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Initial Impressions

I've had the phone for over 24 hours now, well two devices as the first one was faulty, so trust me this isn't biased lol. But, I can tell you that Microsoft has definitely gone in the right direction with this OS. Even though I was a tremendous Windows Mobile fan boy, it just didn't feel efficient or enjoyable towards the end. We needed UI enhancements and the amazing work of some talented chefs in order to have the urge to use our phones daily. Applications ran slowly, phones were constantly freezing, and the general public just didn't want that occurring on a $500 device. And though this is one of my gripes about Windows Phone, the ability to access your storage through a file explorer was truly a headache when it came to a general user. Though, with that being said, I do hope they add some "documents" interface to Zune and allow us to place our files on an accessible location...
But this operating system has the ability to be flawless. Microsoft's iron fist allows for the experience to be enjoyable. I don't need to worry about the newest version of Sense not running on my device and I definitely don't need to worry about a 1ghz processor struggling due to horrible code. I do miss my ability to access EVERYTHING, and I mean everything...I've been on this forum since my Dash, so I consider myself an addict at this point. But, this is by far the fastest Windows device I have ever come across, hands down, and it's a breath of fresh air.
My biggest problem with our community, myself included, is that we often forget that this is version 1.0 of the OS...think about that people, 1.0...and yet we have a decent app store, with an amazing OS, feature incomplete though. The features will come, but I rather have the OS now, missing features, than have to wait for it...I can tell you that this will definitely be a game changer. I have little doubt that microsoft will listen to our requests and implement the majority of what we're asking...with the exception of the obvious, such as root access and the ability to completely screw up your phone, like some of you are so hell bent on doing while accessing everything.
The random hiccups of black screens while switching back from programs, and other minor problems I've encountered I'm sure will be ironed out, but we need to make sure these don't cloud our judgment. Whether you become a fan or not, I wish most of you would just realize that Windows Phone on the HD7 is probably the best thing we could have hoped for, and I'm looking forward to the future of this phone and operating system. This device also feels amazing...not sure where the build quality questions came from, I don't even have the pink camera issue...it's a much better feel in my hand than my HD2. I thought of putting this in the WP7 general, but since my thoughts are based on my device, thought I'd keep it here...

I agree 100%. The phone is not all-the-way complete yet, but I can honestly say I am very impressed. If the few tweaks are made here and there (e.g. visual voicemail, extended settings, file system, sideload apps, etc.) we could have the best OS of them all.
I cannot understate the elegance and beauty of this device and OS. It is sooo smooth - this is what the mobile experience should be. Some complain about no Multitasking, but I am not one of them. In fact I think it kills battery and can cause major problems. Plus it's mobile phone! How many tasks do I need to do at once? One!
Anyway, I'm loving it so far - even though I'd like to make some simple changes like searching the marketplace for apps only and leaving music out of the results.
BTW- the Market is coming along nicely. Pretty good selection to far.
It's simple and beautiful. Or simply-beautiful

I agree. I love my EVO, not a fan of my DROID X and can't stand the lag of the Samsung Fascinate.
I picked up the HD7 recently while waiting for the Dell Venue Pro to release. I cannot stress how smooth the OS really is. I have tweaked and tuned and spent countless hours on ROM loads with my EVO all the find out they are very good but are always in need of tuning. Perhaps some of that is due to my constant reading of these forums and seeing updates
I know some have said no Unified Messaging. I rarely use it just like cut and paste.
I wish they would have persistent notication icons on the top bar. That would be nice. I received an update on the Marketplace and didn't realize it was there until I scrolled down. The updates are nice though.
I can say that I am very happy with some of the well known APPS. They seem to be better looking than IPHONES or ANDROIDS. Shazam is nice with the Zune button/integration feature. Huffington Post needs to fix the text but it is very nice. AP News etc. The APPS seems to be more robust when they follow the Metro UI theme.
Need a bigger battery for the HD7. It is not bad but could be much better with a 1500mAH or 1700mAH. I am checking my sources for them now.
It is worth the look people who are on the fence.

I agree I have used every OS out there and this one has the most potential I think. I also picked up the Hd7 Waiting on the Venue Pro but will keep both cause the HD7 Is a fantastic device.

I am 100% with the op, this is version 1.0 and it is a very good start, the os is buttery smooth and intuitive to use, MS have got this one right!

[Q] HTC Incredible S S710e

Hi.
I have the above phone, which contrary to some posters I am actually happy with, at least I was until the last update notification which I received on Monday of this week.
I upgraded to version 4.10.405.1 (Ice Cream Sandwich I think?) thinking to myself that like PC's phones need updates too. My other software details are HTC Sense ver 3.6, and Android ver 4.0.4.
However, since updating my phone is now ridiculously slow. Example, when going from Settings back to the home screen I am now confronted with an extremely long pause coupled with a darkened / greyed out background screen with an oblong box which inside has "Loading" displayed with a round symbol which circles itself.
This has only happened since the up-date this morning, and Everything was running just Fine before this.
My phone is not bloated, and I don't have many apps on there, and I have not changed or added anything in around six weeks.
I know they release updates to improve things and or fix issues, but something has gone terribly wrong here to make my phone act like this. I even re-booted after the update, and even tried turning the phone off for a while, but none of these things has made any difference whatsoever.
All HTC support over the phone said was to run a "Factory reset" which did nothing.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Peterobertson said:
Hi.
I have the above phone, which contrary to some posters I am actually happy with, at least I was until the last update notification which I received on Monday of this week.
I upgraded to version 4.10.405.1 (Ice Cream Sandwich I think?) thinking to myself that like PC's phones need updates too. My other software details are HTC Sense ver 3.6, and Android ver 4.0.4.
However, since updating my phone is now ridiculously slow. Example, when going from Settings back to the home screen I am now confronted with an extremely long pause coupled with a darkened / greyed out background screen with an oblong box which inside has "Loading" displayed with a round symbol which circles itself.
This has only happened since the up-date this morning, and Everything was running just Fine before this.
My phone is not bloated, and I don't have many apps on there, and I have not changed or added anything in around six weeks.
I know they release updates to improve things and or fix issues, but something has gone terribly wrong here to make my phone act like this. I even re-booted after the update, and even tried turning the phone off for a while, but none of these things has made any difference whatsoever.
All HTC support over the phone said was to run a "Factory reset" which did nothing.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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One word answer to your problem here : Sense

well... I got my incredible S this last monday, with stock rom and latest update done.
In fact, it's just the same as yours...
I don't find it too slow, but I don't know how it behaved before... what I do notice is that the battery only lasts for about 13~14hours, with wi-fi, bluetooth, gps disconected. Lot's of text messages though...
How's yours on battery?
Sorry for the hi-jack on the thread

ntmm said:
well... I got my incredible S this last monday, with stock rom and latest update done.
In fact, it's just the same as yours...
I don't find it too slow, but I don't know how it behaved before... what I do notice is that the battery only lasts for about 13~14hours, with wi-fi, bluetooth, gps disconected. Lot's of text messages though...
How's yours on battery?
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Hahahaha its not the same as mine. As you seen mines is rooted and im running a custom ROM It would probably be in your best benefit to do so as well.
and in all honesty our phones arent all too well equipped to run ICS. Slap on Sense and youre in for a phone to get slow real fast. In my opinion the Inc S could run Gingerbread and Sense 2.(something lol) decently fine but with some lag.

072665995 said:
One word answer to your problem here : Sense
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Ermm, without wishing to sound ungrateful, could you elaborate on this please.
I'm ok when it comes to PC's for troubleshooting, building etc, but I'm new to the whole phone side of things, so in simple form would be most welcome.
Thanks.

@ 072665995 :
I was talking to Peterobertson =D
But thank you for your input

Peterobertson said:
Ermm, without wishing to sound ungrateful, could you elaborate on this please.
I'm ok when it comes to PC's for troubleshooting, building etc, but I'm new to the whole phone side of things, so in simple form would be most welcome.
Thanks.
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HTC Sense is an extreme resource hog. Just open up task manager or go to running apps in settings and RAM usage will be generally sitting at 350 or 400mb used. On top of that Sense takes up quite a bit of CPU power. All this results in maybe less battery to use (this really depends on how you use your phone). Furthermore, Sense can be at times, relatively unstable. I have had quite a good number of games crash because im pretty sure HTC made it so that the Rosie.apk is always running unlike maybe trebuchet or nova or apex (although you can set it so it runs in the foreground). So on top of sucking up a lot of power, the OS cannot kill Sense to allow more things to run at once and the last time i checked the Rosie could suck up somewhere around 40-50 mb. Add all the other applications, maybe widgets, other apps in more of a hibernation mode and you come up with that 400mb or RAM usage.
Of course theres also a ton of good things about Sense. In terms of widget, Sense really is king. You cant really beat them on that. The calender widget, the flip clock, all those goodies. Theres also a number of built in apps that might be useful like twitter, facebook, and even FM Radio (which is awesome cuz i listen to radio a lot, in fact its one of the few things make me wanna go back to Sense).

Hmm, OK, so there is nothing I can do then?
Surely there must be something. I was NOT having Any problems whatsoever, and let me make that perfectly clear so there is no confusion, NO issues at all before that so called update on Monday.
This is what is bothering me so much, and is something that I cannot get my head around. Everything and I mean everything was running just fine, and nice and fast too, with no pauses / lag etc, so I know it is the update that has done this because nothing else has changed. I have not added or removed anything for the past six weeks or so, and I am not really an "App" person if you know what I mean. I catch up with most of my friends on line using the PC and email etc, the phone is just secondary and is not the main tool I use.
I find it incredibly Arrogant of either HTC (It's their phone) or even Google (Don't they make the OS?) not to offer any backup or re-download scheme under a support link on either of their web sites in case anything goes wrong like this.
If this was a certain few software developers I can think of, then that is exactly what they would have in place just in case something goes wrong. We can even run system restore on Windows, roll back a driver, and in the case of most manufacturers we can re-download drivers etc going back two plus years, this is what makes this so bloody annoying and is really whizzing me off.
I had a perfectly good and functional mobile phone before an official update, but now I am left with a laggy, slow ass piece of crap that no one can do anything with and a manufacturer that just tells me to run a factory re-set, which anyone with a modicum of common sense knows will do Nothing at all after a firmware update because it is so deep rooted.
Way to go HTC. This will definitely make me want to buy another of your products
I wonder if the word "Customer Satisfaction" means anything in their little bubble world.

Unfortunatly a big percentage of the "tecs" at the support "team"/line don't know even 10% of what they are supposed to do, let alone know what people can do in most scenarios because the answer is not on the few post-its they have...
Nonetheless sometimes you get a tec that can help you...
I agree with you that you should be able to rollback from some updates, back to a more stable version, and that the updates shouldn't be definitive.
The system should be user friendly, not "geek-friendly", meaning that everyone should be able to do most things.
Apart from that, I can't say if my IncS is faster/slower/the same, I got it (used) on monday, connected it via wi-fi, went to see if there was any update, there was just only one, for the "customize" thing ( it's the painting pallet, where you go to choose the face, background, theme, etc) ...
My only complain as of now is the battery... how's the battery drain on yours?

"how's the battery drain on yours?"
Pretty crappy.
I sent a message to mwilky regarding this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1705334&highlight=htc+incredible+stock
I am hoping that some kind soul feels my frustration and helps. it would be great if my phone can run one of these faster software systems while still being able to use the usual apps such as camera etc.
As you agree with me, yes, there should be a tab on the support page on the HTC web site that has Drivers, Sense, Firmware etc and the facility to be able to roll back to a version that was working fine before they screwed everything up with their "Update"
Don't forget, my phone is not bloated with all sorts of stuff, and I run it very lean. I use it pretty much just as a phone.

Yeah, I use the phone mainly as a phone too...
Plus the casual e-mail, gaming, picture/video and music...
I got the phone so I could use it's functions whenever they're needed... so...
Yesterday I turned off a few things at the middle of the day and the battery lasted 15+ hours untill reaching 14%, that's when I went to bed and put it charge. will see today how it goes.
Though I'm yet to experience what you described that happened with yours... gutted for you =/

Peter
Agreed HTC doesn't offer a backup before one applies an update. If your phone is still under warranty and/or you don't want to root it, then the best option i see is to visit the customer care and get the ginger bread installed - make sure to sync your contacts and calendars..
On the other hand if you want to root it then the jellybean ROM available are pretty stable and fast...
Sent from my Incredible S using xda app-developers app

Im sure you can find a Gingerbread RUU. Sure htcdev.com no longer has the RUU's but hey, theres always google. I mean its not like its possible for HTC to shut down everything :laugh:
On the side note though, its probably most recommended to just root your phone and slap another ROM on. I used to be just like you. I absolutely HATED Sense but you goota give everything a shot to see where each ROM stands you know. Some of the devs here like Nikhil007mus and Alirez_sos and interaser have made their respective Sense ROMs very smooth and reliable (although Alirez's ROM has been shut down due to him supposedly kanging. Yes i support him that he isnt using stolen stuff).

I'm quite tired of my Inc S as well.
I tried to trade it for an iPhone 4- 16 gigs- lately. But without luck.
No stable Cm 9-10 so far, shipped with laggy firmware. It's time to invest some bucks in new hardware, there's no other solution...
Sent from my HTC Incredible S using xda premium

giudicealdo said:
I'm quite tired of my Inc S as well.
I tried to trade it for an iPhone 4- 16 gigs- lately. But without luck.
No stable Cm 9-10 so far, shipped with laggy firmware. It's time to invest some bucks in new hardware, there's no other solution...
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-_- you are aware that there are some great Sense ROMs out there that do not lag and are very much stable???

I'm running viverVivo at the moment. I'm enjoying it: really a great work. It's highly customizable, and I love to play with it. But I constantly have to kill apps, wipe everything, use seeder, play with the kernel settings...
And I still haven't found a good balance between battery life and smoothness... I must admit I'm quite a noob Anyway, despite the efforts of a great development community, this device is just old now... And as someone said some post above, is optimized for GB, ICS capable, and not able to run JB in a satisfying way.
Does anyone want my Inc S?
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giudicealdo said:
I'm running viverVivo at the moment. I'm enjoying it: really a great work. It's highly customizable, and I love to play with it. But I constantly have to kill apps, wipe everything, use seeder, play with the kernel settings...
And I still haven't found a good balance between battery life and smoothness... I must admit I'm quite a noob Anyway, despite the efforts of a great development community, this device is just old now... And as someone said some post above, is optimized for GB, ICS capable, and not able to run JB in a satisfying way.
Does anyone want my Inc S?
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Mmmm. The Incredible S is capable of running any Android OS. The only reason why it gets more difficult to run newer Android OS is because Android is packing more and more things into their operating system making it laggier. A great example is the difference between 2.3 and 4.0.4. There was quite a noticeable difference in speed because HTC decided to bloat their firmware (damn you HTC, damn you ) To your last comment, our phone is not capable of running JB in a satisfying way, thats not necessarily the case. I think you are referring to the number of bugs that come with AOSP builds for our device?? Theres bound to be issues because no one builds stock ROMs for our device due to aging. So theres the different CPUs and screen resolutions and all that stuff which isnt exactly fun to work with. If someone manages to successfully built a jellybean Sense ROM for our device (interaser certainly did a GREAT job with Viper based off of One X for sure), theres probably gonna be less bugs.

Giudicealdo, I don't agree in totality.. If you look at the dev forums, then 4.2.1: jelly time and one by lacoste and 4.2.2: pacman and one by lacoste are pretty stable and fast ROMs...
But yes i agree that the battery life is not as great ICS onwards as it was with GB...
Sent from my Incredible S using xda app-developers app

Hi again All.
WoW, some FANTASTIC ideas and inputs from everyone (did I just make up a new word - inputs)
Anyway, can I ask everyone a big favour please.
I am new to this kind of thing, and don't really understand all this stuff below >
ROM: RENOVATE Final 1 < Is this the operating system?
Android Version: 4.1.1 < Whats this?
Sense Version: 4+ < I kind of know what this is.
Build Number: 3.14.401.31 < No idea what this is.
Kernel: Stock JB < Nor this
Radio: 5.1204.162.29 < I only found out about this from the tech guy at Monkeymobile, But I sort of know what it is now.
So, with all of the above said, What are your recommendations for me to install on the phone?
ROM: < Which should I use
Android Version: < Which should I use
Sense Version: < Which should I use
Build Number: < Which should I use
Kernel: Stock < Which should I use
Radio: < Which should I use
Bearing in mind that I am looking for fluidity and speed, not that fussed about battery time, as I can charge it in the house, car, and at work, but just want something that's quick and not laggy, but the Camera must work as well as the Wi-Fi too.
Is there anything else I need to download, again, if there is can you make any recommendations please. And, is there anything else to worry about, for example this aerial business?
I know I am asking a lot, but, I do appreciate all the help from all of you.

Peterobertson said:
Hi again All.
WoW, some FANTASTIC ideas and inputs from everyone (did I just make up a new word - inputs)
Anyway, can I ask everyone a big favour please.
I am new to this kind of thing, and don't really understand all this stuff below >
ROM: RENOVATE Final 1 < Is this the operating system?
Android Version: 4.1.1 < Whats this?
Sense Version: 4+ < I kind of know what this is.
Build Number: 3.14.401.31 < No idea what this is.
Kernel: Stock JB < Nor this
Radio: 5.1204.162.29 < I only found out about this from the tech guy at Monkeymobile, But I sort of know what it is now.
So, with all of the above said, What are your recommendations for me to install on the phone?
ROM: < Which should I use
Android Version: < Which should I use
Sense Version: < Which should I use
Build Number: < Which should I use
Kernel: Stock < Which should I use
Radio: < Which should I use
Bearing in mind that I am looking for fluidity and speed, not that fussed about battery time, as I can charge it in the house, car, and at work, but just want something that's quick and not laggy, but the Camera must work as well as the Wi-Fi too.
Is there anything else I need to download, again, if there is can you make any recommendations please. And, is there anything else to worry about, for example this aerial business?
I know I am asking a lot, but, I do appreciate all the help from all of you.
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Peter,
My two cents:
First you need to decide whether you want to stick to sense ROMs, that is, HTC stock Roms or move to non-sense (0 ROMS..
Since you are on ICS - I would recommed you try IceColdSandwich 8.8 which is an amazing AOKP ROM
Further take a look at the below links to root your phone and find the list of custom ROMs (stock and otherwise)
Flashing phone : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1337105
List of ROMs: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1136463
Answering some of your questions (but you will have to read on google or xda forums - that helps most):
Android 4.1.1 is JellyBean; other versions of JellyBean are 4.2.1 and 4.2.2. Android 4.0.4 is IceCreamSandwich
Stock kernel: developers use the HTC kernel available with stock ROM. Some of them use the customized ones
Thus:
ROM: try all the flavours available and then stick to the one you like most. Some of the stable ones available are:
1. Gingerbread: ARHD ROM (Stock)
2. ICS: IceColdsandwich 8.3/8.8 (non stock), Niks (Stock)
3. JB 4.1.1: Lacoste's ROM
4. JB4.2.1: JellyTime by blindndumb and Lacoste's ROM
5. JB4.2.2: PACman v21 and Lacoste's ROM
Sense: depends on your taste; sense 4 is only available for ICS ROM and not for GB ROM. Personally I had stopped liking Sense since ICS update.. even though it offers some really good widgets but it restricts a user.. the AOKP and other ROMs offer a great deal of customization..
Kernel: ideally use the ones embedded in the ROM; you can however flash available kernels
Radio: Above link for flashing the ROM will give you an insight
Hope it helps

[Q] What's the fuss about Lollipop??

Okay guys, I have to ask. I have read numerous posts about Lollipop, including several reviews on several devices. I even tried a custom ROM on my tablet that is Lollipop based. I have to say it, I don't see what all of the fuss is about. I promptly returned to my Kit-Kat based ROM on my tablet, and I have yet to see any pressing reason to upgrade (I use the term loosely) my Moto G 2014 to Lollipop. In fact most of what I have read from those who have has been negative. Okay so there is ART, but I have been running that since I got my phone and on my tablet for 7 months without issues. And from everything I have read, customization is going to be much more difficult with Lollipop.
So tell me, am I just missing something really revolutionary or what?? Is there some dramatic increase in performance or memory efficiency? Or is it simply a matter of just wanting the latest OS. I am truly befuddled by all of the hoopla.
I await enlightenment.

+1

but... but material... and ART...
j/k, honestly I'm waiting to try it mostly because of the lockscreen notifications and the status bar changing colors (lol)
and honestly in the Moto G WhatsApp group I noticed that mostly indians are super hyped for Lollipop, for some weird reason

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I guess lots of white and wasted ui space is the in thing right now. That along with lengthy animations. I am sorry to say this but take a look at the XDA website forums on pc you will understand what I mean.
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Exactly!
me_ankit said:
I guess lots of white and wasted ui space is the in thing right now. That along with lengthy animations. I am sorry to say this but take a look at the XDA website forums on pc you will understand what I mean.
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:good: I hear ya! Exactly my point. So I will stay on Kit-Kat and avoid Lollipop. I am hoping somebody will develop a nice Kit-Kat based custom ROM and/or kernel that will allow overclocking. I'm not an Android developer so I am not able to do so. But I am really quite happy with things as they are so I won't lose any sleep over it.
Thanks for your feedback.

I have to admit I was pretty excited for Lollipop but with some of the developments over the past few days such as the, IMO, inferior lockscreen (having to swipe to input the pattern/PIN) it's put a slight dampener on it, I'm still going to upgrade but I'm not going to rush first day it comes out.
And just found out they have removed the Normal, Vibrate and Silent toggles when you long press the power button, that's annoying!

Yup as you guys said, we Indians sure are excited. I'm just speaking for myself here, and not generalizing, but I do love the new design of Lollipop. IMO, KitKat had a very boring, flat design, which I always used to cover it up with some CM Themes with my old mobile. Whereas the new design gives a breath of fresh air to the OS, which I think Android greatly needed.
As for ART, what you feel or see is mainly just placebo on kitkat. In a sense I really don't think it makes much difference with 4.4.
Disclaimer: I maybe wrong here. Just quoting my experience.
So in short the OS is new, the design is beautiful and a complete overhaul, some new awesome features that weren't available on stock before, and other minor tid-bits are basically the reason why we, a bunch of android nerds (i'm saying this in a positive way) are excited when a new OS gets released.

pastorbob62 said:
Okay guys, I have to ask. I have read numerous posts about Lollipop, including several reviews on several devices. I even tried a custom ROM on my tablet that is Lollipop based. I have to say it, I don't see what all of the fuss is about. I promptly returned to my Kit-Kat based ROM on my tablet, and I have yet to see any pressing reason to upgrade (I use the term loosely) my Moto G 2014 to Lollipop. In fact most of what I have read from those who have has been negative. Okay so there is ART, but I have been running that since I got my phone and on my tablet for 7 months without issues. And from everything I have read, customization is going to be much more difficult with Lollipop.
So tell me, am I just missing something really revolutionary or what?? Is there some dramatic increase in performance or memory efficiency? Or is it simply a matter of just wanting the latest OS. I am truly befuddled by all of the hoopla.
I await enlightenment.
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The Moto G 2014 has no custom ROMs out for it yet. We were stuck with the boring, rooted stock. We couldn't use a theme to make it look something like Lollipop. Instead, we used GravityBox.
Customs ROMs give much more than GravityBox since GravityBox cannot fulfill most of the things we all like about customs ROMs. Lollipop fixed a good amount of the small problems we had with stock 4.4.4; along with a new design and fluent animations. So we all hopped on the Lollipop train because there were no custom ROMs.
Now, had there been PA available for the Moto G 2014, I would have waited until there was a Lollipop version of PA.

well said!! We lack development and thus lollipop will give us a refreshed look...

I dont know, why do we still lack the much needed developments
However, on a bright note. take a look at the moto x 2014 dev section.
Much barer and scarce then here. lol
So Im not much disappointed xD

I'm most interested in projct volta. Read a test these days about lollipop on nexus 5, they increased screen on time about nearly 30 %. Not bad in my opinion...

surenzxx said:
The Moto G 2014 has no custom ROMs out for it yet. We were stuck with the boring, rooted stock. We couldn't use a theme to make it look something like Lollipop. Instead, we used GravityBox.
Customs ROMs give much more than GravityBox since GravityBox cannot fulfill most of the things we all like about customs ROMs. Lollipop fixed a good amount of the small problems we had with stock 4.4.4; along with a new design and fluent animations. So we all hopped on the Lollipop train because there were no custom ROMs.
Now, had there been PA available for the Moto G 2014, I would have waited until there was a Lollipop version of PA.
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I agree that custom ROM development is totally lacking with this phone. But I disagree that Lollipop fills any void. As far as Lollipop fixing any problems , I guess that is based on one's own experience and I have not had any problems at all with 4.4.4. That is my whole point, Lollipop does not bring enough of ANYTING to inspire me to upgrade. I don't find 4.4.4 boring at all, I don't have any "problems" running it or using any of the apps I need, and it is very fast and responsive for me.
All of that said I do realize that we all use our phones in different ways that may make Lollipop appealing to many. It just isn't all that for me. Hopefully some motivated developers will come up with some decent custom ROM's for Kit-Kat. But until that happens I am sticking with the stock version I am currently running.

I've got Lollipop on my Moto G and I'm not particularly impressed.
-Unlocking takes longer.
-Pandora lockscreen controls are gone.
-Lockscreen notifications are not what I hoped for. If I get one text it will show some information about the texts. If I get 3 texts it just says I got 3 texts. So I have to unlock the phone anyways, and that takes longer.
-App-specific notification settings don't seem to work. I keep getting daily Subway Surfer notifications even though I turned them off.
-I DO like how the lockscreen camera controls are implemented.
Overall lollipop is meh for me. I guess some Android fanbois are like some Apple fanbois. They can't wait for the next thing that Google/Apple gives them, no matter what it is.

mike_ekim said:
I've got Lollipop on my Moto G and I'm not particularly impressed.
-Unlocking takes longer.
-Pandora lockscreen controls are gone.
-Lockscreen notifications are not what I hoped for. If I get one text it will show some information about the texts. If I get 3 texts it just says I got 3 texts. So I have to unlock the phone anyways, and that takes longer.
-App-specific notification settings don't seem to work. I keep getting daily Subway Surfer notifications even though I turned them off.
-I DO like how the lockscreen camera controls are implemented.
Overall lollipop is meh for me. I guess some Android fanbois are like some Apple fanbois. They can't wait for the next thing that Google/Apple gives them, no matter what it is.
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Okay, this I didn't read in any of the reviews.
-So only pandora lockscreen controls are gone or even play music?
-Hmm, and so we can't even expand those notifications? Maybe there's a setting for it? I don't know lol
-Well I'm sure this bug will get solved....hopefully
Anything else you didn't like?

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Okay guys, I have to ask. I have read numerous posts about Lollipop, including several reviews on several devices. I even tried a custom ROM on my tablet that is Lollipop based. I have to say it, I don't see what all of the fuss is about. I promptly returned to my Kit-Kat based ROM on my tablet, and I have yet to see any pressing reason to upgrade (I use the term loosely) my Moto G 2014 to Lollipop. In fact most of what I have read from those who have has been negative. Okay so there is ART, but I have been running that since I got my phone and on my tablet for 7 months without issues. And from everything I have read, customization is going to be much more difficult with Lollipop.
So tell me, am I just missing something really revolutionary or what?? Is there some dramatic increase in performance or memory efficiency? Or is it simply a matter of just wanting the latest OS. I am truly befuddled by all of the hoopla.
I await enlightenment.
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I agree with some of your points here, but to be honest for me it isn't lollipop that is lacking it is the Moto g, deep in my heart i love this device (mainly because of the battery life) but i don't think i can bare the 1 Gb of memory anymore and lack of development, i think the Nexus 5 got way more improvements and that's where all the excitement is coming from. The Nexus 5 was plagued with bad battery life and sub-par camera, audio latency was still bad (well this was a whole Android thing), etc and lollipop solved that. I think most of the excitement you are hearing is people with Nexus 4s and 5s, also a lot of new api's for developers. Yes there are things Google was retarded on removing, i'm hoping they listen to the community and add them back in 5.0.1. Oh and for what it is worth, for me certain apps on my Moto G would stutter like going into menus etc, like Tinder for instance on lollipop the stuttering is completely gone also i have more free ram and i think the battery life improved a little bit more.
[edit] Okay i take back what i said, i just headed over to the Nexus 5 forum and a lot of negative reviews too. I don't know, i don't really have no complaints of it on the G just wish i had more memory, but i knew what i was getting myself into.

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I agree with some of your points here, but to be honest for me it isn't lollipop that is lacking it is the Moto g, deep in my heart i love this device (mainly because of the battery life) but i don't think i can bare the 1 Gb of memory anymore and lack of development, i think the Nexus 5 got way more improvements and that's where all the excitement is coming from. The Nexus 5 was plagued with bad battery life and sub-par camera, audio latency was still bad (well this was a whole Android thing), etc and lollipop solved that. I think most of the excitement you are hearing is people with Nexus 4s and 5s, also a lot of new api's for developers. Yes there are things Google was retarded on removing, i'm hoping they listen to the community and add them back in 5.0.1. Oh and for what it is worth, for me certain apps on my Moto G would stutter like going into menus etc, like Tinder for instance on lollipop the stuttering is completely gone also i have more free ram and i think the battery life improved a little bit more.
[edit] Okay i take back what i said, i just headed over to the Nexus 5 forum and a lot of negative reviews too. I don't know, i don't really have no complaints of it on the G just wish i had more memory, but i knew what i was getting myself into.
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The memory issue is a big one for many folks, but I haven't seen any problems (so far) in the six weeks I've had my phone. I don't foresee it becoming a problem since the way I use doesn't tax the memory limits. The most demanding app I use is Hay Day, and it runs quite well. It does crash on occasion but it also crashes on my wife's Galaxy S-4, her TF-700 tablet and my TF-300T tablet as well, so that's an app issue not a device limitation. And I am extremely pleased with the phone performance. It is much improved over my previous phone.
But I can see how the memory would make a difference for many people. And if Lollipop helps then that is a good thing. However, it seems that we are giving up a lot to gain a little.

I was happy with JB & still like it. KK is a little better & I enjoy running it. However I don't care much for L. I tried hard to like it. It has a few features I liked but over all I didn't care for it. I think it is ugly for one & the bugs in 5.0 was driving me crazy.
I went back to KK for now.

I only hope that Lollipop helps bring some development to this phone, because it is really lacking and that is starting to make me want to sell it.

Hakkinan said:
I only hope that Lollipop helps bring some development to this phone, because it is really lacking and that is starting to make me want to sell it.
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I understand your frustration with the lack of development. Overall I am happy with my phone on stock Kit-Kat with it unlocked and rooted. I am able to remove some of the bloat which helps a lot. But it would be nice to see a custom ROM that allows overclocking and tweaking of the system to improve stability.
As it stands, I will stay with Kit-Kat and not upgrade to Lollipop. I have read way too many complaints about it, and as I said earlier, when I tried it on my tablet I was not at all impressed.

[Q] Not liking lollipop?

Anyone not liking Lollipop or not impressed with the first releases of L for our M7 devices? I see plenty who are praising the product. I myself really like the sleak Material design, but it might be my imagination but L doesn't seem quite as smooth as 4.4.2 and a few apps hang up here and there, the capacitive key light is a problem (as we all know).
Just wondered if anyone else has gone back to KitkKat, whether that be aosp, gpe or Sense and for what reason?
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maritimesbob said:
Anyone not liking Lollipop or not impressed with the first releases of L for our M7 devices? I see plenty who are praising the product. I myself really like the sleak Material design, but it might be my imagination but L doesn't seem quite as smooth as 4.4.2 and a few apps hang up here and there, the capacitive key light is a problem (as we all know).
Just wondered if anyone else has gone back to KitkKat, whether that be aosp, gpe or Sense and for what reason?
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I too am enjoying the material design 'overhaul' and to be honest have been spending so long with 'feature rich' ROMs it's nice to go back to the basics. I'm missing some of my favourite staples like the traffic monitor and lock screen targets but overall I'm really enjoying Lolipop.
Features I'm loving:
- Location based security
- Built in 'quiet hours'
- Built in battery analysis
- Recent apps overhaul (just now getting used to not closing all open apps)

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Anyone not liking Lollipop or not impressed with the first releases of L for our M7 devices? I see plenty who are praising the product. I myself really like the sleak Material design, but it might be my imagination but L doesn't seem quite as smooth as 4.4.2 and a few apps hang up here and there, the capacitive key light is a problem (as we all know).
Just wondered if anyone else has gone back to KitkKat, whether that be aosp, gpe or Sense and for what reason?
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I have long ago gone back to 4.4.4. Not only am I not a fan of the new temp Material remake but the issues with over all volume decrease and other issues are not worth it. Not to mention the really stupid in call screen. Not sure what they were thinking there.

Did you go back to stock GPE Zelendel?
Glad to hear there are a few not happy with L.

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Did you go back to stock GPE Zelendel?
Glad to hear there are a few not happy with L.
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No I went back to DU as it was my daily driver. Gpe is to bland for me with not enough options.

Also went back from lollipop to Sense 4.4.3
I prefer Sense UI and I'm not a huge fan of the new lollipop design. Some changes are great and some others I don't like at all.
Xposed framework incompatibility with ART is probably the main reason why I reverted back to Kitkat.

alray said:
Also went back from lollipop to Sense 4.4.3
I prefer Sense UI and I'm not a huge fan of the new lollipop design. Some changes are great and some others I don't like at all.
Xposed framework incompatibility with ART is probably the main reason why I reverted back to Kitkat.
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That may be a lasting issue. From some to not I have heard he is hardly working on it and is not really motivated to finish it as the direction Google is going is locking the system down for things like xposed.

I used Lollipop for few days because I had that mute call bug and only thing I liked is recent apps. Everything else is just not to my liking. I was so happy when I found out about mute call fix zip ?

I wonder if Lollipop roms will be less customisable than previous google releases?
Yeah I can see me switching back to KK at some point. We can always have the Material look with a theme engine. I miss the customisation that comes with KK and even Jellybean roms.
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zelendel said:
No I went back to DU as it was my daily driver. Gpe is to bland for me with not enough options.
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What is the DU rom you mentioned? Thanks.
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk

maritimesbob said:
I wonder if Lollipop roms will be less customisable than previous google releases?
Yeah I can see me switching back to KK at some point. We can always have the Material look with a theme engine. I miss the customisation that comes with KK and even Jellybean roms.
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
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Many are working on bringing the features to 5.0. Some are doing it wrong and just trying to port them over instead of redoing them to work properly but the features are coming. I wouldnt want to rush it mainly with google pushing so many updates on a daily basis. I mean we are already up to what 5.0.2r7 with 5.1 rumored to be out next month. The material design is just like the whole Holo deal. IT will pass. Google is even changing the color pallet after many complaints. So That is not a big deal really. Well unless your an app developer that made your app in the material design then come 6.0 or 7 they will have to redo it again to match what ever google decides to do then.

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What is the DU rom you mentioned? Thanks.
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
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It is Dirty unicorns, I also use Slim. I did use AICP for a while but have moved away from roms that use CM as a base.

Thanks for the info, I better be careful this doesn't turn into a roms comparison thread!
I am sure Lollipop roms will get better and better once devs get their heads around the software, start adding features. I am sure it's a very small percentage of phone users who even have 5.0 on their phones, a good portion are probably still Jellybean.
Myself, going back to a KK rom for now until the L roms mature a little more.

Anyone finding the aosp (inc cm) Lollipop roms better than GPE for stability, battery longevity etc?

I myself am liking the taste of the lollipop myself, tastes like strawberries runs much smoother than KK, battery life is great, all my apps are working, no faults with it what so ever.
The few issues I think many people are having with it and a lot seem to be complaining about, is HTC themselves haven't listened to anyone, the issues are with sense that HTC bang on top of Google's Android, the widgets are still to small and don't come right down, however there is a mod to fix this, cant stand the ugly white and black background on the clock and weather widget, im using Chronus for my clock and weather at the moment, I do miss xposed but not enough to revert back, there are for now alternatives for what I used xposed for, they just take a bit of hunting down.
The sense version of Lollipop is still a baby at the moment and Dev's are working on their apps already for Lollipop including xposed, it will come.
You have to remember that the ROM which LabFooter posted a few days ago is still very much in beta stage. its a leak and still in testing, any issues found can still be fixed yet.

Anyone else tried Lollipop and gone back to Kitkat or even Jellybean, and why? Just trying to keep the conversation going on this one as it's early days with Lollipop and all that. Figured there are many who like or dislike the operating system.

maritimesbob said:
Anyone else tried Lollipop and gone back to Kitkat or even Jellybean, and why? Just trying to keep the conversation going on this one as it's early days with Lollipop and all that. Figured there are many who like or dislike the operating system.
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I did. Lollipop is nice to look at, but IMO it's just that. It's still too buggy for me to use it. Back to good old KK and enjoying every minute

donkeykong1 said:
I did. Lollipop is nice to look at, but IMO it's just that. It's still too buggy for me to use it. Back to good old KK and enjoying every minute
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Took the words right out of my mouth, lollipop looks and feels real nice. But the poor functionality due to all the bugs it's just not usable as an every day Rom :good:

Dont' fix if ain't broken.
Besides not so many new functions I could use in Lolipop.
I prefer trustworthy KK over buggy loli.
Mike

sp5it said:
Dont' fix if ain't broken.
Besides not so many new functions I could use in Lolipop.
I prefer trustworthy KK over buggy loli.
Mike
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Exactly!!! [emoji106]

My personal opinion about Samsung's Lollipop release

I haven't seen much threads like this so I think people seem quite okay with samsungs Lollipop, but for me it seems to be even worse than Kitkat. Let me mention some things.
Wifi;
Nothing seems to work even worse than Wifi for me. I've changed some settings on the router, changed the auto change from 2.4 gHz to 5 to manual, yet I get this problem that the internet is terribly slow at some moments, and it stays there for like 30 minutes(Downloading a simple app from the play store like apex goes with 20 kb/s).
Functionality;
Everything pops in place as I was used to touchwiz, yet I miss the ambient display alot! Its the function that was very usefull on the stock Lollipop update, but yet Samsung decided to not add it to their software.
Performance;
Even while Antutu tells me my phone improved with the update, I can't see it back. some things just seem to be sluggish at some moments. Like the well known recent button problem which I don't really want to discuss as it is known. But also just opening the menu just seems to go with around 15-20 fps for me(Which just looks sluggish).
Now that might just be Eye candy, but I've installed "Sky Force" from the play store, and even that lags when too much happends in the game.
Batterylife;
From 7:00 AM to 19:00 PM I loose around 60-65% battery, I use my phone as a media player, got it connected with a Moto 360 and sometimes I play a game on it, check Facebook. Just the normal stuff I guess, yet I think this is way too much for my daily use, Battery stats pulls it on the Android system, and BBS doesn't seem to give clear answers to me, as there are crucial wakelocks happening which cannot be frozen.
The looks;
Now this is just something personal, as Touchwiz always had the look of a toy in a store with a big red button on it saying "Try me", I still do not prefer its new looks. Everything looks flat and all those colours just make me have a rainbow phone or something. Simply do not like it, but again; its personal.
Now where am I comparing this with?
As I've always used the note series, I remember my Note 2 being a beast of a phone, then after that the note 3 was impressive too.
When I had the Note 3, all I heared from people was the device being slow cause of bloatware, which never were a problem to me honostly. In these days Samsungs seems to try to improve that but I can simply not see it.
Also I've installed CM12 on the device, and when I see how butter smooth everything runs, switching from task to task, opening the menu. The expirience just enchances my idea of android. Yet it causes me to be limited with functions I cannot use.
Conclusion;
I always have thought that Samsungs software was ment to work better with their devices, but now I expirience the opposite. CM12 seems to work better for me, but yet I want to make use of the pen, pop up window and some s-health features.
So how do you think about the difference, I am curious how others think about my statements, and how you expirience CM12 <---> Touchwiz.

That's just the love hate relationship that most of us have with touchwiz. Love the extra features it offers over stock but hate the bloated memory hog with inconsistent performance it can be with even the most powerful hardware running it.
My Moto X 2014 lollipop is far smoother, faster, vastly more memory efficient allowing more apps to be open without refreshing content - and this is despite having slower processor, less ram and earlier version of Lollipop (5.0 v 5.0.1)
So yeah touchwiz annoys me, but as you say it offers some great additions over stock android that make you often overlook much of its uglier moments.

My Personal Opinion On This Thread That I'm Not Intrested In Buggy Lollipop Firmware I'm Happy With KK
Sent from my SM-N910G

It's indeed strange this "update" release. I updated my n910f through Odin to Lollipop and also think to go back to KK again but for now I'm gonna keep Lollipop a little more and hope Samsung briefly release a "definitve" Lollipop update.

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zabumba said:
It's indeed strange this "update" release. I updated my n910f through Odin to Lollipop and also think to go back to KK again but for now I'm gonna keep Lollipop a little more and hope Samsung briefly release a "definitve" Lollipop update.
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Armazia said:
I haven't seen much threads like this so I think people seem quite okay with samsungs Lollipop, but for me it seems to be even worse than Kitkat. Let me mention some things.
Wifi;
Nothing seems to work even worse than Wifi for me. I've changed some settings on the router, changed the auto change from 2.4 gHz to 5 to manual, yet I get this problem that the internet is terribly slow at some moments, and it stays there for like 30 minutes(Downloading a simple app from the play store like apex goes with 20 kb/s).
Functionality;
Everything pops in place as I was used to touchwiz, yet I miss the ambient display alot! Its the function that was very usefull on the stock Lollipop update, but yet Samsung decided to not add it to their software.
Performance;
Even while Antutu tells me my phone improved with the update, I can't see it back. some things just seem to be sluggish at some moments. Like the well known recent button problem which I don't really want to discuss as it is known. But also just opening the menu just seems to go with around 15-20 fps for me(Which just looks sluggish).
Now that might just be Eye candy, but I've installed "Sky Force" from the play store, and even that lags when too much happends in the game.
Batterylife;
From 7:00 AM to 19:00 PM I loose around 60-65% battery, I use my phone as a media player, got it connected with a Moto 360 and sometimes I play a game on it, check Facebook. Just the normal stuff I guess, yet I think this is way too much for my daily use, Battery stats pulls it on the Android system, and BBS doesn't seem to give clear answers to me, as there are crucial wakelocks happening which cannot be frozen.
The looks;
Now this is just something personal, as Touchwiz always had the look of a toy in a store with a big red button on it saying "Try me", I still do not prefer its new looks. Everything looks flat and all those colours just make me have a rainbow phone or something. Simply do not like it, but again; its personal.
Now where am I comparing this with?
As I've always used the note series, I remember my Note 2 being a beast of a phone, then after that the note 3 was impressive too.
When I had the Note 3, all I heared from people was the device being slow cause of bloatware, which never were a problem to me honostly. In these days Samsungs seems to try to improve that but I can simply not see it.
Also I've installed CM12 on the device, and when I see how butter smooth everything runs, switching from task to task, opening the menu. The expirience just enchances my idea of android. Yet it causes me to be limited with functions I cannot use.
Conclusion;
I always have thought that Samsungs software was ment to work better with their devices, but now I expirience the opposite. CM12 seems to work better for me, but yet I want to make use of the pen, pop up window and some s-health features.
So how do you think about the difference, I am curious how others think about my statements, and how you expirience CM12 <---> Touchwiz.
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Hey dude!!
Nice work here.
Please, can you tell me where did you find the CM 12 to our Note 4 N910C?
I´d like to install, but i can´t find to download.
Thank you!

renanterzi said:
Hey dude!!
Nice work here.
Please, can you tell me where did you find the CM 12 to our Note 4 N910C?
I´d like to install, but i can´t find to download.
Thank you!
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I think there is no release of it for the N910C, just for the N910F(international)

Armazia said:
I think there is no release of it for the N910C, just for the N910F(international)
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Ok man.
Thanks any way!

Armazia said:
I think there is no release of it for the N910C, just for the N910F(international)
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It's also available for the 910T and 910W8

renanterzi said:
Ok man.
Thanks any way!
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Exynos variants very early builds are being developed by RaymanFX, but we're still far from daily-driver level.

KK is stable for me. I will wait for few more months until bugs have been sorted out.
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