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Is there ever a stable ROM for DS?

I cannot neglect a fact after i tried so many roms by cyanogen: no one rom is so stable for everyday use.
for 1.6 , the 4.2.15.1 is the last version ,but you must wait a long time to make a normal call ,it is not standale, and it also had a missing sms issue.
for 2.1, i do not know if there is still a updated version after 5.0.8. the camera issue is still there , and also i encounter 2 times cannot-bootup issue (only reflash the rom again).
cyanogen's work is awesome , but i think the stable rom is so important for normal use. IS THERE ANY ONE?

I'd suggest downgrading to the engineering spl, downgrading to rc29 and then waiting for the official OTA to get back to the official ROM.
that's the only STABLE rom out there. the rest is put together, but I personally don't care as I like to make fun of my friends who bought the N1 because they said the g1 would never see froyo.

Living on the edge has it's costs
considering that you're probably using a G1 and I use first gen MT3G and the rate at which new improved phones are coming out in these quick and disposable times, I think it is absolutely amazing that we can stick with new phones, try out there interfaces before they're even released. You're not hacking and I'm not hacking hardcore, but we get faux hack thanks to work of all these people who aren't making a dime on these roms. All lot of these people start like you and me and by flashing learn more and more about these phones. For example, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that you can go about using superuser terminal, which is thanks to quite a few people who made it possible for noobs to root their phone in the first place, anyways, in terminal you can decide how much priority you give to the phone apk. Google it. Hell there's a guy on the sapphire forum who's give instructions on how to build your own stock froyo so you can tweak it however you want, check it out, I'm thinking about it.
I was diehard nokia fan up until they sold me a n95 that had 3g, just not here and told me there was nothing they could do about it. I thought their system was open....geez it was nothing compared to this android thing.
the one thing that bites my a** here is seeing response to roms where people have lost focus of important things like manners. I'm not saying this is you, but check it out. Guy like Chrome or such, works super hard releasing a rom every other day and somebody chimes in, wifi doesn't work, or camera is force closing, not a daily driver, I flashing back....What? I mean, how about a thanks for chance to check out something new or hey, how about asking why it might not work and learning the process. Think about it, these guys got to have a day job, cause they ain't making it selling roms or monitoring forums to teach some guy how to flash, but they do it and they don't complain. Very rare to find this kinda service today or even yesterday.
Welcome to the community and learn something about why your phone with a certain rom isn't functioning perfectly, I think you'll be glad you did.

Are you kidding me, how picky are you gonna be? Especially since we are still getting support for the G1. Maybe you would be better off with an iphone. I'm rockin CM6 and damn proud of it.
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a little peculiar,i admit. cyanogen did and does great job.
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I normally flash on a daily basis just for fun and I can tell there are many roms that can be used as a daily rom and stable
one of them is "Eclair" "Super D" for me everything I need is working and fast
there is also a Froyo Rom by LefeuDeDieu that work fast and stable
for 1.6 I found super E the fastest
so I would say You haven't found the right set up for your phone and your needs

Try cyas 6.0 (froyo 2.2) RC1 with the new gapps (FRF91-3).... it flys for me if you don't install too many apps and is very stable (in my opinion more stable than cyas 5.x). If you pump it with apps the internal memory gets low, no matter how much you move to sd or clear the cache (due to the froyo apps2sd method). You can try too get things better with setcpu (compcache made things worse for me), but with too much load cyas 6.0 turns very slow for me.
/edit ... with Firerats CustomParitions (solving the froyo apps2sd low memory issue) and the CM6 Build from studjuce (using launcherpro instead of adw) its as fast as hell :O even faster than Clay's CSDI ... oh man i guess i have a new daily driver :>
For donut (1.6) i prefer HTCClay's CSDI REMIX, which runs stupid fast no matter how much apps you install on your sd-ext. I personally found it faster than Super D / E. This is my daily driver since i randomly use Cyas 6.0.
I assume you have danger SPL since you installed cyas 5x. (if not ... beware )

Originalnexisone said:
considering that you're probably using a G1 and I use first gen MT3G and the rate at which new improved phones are coming out in these quick and disposable times, I think it is absolutely amazing that we can stick with new phones, try out there interfaces before they're even released. You're not hacking and I'm not hacking hardcore, but we get faux hack thanks to work of all these people who aren't making a dime on these roms. All lot of these people start like you and me and by flashing learn more and more about these phones. For example, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that you can go about using superuser terminal, which is thanks to quite a few people who made it possible for noobs to root their phone in the first place, anyways, in terminal you can decide how much priority you give to the phone apk. Google it. Hell there's a guy on the sapphire forum who's give instructions on how to build your own stock froyo so you can tweak it however you want, check it out, I'm thinking about it.
I was diehard nokia fan up until they sold me a n95 that had 3g, just not here and told me there was nothing they could do about it. I thought their system was open....geez it was nothing compared to this android thing.
the one thing that bites my a** here is seeing response to roms where people have lost focus of important things like manners. I'm not saying this is you, but check it out. Guy like Chrome or such, works super hard releasing a rom every other day and somebody chimes in, wifi doesn't work, or camera is force closing, not a daily driver, I flashing back....What? I mean, how about a thanks for chance to check out something new or hey, how about asking why it might not work and learning the process. Think about it, these guys got to have a day job, cause they ain't making it selling roms or monitoring forums to teach some guy how to flash, but they do it and they don't complain. Very rare to find this kinda service today or even yesterday.
Welcome to the community and learn something about why your phone with a certain rom isn't functioning perfectly, I think you'll be glad you did.
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Wow I gues you're tying to impress, being a newbie and all, but that's one aweome post... only part I don't get is the "welcome to the forums" in the last paragraph...

paaaaan said:
I cannot neglect a fact after i tried so many roms by cyanogen: no one rom is so stable for everyday use.
for 1.6 , the 4.2.15.1 is the last version ,but you must wait a long time to make a normal call ,it is not standale, and it also had a missing sms issue.
for 2.1, i do not know if there is still a updated version after 5.0.8. the camera issue is still there , and also i encounter 2 times cannot-bootup issue (only reflash the rom again).
cyanogen's work is awesome , but i think the stable rom is so important for normal use. IS THERE ANY ONE?
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Yes. Unroot your phone and get the official updates from t-mobile, sprint, etc. Problem solved, too easy...

paaaaan said:
I cannot neglect a fact after i tried so many roms by cyanogen: no one rom is so stable for everyday use.
for 1.6 , the 4.2.15.1 is the last version ,but you must wait a long time to make a normal call ,it is not standale, and it also had a missing sms issue.
for 2.1, i do not know if there is still a updated version after 5.0.8. the camera issue is still there , and also i encounter 2 times cannot-bootup issue (only reflash the rom again).
cyanogen's work is awesome , but i think the stable rom is so important for normal use. IS THERE ANY ONE?
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OP,
I am sorry for the flames you're receiving for asking a legitimate question. People on this board automatically make the assumption that users only want to use leading edge software. Xda has become very mainstream nowadays. News Media is driving everyday users here who just want an improved experience, but who dont necessarily understand the complexities of development. Does that mean they are not welcome? Absolutely not.
To answer your question, a rom based off donut or eclair will give you the results you are looking for. I specifically use zd donut 1.8 "got donut? " rom(ignore my signature)..... it is fast and stable. But so are the super e and supper d series roms. GivE them a go, you will be thankful. But every now and then flash a new rom just to check it out.
Good luck

Just my 2 cents
I am in the same boat, I like trying out new things but I need my phone for everyday use, that's why I picked up a spare G1 with cracked screen for less then $50 and use it to try out new stuff (currently CM6). My main driver - Super-D 1.9.3, the last stable version that you can actually call stable. I also removed whole bunch of stuff that I don't ever use and added some visual enhancements (clear settings widget, MusicMod, ADW latest launcher). Man, thant thing flyes and not a single FC in over 3 months.
All in all, it's inevitable that most of us will get new phones and these "improvements" will be oushined by stock roms but in the mean time be thankfull for what you get (for free!!!!) and learn enough to customize any rom to the point that it fits your needs.

Somebody else pointed this out earlier, but I'm gonna bring it up again. We're lucky to even have support for 2.1 on D/S. It's not meant for our devices and, yah, there are going to be some bugs, considering it was meant for a different devices. The same goes (pretty much) double for 2.2. When I got my Dream, I didn't imagine we would/could get past 1.6. I was freaking out when I got Eclair for the first time. Now we're on Froyo, same version as the N1, and (for me, at least) it's running better than Donut ever was for me.
While I do agree that we don't have many completely stable roms nowadays, I'm also grateful that we have developers like Cyanogen who still care about the lower income (I say that because I justt don't have the funds to purchase a higher end Android phone as of right now, and I suspect that may be the reason many other people have invested in one either) public enough to keep putting out solid, functional roms.
Count your blessings.

enomther "theofficial" roms are super stable.Keep coming back to them.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538456&highlight=enomther

paaaaan said:
I cannot neglect a fact after i tried so many roms by cyanogen: no one rom is so stable for everyday use.
for 1.6 , the 4.2.15.1 is the last version ,but you must wait a long time to make a normal call ,it is not standale, and it also had a missing sms issue.
for 2.1, i do not know if there is still a updated version after 5.0.8. the camera issue is still there , and also i encounter 2 times cannot-bootup issue (only reflash the rom again).
cyanogen's work is awesome , but i think the stable rom is so important for normal use. IS THERE ANY ONE?
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Here's my top choices of roms that ive found to be extremely fast
and stable as heck.
Donut Roms: 1st choice - Htcclay's superbad/superfast
2nd choice - SuperD.
Eclair Roms: 3rd choice - Chromatic 3.9.1
(Extremely fast and stable for a eclair rom but is nothing compared to those Donut roms.)

paaaaan said:
I cannot neglect a fact after i tried so many roms by cyanogen: no one rom is so stable for everyday use.
for 1.6 , the 4.2.15.1 is the last version ,but you must wait a long time to make a normal call ,it is not standale, and it also had a missing sms issue.
for 2.1, i do not know if there is still a updated version after 5.0.8. the camera issue is still there , and also i encounter 2 times cannot-bootup issue (only reflash the rom again).
cyanogen's work is awesome , but i think the stable rom is so important for normal use. IS THERE ANY ONE?
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Hey paaaaan!
I totally understand where you coming from, I (and probably many users here) have exactly the same problem. When i got my MT3G and first rooted it (more than a year and a half now) i was trying out a different ROM everyday, just polaying around and having fun. Cyan's ROM's never really worked out for me and i think i got a bit traumatised about it (although i recognize the invaluable contribution he's been to the Android community - it just couldn't possible be the same scene without him and Google should, if it hasn't already, recognize this fact. But after some time i started wanting to have a stable rom, just something that wouldn't hang out on me or lagged all the time - this was quite some time ago, mind you, the Hero sense ROMs were coming out for the first time and 1.6 had just been released. after many tries i stuck with Dwang's Donut build (no longer developed) which at the time was the fastest and most stable ROM i found. I stuck in my head that none of the latest versions of Android would run as smooth in my phone so i stayed with Dwang's (flashing it every month or so) until very recently actually.
I don't really remember why but i decided to give a go to the newest ROM's after reading so much praise for them in here... and i must confess i was really taken back by how far the development had come and what i had missed. I've tried Cannon202 Complete Eclair 2.2, Clay's SuperBad 1.6 & 1.7 and now on Chromatic 3.9.1 and i must say they all are stable enough for everyday use, according to my standards. Now, you must note that many times what makes the ROM unstable is not the ROM itself but how you flash it and how you fill it. I ALWAYS wipe completely before flashing a ROM - and don't just do a complete wipe in recovery but actually use fastboot to wipe the system as well. Another thing you must note is the amount of apps you throw at it, and how fast i do it. If i install or recover all my apps after install no ROM holds stable... instead i go installing them little by little, as i need them... i found out that with the exact same ROM this makes a HUGE difference! Also, after you flash, wait for it to settle down before you start configuring it... i normally also do one or two reboots before i start tweaking anything or installing apps. Compcache and swap never really worked for me so i don't use it (though i do have the SD partioned for that). SetCPU and the right configuration on the settings of the phone (try Chrome's post-boot set-up on his Cromatic thread) make a huge difference.
I must confess i really like Clay's SUPERBAD ROM (1.6 actually works better for me then 1.7) but it seems it has been discontinued, unfortunately; and i still haven't tried any Froyo build (waiting for it to mature, let some problems be solved.... nothing really in it that i can't live without); but i consider all Eclair ROM's i've tried based of Cyan's 5.0.8 perfect for everyday use. I mean, they are faster than the stock Vodafone ROM it came with the phone. Of course, you will have problems after a while and need to rewipe and reflash but that is exactly why you rooted your phone right?

[Q] Can the Captivate be functional for non-hobbyists?

I don't want to make trouble, but I'm hoping there can be a dialog as to the viability of the Captivate as a long-term, stable cell phone.
Like probably everyone here, I found the ROM AT&T supplied for the Captivate to be practically (if not criminally) unusable even if I didn't care about my rights to do what I want with it (but I do). Thus I decided that I needed to flash it with something better.
Obviously, there are a lot of Captivate owners who work very hard (and presumably, enjoy) modifying and tweaking the Android system for their phone - and that's great - but I'm not one of them. I appreciate that people like to change the look of their <object> and that the latest-and-greatest functionality is an ever-moving target, but paramount to me for everything in my life is minimal maintenance.
I don't really care about flashy eye-candy and holiday color schemes if it is moderately consistent. I am not looking to squeeze the last 2% (or even 10%) of possible speed out of my phone, but I do want it to respond to my input within a few tenths of a second (faster w/ typing) unlike the stock ROM. I have to use a lock-code, so I don't give a fig about the number of lock screens. If I could flash my phone and never have a need (note: not desire) to do it again, that would be fantastic. If I have to re-flash it once every 6 months and don't need to (re)read long (long!) meandering threads with cryptic and often conflicting and (possibly - how to tell?) outdated information, I could live with that.
Basically, it seems like I have to choose between a fixed, official ROM that sucks, or a sea of ever-changing ROMs with stability problems and a lot of focus on look-and-feel.
I'm not here crying about not having the perfect phone experience, rather I'm interested in the opinion of you here, "in the know", as to whether there exists a Captivate ROM that is stable in both the short-term (little to no crashes or unplanned reboots) and in the long term (will function similarly for months when not tweaked beyond what say, TiBu or AdAway would do).
This is something I've been wondering for months now (as my Serendipidy ROM grew ever-more unstable), but it has come to a head now because my wife is insisting that I encounter so many problems with my Cappy (currently experiencing various problems with Serenity) that I need to get a new phone (and it should be an iPhone like hers). I am as jealous at her stability, battery life and lack of problems as I am loathe to sell my soul to live in the walled garden with the iDevil.
If the world of smart phones is really a choice among the walled garden, the astro-turfed basement and the slopes of a volcano in the jungle, then I will have to accept that and choose my fate. If the problem is Samsung/AT&T and Android is simply ambrosia on some other device/carrier (as my colleague claims), then I would love to know that too.
Sorry for the dissertation and thanks for the thoughts.

teknowledgist said:
I don't want to make trouble, but I'm hoping there can be a dialog as to the viability of the Captivate as a long-term, stable cell phone.
Like probably everyone here, I found the ROM AT&T supplied for the Captivate to be practically (if not criminally) unusable even if I didn't care about my rights to do what I want with it (but I do). Thus I decided that I needed to flash it with something better.
Obviously, there are a lot of Captivate owners who work very hard (and presumably, enjoy) modifying and tweaking the Android system for their phone - and that's great - but I'm not one of them. I appreciate that people like to change the look of their <object> and that the latest-and-greatest functionality is an ever-moving target, but paramount to me for everything in my life is minimal maintenance.
I don't really care about flashy eye-candy and holiday color schemes if it is moderately consistent. I am not looking to squeeze the last 2% (or even 10%) of possible speed out of my phone, but I do want it to respond to my input within a few tenths of a second (faster w/ typing) unlike the stock ROM. I have to use a lock-code, so I don't give a fig about the number of lock screens. If I could flash my phone and never have a need (note: not desire) to do it again, that would be fantastic. If I have to re-flash it once every 6 months and don't need to (re)read long (long!) meandering threads with cryptic and often conflicting and (possibly - how to tell?) outdated information, I could live with that.
Basically, it seems like I have to choose between a fixed, official ROM that sucks, or a sea of ever-changing ROMs with stability problems and a lot of focus on look-and-feel.
I'm not here crying about not having the perfect phone experience, rather I'm interested in the opinion of you here, "in the know", as to whether there exists a Captivate ROM that is stable in both the short-term (little to no crashes or unplanned reboots) and in the long term (will function similarly for months when not tweaked beyond what say, TiBu or AdAway would do).
This is something I've been wondering for months now (as my Serendipidy ROM grew ever-more unstable), but it has come to a head now because my wife is insisting that I encounter so many problems with my Cappy (currently experiencing various problems with Serenity) that I need to get a new phone (and it should be an iPhone like hers). I am as jealous at her stability, battery life and lack of problems as I am loathe to sell my soul to live in the walled garden with the iDevil.
If the world of smart phones is really a choice among the walled garden, the astro-turfed basement and the slopes of a volcano in the jungle, then I will have to accept that and choose my fate. If the problem is Samsung/AT&T and Android is simply ambrosia on some other device/carrier (as my colleague claims), then I would love to know that too.
Sorry for the dissertation and thanks for the thoughts.
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......so get an iPhone then........
Currently Fusionized

I bought my wife a 4gs on launch day, and its smooth but not without a few faults. The amount of repeat info here can turn into a maze of discouragement, but I think just a little more effort might yield the results you want. I'm currently running mosaic 8 with the latest semiphore kernel and its very stable to say the least.
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KK4 seems to be the final update and source code is out so things are about to get real good. There are 5-6 real nice stable roms out right now. Take the time to find one you like and stick with it.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using xda premium

Wdustin1 said:
......so get an iPhone then........
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So, your view is that the Captivate and/or Android phones are best used by people who have both the skills and time to regularly - if not constantly - rebuild and tweak hidden and background settings always at some risk of bricking their several-hundred dollar device, and you see the iPhone as the proper choice for people who simply want something that works for their day-to-day use?
That's worse than what everyday users had to manage with DOS or in the early days of Linux or Windows 95. At least with those, your hardware wasn't (usually) at risk.
Is there no solution for those in the middle who want something that works day-to-day and allows them some freedom to make minor changes like block ads and install "unapproved" apps? Are they simply out of luck?

teknowledgist said:
I don't want to make trouble, but I'm hoping there can be a dialog as to the viability of the Captivate as a long-term, stable cell phone.
Like probably everyone here, I found the ROM AT&T supplied for the Captivate to be practically (if not criminally) unusable even if I didn't care about my rights to do what I want with it (but I do). Thus I decided that I needed to flash it with something better.
Obviously, there are a lot of Captivate owners who work very hard (and presumably, enjoy) modifying and tweaking the Android system for their phone - and that's great - but I'm not one of them. I appreciate that people like to change the look of their <object> and that the latest-and-greatest functionality is an ever-moving target, but paramount to me for everything in my life is minimal maintenance.
I don't really care about flashy eye-candy and holiday color schemes if it is moderately consistent. I am not looking to squeeze the last 2% (or even 10%) of possible speed out of my phone, but I do want it to respond to my input within a few tenths of a second (faster w/ typing) unlike the stock ROM. I have to use a lock-code, so I don't give a fig about the number of lock screens. If I could flash my phone and never have a need (note: not desire) to do it again, that would be fantastic. If I have to re-flash it once every 6 months and don't need to (re)read long (long!) meandering threads with cryptic and often conflicting and (possibly - how to tell?) outdated information, I could live with that.
Basically, it seems like I have to choose between a fixed, official ROM that sucks, or a sea of ever-changing ROMs with stability problems and a lot of focus on look-and-feel.
I'm not here crying about not having the perfect phone experience, rather I'm interested in the opinion of you here, "in the know", as to whether there exists a Captivate ROM that is stable in both the short-term (little to no crashes or unplanned reboots) and in the long term (will function similarly for months when not tweaked beyond what say, TiBu or AdAway would do).
This is something I've been wondering for months now (as my Serendipidy ROM grew ever-more unstable), but it has come to a head now because my wife is insisting that I encounter so many problems with my Cappy (currently experiencing various problems with Serenity) that I need to get a new phone (and it should be an iPhone like hers). I am as jealous at her stability, battery life and lack of problems as I am loathe to sell my soul to live in the walled garden with the iDevil.
If the world of smart phones is really a choice among the walled garden, the astro-turfed basement and the slopes of a volcano in the jungle, then I will have to accept that and choose my fate. If the problem is Samsung/AT&T and Android is simply ambrosia on some other device/carrier (as my colleague claims), then I would love to know that too.
Sorry for the dissertation and thanks for the thoughts.
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Cm7. Wipe data factory reset again after flashing, let it sit for 10 mins after first boot but before you sign in.
My vibrant was perfectly stable that way.
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MIUI, great fast ROM. All you have to do is flash the small update every week and everything stays the same. You don't loose data!
If you don't feel like doing the update every single week just skip a few here and there. Or got the latest Gingerbread leak(KK4) and use it. It is stable, has great battery life, and pretty fast, but still can't compare to MIUI/CM7 speeds!

I'm not sure what you mean by stock AT&T ROM being no good. I've used a Captivate that had the official AT&T stock 2.2 on it, and it was pretty darn good. I then loaded the "stock" AT&T gingerbread leak on it, and it was even better. Almost no lag at all, GPS worked great, and battery life was excellent. I think you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.

derek4484 said:
I'm not sure what you mean by stock AT&T ROM being no good. I've used a Captivate that had the official AT&T stock 2.2 on it, and it was pretty darn good. I then loaded the "stock" AT&T gingerbread leak on it, and it was even better. Almost no lag at all, GPS worked great, and battery life was excellent. I think you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.
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I tried to use the stock 2.2. I really did. I was getting random shutdowns and reboots all the time and the lag, oh the lag! I can't tell you how many times I would hit an on-screen button and nothing would happen. I would hit it again a second or three later or try a different on screen-button, and still nothing. Thinking the app had crashed, I would hit home or back. Another second or two after that, everything I had done would process in a millisecond and I would be back at the home screen with no idea what I had done as the "extra" touches would register as some other command on the screens that followed and I didn't see.
Once I reflashed the first time, the lag went away and the shutdowns greatly diminished, but since then I have had various other problems. Things like:
- the phone telling me I had a cell signal when I didn't and because I don't make many outgoing calls or texts I just thought nobody wanted to talk to me. Meanwhile people were getting mad that I wasn't getting back to them.
- Apps "uninstalling" by themselves sometimes with a generic icon to replace them. Re-installing them sometimes worked and sometimes didn't (with the same app).
- Texts that come in 5 hours after they were sent and 2 hours after I emerged into a strong cell signal (I work in a sub-basement).
When I tried the KK4 stock, everything did seem to work well until I actually tried to use it as a phone. It said I had signal and I had data connection, but most calls would simply never dial, and while it would ring and I could see who was calling, I couldn't answer. This seems particularly bizarre to me as you would think the ROM/modem pair should work with all Captivates.

If you want stability, I'd recommend Firefly or Andromeda. They are both older and are Froyo builds, but ultra stable.
And I concur the out of the box Cappy 2.1 build was unusable...it's how I ended up here at xda! Unlike you however, I found that I do like tweaking my phone, and I've done some amount of that...not without peaks and valleys, but I currently really enjoy the Mosaic ROM with Semaphore JVZ kernel.
i897 running Mosaic 8.5

teknowledgist said:
So, your view is that the Captivate and/or Android phones are best used by people who have both the skills and time to regularly - if not constantly - rebuild and tweak hidden and background settings always at some risk of bricking their several-hundred dollar device, and you see the iPhone as the proper choice for people who simply want something that works for their day-to-day use?
That's worse than what everyday users had to manage with DOS or in the early days of Linux or Windows 95. At least with those, your hardware wasn't (usually) at risk.
Is there no solution for those in the middle who want something that works day-to-day and allows them some freedom to make minor changes like block ads and install "unapproved" apps? Are they simply out of luck?
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Unfortunately, it's shaping out that way. And it's only getting worse as time goes on and the fragments march in their separate directions. When there's 20 different fundamental ROMS (Sense, TouvhWiz, all the variations and so on), and 4000 different phones it becomes increasingly difficult to provide a consistent quality experience.
The worst part being I don't see a way out for Google or a light at the end of the tunnel for consumers short of starting over, which presents more problems than it solves.
Sent from my SGH-I897

Madtowndave said:
If you want stability, I'd recommend Firefly or Andromeda. They are both older and are Froyo builds, but ultra stable.
And I concur the out of the box Cappy 2.1 build was unusable...it's how I ended up here at xda! Unlike you however, I found that I do like tweaking my phone, and I've done some amount of that...not without peaks and valleys, but I currently really enjoy the Mosaic ROM with Semaphore JVZ kernel.
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Thanks for the suggestions.
Actually, I think tweaking can be fun sometimes, but between work, family, house, etc. I'm usually stumbling through on 5 hours of sleep a night as it is (good thing I don't drive to work!). I simply don't have time to tweak, and I definitely can't be without a phone for a day or two.

MikeyMike01 said:
Unfortunately, it's shaping out that way. And it's only getting worse as time goes on and the fragments march in their separate directions. When there's 20 different fundamental ROMS (Sense, TouvhWiz, all the variations and so on), and 4000 different phones it becomes increasingly difficult to provide a consistent quality experience.
The worst part being I don't see a way out for Google or a light at the end of the tunnel for consumers short of starting over, which presents more problems than it solves.
Sent from my SGH-I897
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That's the sense I was getting, but when I would express it to anyone I know in meat-space, they just rolled their eyes and called me crazy. I started this thread with the optimistic hope that I was simply missing something.
It's good to know at least that I'm not alone in my thinking.

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KK4 seems to be the final update and source code is out so things are about to get real good.
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This is my hope.

I have had Cognition 5 on my phone since it was released. It has been the ultimate experience for me. Stable, GREAT battery life, awesome response, etc. It is the Plain Jane of ROMs and I won't use anything else.
at least not until a stable, working version of ICS is out. I've recently got my hands on a free captivate and have been using it as a testbed for ICS. Once I am satisfied, I will flash my everyday use Cappy to ICS and be done with flashing on this phone until I can upgrade this summer.

Im in your boat somewhat. I want all features of the device to work and I dont want reboots etc. Stability is critical.
For Froyo, Firefy 3.0 ROM gave up uptimes of 7-8 days without issue. I only rebooted once battery ran out.
GB ROMs Ive tried are all more unstable, but I have been on Illuminance 3.01 for over a week now and its running quite good. I reboot often though as I swap batteries, so I cant speak to up time but it goes over a day easily. Im using the ICS theme with it so it feels like I have a new device also.
Now that we have KK4 source I think we will see stability improve even more.
I see too many problems with the ICS builds so far but they are alpha afterall. Impressive progress from the devs working on it however!

Eventually my idea is to take the best of all the leaks and make a rock solid stable hybrid rom. Though most devs, including myself, try to cater to the masses. It seems what you are looking for isn't very popular. Most want more and better in their roms, i've tried both and still not overly successful at either. But it doesn't stop me from trying to create the best of both worlds. A solid stable rom with nice features, that doesn't deteriorate in performance over time. Hopefully a hybrid rom will solve a lot of issues we all face with the cappy.
The thing the iphone has going for it is the fact it is one manufacturer, apple. All the iphones are the same, same processor, same hardware, same specs, same, same, same. It makes it easy to have a tight knit development for the phone, so it is less prone to issues. But because of this tight, closed architecture, you don't have allot of choices as far as styles and hardware. Android and Windows, on the other hand, have multiple manufacturers and many choices of processors, hardware and styles to choose from. So it is much more difficult for Google and phone manufacturing developers to cater to all of the different phones and have each one run flawlessly. The same holds true for Linux and Windows with PC's. But I think the cappy has some of the best developers on XDA making great ROMs for it and these ROMs don't necessarily cater to hobbyists, they cater to captivate users in general.
Sometimes good things come to those who wait...
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In my own opinion, I think one of the best ROM's out there, and quite frankly possibly the most stable I've run to date is Phoenix Unleashed. It's Froyo JS8, and was the last of the 2.2 ROM's Adam put out. It was a ROM I would absolutely go to IF I ever got tired of flashing ROM's(don't really see that happening) and wanted to just have a phone that worked and worked well.
I'm too busy now playing with ICS.......but that is a story for another day

kangi26 said:
In my own opinion, I think one of the best ROM's out there, and quite frankly possibly the most stable I've run to date is Phoenix Unleashed. It's Froyo JS8, and was the last of the 2.2 ROM's Adam put out. It was a ROM I would absolutely go to IF I ever got tired of flashing ROM's(don't really see that happening) and wanted to just have a phone that worked and worked well.
I'm too busy now playing with ICS.......but that is a story for another day
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I think there's something to that. Serendipity 6 was JS8 if I remember correctly.
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MikeyMike01 said:
I think there's something to that. Serendipity 6 was JS8 if I remember correctly.
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By the way, no offence Mikey, I'm not in any way trying to imply that your ROM's are inferior, I just spent a TON of time with the Phoenix ROM's so my opinion comes from that alone

[Q] Is upgrading worth it?

Hi there, I have an Incredible S with Android 2.3.3 and Sense 2.1. It was originally locked to Virgin (canada) but I unlocked it and now it's on Rogers. The phone says there is no software updates.
It gets the job done as basically all I'm using it for is text and phone.
I am a complete newbie and know nothing about RUU's, radios, kernels, and other stuff I've read on here.
I have seen many threads about people having upgraded to ICS and find their phones laggy, the screen gets stuck, ect.
My question is, if you have upgraded, was it worth it, or do you wish you never had done it?
I would enjoy having the latest, but not very technical inclined.
Thanks, and I appreciate you feedback.

If you're happy stay where you are.
I have tried most of the roms and some are laggy some are not. I'm on Nik's Project X with the Redux kernal and love it. Ice cream sandwich is a lot nicer to use than Gingerbread, easier to look at and a lot easier to set up to suit what you want.
But again it really is personal preference.
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Yeah, it really is personal preference.
I am currently on Nik Project X and it is running extremely smoothly...
I guess the only reason you would like to upgrade to ics is purely for compatibility, as much of the newer apps are going to jellybean and ics, rather than gingerbread. The official OTA was quite laggy when i got it, so i rooted and switched to a custom rom. Also, if you install a custom radio, network signal could dramatically increase or dramatically decrease. So beware what radio you are flashing. Also, flashing a radio is very risky, so beware!
In the end, it is your choice. If you are just using your phone purely for text and calling, then you can stick with gingerbread, but people like me who are using their phone and discovering it's capabilities, it is probably better if they upgrade..

I agree Pic.
My suggestion would be to install a good recovery. And make a nandroid backup. That way if it goes wrong you can go back to where you were!
Then load a rom in and play. I could never in back to 2.3! Or even sense 2.
And yes, Project X is smooth and to my way much better.
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Depends on the ROM. I'm on MIUI GB and recently tried MIUI v4 only to find it a laggy POS for the most part. From what I understand the stock ICS ROMs that are rolling out from most manufacturers can be quite laggy. I think this is something to do with how ICS manages memory. Custom ROMs can get around this, so it'd be worth experimenting.
Compatibility probably won't be an issue for the time being. I seem to recall that something like 80% of Android phones are still on Gingerbread, so making an app only run on ICS or JB would seriously limit your market.
Regarding flashing a new radio I'd say that, unless you have good reason to want to change (really poor signal etc), I wouldn't bother. I'm not sure the risks outweigh the reward, if everything is fine with the version you already have.
Put it this way - the reason I rooted my phone was because HTC updated the ROM and my phone ground to a halt. Flashing a custom ROM transformed my phone back into a speedy machine, and added a whole bunch of additional functionality that I now can't live without!

Fair enough,
If u do not want to flash a custom rom, then u can flash a stock rom.. For some reason it is quicker than ota and it maintains s-off...
Your choice in the end buddy
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Thanks for the responses and experiences guys!
I guess I'll stick with what I have until I've done more reading and am more confident.
Thanks again

funlog said:
Hi there, I have an Incredible S with Android 2.3.3 and Sense 2.1. It was originally locked to Virgin (canada) but I unlocked it and now it's on Rogers. The phone says there is no software updates.
It gets the job done as basically all I'm using it for is text and phone.
I am a complete newbie and know nothing about RUU's, radios, kernels, and other stuff I've read on here.
I have seen many threads about people having upgraded to ICS and find their phones laggy, the screen gets stuck, ect.
My question is, if you have upgraded, was it worth it, or do you wish you never had done it?
I would enjoy having the latest, but not very technical inclined.
Thanks, and I appreciate you feedback.
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There are no "over the air" (OTA) updates from Bell/Virgin, but HTC have released an ICS update on their developer site:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/10/02/h...for-incredible-s-users-on-its-developer-site/
Just filter on device "Incredible S", carrier "HTC" and region "CA". The downloaded file is an RUU, which will do all the work of updating your phone to Android 4.0.4 and Sense 3.6.
I applied the update yesterday without any issue, though did a full reboot (remove battery) in order to clear out some initial sluggishness.
FWIW, my thoughts:
+ new text message conversation UI is nice, with each message in it's own little piece of paper
+ text message timestamps are correct on rogers (i.e. don't need to download "SMS time fix")
- some of the animations are a little overdone
= the tile-based approach to rendering pages means initial loads are blurry, but scrolling is fine once the page has finished rendering
++ no Bell bloatware
+ new gmail app is much much better
- not sure I like the new phone answer/decline UI when the screen is locked
+ htc mail app handles multiple accounts better than the gingerbread version, though now that the gmail app is usable, this isn't a big deal for me
- htc calendar widget is white text on black background, I preferred the old version
- lost access to various htc-specific apps/widgets, so you'll need to find replacements on the play store
+ play store app replaces the market
Overall, I'm happy with the update.
This old preview will give you an idea of what Sense 3.6 looks like: http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/13/htc-sense-3-6-preview/

Go for Nik Project X,
Even though you are light user (like me), you will enjoy very light and smooth user interface and also sense 4.0
Also, ICS will come with all its hidden benefits...no need to list down I guess....

I also have a Virgin Mobile IncS unlocked and now on the Rogers network. I'm currently using Nik's IncS Jellybean rom and it has been incredibly stable for me and I am using it as my daily rom. It's not perfect, but it's an excellent rom.
If you're concerned about the feedback on ICS/Jellybean, but still want to explore rooting, why don't you try some of the Gingerbread roms? CM-7.2 is one of the most stable roms out there and has quite a few features that are not present in the stock rom. If you don't want to lose Sense, there are quite a few roms in development that might meet your needs. There are even a few that are based on the official ICS rom.

Hi guys, well I bit the bullet and loaded the stock ics ruu from htc site. Have not rooted or s-off yet as I don't feel confident enough yet.
So far, about a week in and it is very fast. I have to admit, I don't notice too much of a difference because I am such a basic user.
But it has got rid off quite a few things I never used, so it is leaner. So I'm happy I did it, and want to thank everyone for their opinions and help. :good:

[Q] I wish Samsung would release official JB!

Hello everyone, as the title suggests if only Sammy released JB for my phone. I love the look and feel of it on the S3 but just dont like the phone, its too big and bulky IMHO. I am eagerly waiting for the S4.
Anyway, the reason for the post, i have been using CM10 on my I9000 for the last couple of weeks, i actually love it ands it actually pretty stable but and its a BIG BUT the battery drain finally killed the last remnants of patience i had with it. 12-15hrs on one battery charge is just not satisfactory.....so ive gone back to stock GB 2.3.6 and already the battery life has dramatically increased. Is this a firmware issue or poor hardware I wonder.
In anycase i would like JB back on this phone but I would like at least the same battery performance as GB, so my question really is about which JB ROM i could use?
Anyone got any ideas, recommendations or rom-avoidance advice? Anything would be helpful and much appreciated.
Thankyou!
G.

Use a different modem, and try a tweakable kernel like Semaphore. Also install betterbatterystats. That will tell you what's keeping your phone awake. I get two days out of my worn out two year old battery on the latest CM10 with low to medium use. Back on ICS, before I changed the modem, a RILJ wakelock would keep it awake pretty much all the time and I had about 12-15 hours of battery life. I'd rather Samsung stay as far away from software development as possible because nothing they have ever done in that department has been even remotely usable.

I also wish Samsung would release official JB for the I9000, but I'm afraid it's never gonna happen. They have left the I9000 behind it seems, and I think Gingerbread 2.3.6 was the last ever official update. It's custom ROM's from now on for the Galaxy S.

I wish i could fly.
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FjarrKontroll said:
Use a different modem, and try a tweakable kernel like Semaphore. Also install betterbatterystats. That will tell you what's keeping your phone awake. I get two days out of my worn out two year old battery on the latest CM10 with low to medium use. Back on ICS, before I changed the modem, a RILJ wakelock would keep it awake pretty much all the time and I had about 12-15 hours of battery life. I'd rather Samsung stay as far away from software development as possible because nothing they have ever done in that department has been even remotely usable.
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try a different modem??? try a different kernel??? i apologise i dont really know what you mean....
1. are you suggesting you can change the modem - how on earth do you do that??
2. ive heard the word Kernel being used but actually dont know what one is or what it does. complete novice to all this im afraid - i know about ROMs (for JB) like Cyanogen CM10, Slimbean and HellyBean etc etc, and have actually heard of this Semaphore but not actually knowing what it is!
Can you explain what this all means at all ?
btw - i get your point about Samsung especially on thier own non-andriod phones. to be fair the stock roms work flawlessly on my i9000 and the UI progression from Eclair to GB is staggering...even if it is cloaked as Andriod development....still looks and feels better than any Iphone. Thats what i meant by i wish Samsung would of developed ICS and JB for the I9000.

What helps in terms of battery life CM roms is:
-using 2d as much as possible and 3d only when needed (browsing, downloading apps etc). Problem is that 2g mode will not allow you to use data and make phone calls at the same time
-disable location services or at least gps when not used
-freeze/remove apps you are not using (stock email, talk, gmaps are battery drainers)
-disable CM built in app&data backup and use TB instead
-use lowest acceptable screen brightness
-buy a brand new battery
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salomann said:
What helps in terms of battery life CM roms is:
-using 2d as much as possible and 3d only when needed (browsing, downloading apps etc). Problem is that 2g mode will not allow you to use data and make phone calls at the same time
-disable location services or at least gps when not used
-freeze/remove apps you are not using (stock email, talk, gmaps are battery drainers)
-disable CM built in app&data backup and use TB instead
-use lowest acceptable screen brightness
-buy a brand new battery
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Hmmmm well all that seems like a gr8 idea but then what would be the point of flashing CM or any JB custom rom if i werent going to be able to use the features within it, like you would an S3 ??!!!! Kinda seems pointless to me... At the end of the day JB is the latest and greatest version, youd want to use and explore its capabilites as much as you can, without comprimising hardware performance..
Surely there must be a non battery draining and stable version of JB out there.......:crying:

@up
Totally agree with you. These are just workarounds that make you able to survive a day without recharging but at the same time limit user's satisfaction from owning a multifunctional device (eg no location and gps = no Google now). I'm switching to SGS2 that will get official jb shortly so will see if it gets better battery life but I do not expect miracles. The only hope in Google and Motorola cooperation. Motorola's battery + updates from Google must make a great combo
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Just buy a new battery,bigger
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geoffjac10 said:
try a different modem??? try a different kernel??? i apologise i dont really know what you mean....
1. are you suggesting you can change the modem - how on earth do you do that??
2. ive heard the word Kernel being used but actually dont know what one is or what it does. complete novice to all this im afraid - i know about ROMs (for JB) like Cyanogen CM10, Slimbean and HellyBean etc etc, and have actually heard of this Semaphore but not actually knowing what it is!
Can you explain what this all means at all ?
btw - i get your point about Samsung especially on thier own non-andriod phones. to be fair the stock roms work flawlessly on my i9000 and the UI progression from Eclair to GB is staggering...even if it is cloaked as Andriod development....still looks and feels better than any Iphone. Thats what i meant by i wish Samsung would of developed ICS and JB for the I9000.
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Before anything else, please install CM10.1 (http://get.cm/?device=galaxysmtd), CPU Spy (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bvalosek.cpuspy) and BetterBatteryStats. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179809)
Now in BetterBatteryStats, look at the "partial wakelocks" near the end of a day's charge and drain cycle. This will tell you what was keeping your phone awake. My money is on RILJ being at the top of the list and active for several hours. If that is the case, you need to change your modem. Check CPU Spy as well to see how much time your phone spends sleeping when it's supposed to.
Modems
The "modem" is basically like a driver file for the phone's radios and such. (Cell radio, WiFi, GPS, etc) It tells the phone how to use those things. So some modems are less efficient or not tuned as well for your specific carrier.
http://soggycashew.weebly.com/i9000-modems.html - Here is a collection of modems packaged in Clockwork Mod zip files. If you were able to install CM10, I'm sure you know how to install them.
Go to the "i9000_release_dates.txt" file and try the most recent one. If you have an i9000M which supports the 850MHz band, only use the 850MHz-capable modems. Likewise, if you have a regular i9000, don't use those. Testing may take at least day or so each. If you're still seeing a RILJ wakelock time more than about 20 minutes a day, try the next latest one.
Kernels
The "Kernel" is sort of like the BIOS in a PC. It starts up first then Android runs on top of it. Android communicates with the kernel, and then the kernel communicates with your phone's hardware. It runs the screen, sound chip, vibrator, radios, everything. Some kernels are basic and only include what they need to run the phone normally (like the stock Cyanogenmod kernel) and some are made to let you change all sorts of settings of how they operate.
I highly recommend Semaphore JB for CM10.1
You'll find that here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1786220
And the app to change settings here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.semaphore.sm
For improved power savings, use the app to turn on Deep Idle, make sure WiFi PM FAST is disabled, and you may as well turn on fast charge. (no power saving, but a shorter charge time is nice)
Android
Now this stuff is pretty simple, but it can be overlooked. Make sure to turn off apps that auto-update or at least lower their update frequency as much as possible. These are brutal for battery life. With your Google account, only enable sync for things you NEED to have updated automatically. Like Gmail and Chrome. Things like Contacts and Calendar you can update manually whenever you want but you probably don't need it constantly ready to sync. You can also do things like lower the screen brightness and turn off the fancy stuff, but I don't bother. 100% screen brightness all the time for me. I'd rather have a good experience than another couple minutes of battery.
I really hope this all helps and you can get on the latest ROM without the crippling battery drain these phones sometimes get. And you have the right idea about keeping all the effects and things on. Everything's active when the screen is on anyway, so battery savings will be negligible. Good luck!

All operating systems have a kernel, Windows, OS-X, Linux, whatever, it's just that in a closed system like Windows no-one knows its specifics or can do anything to it, whereas Linux's can be.
(Take a look at your screen when turning on your phone, the kernel image is not the first you see)
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They should do that as soon as possible as the JB thing means a great progress in Android development. The new OS is really faster, covers alot of minuses from the previous versions and Samsung, being so good in the last few years they should stay in touch with new, good ROMs if they dont want to begin to have Google as their second conquerent.
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I wished that samsung have followed apple's example and released the last version of OS for every phones which work with that.

wilsonxc said:
I wished that samsung have followed apple's example and released the last version of OS for every phones which work with that.
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Apple just stops updating devices for no better reason than they want to force upgrades, it's not like the old devices wouldn't work. Like what Samsung did here, except at least porting Android over would take a little bit of work/time. Still no better though. Apple also holds "features" back from older devices purely to market something new on their otherwise indistinguishable upgrade. (like Siri)
Nobody, including Apple, should follow Apple's example. I think Samsung should stop bothering with bastardizing Android and just hand the drivers over to the devs here, because they actually make software people actually want to use, and enjoy using.

...its very sad that i9000 won't get ( >= ICS), sgs1 is still very good phone...

Wish, you were here...
successfully using cm10 stable without any customized kernels , no battery drains, just do a factory reset from firmware settings, and you will be happy
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What actually changed in the Htc Desire 626s Metro PCS Marshmallow Update?

I looked around to see if anyone else saw any major differences between the android 5.1 and android 6.0.1 update. I only found one video that explains it as best as possible. See link below to youtube video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeoDt_6EWW0
What did we actually get besides optimization, google now on tap, and a few visuals here and there?
May-be it's just me, but the only time I get any battery optimization is only when i'm not using the phone. Other then that, while i'm using my phone, the battery still drains fast.
I really don't see the major point in having google now on tap since I really don't care to get a ton of info on sites I visit on my phone.
I was hoping to get a full blown OS upgrade. But after seeing the file size of the update, I was already disappointed from the start.
Am I the only one disappointed in the update?

s3llz said:
I looked around to see if anyone else saw any major differences between the android 5.1 and android 6.0.1 update.
What did we actually get besides optimization, google now on tap, and a few visuals here and there?
May-be it's just me, but the only time I get any battery optimization is only when i'm not using the phone. Other then that, while i'm using my phone, the battery still drains fast.
I really don't see the major point in having google now on tap since I really don't care to get a ton of info on sites I visit on my phone.
I was hoping to get a full blown OS upgrade. But after seeing the file size of the update, I was already disappointed from the start.
Am I the only one disappointed in the update?
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So, other things it got that I'm happy about:
Individual app permissions
Doze
Format SD card as internal storage
To me, these are the best things about upgrading to 6.0.1 that actually make a difference for me.
FYI, the battery life will be the same when you are using the phone, Doze only kicks in when the phone is idle, like really, really idle. Not using it, not in your pocket when you're walking around, nothing like that. It needs to be sitting still on a table/desk for a good while (like when you are sleeping and not constantly checking your phone) before it will kick Doze on.

I agree with @Rev_Pizzaguy...that's how Android M works by design. I have Evervolv Marshmallow running on my HP Touchpad and i get the slowest drain when Doze is running and my tablet is totally still and nothing runs.
Also, I personally have no regrets converting my 64GB SD card to internal. I weighed the pros and cons and made my choice, lol.

Rev_Pizzaguy said:
So, other things it got that I'm happy about:
Individual app permissions
Doze
Format SD card as internal storage
To me, these are the best things about upgrading to 6.0.1 that actually make a difference for me.
FYI, the battery life will be the same when you are using the phone, Doze only kicks in when the phone is idle, like really, really idle. Not using it, not in your pocket when you're walking around, nothing like that. It needs to be sitting still on a table/desk for a good while (like when you are sleeping and not constantly checking your phone) before it will kick Doze on.
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App permissions and SD card as internal storage is fine. I have no problem with these system updates, it's the fact that they didn't take full advantage of the ability to customize their particular os. HTC needs a little pep in their step when it comes to visual os upgrades. The themes engine is OK, but nothing compared to cyanogenmod, miui, oxygen os and flyme os. What I was referring to was the look overall not changing. Instead of calling it a Android 6.0.1 os update, they should have called it an Android 6.0.1 system update and made it perfectly clear that there would be no actual visual changes, just a few system changes. Text on a screen can be misinterpreted by the reader, so I want to make it clear. I'm not upset with what the update offered, I'm upset at the fact that there was no change to the look of the os. Maybe if there are future updates for this, things may change. But for now, just gonna sit back and be content with what I got and hope for the best going forth in the future.

rfoster2009 said:
I agree with @Rev_Pizzaguy...that's how Android M works by design. I have Evervolv Marshmallow running on my HP Touchpad and i get the slowest drain when Doze is running and my tablet is totally still and nothing runs.
Also, I personally have no regrets converting my 64GB SD card to internal. I weighed the pros and cons and made my choice, lol.
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For me, it's about the visuals. I never said I didn't like the update, I just wanted to see what HTC could do with visuals. That was a disappointment. Everything else that came in the update was fine. Wish I knew how to build roms. But since I don't, I must have hope in those who do and hope they will come through for us 626s users.

s3llz said:
For me, it's about the visuals. I never said I didn't like the update, I just wanted to see what HTC could do with visuals. That was a disappointment. Everything else that came in the update was fine. Wish I knew how to build roms. But since I don't, I must have hope in those who do and hope they will come through for us 626s users.
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HTC's latest version of Sense UI is 7.0 and their other phones that have been updated to Android 6.0.1 ran Sense 7.0 as well, so I wasn't expecting much UI change. I know Sense 8.0 is coming, but it's only in limited release on their new flagship (HTC 10). From the sounds of it, it sounds like they are decoupling Sense UI completely from the OS, though, so we may see it as an update later on. (Search for "HTC Sense 8.0 closed beta" and you'll find plenty of articles.)

Rev_Pizzaguy said:
HTC's latest version of Sense UI is 7.0 and their other phones that have been updated to Android 6.0.1 ran Sense 7.0 as well, so I wasn't expecting much UI change. I know Sense 8.0 is coming, but it's only in limited release on their new flagship (HTC 10). From the sounds of it, it sounds like they are decoupling Sense UI completely from the OS, though, so we may see it as an update later on. (Search for "HTC Sense 8.0 closed beta" and you'll find plenty of articles.)
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Thank you Rev for the info. Well, at least that gives me hope. I do develop themes on the side for HTC. But there's only so much you can do as far as customization. I'm only able to change the dialer, messages, wallpapers, icons, and color scheme and a couple other things. They now have what they call "Freestyle Themes." Which are not bad at all. I would just like to see htc themselves think outside of the box like they did with their own branded "Freestyle Theme" collection. But yeah, what you have told me gives me hope for the future. Once again, I thank you for your info. It is much appreciated.:highfive::good:
Check out a couple of my htc themes (links below)
1. Space Glow - Classic Theme
https://themes.htc.com/#/user/theme/com.htc.theme.t2cdf94df-7c57-4f39-976f-1cb48ee4341e
2. Hey Scotty! Vintage Man! - Freestyle Theme
https://themes.htc.com/#/user/theme/com.htc.theme.t29886eca-9024-4408-bda3-d784308c4745

"Freestyle themes" have been around for a while, I've been using them since they where first introduced on a Sense Home update in the play store.

Hey guys, nice forum and good topic. But I'm needing some help in updating my 626s s-off. I've been looking around for a compatible update of the 6.0.1 but keep getting alternate language. Any help or links anyone can provide is most appreciated. Thank you.

IsaacGuti said:
"Freestyle themes" have been around for a while, I've been using them since they where first introduced on a Sense Home update in the play store.
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Sounds great, which ones are your favs?