clocked to 1.5 GHz and above ( and using a jelly bean ROM), the effect is mind blowing. I'd say the device comes near smooth as an iOS device, if not smoother. There are absolutely no lags and waits, and the device performs like a breeze.
Have you ever used a nexus device? That's the best implementation of a device blessed with project butter combined with the blessing of great developers of Google. I have not seen a nexus 4 lag ever. EVER.
Personally, I don't get what's it with galaxy note. I can't understand what's wrong with it to lag so much, I mean, sometimes it lags more than my one v which is a 1ghz single core processor ( I'm not talking about over clocking here).
I think only a professional dev can put light on this.
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First of all this is not one v thread or an iOS speed competition. Different devices get different sources to work with. So it doesnt mean that one v is superior. I am happy that at least cm team is giving us nice smooth, fast and daily ROM. TW is for noobs. I don't care about other devices or bull**** until I choose them personally. High speed camera was just for fun...
Cheers from Hell.... :sly:
once you remove bloatedstuff, like automated test, and about 30 others, own risk, reboot, flush cache/dalvik, you will notice considerable improvement, most of the time, but yeah it still stutters sometime.
damn endless tweaking, dont forget some to disable some triggers on boot fo apps you only need on demand.
all own risk buddies
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Ok so I love android and all of it's openness and mods. I like to modify all electronics that I have. But the only problem I have with it is that it isn't smooth. I have had an iPhone in the past and it was smooth. It just confuses me how 1ghz can lag on a mobile os. I guess this rant is to ask how do I smooth the edges. I've tried many roms and some were better than others. One major thing I want is when I unlock it, when I slide homescreen, and when I open the app drawer to be smooth. Any ideas settings roms?
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Read through a lot of threads, and understand that there isn't what you're looking for. You might try MIUI, people report it as smooth - never tried it personally. Also, for launcher use LauncherPro, it's smooth.
About the gigahertz stuff: CPU speed doesn't matter as much as SW does. And there is no "smoothness support" yet.
Android isn't smooth. It's powerful, though. Personally, I like the trade off.
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Ok so I love android and all of it's openness and mods. I like to modify all electronics that I have. But the only problem I have with it is that it isn't smooth. I have had an iPhone in the past and it was smooth. It just confuses me how 1ghz can lag on a mobile os. I guess this rant is to ask how do I smooth the edges. I've tried many roms and some were better than others. One major thing I want is when I unlock it, when I slide homescreen, and when I open the app drawer to be smooth. Any ideas settings roms?
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delete all your apps, turn off all services, and it will run just like the iphone. kill every app after you use it. - that's what the iphone does.
You can tweak the internal task killer to speed up your phone. It takes some work and testing. This thread has the directions and explanations.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622666
Geo411m's ROM has these tweaks built in and they work really well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7008637&highlight=internal+task+killer#post7008637
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You can tweak the internal task killer to speed up your phone. It takes some work and testing. This thread has the directions and explanations.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622666
Geo411m's ROM has these tweaks built in and they work really well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7008637&highlight=internal+task+killer#post7008637
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This has been useless since Froyo. As I once researched and posted, Froyo kills the processes much earlier than Eclair (OOM=12 instead of 16) and considering the amount of memory on Nexus - you never get anywhere below 100MB free unless you run a super-heavy app, and those never stay in background.
Now these tweaks don't do a thing.
does power mean smoothness? I just don't get the concept of having a fast processor and not being smooth. I mean it is almost the same speed as my netbook... on a phone. It seems like that should be smooth. Maybe I'm asking for to much. But another thing I have seen videos of people on cyanogen and it is running smoothly with a live wallpaper. I have never got cyanogen to run smoothly for me even with a still wallpaper. Is there some magical setting everyone but me knows about?
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Read through a lot of threads, and understand that there isn't what you're looking for. You might try MIUI, people report it as smooth - never tried it personally. Also, for launcher use LauncherPro, it's smooth.
About the gigahertz stuff: CPU speed doesn't matter as much as SW does. And there is no "smoothness support" yet.
Android isn't smooth. It's powerful, though. Personally, I like the trade off.
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Power = ability to do things. Not CPU power, OS power.
Smoothness = frame rate of transitions between screens in UI. By most part, it's a result of heavy GPU utilization (which Android doesn't do stock) and programming that puts graphics as top priority (which isn't the case with Android). When CPU is made busy making beautiful graphics, it makes beautiful graphics. When it's not the main concern - it makes what it makes.
Again, you seem to be complaining about the launcher - otherwise you wouldn't bring this live wallpaper thing. So go download LauncherPro.
Folks go on about miui being smooth but personally I found it quite choppy at times, and this was most evident using the miui default launcher and comparing to say an iPhone 4, it looks very stuttery. Its better with launcherpro, but then you've lost half the reason for using it.
I am using cm6 and a theme (minimal matte fwiw ) and its very smooth and nice looking (and believe me I am very sensitive to, and loathe slow performance on a latest Gen phone).
Best compromise I've found yet on android.
I use the latest CM6 nightlies with Launcher Pro Plus and have a lot of widgets on my homescreen, smooth as butter.
I do remember the homescreen being a bit choppy when I ran 2.1 on my N1 though...
Have you messed with the performance settings? I hear that switching the performance setting to 24 instead of 34 helps. I'm not on cyanogen right now so I don't remember the exact setting but it is cyan settings then performance.
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I use the latest CM6 nightlies with Launcher Pro Plus and have a lot of widgets on my homescreen, smooth as butter.
I do remember the homescreen being a bit choppy when I ran 2.1 on my N1 though...
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Truth of the matter is, is that Android running as SMOOTH as an iPhone would be difficult, simply because the IOS operating system doesnt allow any applications to run in the background. Android has TONS of apps that run in the background, and its still smooth as hell if your running the right ROM.
In all honestly, as much as I LOVE enomther and cyan ROMS, MIUI is hands down the smoothest and fastest ROM I have ever used. Give it a shot. I promise that if you can get past the iPhonish look, you will LOVE the speed and fluidness of the ROM. I cant recommend it enough.
I have used the miui roms and they are awesome. But honestly I just feel like a sell out while running them.
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I have used the miui roms and they are awesome. But honestly I just feel like a sell out while running them.
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Lol. Why? Because it's iPhone-like? That's a pretty bad reason to not use a great rom...
Possibly I don't know. Do you suggest a bundle or do you suggest the original with langauge packs
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Original with launcher pro and language pack
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Possibly I don't know. Do you suggest a bundle or do you suggest the original with langauge packs
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The reason why even iPhone 3G's can feel "smoother" than Android phones at most times: hardware acceleration.
Ever since the 2G they've had a dedicated GPU which was used to its fullest in basic UI interactions. We see phones like the SGS with freak GPUs but Android doesn't allow full use of them.
Phandroid made that article on a supposed "Gingerbread" leak. They claim it will introduce hardware acceleration. Hopefully thats true and we'll never hear complaints about a laggy UI again!
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The reason why even iPhone 3G's can feel "smoother" than Android phones at most times: hardware acceleration.
Ever since the 2G they've had a dedicated GPU which was used to its fullest in basic UI interactions. We see phones like the SGS with freak GPUs but Android doesn't allow full use of them.
Phandroid made that article on a supposed "Gingerbread" leak. They claim it will introduce hardware acceleration. Hopefully thats true and we'll never hear complaints about a laggy UI again!
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Yup, most of the smoothness complaints is just hardware acceleration complaints. After gingerbread if it has hardware acceleration, we won't hear the laggy UI issue, we'll just hear the bandwagon "Fragmentation!"
I've finally got a smooth handset. I'm on latest cyanogen with intersect raven kernel overclocked to 1333. I'm very impressed and I'm finally enjoying this phone. Btw I'm using launcher pro to
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I wonder why my sgs ui can never be smoother than my iphone 4 ui? A any one know how to make it faster
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I wonder why my sgs ui can never be smoother than my iphone 4 ui? A any one know how to make it faster
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Zeam launcher + Universal Lagfix + tweaks + disable all animations = smooth as buttah
I own both as well. You can flash a custom ROM to the device with lots of the useless junk removed, and install a lag fix. Start with the FAQs on this site if you haven't already.
I must say though, I have never been so torn between two devices. I love the iPhone 4s stability and application quality. On the other hand, the SGS satisfies my primal need to mod and hack things. I also prefer the weight of the sgs. iPhone is a bit too heavy and fragile for my liking.
just install a custom ROM for your corresponding firmware and voodoo lagfix. done.
smooth and fast.
no need for taskkillers either.
The only thing that is (still) better on the iThing is the browser.
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It its smooth because iOS implements hardware acceleration. It uses the graphics chip to render the animations, which makes everything seamless and smooth. This is easy because iOS is designed completely around around the iPhone. Android was designed for use in hundreds of devices with different hardware, so it does not use hardware acceleration (yet).
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It its smooth because iOS implements hardware acceleration. It uses the graphics chip to render the animations, which makes everything seamless and smooth. This is easy because iOS is designed completely around around the iPhone. Android was designed for use in hundreds of devices with different hardware, so it does not use hardware acceleration (yet).
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Well that is not the case completely. TouchWiz was indeed optimized for our graphics chip, however, without a lagfix, the access to the data is too slow and in froyo, the touchwiz launcher is too directly ported from the galaxy tab which causes our device to first render everything in 1024x600 and then scale down to 800x480 which costs a lot more resources than just rendering 800x480 or 960x640 (as on the iPhone). With the right mods, all this is corrected and you will find your SGS just as smooth as an iPhone 4. However all this requires a lot of reading and a significant amount of patience...
But It's definitely worth the reward.
Or we could wait for a:
-stable
-responsive-
-good battery life
-high performance (in addition to responsive)
-with all functions working
-with the original applications (Google and Samsung Apps)
-with the haptics
-long key press actions (menu/search, home/running apps, back/forceclose)
-sudo/root available
-apps2sd
-fully consistent user interface (with landscape mode)
build of the MIUI ROM
*drools...
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Or we could wait for a:
-stable
-responsive-
-good battery life
-high performance (in addition to responsive)
-with all functions working
-with the original applications (Google and Samsung Apps)
-with the haptics
-long key press actions (menu/search, home/running apps, back/forceclose)
-sudo/root available
-apps2sd
-fully consistent user interface (with landscape mode)
build of the MIUI ROM
*drools...
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Or we all could start mass complaint/class action against Samsung
This phone has been heavily advitised but does not work out of the box.
I received 1 offical update via Kies just after launch, phone went from totaly useless to usable to a degree. I updated to Froyo via reg hack and phone is better but still lags. GPS is still out. Battery life is still crap. Browsing crap, WiFi crap. Both were good on Eclair
Thats funny. Is there any device where someone hasnt brought up class action? Its like suing dodge cause they advertsed the 69 charger had big engine..but suspension and drag stunk... You could wait for the test drive results and dont buy one...unless you just think you have a right to have samsung make something better. i like mine. I also like finding improvements..sure.
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Well that is not the case completely. TouchWiz was indeed optimized for our graphics chip, however, without a lagfix, the access to the data is too slow and in froyo, the touchwiz launcher is too directly ported from the galaxy tab which causes our device to first render everything in 1024x600 and then scale down to 800x480 which costs a lot more resources than just rendering 800x480 or 960x640 (as on the iPhone). With the right mods, all this is corrected and you will find your SGS just as smooth as an iPhone 4. However all this requires a lot of reading and a significant amount of patience...
But It's definitely worth the reward.
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I was going to question this and ask whether you were joking, but then I remembered this is Samsung, so it's probably true...
It's pretty tragic if that is what they're doing.
I think this is the same rant I see in all the posts about sgs, no point repeating in all the posts.
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I am using launcher pro and so far, super satisfied with it. I am on stock JP6 Froyo and no Voodoo but still smooth as butter. I am amazed, I didn't turn off any effects.
Side by side to an iPhone 4, no problem beating the smooth game although iPhone seems more consistent. At some point though, launching apps or swiping from left to right seems faster on the SGS. No kidding.
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I was going to question this and ask whether you were joking, but then I remembered this is Samsung, so it's probably true...
It's pretty tragic if that is what they're doing.
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Check this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=817466
oohh... I see... so which custom firmware with froyo do you guys recommend for me as Im using a singapore singtel handset... Thank you
oh btw will I be able to do the flashing using linux? or it had to be windows? thanks
I've noticed that alot of people report Bugs from it and battery drain issues so should I wait or go for it?
battery has never been better XD
Some people is correct. For me the battery is so much better than it was on v 20A, not sure how it compares to ICS tho, but definitely better than stock JB.
Overall I really love the stock ANDROID look and feel rather than a skin like Optimus UI or Touchwiz, don't get me wrong Optimus UI is pretty good and functional but I still like google's android look a lot better.
it's just a matter of preference.
Performance wise, its on par with the stock JB rom, cept maybe a bit more lag in the UI since it is an early version. Camera tho is a ton better and unlike LG, CM post updates every night, hence the rom name...Nightly.
I found no critical bugs when using the default kernel. Eternity project kernel gave me some issues. Gaming is slightly worse but as the ROM improves and eternity project completes his kernel its going to be great!
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You should flash !
I owned a T705, it was my phone and tablet, i loved it.
However, the camera was bad, and the whole Interface was very jittery.
I understand that this device is not getting updates from Samsung, but man, i sure miss the screen real state, also beautiful.
Have lollipop custom roms reached a state where they improve over samsungs touchwiz performance?
I am considering it, alas i read that a new Tab S might be coming.
Thanks.
We have unofficial build of cm12 and its very stable. Way better than touchwiz too. Its still being worked on so its not perfect. CM11 is great on it also. Both do improve performance over touchwiz. There is also a new tab s coming soon but that always expected from samsung. Up to you
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We have unofficial build of cm12 and its very stable. Way better than touchwiz too. Its still being worked on so its not perfect. CM11 is great on it also. Both do improve performance over touchwiz. There is also a new tab s coming soon but that always expected from samsung. Up to you
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How is the battery life of the cm12?
This is what I got. I measured screen on times and standby times and this is what i got. This is from the T800 so you may get less because of lte and other stuff
Well, one of the problems if you own a T-705 is that under CM you will lose the phone features (CM 11 and 12 are for the T-700 only). I suggest that you try IronRom instead: definitely smoother than stock.
One rumor we heard is that the next generation flagship tablet will have a 4:3 screen ratio and a 64-bit processor, but it won't be coming until the end of year or late summer at the least. My preference is to have a 16:10 screen on my tab s.
I'd like a 4:3 personally since I do way more reading on my tablet than anything else. 16:10 is better for watching videos, but that's what I have my TV for
I don't have the money to upgrade so soon though
Thank you all for your Input.
My question is, with say, IronRom, is the performance improvement noticeable?
I found The Tab S beautiful, but very choppy overall, maybe the processor wasnt optimized for 2k, even with some custom ROMs (i used Selamba mostly back in the day) the performance of the UI was very below par, however, applications ran well enough, this led me to believe that it might have been touchwiz and not the hardware itself.
Thank you.
Satorikn said:
Thank you all for your Input.
My question is, with say, IronRom, is the performance improvement noticeable?
I found The Tab S beautiful, but very choppy overall, maybe the processor wasnt optimized for 2k, even with some custom ROMs (i used Selamba mostly back in the day) the performance of the UI was very below par, however, applications ran well enough, this led me to believe that it might have been touchwiz and not the hardware itself.
Thank you.
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Iron rom is great. No lag in touchwiz and even with the stock touchwiz launcher, its all smooth. Battery life and performance is great on it too.
DUHAsianSKILLZ said:
Iron rom is great. No lag in touchwiz and even with the stock touchwiz launcher, its all smooth. Battery life and performance is great on it too.
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I wish there was a video on how it works on the user interface, i currently own a OnePlus one and have the chance to sell it, i miss the size of a tablet, but i dont want to regret getting it and find out the stutter is still there, there are rumors that it will be getting Lollipop soon too (Tab S), and maybe those optimizations will make the difference.
Thanks again.
Satorikn said:
I wish there was a video on how it works on the user interface, i currently own a OnePlus one and have the chance to sell it, i miss the size of a tablet, but i dont want to regret getting it and find out the stutter is still there, there are rumors that it will be getting Lollipop soon too (Tab S), and maybe those optimizations will make the difference.
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Lollipop is coming in march/april (sammobile confirmed/estimate). I couldnt find a video on the performance
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Lollipop is coming in march/april (sammobile confirmed/estimate). I couldnt find a video on the performance
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I was planning to get the T-705 because i dont like carrying two devices around, thats the thing with CM11/12, they dont support calls, so id have to go with IronRom with is pretty much touchwiz, and while it may have optimizations, i dont expect miracles
Satorikn said:
I owned a T705, it was my phone and tablet, i loved it.
I understand that this device is not getting updates from Samsung
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Wait. WHAT??
No, they are updating it, but official updates stopped at 4.4.2, now we have news that they will update it to Lollipop, but after release, there was no continuous updates as with their other devices, and for some people, it was a good sign that samsung just abandoned the device, that's what i meant.
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Iron rom is great. No lag in touchwiz and even with the stock touchwiz launcher, its all smooth. Battery life and performance is great on it too.
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Come on guys, which part of the stock GUI or launcher is actually choppy? Where is the mythical lag? Haven't seen it myself.
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Come on guys, which part of the stock GUI or launcher is actually choppy? Where is the mythical lag? Haven't seen it myself.
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The part where its choppy on stock firmware is just scrolling through the launcher. It lags when just scrolling through the launcher and switching between some apps (ex clash of clans). Iron rom has none of that. Sometimes the GUI lags when you have too many apps open and it uses all the ram. Example like 16 games open all at once. It can freeze and force a reboot. GUI doesnt lag that much like the launcher. Hope this helps!
DUHAsianSKILLZ said:
The part where its choppy on stock firmware is just scrolling through the launcher. It lags when just scrolling through the launcher and switching between some apps (ex clash of clans). Iron rom has none of that. Sometimes the GUI lags when you have too many apps open and it uses all the ram. Example like 16 games open all at once. It can freeze and force a reboot. GUI doesnt lag that much like the launcher. Hope this helps!
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I am not sure which part of scrolling through launcher is supposed to give lag. I have three screens worth of application icons in the app launcher and I had no problems with those. As for having 16 games open, I don't see how that represents typical usage.
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I am not sure which part of scrolling through launcher is supposed to give lag. I have three screens worth of application icons in the app launcher and I had no problems with those. As for having 16 games open, I don't see how that represents typical usage.
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Lol yeah. If your a typical user, 4-6 apps open or less, it can handle it. 16 apps open would be a user who stresses the cpu and gpu.
Well, in my experience there is some lag basically everywhere with the stock ROM, not only in the launcher. Loading pages and scrolling is also slightly choppy in any browser, and also in applications that use WebView components.
I wouldn't rate this as very evident, especially because the CPU has plenty of cores, but it is there.
With IronRom + SkyHigh kernel + Nova Launcher + things get smoothened just that small bit that makes everything feel right
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Well, in my experience there is some lag basically everywhere with the stock ROM, not only in the launcher. Loading pages and scrolling is also slightly choppy in any browser, and also in applications that use WebView components.
I wouldn't rate this as very evident, especially because the CPU has plenty of cores, but it is there.
With IronRom + SkyHigh kernel + Nova Launcher + things get smoothened just that small bit that makes everything feel right
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My main problem with the 705 is the poor battery life. Does IronRom improve this?
Hey guys. I usually wouldnt have made a thread like this, but honestly, i am getting tired trying rom after rom to find the one that works. I am the sort of guy who switches phones pretty often because i like what Devs at XDA are able to do to customize them. So i have recently started using higher end phones, and coming from mid-rangers i expected awesome performance and lag free experience. My last device was a one plus 2. After switching to mi5(which has a better processor), i have been experiencing lag spikes with rom. None of them work perfectly smooth, I would go to the depth of saying that my old Nexus 5 provides much smoother experience compared to this. Surprisingly, this is not the case with miui. The stock Miui rom aswell as my current rom(cpMIUI) are both super smooth(as is expected out of a sd820). I am stock android guy though, also google camera port doesnt work on miui. I just wanted to confirm if it was just my unit or is everyone facing similar issues. Buying a sd820, i dont expect something as simple as pulling down the notification bar to be laggy. Also. this issue is more prominent with Lineage OS and Lineage OS based roms. I found AOSP rooms to be generally smoother, but still, laggy enough to notice. This really wasnt the case with OP2, and i honestly wouldnt have switched if it wasnt for the amazing camera of Mi5(only with GcamMod ). Any help would be much appreciated. PS: I have tried custom kernels, even those which overclock this sd820 to normal frequencies. But no luck . I really dont have the budget to switch phones rn, and i would like to stick to mi5. Hope someone can help.
aditya1999 said:
Hey guys. I usually wouldnt have made a thread like this, but honestly, i am getting tired trying rom after rom to find the one that works. I am the sort of guy who switches phones pretty often because i like what Devs at XDA are able to do to customize them. So i have recently started using higher end phones, and coming from mid-rangers i expected awesome performance and lag free experience. My last device was a one plus 2. After switching to mi5(which has a better processor), i have been experiencing lag spikes with rom. None of them work perfectly smooth, I would go to the depth of saying that my old Nexus 5 provides much smoother experience compared to this. Surprisingly, this is not the case with miui. The stock Miui rom aswell as my current rom(cpMIUI) are both super smooth(as is expected out of a sd820). I am stock android guy though, also google camera port doesnt work on miui. I just wanted to confirm if it was just my unit or is everyone facing similar issues. Buying a sd820, i dont expect something as simple as pulling down the notification bar to be laggy. Also. this issue is more prominent with Lineage OS and Lineage OS based roms. I found AOSP rooms to be generally smoother, but still, laggy enough to notice. This really wasnt the case with OP2, and i honestly wouldnt have switched if it wasnt for the amazing camera of Mi5(only with GcamMod ). Any help would be much appreciated. PS: I have tried custom kernels, even those which overclock this sd820 to normal frequencies. But no luck . I really dont have the budget to switch phones rn, and i would like to stick to mi5. Hope someone can help.
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Mi devices works better with MIUI... That's just the way it is. Custom rom experience on Mi can't compare with the likes of Oneplus, Nexus, or maybe Pixel...
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u can install Gcam in miui just use magisk to root and add camera fix module
Gcam will work in miui9
am using los15.1 and most of the apps freezed now its smooth and giving good battery life
All lags, freezes and scroll stutters caused by kernel. All oreo kernels based on HMP scheduling with perf daemon. And don't know why, but it cant provide smooth FPS while ui drawing (maybe some bug with frequency drops). So, 90% roms based on Oreo will lag while drawing UI all time (you can check it in dev settings > Profile GPU Rendering). Some roms trying to avoid this bug, like LOS, AEXMod with some tweaks in governor. This 2 roms much smoother than other. Or you can change default governor from Interactive to Conservative (root required). It brings massive boost on ui drawing smoothness. Or try something based on EAS kernels (Purefusion, JDC AOSP). But these roms based on 8.0 Oreo.
StealthHD said:
All lags, freezes and scroll stutters caused by kernel. All oreo kernels based on HMP scheduling with perf daemon. And don't know why, but it cant provide smooth FPS while ui drawing (maybe some bug with frequency drops). So, 90% roms based on Oreo will lag while drawing UI all time (you can check it in dev settings > Profile GPU Rendering). Some roms trying to avoid this bug, like LOS, AEXMod with some tweaks in governor. This 2 roms much smoother than other. Or you can change default governor from Interactive to Conservative (root required). It brings massive boost on ui drawing smoothness. r try something based on EAS kernels (Purefusion, JDC AOSP). But these roms based on 8.0 Oreo.
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Thanks for a constructive reply. I am not using LOS because of the fingerprint delay bug, also i found LOS to be the laggiest of them all. But i recently installed Cosmic os 8.1, and this one seems to be rendering fine. It is using the priima kernel i suppose, with interactive governors and cfq for io scheduling. Also, i just checked, it has oc'ed the sd820 to normal frequencies (2.15 and .16)
Also, i have tried Floppy kernel, based on all 3, Google, linaro and ubertc. Also, i tried switching the governor to zen(the one i am aware of thats made to make your ui smoother). This issue is not only persistent with oreo roms, but also the nougat roms. But i have been happy and impressed by cosmic, but i will keep on switching roms and hopefully would be able to provide some feedback to the XDA community.
vaisakmct said:
u can install Gcam in miui just use magisk to root and add camera fix module
Gcam will work in miui9
am using los15.1 and most of the apps freezed now its smooth and giving good battery life
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I will try that one. Can you link me to the module thread?
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Hey guys. I usually wouldnt have made a thread like this, but honestly, i am getting tired trying rom after rom to find the one that works. I am the sort of guy who switches phones pretty often because i like what Devs at XDA are able to do to customize them. So i have recently started using higher end phones, and coming from mid-rangers i expected awesome performance and lag free experience. My last device was a one plus 2. After switching to mi5(which has a better processor), i have been experiencing lag spikes with rom. None of them work perfectly smooth, I would go to the depth of saying that my old Nexus 5 provides much smoother experience compared to this. Surprisingly, this is not the case with miui. The stock Miui rom aswell as my current rom(cpMIUI) are both super smooth(as is expected out of a sd820). I am stock android guy though, also google camera port doesnt work on miui. I just wanted to confirm if it was just my unit or is everyone facing similar issues. Buying a sd820, i dont expect something as simple as pulling down the notification bar to be laggy. Also. this issue is more prominent with Lineage OS and Lineage OS based roms. I found AOSP rooms to be generally smoother, but still, laggy enough to notice. This really wasnt the case with OP2, and i honestly wouldnt have switched if it wasnt for the amazing camera of Mi5(only with GcamMod ). Any help would be much appreciated. PS: I have tried custom kernels, even those which overclock this sd820 to normal frequencies. But no luck . I really dont have the budget to switch phones rn, and i would like to stick to mi5. Hope someone can help.
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Absolutely yes! People were blaming me also for using antutu, because I had this doubt, then discovered that the kernel uses a strange sort of cpu scheduler which causes a performance drop of 20/25%, (still can't fix switching performance profile) results were different switching to a custom kernel. I think that people when create new roms they just steal LOS kernel, so that's why this issue occurs in more than one rom.
Anyway I also prefer the stock android camera, and I like to use the "classic" way instead of magisk thing (never liked that), just download GCam, then remove in the framework folder the camera_experimental.jar (or something called like that) and you should be fine, there are some little bugs too but is is usable.
lukypuie said:
Absolutely yes! People were blaming me also for using antutu, because I had this doubt, then discovered that the kernel uses a strange sort of cpu scheduler which causes a performance drop of 20/25%, (still can't fix switching performance profile) results were different switching to a custom kernel. I think that people when create new roms they just steal LOS kernel, so that's why this issue occurs in more than one rom.
Anyway I also prefer the stock android camera, and I like to use the "classic" way instead of magisk thing (never liked that), just download GCam, then remove in the framework folder the camera_experimental.jar (or something called like that) and you should be fine, there are some little bugs too but is is usable.
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So which kernel are you using rn? Cosmic OS comes with the priima kernel, it is the best experience i have had by far. Glad to know i am not the only one suffering stutters, but also kinda disappointed to see this happen.
aditya1999 said:
So which kernel are you using rn? Cosmic OS comes with the priima kernel, it is the best experience i have had by far. Glad to know i am not the only one suffering stutters, but also kinda disappointed to see this happen.
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Yea, me too, and there were people who treated me like crazy lmao, imo is a kernel scheduler issue, btw Idk why that happens , anyway there are plenty of custom kernels, in particular I used Floppy which fixes the problem.(Still need to tweak some kernel governor settings)
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Yea, me too, and there were people who treated me like crazy lmao, imo is a kernel scheduler issue, btw Idk why that happens , anyway there are plenty of custom kernels, in particular I used Floppy which fixes the problem.(Still need to tweak some kernel governor settings)
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Aye i tried floppy. Didnt quite work for me. Regardless, priima is working fine. I am thinking of switching to other roms. Will try the floppy again, thanks for the advice.
aditya1999 said:
Aye i tried floppy. Didnt quite work for me. Regardless, priima is working fine. I am thinking of switching to other roms. Will try the floppy again, thanks for the advice.
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When i said it needs some tweaks, that is because it works in a strange way, the performance profile in the "Battery" section of LOS needs to be set to something higher, that controls the CPU, meanwhile there I also used an app called "Spectrum" that lets you control the GPU performance profile (Even though it should be control CPU), you need to set all of those to "Balanced"
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When i said it needs some tweaks, that is because it works in a strange way, the performance profile in the "Battery" section of LOS needs to be set to something higher, that controls the CPU, meanwhile there I also used an app called "Spectrum" that lets you control the GPU performance profile (Even though it should be control CPU), you need to set all of those to "Balanced"
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Interesting. I am busy this weekend, but i will surely test this one after i come back.
Yes
aditya1999 said:
Hey guys. I usually wouldnt have made a thread like this, but honestly, i am getting tired trying rom after rom to find the one that works. I am the sort of guy who switches phones pretty often because i like what Devs at XDA are able to do to customize them. So i have recently started using higher end phones, and coming from mid-rangers i expected awesome performance and lag free experience. My last device was a one plus 2. After switching to mi5(which has a better processor), i have been experiencing lag spikes with rom. None of them work perfectly smooth, I would go to the depth of saying that my old Nexus 5 provides much smoother experience compared to this. Surprisingly, this is not the case with miui. The stock Miui rom aswell as my current rom(cpMIUI) are both super smooth(as is expected out of a sd820). I am stock android guy though, also google camera port doesnt work on miui. I just wanted to confirm if it was just my unit or is everyone facing similar issues. Buying a sd820, i dont expect something as simple as pulling down the notification bar to be laggy. Also. this issue is more prominent with Lineage OS and Lineage OS based roms. I found AOSP rooms to be generally smoother, but still, laggy enough to notice. This really wasnt the case with OP2, and i honestly wouldnt have switched if it wasnt for the amazing camera of Mi5(only with GcamMod ). Any help would be much appreciated. PS: I have tried custom kernels, even those which overclock this sd820 to normal frequencies. But no luck . I really dont have the budget to switch phones rn, and i would like to stick to mi5. Hope someone can help.
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Hello, I have the same problem. My MI 5 only works on miui. Any other newer rom with android Oreo brings me problems, slow looks like snapdragon 4xx. Game performance gets horrible. But they are only in the most recent roms, because in the stable JDC Team 7.1.2 rom it behaves absurdly fluid and fast, in Lineage 14.1 as well. I do not know what causes this but I can not use any more Oreo roms. I prefer Pure Android but can not use the new roms at the moment, I should settle for the nougat or miui roms. Well, I'm not saying that the new roms are bad, the work of the developers is wonderful, congratulations to everyone, but something in the new roms does not behave well.
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Hello, I have the same problem. My MI 5 only works on miui. Any other newer rom with android Oreo brings me problems, slow looks like snapdragon 4xx. Game performance gets horrible. But they are only in the most recent roms, because in the stable JDC Team 7.1.2 rom it behaves absurdly fluid and fast, in Lineage 14.1 as well. I do not know what causes this but I can not use any more Oreo roms. I prefer Pure Android but can not use the new roms at the moment, I should settle for the nougat or miui roms. Well, I'm not saying that the new roms are bad, the work of the developers is wonderful, congratulations to everyone, but something in the new roms does not behave well.
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Try the cosmic os. It seems to be working amazingly well. Also Los never worked for me, full of stutters and the ofc the fingerprint delay on lockscreen issue. Also yeah, jdc aosp should work, in my experiments, all AOSP based roms are working fine, there is some issue with Los kernel, and hence with all roms based off of it.