Hey guys. I usually wouldnt have made a thread like this, but honestly, i am getting tired trying rom after rom to find the one that works. I am the sort of guy who switches phones pretty often because i like what Devs at XDA are able to do to customize them. So i have recently started using higher end phones, and coming from mid-rangers i expected awesome performance and lag free experience. My last device was a one plus 2. After switching to mi5(which has a better processor), i have been experiencing lag spikes with rom. None of them work perfectly smooth, I would go to the depth of saying that my old Nexus 5 provides much smoother experience compared to this. Surprisingly, this is not the case with miui. The stock Miui rom aswell as my current rom(cpMIUI) are both super smooth(as is expected out of a sd820). I am stock android guy though, also google camera port doesnt work on miui. I just wanted to confirm if it was just my unit or is everyone facing similar issues. Buying a sd820, i dont expect something as simple as pulling down the notification bar to be laggy. Also. this issue is more prominent with Lineage OS and Lineage OS based roms. I found AOSP rooms to be generally smoother, but still, laggy enough to notice. This really wasnt the case with OP2, and i honestly wouldnt have switched if it wasnt for the amazing camera of Mi5(only with GcamMod ). Any help would be much appreciated. PS: I have tried custom kernels, even those which overclock this sd820 to normal frequencies. But no luck . I really dont have the budget to switch phones rn, and i would like to stick to mi5. Hope someone can help.
aditya1999 said:
Hey guys. I usually wouldnt have made a thread like this, but honestly, i am getting tired trying rom after rom to find the one that works. I am the sort of guy who switches phones pretty often because i like what Devs at XDA are able to do to customize them. So i have recently started using higher end phones, and coming from mid-rangers i expected awesome performance and lag free experience. My last device was a one plus 2. After switching to mi5(which has a better processor), i have been experiencing lag spikes with rom. None of them work perfectly smooth, I would go to the depth of saying that my old Nexus 5 provides much smoother experience compared to this. Surprisingly, this is not the case with miui. The stock Miui rom aswell as my current rom(cpMIUI) are both super smooth(as is expected out of a sd820). I am stock android guy though, also google camera port doesnt work on miui. I just wanted to confirm if it was just my unit or is everyone facing similar issues. Buying a sd820, i dont expect something as simple as pulling down the notification bar to be laggy. Also. this issue is more prominent with Lineage OS and Lineage OS based roms. I found AOSP rooms to be generally smoother, but still, laggy enough to notice. This really wasnt the case with OP2, and i honestly wouldnt have switched if it wasnt for the amazing camera of Mi5(only with GcamMod ). Any help would be much appreciated. PS: I have tried custom kernels, even those which overclock this sd820 to normal frequencies. But no luck . I really dont have the budget to switch phones rn, and i would like to stick to mi5. Hope someone can help.
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Mi devices works better with MIUI... That's just the way it is. Custom rom experience on Mi can't compare with the likes of Oneplus, Nexus, or maybe Pixel...
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u can install Gcam in miui just use magisk to root and add camera fix module
Gcam will work in miui9
am using los15.1 and most of the apps freezed now its smooth and giving good battery life
All lags, freezes and scroll stutters caused by kernel. All oreo kernels based on HMP scheduling with perf daemon. And don't know why, but it cant provide smooth FPS while ui drawing (maybe some bug with frequency drops). So, 90% roms based on Oreo will lag while drawing UI all time (you can check it in dev settings > Profile GPU Rendering). Some roms trying to avoid this bug, like LOS, AEXMod with some tweaks in governor. This 2 roms much smoother than other. Or you can change default governor from Interactive to Conservative (root required). It brings massive boost on ui drawing smoothness. Or try something based on EAS kernels (Purefusion, JDC AOSP). But these roms based on 8.0 Oreo.
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All lags, freezes and scroll stutters caused by kernel. All oreo kernels based on HMP scheduling with perf daemon. And don't know why, but it cant provide smooth FPS while ui drawing (maybe some bug with frequency drops). So, 90% roms based on Oreo will lag while drawing UI all time (you can check it in dev settings > Profile GPU Rendering). Some roms trying to avoid this bug, like LOS, AEXMod with some tweaks in governor. This 2 roms much smoother than other. Or you can change default governor from Interactive to Conservative (root required). It brings massive boost on ui drawing smoothness. r try something based on EAS kernels (Purefusion, JDC AOSP). But these roms based on 8.0 Oreo.
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Thanks for a constructive reply. I am not using LOS because of the fingerprint delay bug, also i found LOS to be the laggiest of them all. But i recently installed Cosmic os 8.1, and this one seems to be rendering fine. It is using the priima kernel i suppose, with interactive governors and cfq for io scheduling. Also, i just checked, it has oc'ed the sd820 to normal frequencies (2.15 and .16)
Also, i have tried Floppy kernel, based on all 3, Google, linaro and ubertc. Also, i tried switching the governor to zen(the one i am aware of thats made to make your ui smoother). This issue is not only persistent with oreo roms, but also the nougat roms. But i have been happy and impressed by cosmic, but i will keep on switching roms and hopefully would be able to provide some feedback to the XDA community.
vaisakmct said:
u can install Gcam in miui just use magisk to root and add camera fix module
Gcam will work in miui9
am using los15.1 and most of the apps freezed now its smooth and giving good battery life
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I will try that one. Can you link me to the module thread?
aditya1999 said:
Hey guys. I usually wouldnt have made a thread like this, but honestly, i am getting tired trying rom after rom to find the one that works. I am the sort of guy who switches phones pretty often because i like what Devs at XDA are able to do to customize them. So i have recently started using higher end phones, and coming from mid-rangers i expected awesome performance and lag free experience. My last device was a one plus 2. After switching to mi5(which has a better processor), i have been experiencing lag spikes with rom. None of them work perfectly smooth, I would go to the depth of saying that my old Nexus 5 provides much smoother experience compared to this. Surprisingly, this is not the case with miui. The stock Miui rom aswell as my current rom(cpMIUI) are both super smooth(as is expected out of a sd820). I am stock android guy though, also google camera port doesnt work on miui. I just wanted to confirm if it was just my unit or is everyone facing similar issues. Buying a sd820, i dont expect something as simple as pulling down the notification bar to be laggy. Also. this issue is more prominent with Lineage OS and Lineage OS based roms. I found AOSP rooms to be generally smoother, but still, laggy enough to notice. This really wasnt the case with OP2, and i honestly wouldnt have switched if it wasnt for the amazing camera of Mi5(only with GcamMod ). Any help would be much appreciated. PS: I have tried custom kernels, even those which overclock this sd820 to normal frequencies. But no luck . I really dont have the budget to switch phones rn, and i would like to stick to mi5. Hope someone can help.
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Absolutely yes! People were blaming me also for using antutu, because I had this doubt, then discovered that the kernel uses a strange sort of cpu scheduler which causes a performance drop of 20/25%, (still can't fix switching performance profile) results were different switching to a custom kernel. I think that people when create new roms they just steal LOS kernel, so that's why this issue occurs in more than one rom.
Anyway I also prefer the stock android camera, and I like to use the "classic" way instead of magisk thing (never liked that), just download GCam, then remove in the framework folder the camera_experimental.jar (or something called like that) and you should be fine, there are some little bugs too but is is usable.
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Absolutely yes! People were blaming me also for using antutu, because I had this doubt, then discovered that the kernel uses a strange sort of cpu scheduler which causes a performance drop of 20/25%, (still can't fix switching performance profile) results were different switching to a custom kernel. I think that people when create new roms they just steal LOS kernel, so that's why this issue occurs in more than one rom.
Anyway I also prefer the stock android camera, and I like to use the "classic" way instead of magisk thing (never liked that), just download GCam, then remove in the framework folder the camera_experimental.jar (or something called like that) and you should be fine, there are some little bugs too but is is usable.
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So which kernel are you using rn? Cosmic OS comes with the priima kernel, it is the best experience i have had by far. Glad to know i am not the only one suffering stutters, but also kinda disappointed to see this happen.
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So which kernel are you using rn? Cosmic OS comes with the priima kernel, it is the best experience i have had by far. Glad to know i am not the only one suffering stutters, but also kinda disappointed to see this happen.
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Yea, me too, and there were people who treated me like crazy lmao, imo is a kernel scheduler issue, btw Idk why that happens , anyway there are plenty of custom kernels, in particular I used Floppy which fixes the problem.(Still need to tweak some kernel governor settings)
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Yea, me too, and there were people who treated me like crazy lmao, imo is a kernel scheduler issue, btw Idk why that happens , anyway there are plenty of custom kernels, in particular I used Floppy which fixes the problem.(Still need to tweak some kernel governor settings)
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Aye i tried floppy. Didnt quite work for me. Regardless, priima is working fine. I am thinking of switching to other roms. Will try the floppy again, thanks for the advice.
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Aye i tried floppy. Didnt quite work for me. Regardless, priima is working fine. I am thinking of switching to other roms. Will try the floppy again, thanks for the advice.
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When i said it needs some tweaks, that is because it works in a strange way, the performance profile in the "Battery" section of LOS needs to be set to something higher, that controls the CPU, meanwhile there I also used an app called "Spectrum" that lets you control the GPU performance profile (Even though it should be control CPU), you need to set all of those to "Balanced"
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When i said it needs some tweaks, that is because it works in a strange way, the performance profile in the "Battery" section of LOS needs to be set to something higher, that controls the CPU, meanwhile there I also used an app called "Spectrum" that lets you control the GPU performance profile (Even though it should be control CPU), you need to set all of those to "Balanced"
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Interesting. I am busy this weekend, but i will surely test this one after i come back.
Yes
aditya1999 said:
Hey guys. I usually wouldnt have made a thread like this, but honestly, i am getting tired trying rom after rom to find the one that works. I am the sort of guy who switches phones pretty often because i like what Devs at XDA are able to do to customize them. So i have recently started using higher end phones, and coming from mid-rangers i expected awesome performance and lag free experience. My last device was a one plus 2. After switching to mi5(which has a better processor), i have been experiencing lag spikes with rom. None of them work perfectly smooth, I would go to the depth of saying that my old Nexus 5 provides much smoother experience compared to this. Surprisingly, this is not the case with miui. The stock Miui rom aswell as my current rom(cpMIUI) are both super smooth(as is expected out of a sd820). I am stock android guy though, also google camera port doesnt work on miui. I just wanted to confirm if it was just my unit or is everyone facing similar issues. Buying a sd820, i dont expect something as simple as pulling down the notification bar to be laggy. Also. this issue is more prominent with Lineage OS and Lineage OS based roms. I found AOSP rooms to be generally smoother, but still, laggy enough to notice. This really wasnt the case with OP2, and i honestly wouldnt have switched if it wasnt for the amazing camera of Mi5(only with GcamMod ). Any help would be much appreciated. PS: I have tried custom kernels, even those which overclock this sd820 to normal frequencies. But no luck . I really dont have the budget to switch phones rn, and i would like to stick to mi5. Hope someone can help.
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Hello, I have the same problem. My MI 5 only works on miui. Any other newer rom with android Oreo brings me problems, slow looks like snapdragon 4xx. Game performance gets horrible. But they are only in the most recent roms, because in the stable JDC Team 7.1.2 rom it behaves absurdly fluid and fast, in Lineage 14.1 as well. I do not know what causes this but I can not use any more Oreo roms. I prefer Pure Android but can not use the new roms at the moment, I should settle for the nougat or miui roms. Well, I'm not saying that the new roms are bad, the work of the developers is wonderful, congratulations to everyone, but something in the new roms does not behave well.
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Hello, I have the same problem. My MI 5 only works on miui. Any other newer rom with android Oreo brings me problems, slow looks like snapdragon 4xx. Game performance gets horrible. But they are only in the most recent roms, because in the stable JDC Team 7.1.2 rom it behaves absurdly fluid and fast, in Lineage 14.1 as well. I do not know what causes this but I can not use any more Oreo roms. I prefer Pure Android but can not use the new roms at the moment, I should settle for the nougat or miui roms. Well, I'm not saying that the new roms are bad, the work of the developers is wonderful, congratulations to everyone, but something in the new roms does not behave well.
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Try the cosmic os. It seems to be working amazingly well. Also Los never worked for me, full of stutters and the ofc the fingerprint delay on lockscreen issue. Also yeah, jdc aosp should work, in my experiments, all AOSP based roms are working fine, there is some issue with Los kernel, and hence with all roms based off of it.
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Since Project Butter was announced as groundbreaking for Android devices, it would be good to know what the community thinks about it as the official JB ROMs have launched.
Please provide your input as a casual user and your day-to-day experience, and also as a more techie user or a developer.
The intent is to provide Samsung, if they still lurk on XDA, feedback on how they can improve future development to make Android really smooth, even though the UI is not treated with priority, as it is on iOS.
As far as I am concerned, I didn't notice any difference from ICS to JB on a stock ROM; essentially, Project Butter doesn't exist for my device. The device still stutters where it did on ICS.
4.1.2 JB LSZ Ultimate 5.2 ROM, KSO Modem, Phil's LSZ kernel, Carrier: AT&T (US)
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As far as I am concerned, I didn't notice any difference from ICS to JB on a stock ROM; essentially, Project Butter doesn't exist for my device. The device still stutters where it did on ICS.
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I would agree with your assessment. I think that the stock JB is very stable, however there is no noticeable difference in speed compared with, say, LRQ.
When I press "contacts" or "phone" button, there is still a lag. My understanding of project butter (rightly or wrongly) was that these kind of lags are supposed to be almost eliminated.
Interestingly, when my wife's galaxy S was running slimbean 3.0, it was close to what I expected "project butter" to deliver. However I reverted her SGS back to ICS due to stability issues.
edit- I'm on LM5
edit 2 - Interesting that 90 people have viewed this thread so far, and nobody has disagreed with Incisivekeith's review. Perhaps we can conclude that "project butter" is not included in LSZ or LM5.
To my mind, Project Butter means an entirely GPU accelerated UI. That is what explain this "buttery" feeling when you drag down the notification bar, when you scroll in the browser, etc..
It is certainly activated in our JB roms, because if it was not the case, the rom would be much more laggier, and touch wiz would be the pain it has ever been since the Galaxy S.
However, I'm sure our PB is a far less efficient one than used in the nexii phones. You can easily tell, there are still some lag in the appearance of the notification bar (when opening an app, laoding something..), and the whole feeling is absolutely not like any Apple device (that I despise, of course ).
I have none of the technical skills to give a more detailed answer, but I remain amazed by the fact our devices are not free of any lag, in spite of their double core, big GPU, 1gb RAM etc...
To realize project butter you need a high speed camera. If you running heavily skinned OS has TW you will tend to see some lags. Remember Our note is almost year and half old....
Project Butter and How it Works
Galaxtus said:
To realize project butter you need a high speed camera. If you running heavily skinned OS has TW you will tend to see some lags. Remember Our note is almost year and half old....
Project Butter and How it Works
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Thanks for the link !
But we don't have the choice, i don't think any android AOSP/AOKP rom includes project butter, am I wrong ? These roms feel more laggy than any touchwiz rom, though they also feel lighter. And it's a shame (I blame samsung) because they are innovative and functionnal.
AW: Is Project Butter effective on the Galaxy Note?
As far as I understand, pb is not an acceleration for the hole system, but an acceleration for gui: no micro-lags in launcher, scrolling in Browser and apps. And it does really better, than ics for me. Just compare xda app on both systems and you'll understand what I mean
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Thanks for the link !
But we don't have the choice, i don't think any android AOSP/AOKP rom includes project butter, am I wrong ? These roms feel more laggy than any touchwiz rom, though they also feel lighter. And it's a shame (I blame samsung) because they are innovative and functionnal.
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I tend to disagree on the part which states that these AOSP/AOKP ROMs feel more laggy than TW ROMs. As of today, I run Asylum ROM 25/02 which includes major improvements concerning the overall UI experience. It is snappy and smooth. I do explicitly avoid the term "buttery smooth" as it is misleading.
They are not finished products, that's for sure-but being heavily developed. :thumbup:
Any TW ROM running 4.1.2 won't be "buttery smooth" neither, whereas the leaked 4.2.1 ROM for the S3 already showed improvement and thus where helpful to update the Mali blobs for CM10.1, which are successfully implemented. They do work nicely!
If permitted to ask: when did you last try out an AOSP/CM ROM?
Side note: if you blame Samsung, you're always right! I fully agree.
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I'd like to step in here, and this is entirely wrong: Project Butter was not included in jb for viewing in high speed cameras: it was mainly to reduce lag and stutteriness in Android to make the experience amazing for common, general public. Not for professional photographers.
Personally, when my one v is over clocked to 1.5 GHz and above ( and using a jelly bean ROM), the effect is mind blowing. I'd say the device comes near smooth as an iOS device, if not smoother. There are absolutely no lags and waits, and the device performs like a breeze.
Have you ever used a nexus device? That's the best implementation of a device blessed with project butter combined with the blessing of great developers of Google. I have not seen a nexus 4 lag ever. EVER.
Personally, I don't get what's it with galaxy note. I can't understand what's wrong with it to lag so much, I mean, sometimes it lags more than my one v which is a 1ghz single core processor ( I'm not talking about over clocking here).
I think only a professional dev can put light on this.
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AA1973 said:
I tend to disagree on the part which states that these AOSP/AOKP ROMs feel more laggy than TW ROMs. As of today, I run Asylum ROM 25/02 which includes major improvements concerning the overall UI experience. It is snappy and smooth. I do explicitly avoid the term "buttery smooth" as it is misleading.
They are not finished products, that's for sure-but being heavily developed. :thumbup:
Any TW ROM running 4.1.2 won't be "buttery smooth" neither, whereas the leaked 4.2.1 ROM already showed improvement and thus where helpful to update the Mali blobs for CM10.1, which are successfully implemented. They do work nicely!
If permitted to ask: when did you last try out an AOSP/CM ROM?
Side note: if you blame Samsung, you're always right! I fully agree.
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I totally agree with you, and the fact that an incredible amount of great work is put in AOSP roms remains undeniable. As I said, I blame Samsung, and my respect for developers is unbounded.
My last try was for beerbong's paranoid android v2.99, and I've tried almost any rom in the original dev section. Still, it's been a long time since I have tried, so i'll have a look ! Of course, there are other things that make me stick to stock, SPen integration mostly (looks like there is still no way to use palm rejection in CM roms).
Anyway, I'm glad to see JB leaks help CM developers, I thought the only workaround required kernel sources.
@soham_sss
I see I'm not the only one wondering what could prevent the note from being smooth...
For me, JB is very smooth. Don't forget, that our GNote has just that little Mali GPU which has to drive this huge 1280x800px (Macbooks of 2011 have this resolution ) screen. Based on that fact, JB is buttery smooth.
I suggest to set all animation times in the developer options of your phone to 0.5 (don't forget to reboot, to get the new speeds everywhere in the OS). It makes the Note feel much quicker and more responsive.
When you are there, also try "Force GPU rendering". Every app compiled with the 2.3 SDK has the GPU rendering flag set to off, this option forces it on. I haven't found any apps that don't like this setting and crash. Also, when you google for this, you won't find any apps neither that refuse to work.
I'm very happy with JB. It's smooth and the CPU doesn't have to render anything anymore. Nice!
As I'm thorough, I tried Asylum ROM, as advised. :silly: One thing immediately stroke me : the notification bar is not smooth. It just isn't, there's a discomfort that should not be as if it was still CPU run. And I don't think I'm picky, it's a raw feeling. The rest of the rom is, indeed, pretty snappy (the browser appear much much lighter), but I really need this element of my UI to be impeccable as it come to smoothness, just like the home screens transitions.
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For me, JB is very smooth. Don't forget, that our GNote has just that little Adreno GPU which has to drive this huge 1280x800px (Macbooks of 2011 have this resolution ) screen. Based on that fact, JB is buttery smooth.
I suggest to set all animation times in the developer options of your phone to 0.5 (don't forget to reboot, to get the new speeds everywhere in the OS). It makes the Note feel much quicker and more responsive.
When you are there, also try "Force GPU rendering". Every app compiled with the 2.3 SDK has the GPU rendering flag set to off, this option forces it on. I haven't found any apps that don't like this setting and crash. Also, when you google for this, you won't find any apps neither that refuse to work.
I'm very happy with JB. It's smooth and the CPU doesn't have to render anything anymore. Nice!
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I was not aware that the Note uses Adreno? I thought it was Mali
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As I'm thorough, I tried Asylum ROM, as advised. :silly: One thing immediately stroke me : the notification bar is not smooth. It just isn't, there's a discomfort that should not be as if it was still CPU run. And I don't think I'm picky, it's a raw feeling. The rest of the rom is, indeed, pretty snappy (the browser appear much much lighter), but I really need this element of my UI to be impeccable as it come to smoothness, just like the home screens transitions.
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+1 couldnt agree more.
Ive always had nit picks with my android devices (mainly samsung, some HTC's in the past) and have always experienced some sort of lag, with stock and custom ROMs.
But, correct me if im wrong, I believe this is down to the overlay put on by these companies, they cram the devices with ridiculous amounts of bloatware and eye candy and I feel that has an effect on the overall smoothness.
Ive yet to own a pure AOSP device (such as the nexus's) but i cant recall many people complaining about them.
But I prefer the looks of TW / Sense over AOSP (and ive tried lots of AOSP ROMs) so I accept that bit of lag for the overall look and functionality of things.
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I was not aware that the Note uses Adreno? I thought it was Mali
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Oops. I will change that. Nevertheless: That GPU just isn't the fastest anymore.
And that AOSP is faster, is just normal when you don't unbloat your phone. It's the same with every other Android phone out there. Also AOSP doesn't offer multiwindow, I bet many people aren't really aware of the technical difficulties this brings with it. And therefore this phone is very smooth.
Also try tinkering with the build.prop a little.
windowsmgr.max_events_per_sec
persist.sys.use_dithering
persist.sys.use_16bpp_alpha
can help a lot with the "lag".
But I don't have any lag, so I'm not changing anything. Another thing to maybe consider: Do you have a corrupt install?
The point of this thread is to discuss whether Project Butter is effective on the Note or not, WITHOUT any modifications.
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It isn't since AFAIK Samsung doesn't release source code for Exynos.
If those on a TW JB ROM could download and install "Epic Citadel"(preferred via WiFi as it is a 150mb package) and play the demo. I bet it won't get beyond the 40fps in high quality..
I didn't advise to install Asylum and don't quite get the point of the notification bar. As long as Samsung fails to deliver "proper+sources" we won't get the real "butter" experience.
Apparently the leaked S3 ROM based on 4.2.1 went into a better direction as some Mali blobs could be used, but close to nothing from the 4.1.2 ROMs...
@incisivekeith It may be "project better", but not project butter.
All we need is the official source code and then everyone will be happy n_n
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soham_sss said:
I'd like to step in here, and this is entirely wrong: Project Butter was not included in jb for viewing in high speed cameras: it was mainly to reduce lag and stutteriness in Android to make the experience amazing for common, general public. Not for professional photographers.
Personally, when my one v is over clocked to 1.5 GHz and above ( and using a jelly bean ROM), the effect is mind blowing. I'd say the device comes near smooth as an iOS device, if not smoother. There are absolutely no lags and waits, and the device performs like a breeze.
Have you ever used a nexus device? That's the best implementation of a device blessed with project butter combined with the blessing of great developers of Google. I have not seen a nexus 4 lag ever. EVER.
Personally, I don't get what's it with galaxy note. I can't understand what's wrong with it to lag so much, I mean, sometimes it lags more than my one v which is a 1ghz single core processor ( I'm not talking about over clocking here).
I think only a professional dev can put light on this.
Sent from my One V
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First of all this is not one v thread or an iOS speed competition. Different devices get different sources to work with. So it doesnt mean that one v is superior. I am happy that at least cm team is giving us nice smooth, fast and daily ROM. TW is for noobs. I don't care about other devices or bull**** until I choose them personally. High speed camera was just for fun...
Cheers from Hell.... :sly:
once you remove bloatedstuff, like automated test, and about 30 others, own risk, reboot, flush cache/dalvik, you will notice considerable improvement, most of the time, but yeah it still stutters sometime.
damn endless tweaking, dont forget some to disable some triggers on boot fo apps you only need on demand.
all own risk buddies
So with all the flashing around I've done on my Nexus 4, I've come to the conclusion that some ROMs seem to be fast, and smooth, and some ROMs seem to be a bit laggy at some places. The lag is more noticeable while sending messages ending with Emojis on whatsapp, while using Swiftkey. Haven't been able to figure out what makes a ROM fast or slow, but let me list what ROMs I find fast, and which ones I find slow. Maybe someone else can make some sense out of it and find the root cause? Is it toolchain? Dalvik optimizations?
P.S: This thread is not here to compare ROMs. In fact, I *really* want to use the ROMs that I've classified as slow, hence I want to get to the bottom of this. These perceptions are based on me running the ROMs on Dalvik, and not ART.
Fast/Smooth ROMs:
Simple AOSP
Vanir
Carbon ROM
Purity
Liquid Smooth
Nameless ROM
Rastakat
Slow/Laggy ROMs:
Mahdi
Slim
crDroid
Found another way to reproduce how I classify ROMs as fast and slow. In a slow ROM, do a clean flash, and when entering your wifi password, if you tap the keys really fast on google keyboard, you'll notice that it will lag, and the vibration will lag too. This lag isn't present in fast ROMs.
CM11S is smooth too
I think smoothness is decided by maby factors kernel, cpu governer freq etc. Maybe you should use same settings and maybe even same kernel to compare different roms. And same set of apps.
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I think smoothness is decided by maby factors kernel, cpu governer freq etc. Maybe you should use same settings and maybe even same kernel to compare different roms. And same set of apps.
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Yep, of course, I use the same kernel with the same settings, and the same apps
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If I may I find that some Roms have a noise while using headphones in call. I noticed in purity and cm11. Noise is gone in 4.4.4 stock unless opening hangouts (only app I tested with). I also find the call quality to be less and more dropped calls on cm11. I have been on cm11 for a while and before that purity. I haven't tested many Roms.
It has something to do with kernel mahdi s a bit slow as it s packed with features but with some simple tweaks with my favorite kernel the ROM flies.
Ls is the fastest of all though an amazing ROM.
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Slim laggy and slow... L O L
This is a very foolish and silly thread l am going to stop there
lol slim is not slow or laggy
Yeah, too bad I don't have any way to quantify slow or fast. Only place I notice it is that the keyboard gets laggy in the slow ROMs
Some ROMs by default have different animation scale settings (in developer options). Default stock is 1.0x, but I've seen some ROMs that 0.75x or 0.50x as their default. This can make certain ROMs feel faster "out of the box".
I've tried maybe 20-25 different Nexus 4 ROMs in the past few weeks, and frankly none of them have felt slow or laggy, and I've never even tried switching to ART.
Planterz said:
Some ROMs by default have different animation scale settings (in developer options). Default stock is 1.0x, but I've seen some ROMs that 0.75x or 0.50x as their default. This can make certain ROMs feel faster "out of the box".
I've tried maybe 20-25 different Nexus 4 ROMs in the past few weeks, and frankly none of them have felt slow or laggy, and I've never even tried switching to ART.
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Yep, but I always set animation scale at 1x. Also, the lag is evident in opening the recents menu, and typing on keyboard. Even on google keyboard, if you have haptic enabled, you can feel that sometimes the keys lag, and sometimes the haptic feedback lags.
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Yep, but I always set animation scale at 1x. Also, the lag is evident in opening the recents menu, and typing on keyboard. Even on google keyboard, if you have haptic enabled, you can feel that sometimes the keys lag, and sometimes the haptic feedback lags.
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Which slimkat build number did you test ? (and same questions applies for other roms)
How did you test it ? MultiRom ? Or Clean install after wiping the device ?
I personnally use Slim roms since 3.0, and didn't feel lags, especially on my Nexus 4
(it's laggy in fact on my Nexus S, but, not the same hardware !).
What a pity for a recognized contributor to provide so false informations.
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Which slimkat build number did you test ? (and same questions applies for other roms)
How did you test it ? MultiRom ? Or Clean install after wiping the device ?
I personnally use Slim roms since 3.0, and didn't feel lags, especially on my Nexus 4
(it's laggy in fact on my Nexus S, but, not the same hardware !).
What a pity for a recognized contributor to provide so false informations.
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Latest version of all ROMs. Clean installs. No multirom. I'm sorry if people can't corroborate my findings. Guess I'm far too much sensitive to lags, than most other people
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I am on latest Mahdi and experiencing the very same LAG you were talking about. Swiftkey behaves absolutely erratic.
Thought of trying to SLIMKAT. After reading the post, I am puzzled . Love many of the features of Mahdi. Been with it
for more than 6 months.
kerins said:
I am on latest Mahdi and experiencing the very same LAG you were talking about. Swiftkey behaves absolutely erratic.
Thought of trying to SLIMKAT. After reading the post, I am puzzled . Love many of the features of Mahdi. Been with it
for more than 6 months.
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You're the first person to confirm my findings
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I'm currently using the ROM in my signature. It may be placebo, but this ROM is blazing fast. If you've time, just try it before i was on Mahdi too, but as said before, it became more and more unstable
These perceptions are based on me running the ROMs on Dalvik, and not ART.
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Something you shouldn't have been doing for at least one year, TITS (that is to say) since KK was released.
True performance is on ART. If someone wants to stick with the old fart for xposed it makes sense, but one can't judge a ROM basing on keyboard responsiveness.
Anything with justArchi mod should fly
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Anything with justArchi mod should fly
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Can you list such roms?
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I have a new T-Mobile Note 4 (that I'm using on AT&T) and the phone is quite fast, but I enjoy tweaking and am planning to root the phone for Xposed and a few other things, so I was also thinking about flashing a new ROM.
I also use GearVR so I need a compatible (TouchWiz?) ROM and was thinking about FireKat.
Does it really make that big of a difference?
I'm more concerned about performance than battery life, but of course battery life is important too.
Yes, it makes a huge difference.
To go into a bit more detail for ya, yes they do help. Most of the custom roms have been de-bloated and tweaked for "power users" for lack of a better term. They have been adjusted to allow better usability and eliminate some of the useless features. Some devs (not all, be sure to do your research and read the boards) but extra effort into making their roms perform better and allow customization. Be warned though, from my experience, with more customizations and tweaks to appearance you will take a hit to performance.
Thanks very much for the help.
It seems like a lot of ROMs are tweaked for battery life and I often wonder if the performance isn't that good as a result.
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Thanks very much for the help.
It seems like a lot of ROMs are tweaked for battery life and I often wonder if the performance isn't that good as a result.
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FireKat is tweaked for both performance and battery life. My phone is 10 times faster than stock with FireKat V9 and the good battery life is a nice side effect. Make sure your follow the instructions in the first and second posts for maximum performance/battery life.
Maybe everyone can submit performance benchmarks here.
how about this, I used Nova Launcher when im not rooted but when I am rooted (like now running firekat) im on TW all the way.
Don't go by benchmarks, go by feel. Like someone said above read through the different Dev posts and in most, people have done what your talking about and posted numbers. To the original poster, FireKat is awesome. Mega does an incredible job and its definitely worth trying his efforts if you don't mind flashing. The speed difference as well as battery performance is nothing short of incredible on this device. I've tried many different ROMs and always come back to this one.
Of course your experience may vary, but that's what's so awesome is the ability to try a different ROM. Like you, I have a TMobile Note 4 on AT&T. Fortunately for us there are many talented devs for this phone which gives us many options. Give them a try and see for yourself, and trust me, you won't be disappointed.
Just do yourself a favor and don't go by benchmark numbers, and go by what you feel is the fastest and smoothest. Numbers are artificial and change so often that it's much better in my opinion to feel for yourself.
Good luck and enjoy the device man, it's awesome.
I am a power user. I have a gear vr. None of the custom ROMs support vr. I have a backup nandroid of stock ROM, whenever I want to use vr, I nandrood back to it. Daily driver is cm12.
This is my benchmark score anyway.
http://imgur.com/aMxJEac
Touch above 50k using the latest cm12 build.
This is the smoothest running ROM I've used.
Most stable is firekat for sure.
Ugh. Gear VR doesn't work on FireKat?
I've been reading the thread and it says that it would work with a custom kernel. Has anybody tried that?
yes, it's my favorite ROM so far.
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This is my benchmark score anyway.
http://imgur.com/aMxJEac
Touch above 50k using the latest cm12 build.
This is the smoothest running ROM I've used.
Most stable is firekat for sure.
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I checked ur screen shot, how are you getting lte? is there a fix on cm12?
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I checked ur screen shot, how are you getting lte? is there a fix on cm12?
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I haven't had connectivity issues like some may be experiencing.
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I have a new T-Mobile Note 4 (that I'm using on AT&T) and the phone is quite fast, but I enjoy tweaking and am planning to root the phone for Xposed and a few other things, so I was also thinking about flashing a new ROM.
I also use GearVR so I need a compatible (TouchWiz?) ROM and was thinking about FireKat.
Does it really make that big of a difference?
I'm more concerned about performance than battery life, but of course battery life is important too.
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If you want to speed up the appearance of your phone...make it snappier....go into Developer settings and reduce all animations to 0.5 or turn them off completely. It makes a big difference.
Firekat + AEL kernal = ROM bliss with VR function.
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FireKat is tweaked for both performance and battery life. My phone is 10 times faster than stock with FireKat V9 and the good battery life is a nice side effect. Make sure your follow the instructions in the first and second posts for maximum performance/battery life.
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Really ten times? Not even close to twice as fast, maybe half as fast. While Firekat and Dynamic Rom are faster than stock touchwiz......Slim roms or Cyanogenmod are the only thing that REALLY speed up the phone. Touchwiz will always be touchwiz
It's more of a speed upgrade than that. Mega has been tweaking the speed for 9 versions. He's got skills.
Do any of the ROMs speed up gaming at all?
For example, I also have an iPhone 6 Plus and several games are silky smooth on it (Galaxy On Fire 2 HD, Terraria, Shadowgun), but on the Note 4 the performance is much lower. It's not horrible, but it's nowhere near as smooth as iOS. (note: this isn't meant to disrespect Android or the Note 4, but I'm honestly wondering about the difference because I have both phones and compare them side-by-side)
I think what you may really be looking for is a custom kernel. A lot of them are in original android development. I can link you to others.
I'm testing hyperdrive rom today on this phone, however and just downloaded those games. Very zippy.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2919441
We'll pretend you didn't just admit you have an iPhone.
Hey guys
I currently own a Galaxy S8, but I seriously consider buying the Mi Mix 2 once it will be available
I don't really like big overlays, I hate Touchwiz (or Samsung Experience or whatever), but I'm wondering what about MIUI
So I'm asking you guys the question : What do you think about MIUI ? What are its advantages and its drawbacks according to you ? Why would it be better than an other brand's software ?
Thanks !
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Hey guys
I currently own a Galaxy S8, but I seriously consider buying the Mi Mix 2 once it will be available
I don't really like big overlays, I hate Touchwiz (or Samsung Experience or whatever), but I'm wondering what about MIUI
So I'm asking you guys the question : What do you think about MIUI ? What are its advantages and its drawbacks according to you ? Why would it be better than an other brand's software ?
Thanks !
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The only thing I hate about MIUI is notifications (expand with two fingers, cant interact them in lock screen), besides that I like the design and optimizations, If you dont really care about the notifications handling than you will enjoy it.
Note that now Im using an almost stock android custom rom (ViperOS).
Anyone else ?
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Anyone else ?
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At the first I'm in love at MIUI , but in my perspective it's so laggy after learning about RR and custom kernel and tweaking many things I'll not buy devices with no custom development
As far as performance goes, I've always found MIUI to be smoother than custom ROMs. The gap now is almost non-existent, but 4-5 months back MIUI (and EPIC which is a MIUI mod) was quicker. I've never had a phone with a heavy UI like Touchwiz (mostly Nexus/Moto) so I can't really compare.
Even when I used MIUI (EPIC), I didn't use any MIUI apps. The Google/3rd party alternatives are all better.
The only feature that I'm aware of that MIUI has that others don't is Second Space, which allows you to run two separate versions of any app. Maybe others have it and I've never noticed. It might not even be something you'd use anyway. Some nice features are swiping down to hide the nav bar (frees up more space, although I've heard this has been tweaked in MIUI 9, and not for the better) and quick ball in the nav bar (like a basic PIE control). The themes are pretty good too, and there are a lot of them, but they only apply to the MIUI UI and not the apps themselves (unlike substratum on a custom ROM).
If you go with a custom ROM you will gain a lot but you'll also lose those features, and others like MIUI Cloud backup/Find My Device etc. Since you're talking about the Mi Mix 2, it could be months before custom ROMs are useable as a daily driver anyway so you may have to sit on MIUI for a while at least, even assuming that custom ROMs will be possible (highly likely given other Xiaomi devices).
The major disadvantage, as was mentioned, is the crappy notification implementation. Given the amount of notifications some people can get, it might be a mild inconvenience or a huge pain. There are apps that can mitigate this problem though, like Floatify. It also doesn't have ambient/always-on display. You'll be 'stuck' on Nougat too, so any new Oreo features like PIP (Picture-in-picture) and Notification channels likely won't make it to MIUI for a long time. We're only now getting split screen mode which I had almost 18 months ago on the Nexus 6.
I was primed to get the Mi Mix about this time last year but I waited about 6 months for the price to drop (so I could get the 256/6GB model) but also for ROM development to pick up. I'd recommend the same. Even a year later, how many alternatives are there that have a very large screen combined with high-end specs? Barely any that I can think of, barring the S8+ (6.2 inch, 84% screen-to-body ratio), the V30 (6/81.3%) and the Honor Note 9 (6.6 inch, not yet available).
Personally, I'm in love with MIUI since late 2013.
It's just a complete ROM for me, all features I need are just there and once you start using them it's hard to switch to something else.
I tried many ROM's like RR, CM, LOS, Flyme, etc but always revert back after some time. When using MIUI, I just don't need any 3rd party apps unlike on other ROM's where I have to replace almost every single system app to get functions I need or I get used to. Not to mention that nothing beats MIUI battery life, even with the underclocked kernel on custom ROM's can't beat simple battery saving on MIUI. Performance is the same as I noticed in my daily usage between custom ROM and MIUI, just slightly better Antutu scores on MIUI (if numbers mean something to you).
My suggestion is to try MIUI ROM if you have a chance since usage depends from user to user and it would be silly to say which one is better when everyone has different opinion
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The only thing I hate about MIUI is notifications (expand with two fingers, cant interact them in lock screen), besides that I like the design and optimizations, If you dont really care about the notifications handling than you will enjoy it.
Note that now Im using an almost stock android custom rom (ViperOS).
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At the first I'm in love at MIUI , but in my perspective it's so laggy after learning about RR and custom kernel and tweaking many things I'll not buy devices with no custom development
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As far as performance goes, I've always found MIUI to be smoother than custom ROMs. The gap now is almost non-existent, but 4-5 months back MIUI (and EPIC which is a MIUI mod) was quicker. I've never had a phone with a heavy UI like Touchwiz (mostly Nexus/Moto) so I can't really compare.
Even when I used MIUI (EPIC), I didn't use any MIUI apps. The Google/3rd party alternatives are all better.
The only feature that I'm aware of that MIUI has that others don't is Second Space, which allows you to run two separate versions of any app. Maybe others have it and I've never noticed. It might not even be something you'd use anyway. Some nice features are swiping down to hide the nav bar (frees up more space, although I've heard this has been tweaked in MIUI 9, and not for the better) and quick ball in the nav bar (like a basic PIE control). The themes are pretty good too, and there are a lot of them, but they only apply to the MIUI UI and not the apps themselves (unlike substratum on a custom ROM).
If you go with a custom ROM you will gain a lot but you'll also lose those features, and others like MIUI Cloud backup/Find My Device etc. Since you're talking about the Mi Mix 2, it could be months before custom ROMs are useable as a daily driver anyway so you may have to sit on MIUI for a while at least, even assuming that custom ROMs will be possible (highly likely given other Xiaomi devices).
The major disadvantage, as was mentioned, is the crappy notification implementation. Given the amount of notifications some people can get, it might be a mild inconvenience or a huge pain. There are apps that can mitigate this problem though, like Floatify. It also doesn't have ambient/always-on display. You'll be 'stuck' on Nougat too, so any new Oreo features like PIP (Picture-in-picture) and Notification channels likely won't make it to MIUI for a long time. We're only now getting split screen mode which I had almost 18 months ago on the Nexus 6.
I was primed to get the Mi Mix about this time last year but I waited about 6 months for the price to drop (so I could get the 256/6GB model) but also for ROM development to pick up. I'd recommend the same. Even a year later, how many alternatives are there that have a very large screen combined with high-end specs? Barely any that I can think of, barring the S8+ (6.2 inch, 84% screen-to-body ratio), the V30 (6/81.3%) and the Honor Note 9 (6.6 inch, not yet available).
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Manwex said:
Personally, I'm in love with MIUI since late 2013.
It's just a complete ROM for me, all features I need are just there and once you start using them it's hard to switch to something else.
I tried many ROM's like RR, CM, LOS, Flyme, etc but always revert back after some time. When using MIUI, I just don't need any 3rd party apps unlike on other ROM's where I have to replace almost every single system app to get functions I need or I get used to. Not to mention that nothing beats MIUI battery life, even with the underclocked kernel on custom ROM's can't beat simple battery saving on MIUI. Performance is the same as I noticed in my daily usage between custom ROM and MIUI, just slightly better Antutu scores on MIUI (if numbers mean something to you).
My suggestion is to try MIUI ROM if you have a chance since usage depends from user to user and it would be silly to say which one is better when everyone has different opinion
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Okay guys, thank you very much for giving your opinion !
Hello community,i had my nexus 6 for 3 years now,been through much Rom/kernel combos,and i never had this kind of lag that i have with all pie roms.Thing is i dont have much apps,maybe two non google apps and probably stock gapps package,so no bloat.With this kind of apps i never get a single hint of lag at lets say purenexus 7.1.2 and franco.Not a single stutter.And ui looks kinda same because i have pixel launchers.Dont get me wrong i know this device is old now,but if it can run 7.1.2 without lag i didnt expect it to lag this much in all pie roms,and i tryed them all,did all i could,even franco cant help eliminate lag,and i dont have encryption.And lag is serious,it happens when scrolling,i know nexus 6 is not oneplus 6t kind of device,and i know games do lag more now,but lagging in ui is just weird,my redmi 5 dont lag at all on android p custom rom,and redmi 5 is just lame compared to nexus.So my question is,do anyone else get lag?My friend also gets lag only on pie roms on his nexus 6.Is there something they did with pie to older devices,i really wish to find answer.I tryed lineage 16 and its really good,it gives new look to nexus,and thank developers from depth of my heart,but it would be soo good to eliminate this weird lag,just because i know this device is way more capable of running pie than most device that have it now.Weird thing is its sometimes very smooth and next moment it lags like hell,it seems like its running at 15 fps.
If you can help me any sort of way id be very grateful.Viva la nexus 6,my friends,lovers of shamu,best phone ever.:fingers-crossed:
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Hello community,i had my nexus 6 for 3 years now,been through much Rom/kernel combos,and i never had this kind of lag that i have with all pie roms.Thing is i dont have much apps,maybe two non google apps and probably stock gapps package,so no bloat.With this kind of apps i never get a single hint of lag at lets say purenexus 7.1.2 and franco.Not a single stutter.And ui looks kinda same because i have pixel launchers.Dont get me wrong i know this device is old now,but if it can run 7.1.2 without lag i didnt expect it to lag this much in all pie roms,and i tryed them all,did all i could,even franco cant help eliminate lag,and i dont have encryption.And lag is serious,it happens when scrolling,i know nexus 6 is not oneplus 6t kind of device,and i know games do lag more now,but lagging in ui is just weird,my redmi 5 dont lag at all on android p custom rom,and redmi 5 is just lame compared to nexus.So my question is,do anyone else get lag?My friend also gets lag only on pie roms on his nexus 6.Is there something they did with pie to older devices,i really wish to find answer.I tryed lineage 16 and its really good,it gives new look to nexus,and thank developers from depth of my heart,but it would be soo good to eliminate this weird lag,just because i know this device is way more capable of running pie than most device that have it now.Weird thing is its sometimes very smooth and next moment it lags like hell,it seems like its running at 15 fps.
If you can help me any sort of way id be very grateful.Viva la nexus 6,my friends,lovers of shamu,best phone ever.:fingers-crossed:
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I dont experience lag on Pie personally, buttery smooth for me. If you havent tried it yet, try rebooting your phone in safe mode and once its fully booted, do a boot into normal mode. I have had times with severe lag and this cleared it all up.
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I dont experience lag on Pie personally, buttery smooth for me. If you havent tried it yet, try rebooting your phone in safe mode and once its fully booted, do a boot into normal mode. I have had times with severe lag and this cleared it all up.
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May i ask what rom/kernel combo do you run?My nexus lags and gets hot on all pie roms,and that dont happen at nougat or oreo roms.I tend to run phone as lean as podsible,so i dont have apps that i dont need,and i think that shouldnt be a problem,and i see when using phone that sometimes its smooth,and next second it lags when i scroll.I restored to purenexus 7.1.2 and i doesnt have a single hickup on it,battery lasts long,and it doesnt overheat at all.Problem is i like pie more,than nougat or oreo.
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May i ask what rom/kernel combo do you run?My nexus lags and gets hot on all pie roms,and that dont happen at nougat or oreo roms.I tend to run phone as lean as podsible,so i dont have apps that i dont need,and i think that shouldnt be a problem,and i see when using phone that sometimes its smooth,and next second it lags when i scroll.I restored to purenexus 7.1.2 and i doesnt have a single hickup on it,battery lasts long,and it doesnt overheat at all.Problem is i like pie more,than nougat or oreo.
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I was running Nitrogen for a couple months till 2 days ago and I was using its stock kernel most of that time. I am now running Revolution Remix Pie with Popcorn kernel. No lag at all. I use Apex Launcher and Brave Browser. Mostly use phone for calls , texts , and youtube. No issues at all. I dont use any backups that came from Nougat or Oreo. Try what I suggested.
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I was running Nitrogen for a couple months till 2 days ago and I was using its stock kernel most of that time. I am now running Revolution Remix Pie with Popcorn kernel. No lag at all. I use Apex Launcher and Brave Browser. Mostly use phone for calls , texts , and youtube. No issues at all. I dont use any backups that came from Nougat or Oreo. Try what I suggested.
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Ok will try nitrogen,with its stock kernel,to see how it goes,hopefully it will be better than lineage or carbon. Ty,and i will try rr later if nitro lags .
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Ok will try nitrogen,with its stock kernel,to see how it goes,hopefully it will be better than lineage or carbon. Ty,and i will try rr later if nitro lags .
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Probably not as Nitrogen uses LineagOS's kernel and device repository
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Probably not as Nitrogen uses LineagOS's kernel and device repository
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You were right,it was even worse,lagging even on 100% battery,with no additional apps installed other than some basic gapps,this is becoming frustrating for me,maybe its only my device,but it makes me sad that it cant work well with pie.Can it be because its 32bit cpu?I really cant beleive that my nexus 5 on pie works like 200% better,doesnt have a hint of lag.Its kinda unbeleivable.I did all i could time to go back to my old purenexus and franco,at least it was solid and not laggy.Maybe this phone just isnt strong enough .Thank you all,if anyone has any more ideas ill gladly listen to them.And thank you elektroshmock for caring about our device,keep the good work :fingers-crossed:
For how long have you tried each pie rom? I believe that the rom runs some background optimization after install, so I wouldn't judge speed until a few days have passed.
Does it run faster when connected to power?
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You were right,it was even worse,lagging even on 100% battery,with no additional apps installed other than some basic gapps,this is becoming frustrating for me,maybe its only my device,but it makes me sad that it cant work well with pie.Can it be because its 32bit cpu?I really cant beleive that my nexus 5 on pie works like 200% better,doesnt have a hint of lag.Its kinda unbeleivable.I did all i could time to go back to my old purenexus and franco,at least it was solid and not laggy.Maybe this phone just isnt strong enough .Thank you all,if anyone has any more ideas ill gladly listen to them.And thank you elektroshmock for caring about our device,keep the good work :fingers-crossed:
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The lags have to be from your personal phone or setup. Like I said, I dont experience lag because if I did and I thought the Nexus 6 in general was uncapable of running PIE smoothly, I would have replaced it by now. Did you reboot your phone in safe mode and then back in normal mode while using a PIE rom?
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For how long have you tried each pie rom? I believe that the rom runs some background optimization after install, so I wouldn't judge speed until a few days have passed.
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Well i cant allow myself to use laggy phone for more than few hours,lets say all nougat roms i tryed ever smoothed out in few minutes,and never had lag or stutter or overheating,it seems to be the last os that worked without any problem on my phone,as oreo did work ok,but not like nougat,nor did i ever get battery life like i get on nougat.But id say oreo was acceptable.On all pie roms except maybe carbon that i used for 3 months,id get all sort of problems,cracking top speaker on 40% battery,shuting off at 35%(battery is not bad as this never happens except on pie),and as i saw pie roms with different kernels,do have strange cpu behavior,shutting of cores,settings not sticking when applied in kernel manager apps,i disabled mpdecision,still same,i lock cpu on max,set governor to performance,gpu governor also performance,i did everything i knew(not to brag but i think i know a lot about this device)but i think my unit which was first batch even tho i bought it later as new,it has some weird electricity,power delivery issuses,it seems like it needs more power(voltage?)then the battery can provide.And this speaker electricity crackle annoys me.When it makes that sound i think its gonna burn or something,because that sort of sound is same like when you hear electrical sparkles and it starts to lag heavily,never ever i got this strange sound on any phone i had.And when using on my turbo charger it gets so hot i think i would be able to fry egg on it without any problem.
@Derrick
I did all you told me,started in safe mode on pie nitrogen,but even in safe mode it lagged heavily,i dont really know what happens with my shamu and on pie i think i got 58 celsius on battery and 87 celsius on cpu i thought thing is gonna burn to ashes.Same second i revert to pure nexus and franco it becames ultra smooth,and ultra cold now i have 23 celsius on battery,and 35 on cpu.Just very weird,because performance on nougat tells me my device is more then acceptable of running everything smoothly,but for some reason pie roms breaks it into half.I think i heard something about opengl(skia)render on pie making it lag.If someone knows how to force old opengl to use it on pie tell me,i think ill try that if i get any information on how to do it.
Thank you for trying to help me guys .
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Well i cant allow myself to use laggy phone for more than few hours,lets say all nougat roms i tryed ever smoothed out in few minutes,and never had lag or stutter or overheating,it seems to be the last os that worked without any problem on my phone,as oreo did work ok,but not like nougat,nor did i ever get battery life like i get on nougat.But id say oreo was acceptable.On all pie roms except maybe carbon that i used for 3 months,id get all sort of problems,cracking top speaker on 40% battery,shuting off at 35%(battery is not bad as this never happens except on pie),and as i saw pie roms with different kernels,do have strange cpu behavior,shutting of cores,settings not sticking when applied in kernel manager apps,i disabled mpdecision,still same,i lock cpu on max,set governor to performance,gpu governor also performance,i did everything i knew(not to brag but i think i know a lot about this device)but i think my unit which was first batch even tho i bought it later as new,it has some weird electricity,power delivery issuses,it seems like it needs more power(voltage?)then the battery can provide.And this speaker electricity crackle annoys me.When it makes that sound i think its gonna burn or something,because that sort of sound is same like when you hear electrical sparkles and it starts to lag heavily,never ever i got this strange sound on any phone i had.And when using on my turbo charger it gets so hot i think i would be able to fry egg on it without any problem.
@Derrick
I did all you told me,started in safe mode on pie nitrogen,but even in safe mode it lagged heavily,i dont really know what happens with my shamu and on pie i think i got 58 celsius on battery and 87 celsius on cpu i thought thing is gonna burn to ashes.Same second i revert to pure nexus and franco it becames ultra smooth,and ultra cold now i have 23 celsius on battery,and 35 on cpu.Just very weird,because performance on nougat tells me my device is more then acceptable of running everything smoothly,but for some reason pie roms breaks it into half.I think i heard something about opengl(skia)render on pie making it lag.If someone knows how to force old opengl to use it on pie tell me,i think ill try that if i get any information on how to do it.
Thank you for trying to help me guys .
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To me, it sounds like its a good time to buy another phone.
DerrickTight said:
To me, it sounds like its a good time to buy another phone.
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It probably would be good time if it was lagging on nougat,but i can keep it for some more time,i think i wont even sold it like i did with other phones i had(it will stay with me just like my nexus 5),it really is my favourite phone,even tho its not perfect by any means.I thought about possible new phone and i hate new trends of bezeless screens,and especially i hate 18+:9 screen ratios,it makes phone look like tv remote,and there isnt much phones that fall into these categories.And of all the good phones i think the one id get is probably pixel/pixel xl and pixel 2 but every one of them is plagued by its own set of hardware problems,and that makes me unsure about possible purchase.
shamuMNE said:
.On all pie roms except maybe carbon that i used for 3 months,id get all sort of problems,cracking top speaker on 40% battery,shuting off at 35%(battery is not bad as this never happens except on pie),and as i saw pie roms with different kernels,do have strange cpu behavior,shutting of cores,settings not sticking when applied in kernel manager apps,i disabled mpdecision,still same,i lock cpu on max,set governor to performance,gpu governor also performance,i did everything i knew(not to brag but i think i know a lot about this device).
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I wonder what makes Carbon so special, because it's using LineageOS's Kernel and devicetree for shamu.
I don't know which Pie ROM you're using now, but at least LineageOS for shamu doesn't want you to fiddle with kernel settings.
If you choose to do so there is a very high chance your cpu freqs get stuck at very high levels, which causes your devices temperature to rise, which causes thermal deamon to kick in and limit your maximum freqs.
In general no matter how much you think you know about your device before you fiddle with any setting you should ask yourself "why didn't the device maintainer set it in the first place"
Elektroschmock said:
I wonder what makes Carbon so special, because it's using LineageOS's Kernel and devicetree for shamu.
I don't know which Pie ROM you're using now, but at least LineageOS for shamu doesn't want you to fiddle with kernel settings.
If you choose to do so there is a very high chance your cpu freqs get stuck at very high levels, which causes your devices temperature to rise, which causes thermal deamon to kick in and limit your maximum freqs.
In general no matter how much you think you know about your device before you fiddle with any setting you should ask yourself "why didn't the device maintainer set it in the first place"
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Truth be told,i surely know less than you do about this device,and i said it didnt cause me problems with mostly battery.At least thats how i remember it,it gave me less problems for some reason than all other pie roms.But after some time it started doing the same thing like all other roms and that made it unusable so i got back to nougat which im using today even tho i like pie more,design wise.Nougat has much better performance and much better battery life while also not overheating.Id really love that pie works like nougat,but if it isnt its not end of world for me,ill still happilly use shamu on nougat.Maybe lags are only on my device,but i cant find any reason that it happens,i tryed all i potentially know,and its not shame to accept that i dont know everything,thats why i asked people here that probably know way more than i do.I with my minimal knowledge suspect that shamus CPU is culprit here,being 32bit,and maybe new renderer in pie which cause system lag for me and some other guys.My friend lags on stock pie,stock kernel on his pixel 2 xl,thats just not acceptable.Google software+google phone(hardware) and it causes lag on snapdragon 835,its not weird that it lags on 6 year old,ancient 805 which is hardly any stronger that nexus 5 snap 800,but nexus 5 have 1080p and shamu 2k screen,and that probably causes problems for nex6.Being first batch of 2k screen devices i think system on chip that they put in it wasnt ready for what it needed to do.Just my thoughts.