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Who are interested to see Linux also on this device?
The process should be very similar to Hermes implementation, so we can follow their steps.
Interesting
is it possible to do dual boot ? how will phone functionality etc work?
kimusan said:
is it possible to do dual boot ? how will phone functionality etc work?
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answering myself: yes it is, which means that I am in! I would love to help with the investigation for getting linux on this device. Looks like the new haret (01/01/2007) works well on trinity. I have successfully telnetted to it and executed several different commands.
kimusan said:
Looks like the new haret (01/01/2007) works well on trinity. I have successfully telnetted to it and executed several different commands.
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Register a machine number for it.
Are the trinity internals known as good as the Hermes ?
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Register a machine number for it.
Are the trinity internals known as good as the Hermes ?
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What do you mean by Register a machine number? where do I do this? As far as I know, the internals are pretty well known. We have pictures that identifies all the relevant chips, and schematics for a lot of the chipset.
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What do you mean by Register a machine number? where do I do this?
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http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/machines/
As far as I know, the internals are pretty well known. We have pictures that identifies all the relevant chips, and schematics for a lot of the chipset.
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Do you have a link ?
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http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/machines/
Do you have a link ?
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It is in one (or more) of the threads in the trinity forum here at xdadevelopers. I do not have the direct links here, but have seen them recently. it is most likely in oone of the "GPS or not GPS" threads.
I have now registered the HTC Trinity/P3600
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Do you have a link ?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=285090
See first attachment, Mainboard.zip contains front and back pictures of Trinity's mainboard, with all chipsets.
Look here for the schemes:
http://www.solopalmari.com/content/view/2471/38/
page 2 and 3.
How is the state of art in porting linux on this device?
And on Hermes? Does the kernel boot?
With wm6 do you have to hard reset every time you try to boot the kernel?
Maybe Pof can answer these questions.
Thanks
@renatostore: cr2 and Kevin2 are the guys working on it, come into #htc-linux at freenode irc network.
On hermes the kernel boots, and we can load a minimal initrd using haret. On trinity i haven't checked lastly.
You don't need to hard reset afer booting linux, that was only on WM2003
Hi
How about linux on trinity? i've been on the irc channel but didn't get any answer... a few months passed... i'm in hope!
I don't have high hope on that. Heard it's very difficult to debug stuff in Linux due to the lack of a hardware kb....
why do you want linux on this phone? you are not going to be able to cross-compile apps over and I don't see a useful app in linux that wm6 doesn't have already for a phone.
Hi...
Still interested...
Had someexperience with h36xx and h38xx/h39xx series HP/Compaq PDA's and familiar linux, and it would be very cool to have some of this running on the HTC hardware too...
Anyone already had a ROM cooked up with kernel/basic apps?
Any idea what will/does work and what won't/doesn't? like phone, camera, wifi, gprs, bluetooth, ...
Thanks!
bkortleven said:
Any idea what will/does work and what won't/doesn't? like phone, camera, wifi, gprs, bluetooth, ...
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Check the hermes wiki.
trinity is the hermes without keyboard, minor differences are unimportant
The future of Linux on PDAs is Andromeda. Don't expect this to be implemented on existing devices - Andromeda will be a means to deliver new devices to the market.
While you will most likely need a new phone for Andromeda, you will gain a complete platform with stylish and working applications, so you will be able to actually use the device right from the start.
Have fun!
Sorry, maybe a stupid question.
Is it not possible to flash one of the HTC ROM's onto X1?
Nope, it will not work.
I figured that much, but can someone on here maybe explain? From what I could see it has the same processor as X1 etc.
LFCFredda said:
Nope, it will not work.
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Hero/Dream/Magic are running android, not windows mobile....they are working on making an android version for the X1.
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WC
HTC said Sense UI will be avail on windows mobile as well...but in the meantime theres quite a few tread people porting linux android over to windows and xperia u should read up on that
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HTC said Sense UI will be avail on windows mobile as well...but in the meantime theres quite a few tread people porting linux android over to windows and xperia u should read up on that
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I know people are trying to get android onto X1 and hence my question. Why is it not possible to just use the android rom (with some mods) from the HTC phones as most of the hardware seems similar?
stevenvm said:
I know people are trying to get android onto X1 and hence my question. Why is it not possible to just use the android rom (with some mods) from the HTC phones as most of the hardware seems similar?
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I guess we just have to wait to see what the amazing cooks come up with!
stevenvm said:
I figured that much, but can someone on here maybe explain? From what I could see it has the same processor as X1 etc.
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it's basicly misc Hardware stuff.
CPU might be the same same jeah, but evyerthing else is not. neither the chipsets for the keyboard are, nor is the chipset for making phonecalls, nor the memory and so on.
it's liek trying to fit a Mazda Elektronics into a ford ka. maybe u can squeeze it in but im sure it wont work since the electronic doesnt know any part of the new car.
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it's basicly misc Hardware stuff.
CPU might be the same same jeah, but evyerthing else is not. neither the chipsets for the keyboard are, nor is the chipset for making phonecalls, nor the memory and so on.
it's liek trying to fit a Mazda Elektronics into a ford ka. maybe u can squeeze it in but im sure it wont work since the electronic doesnt know any part of the new car.
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i notice some fatal mistakes in your setence
achmed20 said:
it's basicly misc Hardware stuff.
CPU might be the same same jeah, but evyerthing else is not. neither the chipsets for the keyboard are, nor is the chipset for making phonecalls, nor the memory and so on.
it's liek trying to fit a Mazda Elektronics into a ford ka. maybe u can squeeze it in but im sure it wont work since the electronic doesnt know any part of the new car.
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electronic doesn't need to know the car. because in computer systems, there exist another layer between the electronic and the car.
it's called the kernel. hardware abstraction layer.
it'll work... just need someone free enough to make it work.
no further explanations please! lets pretend it is magic
/me swings the magic wand
ps: jeah i know .. im king of typos and abstract examples ^^
Is there anybody working on this right now?
Would love a Hero/etc android ROM on my X1, definitely. Just got a Hero and I'm loving it to bits.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kovsky Linux
i think so.such as a computer with Windows or linux or sth. else ..
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I'm very surprised because tuxhero said yesterday that the blackstone has compass harware:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4304713&postcount=833
bad link... you cant link it with dots: )
Not sure but some sources say that we have it.
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I'm very surprised because tuxhero said yesterday that the blackstone has compass harware:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...&postcount=833
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Your link does not work
Fallen Spartan said:
Your link does not work
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4304713&postcount=833
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Not sure but some sources say that we have it.
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"1. Today i came to know that our Blackstone has Compass Hardware too and we have code for it too."
Seems to me that you were sure?
Moony1987 said:
"1. Today i came to know that our Blackstone has Compass Hardware too and we have code for it too."
Seems to me that you were sure?
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Ya but not tested it to be so sure
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Ya but not tested it to be so sure
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Ahh righto
I think we do have.
Thats the shame 'bout HTC (besides da poor quality of hard- and software): they setup ONE hardware and make 5 PDAs with slighty changed details. they were never interested in making good hardware.. everytime they took something away the previous model had... now, they do have android and are able to clone nearly the same device just with another OS.
in commercial aspects, this makes sense.... but as consumer I can only think of it as a pain in the neck. my old universal has a high res display, a 3,5mm audioconnector, a well made keyboard and a fast cpu... years ago... a shame it is the size of a brick .
If someone would mad it possible to use the Compass HW with WinMo i would gladly set a bounty of 50$.
Goal would be a little App to proof that it ist working plus the sourcecode for other Devs.
Does anyone join in?
its probably another 'tv out' scenario...
basically the chipset has the tech but other required hardware / software is not present hence the features can never be used.
why on earth HTC cripple devices like this is boggling.....if the HD had been released with TV-out (which the qualcomm chipset supports) & a hw compass (to be confimed) it would have levelled the competition.....
i am sure their marketing strategy has good reasons for not doing...but as said earlier from the consumers point of view its a pain in the butt...especially considering some of us are locked in 24 month contracts.!! so wont be purchasing other handsets even if we wanted too.
lets hope some clever devs find a way to unlock these features!! (if possible)
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its probably another 'tv out' scenario...
basically the chipset has the tech but other required hardware / software is not present hence the features can never be used.
why on earth HTC cripple devices like this is boggling.....if the HD had been released with TV-out (which the qualcomm chipset supports) & a hw compass (to be confimed) it would have levelled the competition.....
i am sure their marketing strategy has good reasons for not doing...but as said earlier from the consumers point of view its a pain in the butt...especially considering some of us are locked in 24 month contracts.!! so wont be purchasing other handsets even if we wanted too.
lets hope some clever devs find a way to unlock these features!! (if possible)
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I disagree your argumentation:
Developers here wrote drivers to implement TMC and RDS into the features of the Blackstone. HTC hasn´t done it yet.
HTC seems to leave possible feature unused. Maybe to save time for their developers.
The old topic of a missing video driver is another example for that.
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If someone would mad it possible to use the Compass HW with WinMo i would gladly set a bounty of 50$.
Goal would be a little App to proof that it ist working plus the sourcecode for other Devs.
Does anyone join in?
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50$ from me for unlocking the feature + another 100$ if anyone makes it work with Google Maps + another 100$ if someone makes an augmented reality app like Wikitude (Android).
Only if it's done before the release of the HTC Leo
It's a AK8976A chip
well i would chip in $50 as well .. if it worked !!
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It's a AK8976A chip
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is the same that dream phone?
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haha, did anyone think that they mite have released the phone in haste, or maybe they did it on purpose to allow the release of the HD pro to include such features, along with a 128GB internal memory (i wish).
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haha, did anyone think that they mite have released the phone in haste, or maybe they did it on purpose to allow the release of the HD pro to include such features, along with a 128GB internal memory (i wish).
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Sometimes happen... It's true that more with anothers brands (apple), I can remember Ipod touch, iphone, wifi in the macs....
may be this time no but is possible.
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I've read the same thread from Tuxhero and I have to see it before I believe it. The only thing we've got is a blanket statement that he has read it somewhere. Someone else created slight confusion on this site before with similar statements.
Not saying that he's lying (in fact, I hope he's right), a source would help. Until then, I'm not getting my hopes up.
Im guessin they didnt include alot of features cause when the phone was released whoever ws going to buy it would buy it anyway, and when competitors (Iphone3gs) release phones with features like the compass thing etc , htc can easily release newer phones with the same features ... sort of like having it ready on earlier models so when they need to release it they can quickly!
My guess
hi! dunno if this is the right place to post this though!
is it possible to port windows rt to nexus 4 and dual boot it with android? would be just great!
Yes it's the wrong place, this is for work you have done not requests.
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unlvmike said:
Yes it's the wrong place, this is for work you have done not requests.
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Well really general is for anything that involves the N4. since he didn't Development anything it doesn't go there. This could be posted in the Q/A other wise. To answer your question. Most likely the answer is no. Windows RT is closed source so it would be very hard for it to be ported to a Android phone. Also no one will most likely be willing to port it to our phone since we have a Great Android phone not a Windows Phone.
Even though they ported it to the HD2.
Eric-1987 said:
Even though they ported it to the HD2.
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Which is a Windows (Mobile) Phone
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Eric-1987 said:
Even though they ported it to the HD2.
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It could be possible but the dev coutulla(something like that) is responsible for porting xp, WP7, RT, and more. He has not changed devices so it is unlikely that someone else has his skillset because we haven't seen anyone successfully do what he did.
The dev that did that is a genius, but we might not be able to replicate that without a different boot loader. On android devices, the bootloaders are designed to load android, so we'd need a way to design or modify a boot loader to boot up another os like windows rt or boot2geckgo. Although this device is extremely open, the HTC hd2 is much more so in that you can modify every single aspect about it going even further than the os and mess with partitions that are locked down most of the time.
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Not 100% sure but since windows is closed source and copyrighted would it even be legal to port it? It would be like downloading pirated windows to your pc. I could see windows phones getting android but not the other way around
i whas wondering, windowsphone 8 has not been ported coz its closed source.
if it whas open source, could it be ported to existing androids like galaxy s2 or xperia?
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Im pretty sure it isnt open source... but I may be wrong... but if it was open then it could be ported but it would need quite a bit if work done
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Im pretty sure it isnt open source... but I may be wrong... but if it was open then it could be ported but it would need quite a bit if work done
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wp8 isnt open source.
i think there needs to be alot done to make it even boot.
not?
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i whas wondering, windowsphone 8 has not been ported coz its closed source.
if it whas open source, could it be ported to existing androids like galaxy s2 or xperia?
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The short answer is, yes, but it won't be easy and it will take a long time to do so. I'm sure though it will be done because it will be quite a feather in their cap if a dev or team of devs could pull that off
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i whas wondering, windowsphone 8 has ......
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From what I understand the phones processor base would have to be x86-x64 capable.
Could be incorrect, yet I'm sure a ported windows would need friendly hardware so it would depend on the device.
NVIDIA lists CPU and OS compatibility charts (too lazy to look em up)
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From what I understand the phones processor base would have to be x86-x64 capable.
Could be incorrect, yet I'm sure a ported windows would need friendly hardware so it would depend on the device.
NVIDIA lists CPU and OS compatibility charts (too lazy to look em up)
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wp8 phones are ARM too. Not? correct me if im wrong
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Windows Phone 7 was ported to the HD2(aka, best phone ever).
It can be done, but it would be difficult.
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If ifs and buts were candy and nuts ib4l.
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Similarly, If only's and just's were candies and nuts, then everyday would be Erntedankfest!
Android bootloaders would have to be modified or over written to boot wp8. The moment we got it booting Microsoft would have a cease and desist order ready.
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Odp: If wp8 whas open-cource, could it be ported to existing android phones?
It could be, for sure. It supports ARM processors, so with a lot (and I mean A LOT) of work, it could be even a daily driver. But because it is closed source, it would be illegal to run it on anything that was not running any Windows originally.
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