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I cant help, but I am "slowly" getting more and more convinced not to buy a Diamond because of the apparent issues I continue to find.
First I found out about the display issue which is (also officially) said to happen only with too much pressure (what exactly is too much), although some reported them as well and stated to have taken care. Now it seems there is yet one more issue with the backlighting respectively the hardware itself.
Would you say I am exaggerating and those issues are normal ones which happen to some extent on all phones or is my upcoming impression right that the Diamond might be a true beta product - it's not that those issues are exactly minor ones?
Please let me know your true and objective (please no fanboyism in either way ) opinion.
all I can say is these forums get a lot more of
"I have a problem"
then
"my diamond is working fine and i would not change a thing"
happy users
1 never come here
2 try to help others
If you come to a forum where people are seeking help with their phone then unsuprisingly you are gonna find alot of people with phone problems they would like help with.
This is true for all devices from phones to cars, and will always give the impression that the device has many flaws. In the bigger picture far more people are happy with their diamond than reading here will have you think.
i believe that the diamond really is a great smartphone, (no fanboyism) and that it really delivers a great bunch of possibilities, especially when paired with xda developers it migth tend to be a little slow sometimes though. and sometimes even slower... but the first problem you described, ive never heard of before, and i do not believe you will experience this without trying to do it, or if you by accident throws a rock at the display (accident???) the second problem sounded like a flash of a custom rom gone wrong, which doesnt really have anything to do with the phone, but more with the person behind the phone
these 2 problems that you talk about seems like some that only happens if you doesnt take a little care of your phone, and i do not believe that these should make you worry about getting a diamond. but you might want to consider buying a diamond2 instead, since its about to get released
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Thanks for all your responses so far, of course the argument of complainers being louder is valid, but I suppose I am particularly worried here because the two mentioned issues seem to be quite common - among the complainers at least - and seem to be rather major issues and not like a minor one such as a buggy software.
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but the first problem you described, ive never heard of before, and i do not believe you will experience this without trying to do it, or if you by accident throws a rock at the display (accident???)
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Usually I am not using rocks , but there are also quite a few in the mentioned thread who have stated to never have mistreated the display. Of course its not easy to verify this claim but I have to admit it makes me worry.
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the second problem sounded like a flash of a custom rom gone wrong, which doesnt really have anything to do with the phone, but more with the person behind the phone
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I'd have assumed that too, however it doesnt seem to have taken place immediately after flashing but a few days later and a few even mentioned it happened without any flashing at all.
Hojlind said:
these 2 problems that you talk about seems like some that only happens if you doesnt take a little care of your phone, and i do not believe that these should make you worry about getting a diamond. but you might want to consider buying a diamond2 instead, since its about to get released
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What attracts me particularly to the Diamond is its size. It is one of the smallest Windows Mobile phones available. The Diamond 2 is already noticeable larger and so I'd then opt for the HD right away.
I've had so many devices I can't remember how many, from pocket pc's to the diamond I've just been randomly given free, not on upgrade .. just a random gift.
First impressions - after having it for 6 hours:
Looks great, I like the candybar format, after the Vario III it's .. novel.
The screen is a vast improvement over the last generation of screens.
The camera produces usable images, the Vario III didn't. haven't tried video but the new drivers seem to be doing their job.
GPS lag has not been tested on the road but tomtom picked up a signal quickly enough.
I've not yet experienced the dropped call when answering because of the end call nonsense on the screen. If I do there is a workaround.
The Compact IV won't open a full 300mb Memory Map file, I've had to break the maps down into bite size chunks for it.
After using the vario III for a long time I've never used more than 3.5GB, despite having a 6GB card so I won't miss the lack of memory card.
I didn't use the keyboard of the other phones I used to the lack of it is welcome.
On balance, I would recommend this phone but a novice would quickly be frustrated and that's mostly down to interface quirks which you get used to after a while, and here's usually a workaround for most problems, except a duff driver.
Why the people at HTC and t-mobile don't just farm the ROM dev out to xda-dev is beyond me.
The developers here do a better job, quicker and cheaper than the bunch of talentless spods employed by the various co's who make the devices. Although, I might be being too harsh on the spods, they probably do a great job but get stymied by the suits.
Could I recommend the Diamond ? Yes.
Diamond is the best WM device I've ever used...
Mine's been bumping around in my pocket for the last 10 months, dropped a couple of times, lives in a (padded) bumbag when I'm trail riding my pushbike and generally been used rather a lot - but never abused.
In my previous job role I managed 1500 WM devices for an SME (sig...) and I can say with the absolute certainty of someone who has been there for a living that the kind of hardware failures that get reported here are almost unheard of in any WM devices that haven't been physically mistreated or had roms flashed in a hamfisted way.
Sitting down a couple of times with a touchscreen phone in the front pocket of a tight pair of trousers will always flex the device just enough for the display to fail somewhere down the line - usually long after the offender has left our employ and the device has been passed on to the next user...
Mind you I'll probably pick up a Touch Pro 2 when my contract is up for renewal...
I had one for a few months and didnt like it.
I am not remotely clued up on the technical side of things so this is very much a laymans report:
It had lots of features I liked but on the whole the phone was too much hassle and its cons outweighed its pro's. (the poor camera, the "black screen" when on the phone thing, the poor on/off button on the top, the poor lock/unlock system. But i loved the interface of the phone.
Swapped it for a LG Renoir and miss the Diamond, but they both have things the other doesnt. So I am no better off.
When will someone make the perfect phone? lol
The Diamond is excellent if you can handle it meaning you have really get into tweaking. Out of the box I would not recommend it but if you are willing improve it on your own by using the helpful programs of this forum than it's an excellent choice.
I have had several PDA phones: Sansung i700, i730, i760, HTC Mogul. Of those I loved the i760 with it's number keypad (granted it had it's issues also). Hated the Mogul (low memory issue and slow). The Diamond I consider an outstanding phone. My biggest issue is the lack of responsiveness of the screen. Takes some getting use to. I did the registry changes but didn't notice a real difference. Compared to the other PDA phones I mentioned I love the display quality, size, look, feel, and $10 internet with Sprint. Perfect phone for me. The battery life I can deal with. I have a cradle with a spare battery, a car charger and spare charger at work so I'm always prepared. By the way the battery life seems to have gotten better with the latest ROM update. I could recomend it but I always let people know of the battery issue, screen responsiveness and still having problems with time issue here in Arizona (changes by an hour every once in a while for some reason).
eurofan said:
The Diamond is excellent if you can handle it meaning you have really get into tweaking. Out of the box I would not recommend it but if you are willing improve it on your own by using the helpful programs of this forum than it's an excellent choice.
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I second that!!!
It wasn't great out of the box. But now.... I love tweaking/flashing and would recommend it to anyone.
Although, if your thinking of purchasing a diamond, personally, I would wait till the 'Touch Diamond 2' is released.
I agree with alot of the comments
Basically the HTC Diamond, or it many variants, is an excellent device (and I have had many many many devices).
What it has going for it:
1. Size
2. Weight
3. Fantastic screen
4. Looks nice and cute/good form factor
5. Well made
Issues:
6. Battery should have been bigger - not really an issue for me as I have a charger at work and home. I tend to charge every two days unless I have been using it intensly and then top up on the day (normally I top up if on 2 bars).
7. Shipped firmwares in the UK are mostly pants!
8. No card slot. Now I want to be clear about this, if you are just installing programs and/or data the 4GB storage is absolutely fine, more then enough in fact. It also is good for a small set of videos or music. However, if you want to store large amounts of music or videos then this device is not for you!
Basically, if you upgrade the Diamond after purchase to one of the more excellent ROMs on this site, it will have a beautiful display and quick response.
Also, note that, unlike something like the HTC Touch, this is a premium device. Which means it has nice touches like the stylus is held in magnetically and also, when you pull the stylus out it automatically switches the display on.
In terms of the Diamond 2 issue, that is obviously a better device, but the price will reflect it, and the HTC Diamond is now looking very good value. Personally, I like buying phones at the end of their run, as the firmware and price are the best.
Lastly, the HTC Diamond is a bit of a cult device. Why is this important ? Because it means that the support on xda-developers is much better then the less popular devices. As the HTC Diamond's price goes down, this will just increase.
best rgds
i just seriously love my diamond..the price on ebay is going down at a rapid pace n yeah..i love it bcoz of all the tweakin u can do on it..
man oh man..on which other device can u get a "not yet working" android os as well as some iphone like stuff for unlockin, music etc..n u can just about change everything thats on the phone..
tht may be coz its my first ever windows mobile phone n i was suprised by the remote desktop..use it to play poker on facebook now!! wanna view tv for uefa cup late at night..no problemo..n the autofocus camera with a beautiful vga screen adds as the biggest pro as i snap pics of my college assignments that are readable on its vga screen
i am a little disappointed with the touch screen though..cos when in remote desktop full screen, u cannot reach to the minimize, maximize n close buttons.. though u can use another software but its the touchscreen fault as the 4 corners of the screen are difficult to tap..
but overall im very satisfied n recommend it to all
The diamond rules!!! Buy one!! Buy one now :d
I just bought one cheap,don't like the diamond 2,it has no d-pad and looks a fair bit bigger.
The screen quality (colours and contrast)from what I've seen on youtube against the likes of the HD is what made me keen on it.
I have been using O2 flames for the last 2 years,so the battery life will be something I'm used to.
Hopefully it isn't like the atom life I bought and ended up selling within a week
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I just bought one cheap,don't like the diamond 2,it has no d-pad and looks a fair bit bigger.
The screen quality (colours and contrast)from what I've seen on youtube against the likes of the HD is what made me keen on it.
I have been using O2 flames for the last 2 years,so the battery life will be something I'm used to.
Hopefully it isn't like the atom life I bought and ended up selling within a week
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good luck! the quality of the diamond is much nicer then the atom.
start off on a good foot with a good rom
had a diamond sinve day 1 of orange uk launch
once flashed........a great phone.
does everything i want and more....so its gets a 10/10 from me...
if thats worth anything to you
^^^ Fanboy...
My opinion is that the Diamond is a nice attractive phone in a good size. Having said that, there are 3 major flaws:
1. Battery life
2. Speed
3. Software
The software one is the most solvable, with the number of tweaks, ROMs and free apps available here. I've supplemented that with a large amount of commercial software in order to get the best possible experience but this is of course very expensive to do properly.
Diamond is very good phone, i think you will never regret if you will buy one.
About problem on screen and presure ( i have that problem ), i think it comes because, when need to open back for sim card or for battery. To open back we need to press screen.
Had a diamond around 9 or 10 months now, considered buying an HD or a few other wannabees but any time I consider buying a new phone I just need to look @ my diamond & I remember why it's so damn good, It's looks haven't been matched or surpassed yet & the so called newer updated htc 1's/ other makes aren't that much better IMHO in performance etc... oh yeah & their all big fat bricks !!!
I'm sticking to my precious DIAMOND for a while yet thx
Oh & BTW that htc update has finally finally fixed it's biggest/ annoying bug, my diamond hasn't skipped an mp3 track since I installed it, I think I'll keep mine forever now hehehehe...
So I'm about to get a Nexus 7 for Christmas, my other android device is the Tmobile LG G2x which I had since it was first released.
Anyway, I came to the Nexus 7 forum to read up on my upcoming device, lo and behold I see threads about tiny miniscule flaws like screen lift, screen flicker, crackling speakers when the volume is turned up etc. and many new owners returning their "flawed" devices in for a "perfect" one.
This gave me flashbacks of how it all started for the LG G2X. A lot of people found "imperfections" with the device and blew it totally out of proportion, and because one person posted a thread on what he percieved as a flaw, everyone else started to succumb to the power of suggestion and noticed these "awful flaws" too, and decided they were gonna return it in hopes of getting a "perfect" one.
We all know how this turned out. LG G2X started to get a bad reputation, even though it's still one of the best most powerful dual cores out. It was well ahead of it's time when it was released and had huge potential, but all the so called "flaws" brought prospective buyers to google the G2X only to find links to threads of "my G2x has this and that flaw", persuading people to think G2x was an inferior product when actually, those reported flaws were over exaggerated, just so the owners could return it for a "perfect" one.
My point is, how can you justify returning a brand new, mint condition, Nexus 7 just because you feel a .000001 mm screen lift to the left side? or because you turn up the volume on the speaker and hear some crackling because you're about to blow the speaker when you can just lower the volume?
I've worked retail before, and when customers return a product claiming it's defective, the store writes it up as one, get's full credit for the product and even though it's 100% functional and flawless they are required to trash the product. Imagine how much money you'll make ASUS or Google lose and then they'll cut their losses and withdraw support for a great product, just like what happened to the G2X.
Come on people, don't go looking for flaws where there are none....
Totally true!
And of course it's also the fact that no body opens a thread to say "my n7 is working perfectly"
In my case, my N7 it's perfect and have never noticed one of those "flaws". The only thing, truth be told, it's that the speakers are "weak" in comparison with other devices, but that's not a flaw, it's a characteristic. Saying it's a flaw is like saying that the camera is a flaw because it's not an 8mp HD video recorder cam.
People should enjoy the devices instead to go looking things to complaint about
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I agree, i just noticed i have a screen lift on the let side and so does my friend. I pushed it back in and everything's fine. Its so minor (literally less then 0,2mm) that I really couldn't be bothered to go trough warranty for it (I also got it as a gift from UK and it would take months to get a new one). I had a screen lift on my previous Galaxy Spica, that was some screen lift it was well over the housing, it was annoying, but it didn't affect the touchscreen.
Also the speaker is small, I haven't had a device that wouldn't crack at high volumes, its not made for that. Again, if you're not happy, spend twice the amount of money for iPad. People forget that this is very cheap device for its performance and of course it comes at the cost.
I really like my N7 its fast and light. If you're thinking of getting one do so, don't let perfectionists with light case of OCD change your mind.
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This gave me flashbacks of how it all started for the LG G2X. A lot of people found "imperfections" with the device and blew it totally out of proportion, and because one person posted a thread on what he percieved as a flaw, everyone else started to succumb to the power of suggestion and noticed these "awful flaws" too, and decided they were gonna return it in hopes of getting a "perfect" one.
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i know exactly where your coming from.. idk too much about the g2x but my phone is a lg spectrum... first and last lg ill ever buy.. build quality is horrible... the one im using now is my 5th replacement.. the first only got data signal.. wouldnt call or text... the rest have all had bleeding on the edges of the screen.. plus lg and vzw tortured us about the ics update.
ive had my nexus 7 for a couple weeks now and i love it.. my only dislikes are no sd. and the fact that 4.1 and 4.2 put your files in different places.. other than that.. my N7 is the best device ive ever owned
Yeah. Another device where (especially initially after launch) bad user reports or bad reviews blew a bad rep out of proportion is the Acer A700. I have the device, and it's a really fine, really good working device with a gorgeous screen and great connectivity. Show me another device that - for 399 Euros! - offers that much!
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My point is, how can you justify returning a brand new, mint condition, Nexus 7 just because you feel a .000001 mm screen lift to the left side? or because you turn up the volume on the speaker and hear some crackling because you're about to blow the speaker when you can just lower the volume?
I've worked retail before, and when customers return a product claiming it's defective, the store writes it up as one, get's full credit for the product and even though it's 100% functional and flawless they are required to trash the product. Imagine how much money you'll make ASUS or Google lose and then they'll cut their losses and withdraw support for a great product, just like what happened to the G2X.
Come on people, don't go looking for flaws where there are none....
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I' m not sure about screen lift (don't have one) or crackling speakers (don't really care about built-in speakers). But I'm sure that screen flicker is a rather annoying issue, and it's bad for your eyes, too. This is like looking at an old CRT monitor @60hz, or even worse.
Actually, I do everything I can to keep the device. I've already bought Nvidia Prism toggle and Lux auto-brightness, none of which helped the issue. I also had to root and re-install my brand new tablet just to try these apps.
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The software of the G2x was a train wreck. Random reboots galore made the device almost unusable without a custom rom.
Nothing like the G2x IMHO.
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The software of the G2x was a train wreck. Random reboots galore made the device almost unusable without a custom rom.
Nothing like the G2x IMHO.
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Yep, quite a few issues on the software end, not so much hardware which is rare as a lot of LG products don't last hardware wise.
I do understand where you are coming from though OP. PERFECT N7 here!
Sent from a galaxy far away!
+1 on a "Practically Perfect In Every Way" Nexus 7 here.
Only things that make it imperfect is actually the software and not being able to run Java with Android....
Hardware it is "Practically Perfect In Every Way" aside from missing a rear facing camera....oh wait, I have a Nikon DSLR for that job.....
Glad to be rid of my O2X. The Galaxy S2 craps on it, nice thin form factor and not a chunky brick like the 2x.
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I agree with the whole over exaggerating minor flaws, but comparing the nexus 7 to the g2x not so much.
I had a g2x and actually sold it and went back to using my single core galaxy s 4g because the g2x was far too unreliable to use as a phone.
I now have a 32gb nexus 7 (flawless) and a gsm galaxy nexus and love both of them. Sure my gnex has a bit of purple tint at minimum brightness, but I would of just thought that's how the screen is if not for all the complaints.
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Perfect example of horrible support and bad rumors killing a great phone. Hardware was the best of its time but crippled by premature software.
Seriously though, it was pretty bad.
I can't even remember anything bad about it except it had screen bleed... and its bad software.
LG blamed Nvidia but Asus didn't have a problem keeping my Tegra 2 Transformer updated like twice a week. It had more software updates then Google's own Xoom.
Damn LG. I'm still iffy about LG devices that require updates.
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So I'm about to get a Nexus 7 for Christmas, my other android device is the Tmobile LG G2x which I had since it was first released.
Anyway, I came to the Nexus 7 forum to read up on my upcoming device, lo and behold I see threads about tiny miniscule flaws like screen lift, screen flicker, crackling speakers when the volume is turned up etc. and many new owners returning their "flawed" devices in for a "perfect" one.
This gave me flashbacks of how it all started for the LG G2X. A lot of people found "imperfections" with the device and blew it totally out of proportion, and because one person posted a thread on what he percieved as a flaw, everyone else started to succumb to the power of suggestion and noticed these "awful flaws" too, and decided they were gonna return it in hopes of getting a "perfect" one.
We all know how this turned out. LG G2X started to get a bad reputation, even though it's still one of the best most powerful dual cores out. It was well ahead of it's time when it was released and had huge potential, but all the so called "flaws" brought prospective buyers to google the G2X only to find links to threads of "my G2x has this and that flaw", persuading people to think G2x was an inferior product when actually, those reported flaws were over exaggerated, just so the owners could return it for a "perfect" one.
My point is, how can you justify returning a brand new, mint condition, Nexus 7 just because you feel a .000001 mm screen lift to the left side? or because you turn up the volume on the speaker and hear some crackling because you're about to blow the speaker when you can just lower the volume?
I've worked retail before, and when customers return a product claiming it's defective, the store writes it up as one, get's full credit for the product and even though it's 100% functional and flawless they are required to trash the product. Imagine how much money you'll make ASUS or Google lose and then they'll cut their losses and withdraw support for a great product, just like what happened to the G2X.
Come on people, don't go looking for flaws where there are none....
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I had a g2x and it was fine and even better with a custom ROM it could play any game and most games if not all were compatible but it was that phone that made me a flashaholic and we all know what happened all the developers got a galaxy nexus or galaxy s2 and we were left with settling for no longer updated GB Roms or the broken ics roms, I tried to learn how to build Roms but too hard for me, the nexus 7 on other hand I went through 2 before finding lucky number 3 without a major screen lift trust me the first was a moderate squeak when touching the lifted side then the second one was extremely bad and my third one was very light not even there really but overall I loved the device from the beginning to keep it instead of getting a refund
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Totally agree. Mine has backlight bleed but I really don't notice till the screen is totally black and still it minimal. I too have a g2x and loved it. But now because support is dropped for it it sucks a bit because everyone returned it and now things like Bluetooth and SOD because LG did a half assed update to shut ppl up. I figured out how to stop the SOD and don't really use Bluetooth often anyway (it does work in stock but I don't care to go back). Sorry form the bad typing its 4am here and I havnt slept yet lol
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While I can appreciate the OP's intention, I would have to respectfully disagree with his method of thinking.
The reality is many electronic devices have legitimate defects. To say that we should not discuss them or post threads about them is asinine IMO.
I feel this way for two reasons:
1. The user base on XDA is a fraction of the general public. And a minute fraction at that. To insinuate that a few overzealous posts could possibly hurt a giant conglomerate's business (all of these companies are huge in both the cellular and other markets, with the exception of a few smaller companies) is amusing. There is no way people discussing the flaws of the Nexus 7 is going to "hurt" Asus or Google. There is even less negative effect on companies like LG or Samsung because they are in so many markets.
2. Considering the above, the very small impact that these product criticisms have are needed to show mfg's that we are paying attention to the product quality, even if they aren't. In addition, we are going to raise awareness to others who may/may not purchase their product(s), and it may even end up in an Android news blog. This tells them that they can't just shove crap down our throats and expect us to praise them like some idiotic fan boy. This is needed to force them to adhere to stricter quality standards.
Just my two cents. Btw I love my Nexus 7. Carry on...
I think the issue, as the above post says, Is definitely a QC issue. Asus's motto is "Persistent perfection" which I have pointed out to the Asus techs in the service center here in Taiwan many times :victory: as I have brought in the various failed devices they have sold me over the years. I would like to take this argument to the next logical step. The screen lift at the outset means that the frame and screen are not joined correctly. The posts I've read say the bonding surface is only 2mm wide. This means that the device will likely have much worse separation issues as it ages. Yes, these gadgets weren't built to last millennia, only the life of their battery, which should be around two years. Two years wear and tear, a few drops later, will this device become unusable? Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you...Live by the sword, die by the sword, etc.
Agreed with this thread entirely. The Nexus 7 did endure some teething issues than cannot be denied (my original n7's screen had a constant grey wash over the screen i.e. blacks displayed as light grey :good But I had a great RMA process and my replacement has been perfect ever since.
The N7 did have screen lift but it was revised with revisions. In the early models it was prevalent because of the way it was manufactured.
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The N7 did have screen lift but it was revised with revisions. In the early models it was prevalent because of the way it was manufactured.
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Just my 2 cents here but I can't agree with this thread.
If a company is producing inferior quality products then the market will punish them for that, and rightly so. People pay hard earned cash for these products and if they rattle or have screen lift they are well within their rights to complain and return (the reason we have warranties) the product.
(I have a Nexus 7 and it's perfect btw)
This is one of the reasons Apple is a revered brand name among so many people, their pursuit of quality.
However I don't think the Nexus falls into the above category, it just had some teething problems. Also, judging by how hard it was for me to find one in stock there's no worry about it falling foul with customers.
I've noticed a plethora of complaints, ranging from HTC being notoriously bad with updates to gaps in the body of the device. Are these complaints worth not getting the phone, or are they just from people who need to complain and are blowing it out of proportion?
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I've noticed a plethora of complaints, ranging from HTC being notoriously bad with updates to gaps in the body of the device. Are these complaints worth not getting the phone, or are they just from people who need to complain and are blowing it out of proportion?
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I've had HTC devices for 11 years (apart from a 1 year break for iPhone 3GS). Yes, the software updates are slow, and always have been. But the after-sales service from HTC is very good. I've had a few phones repaired and replaced without any issues.
As for the HTC One, I don't have any gaps in the body of the device. I'm on my second One. I returned the first one to the network due to their poor coverage and moved to another network. I wouldn't have got a second One if the first device was not the best around. It really is the best phone IMO available. The build quality is fantastic (better than Apple devices, and I love my iPad) and Sense 5 is so much smoother and nicer than Sense 4.
I think vigoos comment is an indication that all the negative comments will come from Samsung owners.
I was only using the updates and the gap as examples. Reading through the forums, there have been loads of different complaints such as static when sound effects play and the back button sensitivity (which I know is supposedly getting fixed).
My point is the number of different complaints. I'm wondering if its just a bias given that only the people who will complain about it are the ones posting when its really a non-issue. So far the phone looks amazing, I just want to make sure I'm not surprised later on down the road with problems.
Yes, every device forum is full of problems.
razor thin gaps is a NON issue, those that complain about it quote the marketing info.
I have gaps on top and bottom lol but i don't see them, cos my focus is on the insanely sharp and awesome 4.7" screen
OP, this phone is insane, go check it out, so what if you have tiny gaps, it doesn't make any difference to how you use the phone!
Id go to a store, pick up and try the phones. There arent any real issues with the one.
Its a quality device, out of all the phones i looked at, it was easily the nicest
Id also like to point out, my last 3 iphones had more imperfections than my one
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I was only using the updates and the gap as examples. Reading through the forums, there have been loads of different complaints such as static when sound effects play and the back button sensitivity (which I know is supposedly getting fixed).
My point is the number of different complaints. I'm wondering if its just a bias given that only the people who will complain about it are the ones posting when its really a non-issue. So far the phone looks amazing, I just want to make sure I'm not surprised later on down the road with problems.
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BTW my post wasn't "aimed" at you so much just about the people who keep going on about HTC being awful when it comes to updates as it is a load of BS as pointed out by myself and other users. People simply think Samsung are far better in the update department because they were "first" to bring JB, don't know about you but there is far more to an update than just the time that it arrives. Obviously some companies take the piss when it comes to providing the update on a timely manner i.e. sony
Haven't seen many people complain about the sound, as for the capacitive buttons, that has been fixed/improved with 1.29.
I think there is a lot of confusion regarding the gap "issue" as people are expecting the one to live up to its marketing term "zero gap" but that only applies to the machined aluminium body part, the speaker covers aren't part of that process.
At the end of the day, you get a ton of paranoid people here, go on every device forum and you will see people expressing problems even the GS 4 sub forum. Also you only ever get people posting the bad stuff, hardly ever the good stuff.
There are always going to be issues with the first batch as they are rushed out and/or the manufacture process needs to be tweaked/perfected.
You get a phone that has a problem, return it for a replacement.
Considering the quality of the HTC one chassis, I would say that they have done a very good, HTC don't keep the same design for each phone and they put a lot of thought into it so to only have a few problems, as I said, they aren't even problems, simply imperfections, it is pretty impressive, Samsung have had the same design more or less since the GS 1 so have had time to perfect/improve the build quality and it is much easier to deal/work with plastic than aluminium
Good to see that HTC "might" be bringing the JB update to the sensation, should keep the HTC haters at bay regarding this area then........ (at least some of them anyway)
Rule #1, Update releases will never be fast enough for anyone in this forum.
That said I've used phones from every mfg and HTC is better than some not as good as others but they've improved IMO recently.
I would suggest buying a non-carrier branded version if you're in an area that can as those will generally get updates direct from HTC faster than a carrier branded version.
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It is THE ONE
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I've noticed a plethora of complaints, ranging from HTC being notoriously bad with updates to gaps in the body of the device. Are these complaints worth not getting the phone, or are they just from people who need to complain and are blowing it out of proportion?
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DISCLAIMER: this ofcourse is my own personal opinion.
It's true, the updates are slow, but you'll still get them even after a year. I think HTC is pretty good at repairing/replacing malfunctioning units, no complaints there. The HTC One build quality is insane, no flaws in my unit and if there's really a gap in the body of your device, I'm 100% sure HTC will replace or fix it.
My advice: if removable storage/battery are not a big deal to you, I can honestly say the HTC One is without a doubt the best smartphone out there, you won't be dissapointed. Reviews are insanely positive, saying it's near perfection. S4 only has some more software features which I don't see my self using (and the removable storage and battery ofc).
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Tell me one thing guys: Can't anybody start a thread here without some fanbois trying to fight their wars on it?
Get a life! Nobody cares if you like your phone more than any thing else. Just stay away!
If you read the OP (if you are capable only, ofc) you will see that he didn't ask for a comparison to any other phone. So stop that nonsense. Either answer the question he posted or stay out.
Sorry if there are already enough questions like this but this device launches in Canada on the 31st of October. I'm torn between this and the HTC One M8. Both are great devices, but this is the one that I want more due to it's size, battery, and camera. The phone I have right now has lasted me 2 years. I plan on having my next device last me 3-4 years, that's why I'm trying to buy one with the greatest battery life.
For the people who have this phone, do you think the phone would be able to last that long? I've seen many complaints about the phone from things such as the back glass cracking to a popping sound when pressing down on the screen. Is there a chance of the glass cracking in the winter time? Should I ignore those complaints and still buy this device when it launches or just go for the M8, even though it's a bigger phone than I want, because of its durable design? So basically, can people please tell me how their experience has been so far?
Also, would it be a better idea to buy it locally or have it shipped from Clove.uk?
Would you be able to answer the next question: When do you think you'll die?
Probably not.
So no one will be able to answer your question really.
In my opinion phones nowadays are made to last only 2 years or something, because technology moves so fast. There are many exceptions tho, I still see many people with their Samsung Galaxy S2 etc, because the phone can still do what they want and they really don't care about having the newest of the newest and the fastest of the fastest. I don't know what phone you have right now, but if you only have it for 2 years you would probably be able to use it for some more years without to many problems (unless you have hardware problems).
In every single Xperia forum (Since the Xperia Z) you'll see complaints about the glass, don't let them scare you away, complainers tend to come here faster then people without any complaints. Just use common sense and use a screen protector/case, the phone isn't made out of .... wait nvm. There is no indestructible material, so I don't know why people act as if their phones are. Of course there are also genuine people who really did nothing wrong with their phone, but we don't live in a perfect world, of course there will be manufacture errors.
Domestic vs International purchase... well... You might be off cheaper at sites like Clove, but when something is wrong with your device you might have to wait longer for your device to be returned to you.
You choose what's more important for you.
My old iPhone 5 never took a scratch to the front glass...it was a tank.
This phone already has a crack all along the back glass and extraordinarily...a scratch on the front glass. Must be made of weaker/ worse quality glass than the iphone 5....which I kept in my pocket with keys, threw around on tables, kept in backpacks with god knows what...and the screen never, ever scratched.
Good build and still going strong...the Z3 C....hmmmm...
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My old iPhone 5 never took a scratch to the front glass...it was a tank.
This phone already has a crack all along the back glass and extraordinarily...a scratch on the front glass. Must be made of weaker/ worse quality glass than the iphone 5....which I kept in my pocket with keys, threw around on tables, kept in backpacks with god knows what...and the screen never, ever scratched.
Good build and still going strong...the Z3 C....hmmmm...
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Hmm, but that's your own experience, I have witnessed like the opposite. In the end the only true comparison can be made when you look at stats.
I have seen many people with cracked iPhone screens. I have the Xperia Z and many people had cracked screens while to this day I don't have a scratch on my XZ.
AKA most of the time, these things are purely based on opinions.
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This phone better last be two years at least or I'll be very mad
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I always treat my phones like they're made out of glass. Probably because of that shiny flat panel on the front.
If you are to assume that your phone will not suffer any physical damage for 2 years. Would you still want to use it after 1 year?
Multiple things can affect this. Let's say you've owned the phone for a year.
1.) You as a person may have changed during this year, and you may decide what you wanted last year from a phone.. No longer matches what you want this year.
2.) we are on the cusp of 64bit mobile computing. With lollipop coming this November.
What does this mean? App development will evolve and your 32bit android L Z3c may stagger running those apps
I think it's reasonable to assume that most people will be happy with their mobile purchase for a year. After that.. Especially with this jump to 64bit apps it's anyone's guess.
To illustrate, would you be happy with a 32bit iPhone today?
The key things that will limit longevity:
Battery - Performance of most LiPo batteries will start to decline after two years of daily charge cycles.
Android updates - Few OEMs are committed to supporting devices with updates beyond two years.
Port covers - If you use any of them routinely, they'll likely wear out in less than four years.
Glass front/back - Usage dependent
Obviously there are ways to mitigate each of these potential issues. A case, screen protector, and mag charger will help with the wear and tear stuff. For the battery, budget for a replacement in two years. For Android, it's too soon to tell what your options will be. However, even in the worst case scenario, living without updates for two years (assume Sony will continue to support updates for the first two) isn't as bad as it sounds. When Lollipop starts rolling out to Nexus devices next month, most apps will still support KitKat and Jellybean.
Now, whether it's a good strategy to buy a flagship phone and replace it in four years or buy a second-tier device (like a Moto G) for half the price and replace it in two is a more difficult question to answer.
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Hmm, but that's your own experience
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Hmm, but that's your own experience
If you want to use your phone longer than 2 years (or, like me, you want to pass it on to your kids after your contract supplies you with a new phone after 2 years) than a phone wih removable battery is something to consider. My Samsungs (though butt-ugly compared to Sony) get a new battery after 2 years ( less than 20 buck) and are good to go for another 2 years.
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If you want to use your phone longer than 2 years (or, like me, you want to pass it on to your kids after your contract supplies you with a new phone after 2 years) than a phone wih removable battery is something to consider. My Samsungs (though butt-ugly compared to Sony) get a new battery after 2 years ( less than 20 buck) and are good to go for another 2 years.
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In terms of battery life yes, but when you look at pc's for example, they are getting more ram (because programs use more ram), more cores (because programs demand more). The same thing is happening in the phone world right now, looking at the transition from 32bit to 64bit phones.
My Z3 is still going.
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My Z3 is still going.
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my z3 compact is going strong too, with lineageos 17.1 installed, although battery has definitely seen better days, can say the same for the port cover, the rubber around the cap has worn down and it won't close anymore so I pulled the cap off because I find it annoying, seeking replacement.
Hey folks ,
So i got this phone in around november 2012 soon after it came out. It has been almost 4 goddamn years. During that time it has endured countless of abuses. I first dropped it in a toilet , which had just been used and not flushed. I fished it out and cleaned it thoroughly. It was still erratic , touchscreen did weird things and stuff. I opened it up and realized the board is completely wet and it had run like that for an entire day. I cleaned the board and let it sit through the night , the next day it worked without a hiccup. Then after a while i dropped it and broke the screen. I then replaced the screen with a new one i ordered off ebay. Then GPS didn't work for the longest time. Then i solved that problem which was caused by the digitizer interference. I documented it and shared it with you folks and many people fixed their gps problems with that. After a while i dropped it again and had to replace it again , but this time i knew what the problem was so i wrapped the digitizer with aluminium foil. It did not work. Turns out the new issue was grounding (which had already been pointed out in my thread by helpful folks over there) and my new assembly didn't come with grounding contacts so i had to make those. I made them out of laptop grounding sponges which are soft and conductive. It worked again. After a while the battery's voltage started to drop randomly causing all kinds of weird touchscreen behaviour and random reboots. I used it like that for like a year. I started developing kernels with the help of wonderful folks here who wrote really really useful guides. I didn't publish anything because this is a Nexus and people who are way better than me are developing for it in a capacity that i , at this current state , cannot match. Yet.
So today , i'm finally retiring my old mako. This is a very sentimental phone for me. It has seen me being wed , it has been there at the birth of my child , it's been there when my wife almost died and when i almost fell from a cliff. It's been the great partner in my many ways. So yea , i'll be hoarding the carcass , probably be showing that to my kids one day. I learned a lot from you folks and tried to give back in every little way possible. It's been a good , long ride. Thank you folks for everything.
Cheers!
May I ask why you chose the S7 Edge? IIRC it does not have an unlockable bootloader...
Wow, I was about to post something similar (a goodbye note of sorts) but if you don't mind I will just post it here instead of creating new thread.
Nexus 4 has been my daily driver since launch. I enjoyed the official run up to lollipop and now MarshMallow. (screen replaced 3 times, and usb port replaced 2. Every time it was my mistake)
My story is a bit different, I went with Honor 5x, a filler device, as I needed dual sim functionality until September. I am actually planning on getting the G5 then.
I will miss this phone and for now I am not sure I can let go of N4 completely because I still haven't used the honor 5x (it was shipped to my house today and I am at work). If I get a slight bad vibe from the Honor, I will be back to N4 in no time.
Sooner or later we had to part ways but I have to give it to LG for building this solid piece of device. In my books, the N4 will go down as one of the best Nexus device built to date (sorry 5x,6p,6 and 5).
I hope you enjoy your S7 Edge.
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May I ask why you chose the S7 Edge? IIRC it does not have an unlockable bootloader...
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Only the snapdragon version has an locked Bootloader.
Made the same switch after 3 years, but still using the Mako for some stuff. Especially since i haven´t unlocked my S7 Edge yet.
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May I ask why you chose the S7 Edge? IIRC it does not have an unlockable bootloader...
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One of the reasons i went with a Samsung device is , Samsung is the only manufacturer that actually does something about storage technology. Their flash chips are faster than anybody else , only rivaled by that of the iPhone which is also a samsung chip It's rarely mentioned in the reviews and largely ignored yet it is very important for a sleek UI experience. Also the fact that Exynos 8890 is a beast. The device performs without a damn hiccup. Impressive hardware. Btw , i got the international version. So , it's exynos for me. I'm already rooted
Touch Latency , Audio Latency and many more variables which are never mentioned in the reviews , those are very important. Samsung is one of the best in terms of those , again only rivaled by Apple. I'm actually thinking about writing an article about those features that nobody mentions. So that people pay more attention.
I'm using my HTC One M7 until it dies, but once in a while I'll charge up my Nexus 4 and use it for a day or two. It's still my favorite phone, I'm kind of wanting to simply save it and keep it in good condition while riding out my M7. It's a freaking fantastic phone. Perfect screen and in-hand size for my tastes, build quality can be a smidgen creaky once in a blue moon but otherwise really great. I'm always going to hold onto it even if I upgrade in the future as a backup, and like I mentioned it's my favorite phone, always has been and will be for quite some time yet. It's almost in flawless condition other than some small scratches on the back. Friend gave it to me for free after getting a OnePlus One, he bricked the hell out of it but I fixed it in about 2 hours and he said "Just keep it man, I have no use for it" xD
Cudos to you, you've really MacGyver'd that phone!