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[Q] Beats Audio against SRS , Dolby Mobile etc.

can you explain me the advantages of beats audio?
imho SRS sounds much better than beats audio. much deeper bass and high tones are clear.
maybe it only give better sound an beats headphones?

Good question, I'd like to know too...
OK just found this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1348659

This review is a pretty good analysis of what Beats actually does on a HTC phone (only one I've seen on the internet apart from speculation about the magical Beats)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/13/htc-sensation-xe-with-beats-audio-review/
Basically, if you dont use it with Beats headphones you get a crap experience unless you're into Top 40 Sine Waves Under 400Hz.

Thanks I will check that out.

Beats Audio against SRS , Dolby Mobile etc.

can you explain me the advantages of beats audio?
imho SRS sounds much better than beats audio. much deeper bass and high tones are clear.
maybe it only give better sound an beats headphones?

highKo said:
can you explain me the advantages of beats audio?
imho SRS sounds much better than beats audio. much deeper bass and high tones are clear.
maybe it only give better sound an beats headphones?
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Same here. I like SRS better than others effects. I'm using Westone UM2.

I use srs, beats sounds a bit tinny to me

If You are using HTC Innovation headphones, then SRS wil be the best one fitting you.

If you are using HTC headphones, you gave rocks in your head.
Sorry, but they are really bad IMO.

Take it from a sound engineer: beats audio is nothing but marketing. The actual sound quality you get is no better than a standard consumer product. In fact, it may well be worse, since they crank up the bass response for no real reason.

In certain cases, the sound hardware must put into considerations as well. Such as headphones accessories.

doctorsax said:
Take it from a sound engineer: beats audio is nothing but marketing. The actual sound quality you get is no better than a standard consumer product. In fact, it may well be worse, since they crank up the bass response for no real reason.
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thanks for your professional meaning. how do you rate the other settings like SRS, dolby mobile etc?

Beats practically made no difference on my phone. What does is, DSP manager. But you need your phone to be rooted for that. And trust me, You need to hear it to believe it!
Makes your sound, specially beats, better than any ipod ever made.

I think so. SRS is wider and louder than Beat.
Or maybe I need Beat earphone to run with it

I thought all these sound enhancement things were in the kernel
and that sense roms are based off HTC kernels with SRS
so therefore AOSP roms dont have SRS
Therefore none have beats or dolby
Please correct me if im wrong
All this has come from surfing around other forums, with kernels that say they have beats integration and rezound sound drivers etc.

Personally I don't like srs, beats audio seems to me that doesnt' change anything...
I think that beats driver does something only in phones that have a native hardware support...
BTW, I'm using ue-600..

there is a way to install the Beats Audio, which I RockoDev for all roms in Incredible Gingerbread S, and probe some zip but remain on bootloop to initiate or otherwise do not allow me to use the native player I get FC
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1525226

[Q] Beats audio sound quality question

I'm considering picking up this phone and I've seen quite a few claims that if you disabling Beats will "replace the beats profile with one that reduces audio quality" instead.
Anyone confirm/deny this? If it's true, does it make a large difference? Are there any ways (Custom ROM, kernel, etc..) that fixes this problem?
PLEASE NOTE: I do not want comments on how the beats audio sounds better than anything else - I want comments on if turning it OFF will degrade the sound quality as some people claim.

It sounds better with beats audio but it sounds great with it off as well.
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There's no need to turn it off the quality of audio with beats is amazing!
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bornotty said:
There's no need to turn it off the quality of audio with beats is amazing!
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jdgreat4 said:
It sounds better with beats audio but it sounds great with it off as well.
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Sounds better is subjective. WHY does it sound better? Explain!
With my taste in music I want a "bright" sound with pretty controlled and laid back bass. I do consider myself quite enthusiastic about good sound quality and honestly, afaik Beats sounds, to me, the entire opposite of what I think is good sound quality.
Anyone can explain to me how the sound quality compares to any other phone they've used?

imho, it seems just making the volume louder, but cannot hear much difference... would anyone advise me if there is some kind of settings/ EQ etc? I can't find that... thanks

Timmyfoxeh said:
Sounds better is subjective. WHY does it sound better? Explain!
With my taste in music I want a "bright" sound with pretty controlled and laid back bass. I do consider myself quite enthusiastic about good sound quality and honestly, afaik Beats sounds, to me, the entire opposite of what I think is good sound quality.
Anyone can explain to me how the sound quality compares to any other phone they've used?
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AFAIK Beat is an active equaliser, meaning that it adjusts to the audio input so that the output isn't distorted and sounds as good as it can on a software level, sure you can create sound like this with an EQ, but then you may have to create sound profiles for ever genre rather than just playing it, but for the record it creates better sound quality which is consistent with all music types that i've tried it with. (magic )
Bass is stronger, delivering a crisper yet softer bass as opposed to a punchy crackle which you'll find on other handsets, trebles are fair and i've heard much louder but in terms of actual clarity it's right up there with the best, mid levels are decent too, so if you want a treble sounding phone then this isn't for you, but for everything else and for the whole package this is where it's at.
I'm referring to the sound that the phone itself delivers, if you were to couple this with a decent set of headphones (i got a pair of solo beats for free with my phone from carphone warehouse, i think they've sold out now) the sound is phenomenal, for picking up and playing a song it is second to none, not the galaxy s4 nor any of the other top of the range handsets can compare to it, the reason for this is because HTC has obviously done it's homework for the audio part of the system and used it as a major selling point.
I'm by no means a music enthusiast but i love them and several of my friends who are music enthusiasts (some producers and DJ's) have said that the sound is superb, obviously not as good as a studio but lets not forget that this is a phone that we're talking about here and for what it is it won't be beaten.

dladz said:
AFAIK Beat is an active equaliser
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Yep, thus meaning the sound signature should be rather inconsistent as it changes from song to song, right?
dladz said:
Bass is stronger
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That's exactly what I do not want when using my Sennheiser headphones.
Boosting the bass gives a sound signature I really do not like too much. I want it to be balanced and rather a bit laid back as opposed to strong and, imo, overpowering. Bright and detailed with a wide soundstage is more my cup of tea.
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Can I remind you all that my question isn't about how the beats profile sounds like but just if the sound quality does noticeably degrade (even compared to other phones) when you DISABLE it?

Timmyfoxeh said:
Yep, thus meaning the sound signature should be rather inconsistent as it changes from song to song, right?
That's exactly what I do not want when using my Sennheiser headphones.
Boosting the bass gives a sound signature I really do not like too much. I want it to be balanced and rather a bit laid back as opposed to strong and, imo, overpowering. Bright and detailed with a wide soundstage is more my cup of tea.
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Can I remind you all that my question isn't about how the beats profile sounds like but just if the sound quality does noticeably degrade (even compared to other phones) when you DISABLE it?
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Sounds like your already dead set against it, why don't you go down to a shop with your headphones and try it out, sorry but I'm not going to delve Into how I feel about the sound quality anymore, this thread and your responses are about as predantic as it gets. I tried to give you a detailed explanation and my experience of the sound on top of other people whom I know.
You don't appear to want to hear that so get one and try it for yourself.
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dladz said:
Sounds like your already dead set against it, why don't you go down to a shop with your headphones and try it out, sorry but I'm not going to delve Into how I feel about the sound quality anymore, this thread and your responses are about as predantic as it gets. I tried to give you a detailed explanation and my experience of the sound on top of other people whom I know.
You don't appear to want to hear that so get one and try it for yourself.
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None of these replies have answered my question about it though. so let me rephase:
I've seen several reviews claim that this phone use 2 different profiles for Beats audio;
1. The ON profile which activates the "enhancement"
2. The OFF profile which, rather than just deactivating beats audio, will reduce the sound quality below that of what the DAC is capable of.
Now may I have any comments relevant to this question (rather than just saying the sound quality of this phone is good or bad).
Also, not all stores here allow you to try out the phones like so unfortunately.
EDIT: Thanks to the LinusTechTips forum I found this video which pretty much explains what I've been saying: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdbn_pmxFic

Timmyfoxeh said:
Sounds better is subjective. WHY does it sound better? Explain!
With my taste in music I want a "bright" sound with pretty controlled and laid back bass. I do consider myself quite enthusiastic about good sound quality and honestly, afaik Beats sounds, to me, the entire opposite of what I think is good sound quality.
Anyone can explain to me how the sound quality compares to any other phone they've used?
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I think it's much clearer, and s bit louder. But clearer. I used to have an HTC sensation, where in the middle of your video or music you had a toggle to turn off Beats. And trust me, there is a difference. I even record university lectures on it, and beats tunes out the background noise and boosts that of the speaker. It does wonders . But you can always get the phone and turn off Beats and download an equalizer from the pay store.
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We're missing a critical piece of information from you : do you primarily listen through the phone's speakers or use headphones? Given that you don't seem to have a One yet (and thus have normal phone speakers which are pretty terrible ) you probably use headphones. The reason this is critical (and why the whole situation is kind of irrelevant) is because when using the phone speakers turning the enhancement off does make it sound worse IMO. However, if you're using headphones, turning it off makes it sound better assuming you have a decent pair of course. I don't know if you're like me and prefer a natural base level over an artificially high one, but if you are then you can just turn off beats and let the headphones do the work and it will sound just as good as using any other portable audio player out there. See why it's all irrelevant now? You can turn it on to use it when it's good and off when it's not, and if you personally feel that it's never good, then you can just turn it off and rely only on the hardware which is just as good as any other portable source.
So take home points (I'll keep them simple and clear) :
1. Yes it sounds worse if you turn off beats when using the phone's speakers.
2. It does sound better to those looking for a more natural sound profile to turn off beats when using a pair of quality headphones.
3. Turning off beats does not seem to activate an "intentionally low quality profile." That wouldn't make any sense, it's just a tweaked equalizer...
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Xerro-Five said:
We're missing a critical piece of information from you : do you primarily listen through the phone's speakers or use headphones? Given that you don't seem to have a One yet (and thus have normal phone speakers which are pretty terrible ) you probably use headphones (you mention in passing a pair of sens). The reason this is critical (and why the whole situation is kind of irrelevant) is because when using the phone speakers turning the enhancement off does make it sound worse IMO. However, if you're using headphones, turning it off makes it sound better assuming you have a decent pair of course. I don't know if you're like me and prefer a natural base level over an artificially high one, but if you are then you can just turn off beats and let the headphones do the work and it will sound just as good as using any other portable audio player out there. See why it's all irrelevant now? You can turn it on to use it when it's good and off when it's not, and if you personally feel that it's never good, then you can just turn it off and rely only on the hardware which is just as good as any other portable source.
So take home points (I'll keep them simple and clear) :
1. Yes it sounds worse if you turn off beats when using the phone's speakers.
2. It does sound better to those looking for a more natural sound profile to turn off beats when using a pair of quality headphones.
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Thanks for a good and detailed response - This is the kind of reply I was looking for!
Also. good to see an opinion from someone that seemingly have a similar taste in sound signature as I do.
Yep I'm thinking of the headphone performance indeed, speakers I usually don't care too much about, I can see why they seemingly optimized the speakers for use with the beats turned on.
Another thing to mention, I'm coming from the Galaxy Nexus which has a rather decent DAC. Nothing spectacular but decent enough. If you have any comments on the SQ difference between the One and the Gnex or any similar devices, do post them.

Timmyfoxeh said:
Thanks for a good and detailed response - This is the kind of reply I was looking for!
Also. good to see an opinion from someone that seemingly have a similar taste in sound signature as I do.
Yep I'm thinking of the headphone performance indeed, speakers I usually don't care too much about, I can see why they seemingly optimized the speakers for use with the beats turned on.
Another thing to mention, I'm coming from the Galaxy Nexus which has a rather decent DAC. Nothing spectacular but decent enough. If you have any comments on the SQ difference between the One and the Gnex or any similar devices, do post them.
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Happy to help!
For practicality reasons I too usually use headphones. I'm sorry I've never had a galaxy line phone to compare to. But if you think about it theoretically, you're going to be playing mp3 files in all likelihood. Hopefully they're 320kbps at least, but still mp3s. At this level of listening comparing one source to another is pretty difficult I think; there's just too much compression already. Which is why I think contrasting portable audio source quality is a moot point, it depends more on the headphones. But fortunately you need to get up into the thousands of dollars in equipment to decern the finer details anyway.
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Xerro-Five said:
Happy to help!
For practicality reasons I too usually use headphones. I'm sorry I've never had a galaxy line phone to compare to. But if you think about it theoretically, you're going to be playing mp3 files in all likelihood. Hopefully they're 320kbps at least, but still mp3s. At this level of listening comparing one source to another is pretty difficult I think; there's just too much compression already. Which is why I think contrasting portable audio source quality is a moot point, it depends more on the headphones. But fortunately you need to get up into the thousands of dollars in equipment to decern the finer details anyway.
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Actually most of my collection is ripped in flac ^^
My setup at home is a far better source than any phone can produce, not super high end but still a good setup.
Nonetheless, I care for having a decent enough audio source from my phone as a large portion of my music listening is when away from home and I don't want to carry a ton of portable equipment and media players when I can have it all done from my phone.

Timmyfoxeh said:
Actually most of my collection is ripped in flac ^^
My setup at home is a far better source than any phone can produce, not super high end but still a good setup.
Nonetheless, I care for having a decent enough audio source from my phone as a large portion of my music listening is when away from home and I don't want to carry a ton of portable equipment and media players when I can have it all done from my phone.
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Oh nice, that's excellent! The thought of re-ripping all of mine is just to daunting...
From what I've read elsewhere on xda the One handles flac pretty well.
There's a lot of neat information here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/655952/htc-one
Page 2 will be especially interesting to you as someone had the Galaxy s and htc One.
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Oh nice, that's excellent! The thought of re-ripping all of mine is just to daunting...
From what I've read elsewhere on xda the One handles flac pretty well.
There's a lot of neat information here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/655952/htc-one
Page 2 will be especially interesting to you as someone had the Galaxy s and htc One.
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Sorry meant galaxy nexus

sound quality and Beats audio not good enough

I had used before HTCHD2 . HTC Mozart 7. HTC Desire HD. HTC sensation XE, HTC one, HTC Droid Dna, now HTC Butterfly S
In my experience the sound quality best ever is Droid DNA, beats audio and deep bass very effective and clear.
i noticed in Butterfly S the bass not deep enough and the beats audio on and off almost same a very little different when turn off and on the beats audio in butterfly s in comparison with Droid DNA, besides when i turn on the X-Wide in jet audio making a little distortion, in Droid Dna no problem and very clear.
Usually am listen to music by connecting the phone in car audio system with amplifier and big sup woofer.
Anybody experience the Droid Dna sound Quality and the butterfly s.?
If any suggestion or solution please inform me.
Thanks

hmm, the DNA's DAC has a bit less dynamic range than the Butterfly s, so it may give a more "harder" sound. According to tests done by GSMArena the Butterfly s has a higher dynamic range and less IMD (a bit more THD though), so theoretically its sound quality should be "better." However, you're used to a more bassy sound you may not like it.
What volume are you listening at? Using the stock music app, volume levels above 11/15 can sound distorted using In-Ear headphones. See this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2423846
Using third-party players like PowerAMP can fix this at some higher volumes but there is an occasional clicking that occurs (similar to skipping on old Android Phones.)
Maybe give PowerAMP a try because when I used JetAudio on my HTC One X+, some of the enhancements distorted a bit.
If you don't want any clicking, I think stock player is the only one that works as it seems to use a different audio thread. (you can't use any equalizer app with it)

FYL21 said:
hmm, the DNA's DAC has a bit less dynamic range than the Butterfly s, so it may give a more "harder" sound. According to tests done by GSMArena the Butterfly s has a higher dynamic range and less IMD (a bit more THD though), so theoretically its sound quality should be "better." However, you're used to a more bassy sound you may not like it.
What volume are you listening at? Using the stock music app, volume levels above 11/15 can sound distorted using In-Ear headphones. See this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2423846
Using third-party players like PowerAMP can fix this at some higher volumes but there is an occasional clicking that occurs (similar to skipping on old Android Phones.)
Maybe give PowerAMP a try because when I used JetAudio on my HTC One X+, some of the enhancements distorted a bit.
If you don't want any clicking, I think stock player is the only one that works as it seems to use a different audio thread. (you can't use any equalizer app with it)
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Thanks For Reply yeh i agree with you usually i listen to music by connecting the mobile in audio system car with amplifier and sub woofer actually droid dna in jet audio is better then Butterfly s deeper bass ,but butterfly s in pwoeramp is better then droid dna.
big thanks for your advise .

Speaker & Audio-Quality

How is the speaker audio-quality compared to something like HTC One devices?
Is the DAC & AMP somewhere near the quality of the HTC 10, LG V20 or Axon 7?
Regards Forsaked

I can only compare to the iPhone 6S.
The speaker of the P10 is a bit louder, but on the loudest setting it sounds a bit distorted or overdriven. When I set 2 steps down it sounds like the iPhone 6S in direct comparison. The loudest setting is good for ringtones and they sound really well, if you don't have songs like metal or trance as ringtone.
With headphones (Beyerdynamics DT-770) and some FLAC files I couldn't hear any differences.

Pocketnow made an audio review for the P10.
https://youtu.be/jBzEmOhfcSU

The loudness of headphone output is 1/3 of iphone 7, 40% quieter than Galaxy S7. Not very loud. Both Phonearena and GSMarena confirm this.

I can confirm that the sound in P10 is very nice in Bowers and Wilkins P5 jack.
If you run flacs and Hi-Res Audio its very nice. Blutooth in AAC is also nice.
The Sound in P10 is designed by Hardan Kardon and the DAC is made of Yamaha Commercial Audio
It is well enough loud, if you use the Huawei music app you must run DTS.
Its pros is rock, blues, vokal, acoustic, jazz, funk etc... The sound is egaging, dynamic, detailed and lively better than iphone 4S, and other mobiles ive tried. The phones strongest audio card is something called SEPARATION, between instruments, that is simply outstanding. You hear details of what drum it is, clear vokal, and all the instruments is well placed in a room.
Classical sounds nice, but is not its strongest card, it could have more clarity and focused details..
If your are a Beats head, that damage your ears with hiphop, Skrillex and tekno at high volume, maybe your not satisfyed.
I cranked House of Pain Jump around in Poweramp, and that sounded nice.
HTC 10 should on the papers have better audio sound tho.

But I want to know if the Huawei P10 is ready with drivers to connect a Dac via USB for example Dragonfly.
I ask this because alot of other people wants to know the same.

Works with ESS chipset in the B&O modular for the LG G5.

I prefer to disable DTS. Nice sound but the volume is a little lover than Htc

I just want to give my opinion on this:
I have both the Axon 7 and the P10 Plus and I must say that output is better in the P10 Plus, and I don't understand why.
I don't know what kind of sorcery does DTS mode, but it pumps the sound in a really nice way.
When you disable DTS, Axon 7 sounds better in HiFi res.
Probably is because there is no way to use the AKM DAC on the Axon 7 with a proper equalization, so even when the sound is good, it can't be used along the Dolby Atmos feature. Dolby Atmos only kicks in when using the speakers, or if you want to use it with headphones, it will automatically change to Snapdragon DAC. So far there is no way to use Atmos and the AKM dac together.
I'm using Sony XBA-H1 which I find pretty decent earbuds to test this.
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Its Confirmed by Huawei that P10 use the latest Hi6403 soundchip (typical with Kirin960) that supports Hi-Rez
Its rumoured that Harman Kardon, and Yamaha Commercial Audio group has worked on the sound in P10

It's just to bad that the amplifier is to weak. It makes the volume lower than the competitors.

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It's just to bad that the amplifier is to weak. It makes the volume lower than the competitors.
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I don't know, but this P10 Plus sounds better than my Axon 7, and is supposed that Axon 7 is the best audio phone.
Activating DTS make everything more punchier and richier.

The Audio quality is great. But the low volume might be because of some EU regulations.

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The Audio quality is great. But the low volume might be because of some EU regulations.
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Problem is that we don't have a way to equalize the output using the high quality dog, because as long as we turn on Dolby Atmos, it changes to Qualcomm one.
Is a pity we don't have a stock or default equalizer besides Dolby Atmos, because is useless if we want the best quality out of the headphone jack.

I don't know if this trick or a simualy trick works
https://forum.xda-developers.com/huawei-p9lite/how-to/guide-increase-headset-volume-t3624236

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I don't know if this trick or a simualy trick works
https://forum.xda-developers.com/huawei-p9lite/how-to/guide-increase-headset-volume-t3624236
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Is not only about the volume, but more of the equalization, and no trick can help with that.

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Is not only about the volume, but more of the equalization, and no trick can help with that.
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Poweramp?
Just hoping that beta testing is done soon for Hi rez audio version...
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But I want to know if the Huawei P10 is ready with drivers to connect a Dac via USB for example Dragonfly.
I ask this because alot of other people wants to know the same.
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Just connect and Play... I use a dragonfly Red, and It works fine

Have no problems with volume on my Sony 100 headphones jack and Poweramp or Sony music player Hi-rez
But sad not Poweramp has Hi-Rez support for Hua yet....
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Have no problems with volume on my Sony 100 headphones jack and Poweramp or Sony music player Hi-rez
But sad not Poweramp has Hi-Rez support for Hua yet....

Using stock music player with my Trinity Master IEM (2BA drivers, 1 dynamic) and it has the best sound output so far among my existing devices (xiaomi mi3, nexus 5, oppo f1s). The sound is crisp and full. With DTS, everything sounds louder but more artificial.