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O2 UK: Kaiser model?

Hey guys,
I'm looking around for a PDA, I've never really had one before but I really like the sound of the Kaiser.
Does O2 (UK) have a Kaiser based product?
Many Thanks

I have read a couple of things which suggest that O2 don't intend to pick up the Kaiser. Not sure how accurate the source information is though.

I doubt it!
I've been hoping since I first saw the Kaiser that O2 would be picking it up to release this year, as my contract runs out in November so I was going to upgrade to it then...
But since they've only just released the TyTN as the XDA Trion in the last couple of months, and that phone has been with every other network for over a year, I doubt very much they'll replace their "flagship" phone I suppose with a new one inside 6 months :-(

Yeh, I think you are probably right myk_83.
I have to say I can't imagine going back ot O2 now anyway. I used to be with O2 and they were fine, a good company, but with phones like this I find the Tmobile Web'n'Walk incredible value for money.
Unlimited data (within reason ) for under a tenner a month, compared to the other networks per mb charging. It is no exaggeration to say that my data use would cost me a couple of hundred pounds per month on the other networks

Awww man!
Say it isn't so!
I've been with O2 for 18 months now - on just a regular phone - and I've been really impressed with them, I've no experience with there data services but I'd hate to have to switch networks.

Osbornaldo said:
Say it isn't so!
I've been with O2 for 18 months now - on just a regular phone - and I've been really impressed with them, I've no experience with there data services but I'd hate to have to switch networks.
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Yeh, I never had any problems with O2, they were a good company. With these types of phones though, chances are you are going to want to download your emails, surf the net etc... and you will find that your data use creeps up faster than you realise.
I am not sure what O2 are currently charging but generally the other networks seem to charge around £3 to £4 (it used to be £7.50 per mb with most networks!!) per megabyte of data. I wouldn't consider myself a particularly heavy data user but I have used 40mb in a month before now which would cost me a fortune!
With Tmobile, it is just £7.50 per month ... big difference.

Aye,
E-mails and web connectivity are a large part of my needs.
I'm also looking at the possibility of developing custom apps to make me more productive (I'm a .Net developer by trade) and these apps would often rely on connectivity to the web.
I don't want to switch providers... but I'm starting to feel it may be inevitable.

Yeh, it may be the way to go. I haven't looked at O2's tarriffs though since I got my Vario 2 a year ago so perhaps they now offer a data plan, they didn't then but they might now. It's worth asking.
Only thing I would say about Tmobile is that in my area there is limited 3G coverage which means for the most part I am on the slower GPRS connection. This doesn't bother me at all but would bother some who use the video calling or need a faster connection. If you decide that it is time to try a new network, if you need 3G, check on the coverage for your area first.

... also, you can take your number to Tmobile if you need to, I did and it was nice and easy.

O2 Data
I think O2 include 1mb of browsing with their contract tariffs for free, and then they charge £3 for 2mb, or £5 for 4mb as bolt-ons. For me, that's not much of a problem, because pretty much everywhere that I'm not driving and can use my phone there's a wi-fi network I can access, so I very rarely use GPRS (can't use 3G at the minute cos I have a Wizard).
I can see this being pretty useless tho if you ever use GPRS or 3G internet, as I've noticed most pages loading about 150-200kb on average, so that's only gonna be about 10 sites with the 2mb package :-/ I guess it depends on what you use it for, and like I said, it probably wouldn't bother me, but it'd be nice to have 3G and be able to use it without paying a bundle!
There's not much chance of O2 selling the Kaiser tho, and although O2 in general have been pretty good to me for about 10 years, they don't seem overly fussed with PDA phones in general (they never did an AKU 3.x upgrade for the Mini S, and stuck at 2) and are slow to upgrade models, so I'm gonna check around when my contract's up and just try and move my number wherever I go.

Bit of a knee jerk reaction... but I think I'm already sold on T-mobile.
I just need to check coverage because I work in a few remote locations.

Crikey Mate!
I work in the sticks - but according to T-mobile's website there 3G coverage is at absolute maximum in my area plus very good @ home and the other sites I work...
Really do have no excuses now

I'm also on O2 and my contract is running out in December....T-mobile seems like a good bet IMO....what's the Kaiser named on T-Mobile?

budo*85 said:
I'm also on O2 and my contract is running out in December....T-mobile seems like a good bet IMO....what's the Kaiser named on T-Mobile?
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When it gets released, it will be branded as the MDA Vario 3 I think

myk_83 said:
I've been hoping since I first saw the Kaiser that O2 would be picking it up to release this year, as my contract runs out in November so I was going to upgrade to it then...
But since they've only just released the TyTN as the XDA Trion in the last couple of months, and that phone has been with every other network for over a year, I doubt very much they'll replace their "flagship" phone I suppose with a new one inside 6 months :-(
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I have no information on this at all, just an opinion. The Kaiser is a direct replacement for the Exec, which is 2 years old & can't be selling much now. There is a definite case for O2 to replace the Exec with what is essentially HTC's best ever product & one that would generate them considerable revenues especially data. If I was XDA product mgr at O2 I would be selling the Kaiser straight away.
The matter of data charges is somewhat irrelevant to O2's ability to market this product - anyone who use significant date on O2 should have one of their data tarrifs, mine is for 36Mb per month, I usually have a little left over each month & I leave my emails on all the time & I look at lots of web sites each day.
Either way, I really hope that O2 do market the Kaiser.

I thought that the Omni was going to be the successor of the Exec (Universal), while the Kaiser was the next gen Trion (Hermes).
I'm basing this guess entirely on looks, of course...
Also, I thought that O2 had just got some shiny new XDA device in, as well as their Cocoon. I can't see them getting another (better) device in to overshadow them.
I'm happy to jump ship to T-Mobile, as the O2 data rates are extortionate.

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I thought that the Omni was going to be the successor of the Exec (Universal), while the Kaiser was the next gen Trion (Hermes).
I'm basing this guess entirely on looks, of course...
Also, I thought that O2 had just got some shiny new XDA device in, as well as their Cocoon. I can't see them getting another (better) device in to overshadow them.
I'm happy to jump ship to T-Mobile, as the O2 data rates are extortionate.
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t-mobile suck ass for service tho!
my gf has so many problems with the customer services, network coverage etc etc

Well, my choice appears to be:
Stay with O2 and get no TyTN II (or get it SIM free, which is expensive)
Switch to Orange, Vodafone or T-Mobile and get it on contract.
My O2 contract runs out at the end of September.
Interesting...

according to the announcement today, the group that owns O2 will be getting it, so you may be in luck if you hold on with your current contract.
personally i'd move to tmo, they're pretty committed to developing all their 3G services

Expansys appear to be able to sell the Kaiser on O2 & Voda contracts, might be worth a call.
http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=258736&view=findpost&p=840064
Gordon

Who else is still waiting for the O2-uk tytn ii?

Alrite, O2 users
let's see who else is in my position
My O2 contract is over
still with O2
being stupidly patient with them not even having a confirmed release date for their version of the kaiser or the rumored XDA Stellar
being so tempted to move to T-mobile
even been offered a fantastic deal
PLUS t-mobile is using HSDPA and have the best mobile browsing tarrif and service
only thing is,
the t-mobile version of the fone is UGLY
and also
im pray pray praying that O2 retentions would give me a better deal, AND maybe they would come out with a better looking version of the phone.... that way i can myself the hassle of moving my number around
all i can do now is wait
what do u guys think?

I switched to T-Mobile on a WNWplus tariff. When I phone O2 to cancel, they offered me £100 credit on my bill plus lower tariff than currently. But since they could not even tell me IF the Kaiser was coming out, I switched. Got my MDA Vario III in 48 hours and my number was ported in a week or so (until then I used call diverts to my temporary number).

I'm waiting. It's a work phone upgrade so I don't have a choice on the network.
I've just had to ask them to wait to do my upgrade

Thought i was the only one....
NO You are not alone!
I too have been waiting patiently, and ive gotten rather frustrated too, i called up o2 and have not been told when the phone is coming out or if it will even come out.
Im not sure if i should just go to expansys and get the phone from there. But then ive also been advised to wait since if o2 DO release the phone they might offer a better deal...
Im very happy you started this thread.. i thought i was the only one waiting..
btw, november 19th is the "latest" release that ive heard of..... (ive also heard dec/jan... i guess noone actually knows)

I just spoke to them and they said Nov to me as well

guys dont want and just switch to t-mobile.
Even if you get kaiser in o2 Data plan is rubbish - 200 or 300 megs only...
i know it sounds a lot but with tmobile unlimited data plan there is so much less to worry about.
after more than a year having wizard on o2 and now having kaiser on tmob i'm finally discovering what a pda is really for! email on the move, browsing internet whenever i wish to, listening to favourite internet radio on the way to uni and many more.
and hsdpa.. omg how fast it is... I'm lucky to be from Edinburgh where whole city is covered with Hsdpa range!

mattwong2120 said:
only thing is,
the t-mobile version of the fone is UGLY
and also
im pray pray praying that O2 retentions would give me a better deal, AND maybe they would come out with a better looking version of the phone.... that way i can myself the hassle of moving my number around
all i can do now is wait
what do u guys think?
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I switched from O2, since I figured December at the earliest for the XDA Stellar - they don't want to poison their precious iPhone launch, do they?
The T-Mobile phone is a thing of beauty. It's not the cool black look of my XDA Exec, but it's actually very nice. The pictures don't do it justice, IMO.
O2 retentions tried to fob me off with a crappy 200Mb for £7 deal. When I pointed out that T-Mob gave me 5 times as much, he simply assured me that based on my current usage (nil) I'd never go over that. He didn't have a comeback when I said the reason I didn't use their data at the moment was because it was horrifically expensive.
He did offer me about 50 minutes for £8 per year, but that was just to keep my number on their books, and I wanted to transfer it over, so I declined that one.
Also, O2 are downgrading their networks from 3G to EDGE so that the iPhone can get better-than-GPRS speeds. T-Mob are upgrading to HDSPA - it's even in Macclesfield! (well I was impressed )
Also, as mentioned, T-Mob give you 5x as much data per month as O2.
I switched.
Think about it.

I had a line with both I was tempted to wait till o2 got there act together but as I already used my orbit with my t-mobile chip, the choice was simple.
I wanted to see if o2 were going to get the device looking as good as the orbit, but I am glad I didn't wait as the device is so much better than I could have imagined.
The speeds are amazing in comparison, not worth the wait go with t-mobile imho.
Only benefit with possible o2 issue is the all black looks (like orbit) but by the time that comes out better options will already be on the horizon.

Why not get a Vodafone v1615 (Kaiser)? It has a beautiful shiny black back and looks really nice.
I got it for free because my bill this month was quite big

Today O2 announced that they are going to drop the 200mb FUP.
So unlimited will really mean unlimited.
I don't know if that only applies to iPhone customers (unlikely) or everyone.

Hi Just like to say i too am waiting , waiting waiting zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz for it on O2 UK as the T-Mobile service around my home and in London City is still appaling.
ive asked o2 if teh 200meg FUP is lifted for all users but have had no reply as yet.

The Register think it'll (at least to start with) be for iPhone customers only.
What does this mean? GPRS and EDGE only. So it's harder to download more, since you're getting it so much slower than HSDPA.

I get HSDPA on O2 now in London. They are rolling it out.
Strange thing is, I only get H on my phone when i am actually using the data.

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Strange thing is, I only get H on my phone when i am actually using the data.
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I belive that is how it is meant to work.
My contract is up in a month so I am waiting to see what o2 do. My mate who is an asst manger in an o2 store told me Dec/jan
So will have to see
Kimbie

I didn't wait, and even forfeited a month of my contract. Apart from the lack of the XDA Stellar and 200Mb limit, I've also noticed O2 have deliberately invested in sponsorship deals such as The O2, as oposed to new technology. The iPhone is a prime example of their lack of commitment, as they have taken the 'easy' technology option.

I checked today and the O2 XDA Stellar (IE TyTn II) should be avaliable on the 27th of november. this is subject to the clearance of current stock of the XDA Trion (original TyTn).
also the 200mb limit isnt really invoked only if you use around 1GB will anything be checked as the codes to add this to the system show a 1024mb limit in place on the £7.50 bolton

Oh well got a Vario 3 now on TMob
Kimbie

I got mine as an O2 upgrade a month ago from here and it's the original HTC phone, much better than the crap O2 will probably roll out themselves
http://www.theorder.co.uk/o2/upgrades/deals/HTC/TyTN II/O2-Upgrade

I rang 10 days ago to get a PAC code to transfer to my Orange Tytn II. They offered me the Stellar on November 19th for free with unlimited data for £7.50 a month with 500 mins and 500 texts on a 12 month contract for £25pm
The Orange Tytn II is going back tomorrow as the reception is awful where I live and work, which in turn is killing the battery.
I'm hoping the rollout hasn't been pushed back.

hi there?
they're giving out offers for the stellar ALREADY?!
that's not fair
i called them 2 days ago for my pac code and the best they can do to make me stay is saying to me "well, it's up to you..."
who did u call? o2 retentions or xda
did they promise they will have it delivered by the 19th?
and... how the heck duz the stellar look like?
hummmmm

OMG... i'm drooling over here

http://www.intomobile.com/2008/04/2...to-sprint-with-vga-touchscreens-and-wifi.html
Raphael
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1306

I am not a huge fan of its blockly looks but the size looks good as does the screen. I am much more in like of its clock speed and ram (hope its all there for the most part ) but I dumped Srint and wont go back to them for a long time after the crap they became.

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I am not a huge fan of its blockly looks but the size looks good as does the screen. I am much more in like of its clock speed and ram (hope its all there for the most part ) but I dumped Srint and wont go back to them for a long time after the crap they became.
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Out of curiosity, why did you drop Sprint? I think the coverage is really good around here, and a hell of a lot faster than Tmobile. The SERO looks really good.

bigflavor said:
Out of curiosity, why did you drop Sprint? I think the coverage is really good around here, and a hell of a lot faster than Tmobile. The SERO looks really good.
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I am not a fan of T-Mobile, but Sprint was in a CEO fireing / putting in a new one and for about a year had zero new phones release and no support for what they had. They kept tweeking their billing and website. Since I only do billing online there was a two month period where I couldnt log in to the website because it told me I must register, I had been registered for two years. Called for help and they said just pay the paper bill this month....I dont get a paper bill They said we'll get back to you and never did lol. Ended up spending 20 minutes in a store trying to pay my bill while the 10 year old employees had to figure out what to do, ended up having to call someone for help lol. I can understand stupid / new workers but someone in the store should know whats going on.
When I started with them I was very happy but then in the last two years they just dropped the ball on customer service, support and quality. The network itself I never had any real problems with. Most network issues I had were usually the handset they only sold for a few months and then never supported hehe.
Someday I could go back, however Verizon has it more together at the moment, and I am actually very pleased with the price and help / support I have gotten from AT&T. Ontop of the fact I like just buying whatever phone I want that works on the frequencies and not having to diddle about with the provider is nice. I love the REV-A speed possibilities but HSDPA has good speed which for me at the moment will be more than I need when they roll it out here. Coverage has not really concerned me in the last 3 - 4 years since almost everywhere has coverage of some sort.

F SPRINT
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Out of curiosity, why did you drop Sprint? I think the coverage is really good around here, and a hell of a lot faster than Tmobile. The SERO looks really good.
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I quit Sprint with a zero balance on my account... I checked my credit report a while after that and Sprint put on a $75 charge for no reason and went to collections... tried to get it off but nobody would fess up. I gave up! F-Sprint for ever!

sprint in my area sucks the Coverage and the customer service so far t mobiles customer service has bin real good to me and the Coverage is ok

So DONE with Sprint!

So I guess this is more of a rant than anything but I am SO damn pissed off about it. I have had Sprint a little over a year and half and unfortunately made the choice to upgrade early so my contract is still quite long at this point. Anyway, I live in Albuquerque New Mexico and am SO fed up with the slow spotty service, not having any data 80% of the time and the other 20% being SUPER slow 3G/!1X. Is there anyway to get out from under the contract without paying the ETF? I mean I drove 10 miles the other night re-sending a text because the service is just that bad in my area. Good friend of mine has T-Mobile and gets a super reliable 25 mbps down with 4G while I'm lucky to get .2 mbps on Sprint's 3g. End rant!

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No way of getting out of ETF, trust me I tried. They told me as long as it shows you have coverage where you live and all that there's no way out without the ETF. You could just stick your phone on roam only and torrent a bunch of crap. Eventually they'll get tired of the data you use while roaming and kick you off I believe.
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So I guess this is more of a rant than anything but I am SO damn pissed off about it. I have had Sprint a little over a year and half and unfortunately made the choice to upgrade early so my contract is still quite long at this point. Anyway, I live in Albuquerque New Mexico and am SO fed up with the slow spotty service, not having any data 80% of the time and the other 20% being SUPER slow 3G/!1X. Is there anyway to get out from under the contract without paying the ETF? I mean I drove 10 miles the other night re-sending a text because the service is just that bad in my area. Good friend of mine has T-Mobile and gets a super reliable 25 mbps down with 4G while I'm lucky to get .2 mbps on Sprint's 3g. End rant!
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bvang89 is correct. This is what i'm doing, have already gotten the letter in mail saying if roaming doesn't stop they'll drop me. If LTE shows up in my area like it shows on their map, roaming will stop.

We've had terrible service in our area for about a month. First rep told us that it would be fixed in 72 hours. Second rep told us that it was literally just fixed, a week later. Third rep told us that the towers were still being repaired and that they didn't know when it'll get fixed, but they'll take a comparable credit off our bill (10%, real ****ing comparable). Her supervisor told us that we were lying, that our problem had been fixed two days after the initial call, and that our phones had 99% to 100% functional.
Sprint can **** off.

Same crap in Minnesota. I will switch to t mobile after my contact is up. The service may be just as bad,but at least it will be cheaper.
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File a complaint with the BBB, you will get a phone call in about 3-5 days and tell them you are done. They will waive your ETF.
They told me the LTE upgrade will be complete in my area in January. And they offered me a hefty discount on my service until then. I also have it set to review the same case in the end of January and if its not better I'm out of sprint as well.

This is a bad year for anyone to be in sprint but I monitor service trender every day and all across america they truly are working on the towers. Pretty much all of them. Its called network vision. Things will get a lot better for most people and in the meantime you can easily get an airrave device for free. Works great. We have tons of customers that's been getting the device recently due to all the upgrades and say it works perfectly. It won't get you out of your etf but it will give you service in your home. You can also call retentions and they WILL give you credits on your bill because of this. I had several call and one got as much as a $200 credit and all he said was "I'm dropping calls and I rely on this for work". They even overnighted an airave to his home
Retentions: ( 888 ) 273-9460
Airrave: ( 855 ) 405-4098
Both those numbers are direct numbers to a live person. Be nice at first. Explain the situation. If you don't like what you hear at first explain more thoroughly the importance of the matter and if you still can't get your issue resolved then threaten to cancel port to another carrier on your next day off from work.
In the meantime watch or listen to "cell phones and flying" by Louis CK
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You should not be expecting to do any downloads / streaming on 3G. Should be ok for emails and maps, though.
As for your texts not going through, are you sure your roaming settings are set properly?

Does anyone have experience with Sprint in South Beach, Miami? I'm going there for a few months starting in Jan so I was hoping it's not terrible lol. Do they even have LTE there?

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Does anyone have experience with Sprint in South Beach, Miami? I'm going there for a few months starting in Jan so I was hoping it's not terrible lol. Do they even have LTE there?
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South florida for the most part has pretty decent LTE service, though I will say that I've tested all over my area (West Palm Beach), and have gotten a high of 31down/13up and a low of 6down/3up while showing LTE service on my device. I will offer one caveat...it's usually hit or miss INSIDE buildings.
I've complained to Sprint when I couldn't get a phone I bought for my daughter to hands free activate properly inside my house due to lack of service. I was asked about an Airrave device, but it seemed more that they were looking to SELL it to me than GIVE it to me. I honestly should demand it, as I routinely drop calls inside my house or have to walk outside to continue talking. I must say that even though the service I get with my discount through my company isn't extreme given the number and type of devices I have and the data we use, I still sometimes feel like I'm not getting a very good value.

limache said:
Does anyone have experience with Sprint in South Beach, Miami? I'm going there for a few months starting in Jan so I was hoping it's not terrible lol. Do they even have LTE there?
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http://www.sensorly.com/map/2G-3G/US/USA/Sprint/cdma_310sprint

Th3Bill said:
South florida for the most part has pretty decent LTE service, though I will say that I've tested all over my area (West Palm Beach), and have gotten a high of 31down/13up and a low of 6down/3up while showing LTE service on my device. I will offer one caveat...it's usually hit or miss INSIDE buildings.
I've complained to Sprint when I couldn't get a phone I bought for my daughter to hands free activate properly inside my house due to lack of service. I was asked about an Airrave device, but it seemed more that they were looking to SELL it to me than GIVE it to me. I honestly should demand it, as I routinely drop calls inside my house or have to walk outside to continue talking. I must say that even though the service I get with my discount through my company isn't extreme given the number and type of devices I have and the data we use, I still sometimes feel like I'm not getting a very good value.
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Lol that sounds like the ATT experience for me in NYC...I could never make phone calls in my house. I always had to go outside to make calls, even in the winter! That's why I can't use ATT anymore. I've always heard good things about Verizon, except that it's the most expensive carrier out there but I've never heard anyone complain about reception or service though.

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Lol that sounds like the ATT experience for me in NYC...I could never make phone calls in my house. I always had to go outside to make calls, even in the winter! That's why I can't use ATT anymore. I've always heard good things about Verizon, except that it's the most expensive carrier out there but I've never heard anyone complain about reception or service though.
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I'd never use VZW or ATT.
VZW is the choice of my ex-wife, hence they are the devil and are to be destroyed or at least avoided at all cost.
ATT screwed me over back when first gen IPhone came out....after 2 months, I decided the device was stupid and sold it to someone for the exact same $300 I paid for it (sucker)....called ATT and cancelled the line....well, they left it open for 5 more months (of course not sending me a bill so I would KNOW this), then sent me to collections for the $300 bucks. Hence, they are the devil and are to be destroyed or at least avoided at all cost.

Th3Bill said:
I'd never use VZW or ATT.
VZW is the choice of my ex-wife, hence they are the devil and are to be destroyed or at least avoided at all cost.
ATT screwed me over back when first gen IPhone came out....after 2 months, I decided the device was stupid and sold it to someone for the exact same $300 I paid for it (sucker)....called ATT and cancelled the line....well, they left it open for 5 more months (of course not sending me a bill so I would KNOW this), then sent me to collections for the $300 bucks. Hence, they are the devil and are to be destroyed or at least avoided at all cost.
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Haha dropping that ex bomb is always funny haha I feel ya buddy
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marksedge said:
Haha dropping that ex bomb is always funny haha I feel ya buddy
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It's all good. Second wife is very much an upgrade over the last one, so I have no complaints here
Also got 2 beautiful little girls from it

Th3Bill said:
It's all good. Second wife is very much an upgrade over the last one, so I have no complaints here
Also got 2 beautiful little girls from it
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It's always good to upgrade. ?
Sent from my lair.

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It's always good to upgrade. ?
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Yeah...and I didn't have to pay to upgrade my device...oh wait, yes I did...it was called alimony hahaa

Th3Bill said:
Yeah...and I didn't have to pay to upgrade my device...oh wait, yes I did...it was called alimony hahaa
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You ALWAYS pay one way or another
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Cheaper to keep her
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How much does an Early upgrade really cost?

Not just about the LG Flex, but I thought this was an interesting story about what early upgrades actually cost...
Mods move this if its not ok to stay here.
http://recode.net/2014/05/15/att-t-...which-carrier-has-the-better-upgrade-program/

wase4711 said:
Not just about the LG Flex, but I thought this was an interesting story about what early upgrades actually cost...
Mods move this if its not ok to stay here.
http://recode.net/2014/05/15/att-t-...which-carrier-has-the-better-upgrade-program/
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I have been with each of the big four since 2001. Honestly I would only consider Sprint or T-Mobile because they are the only ones that still offer unlimited data. I've read that t-mobile will throttle data speed down but I have never experienced that and I use significantly more data than the average user. Having been with all 4 at some point I would have to say T-Mobile has the best offer(includes insurance) with "jump". In reality we always paid full price for our phones. That's why they had 2 year contracts with hefty ETF's. I understand why the ETF was so high. Obviously coverage is important so that might eliminate some choices. When I was with Sprint I had to use a Verizon prl on occasion just to have the ability to make/receive calls. Sprint also has horrible 3g speed on average. When my D959 loses connection with LTE it falls back to their fake 4G(really 3G) and I still get 4-5 Mbps. Sorry for rambling off topic

I feel the same way; I always liked Sprint too, but even their "upgraded" network needs alot of work.
Chicago is one of their main cities, but we had to dump them recently, since we couldnt make calls from inside our house..
Tmobile has been fantastic for us so far, and I cant imagine leaving them unless Sprint ends up buying them...god, lets hope not..

Is no one catching the BS in that article? She is including the monthly charge for usage I.e. mins for talk time , data, text. Take Verizon for example, if you didnt do the early upgrade subsidized plan then you would pay $200 upfront for that phone on new contract or upgrade. Then add that to their $90 a month plan for one year= 90x12= $1280 a year. Then add the $200 new customer or upgrade const for the phone and you get $1480 total cost. Not much different when you do it like that. The monthly cost for usage shouldn't be a factor or even added into the equation. That's bad journalism. Grasping at anything to do a story. And lack of common sense really.
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I guess they are just trying to show what it costs per year, per phone, on each provider; its not like you would get a phone and not have service on it..
We all know Verizon is the worst when it comes to emptying money from your pocket, and this shows that as well..

With att i pay 26.47 a month for 26 months. I pay t g e cost of the phone for the upgrade. 26.47 aint bad at all