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Tmo Tab over At&t tab?

Hey everyone,
Just wondering if there any big difference between between the Tmobile and AT&T samsung tab?
Does one have better features or better pre-loaded apps? Are both easily rootable? If so, which is better?

The only internal hardware difference is that the T-Mobile tab supports the T-Mobile 3G bands whereas the ATT tab supports ATT bands. Also, the ATT tab will be better if you were to travel a lot in Europe as it can support European 3G frequencies.
There are also some changes in design on the back of the tab (mostly in regards to color). As for preinstalled apps, I an unsure as I do not own a T-Mobile tab.

synplex said:
Hey everyone,
Just wondering if there any big difference between between the Tmobile and AT&T samsung tab?
Does one have better features or better pre-loaded apps? Are both easily rootable? If so, which is better?
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The T-Mobile one will work with T-Mobiles faster 3G HSPA+ network. Not at 4G though, just faster than 3G. However, this it not available everywhere.
In the EU, the T-Mobile version will only support Edge, whereas the AT&T version will support 3G.

The most important piece is AT&T version could be used as a phone w Euro firmware and an existing AT&T SIM card. Sounded like you're not an AT&T user but it's doable.
For Tmob tab, you could also set it up as a phone but you will need a data plan then setup GV+IPKall+SIPDroid if you don't want to pay for Skype.

caveman999 said:
The only internal hardware difference is that the T-Mobile tab supports the T-Mobile 3G bands whereas the ATT tab supports ATT bands. Also, the ATT tab will be better if you were to travel a lot in Europe as it can support European 3G frequencies.
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The TMo Tab supports European 3G frequencies too.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
The TMo Tab supports European 3G frequencies too.
Regards,
Dave
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It can?
I know it wont wont in the UK, as their 3G frequency is 2100 and i believe the T-Mobile tab uses a different frequency for uploads vs downloads (1700 and 2100).

dh010447 said:
It can?
I know it wont wont in the UK, as their 3G frequency is 2100 and i believe the T-Mobile tab uses a different frequency for uploads vs downloads (1700 and 2100).
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It will work in the UK.
Read the specs. Follow the link, and click on specs.
The TMo US Tab supports:
850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
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The UK, and the pretty much the world outside of North America, uses UMTS Band I.
Regards,
Dave
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
It will work in the UK.
Read the specs. Follow the link, and click on specs.
The TMo US Tab supports:
The UK, and the pretty much the world outside of North America, uses UMTS Band I.
Regards,
Dave
Regards,
Dave
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I got the specs from Samsung's website, they are posted as:
GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900; UMTS : Band IV(1700), I(2100) & Wi-Fi
I read the UMTS bands as the AWS 1700/2100, (1700Mhz u/l; 2100Mhz d/l) not AWS(1700/2100) and UMTS 2100 (so only able to download on the 2100, not upload on this frequency).
It does seem a little unclear, but if it really does support 2100Mhz upload and download, that would be awesome!! Would also mean you could unlock it and put a 3G AT&T Sim in it...
Anyone know this for sure?

dh010447 said:
if it really does support 2100Mhz upload and download, that would be awesome!! Would also mean you could unlock it and put a 3G AT&T Sim in it...
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Doesn't Att 3g run off of 850/1900Mhz, not 2100?

ap3604 said:
Doesn't Att 3g run off of 850/1900Mhz, not 2100?
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Yeah - your right, 1900 not 2100. Getting a bit carried away....

dh010447 said:
I read the UMTS bands as the AWS 1700/2100, (1700Mhz u/l; 2100Mhz d/l) not AWS(1700/2100) and UMTS 2100 (so only able to download on the 2100, not upload on this frequency).
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Trust me, it's fine.
Band IV is AWS and completely separate from Band I. Even the Samsung website explicitly mentions the bands it supports. European 3G uses Band I so it will work.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Trust me, it's fine.
Band IV is AWS and completely separate from Band I. Even the Samsung website explicitly mentions the bands it supports. European 3G uses Band I so it will work.
Regards,
Dave
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That is awesome.. The only thing, other than cost, holding me back was that it might not work in the UK.
Now I just have to convince myself that i will get $350 + monthly data use out of it. Price, though expensive, is not really an issue but if I bought it and didn't use it, i would get into trouble from the missus.... :s

Flash T-Mobile Tab to support AT&T Voice
FYI - I followed Rotohammer's directions and i flashed a T-Mobile Tab, then unlocked it, and after I inserted my AT&T sim, I had phone and Edge:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=886714
However, I'm trying to figure out if I can load a new modem and get AT&T 3G on this tab (bought from T-Mobile)? I tried the bell modem but it didn't work. Am I safe to assume that the T-Mobile hardware will support AT&T 3G and I only need to find the right software?
Thanks - these forums are great... Sorry if this is the wrong spot.

caryawilson said:
FYI - I followed Rotohammer's directions and i flashed a T-Mobile Tab, then unlocked it, and after I inserted my AT&T sim, I had phone and Edge:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=886714
However, I'm trying to figure out if I can load a new modem and get AT&T 3G on this tab (bought from T-Mobile)? I tried the bell modem but it didn't work. Am I safe to assume that the T-Mobile hardware will support AT&T 3G and I only need to find the right software?
Thanks - these forums are great... Sorry if this is the wrong spot.
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Don't waste your time and or brick your Tab. Tmo Tab will never get 3G on an ATT sim card because it doesn't do 3G on 850/1900mhz band. Hardware doesn't support ATT's 3G bands.

dh010447 said:
That is awesome.. The only thing, other than cost, holding me back was that it might not work in the UK.
Now I just have to convince myself that i will get $350 + monthly data use out of it. Price, though expensive, is not really an issue but if I bought it and didn't use it, i would get into trouble from the missus.... :s
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I understand the feeling. I initially went with the Tmobile version but at a data rate coming up to almost $70 after taxes ($59.99 unlimited data for not having my phone with Tmobile), I took it back, paid the $10 restocking fee and went with the at&t version. After roto's rom to enable phone i just plop in my existing unlimited (grandfathered) at&t sim and i'm golden.
Either way I did the analysis....and i believe it was after like 8 months the AT&T version comes out cheaper and if i recall that was WITH the 2GB data plan included.
Excel is your friend!

trinikartel said:
I initially went with the Tmobile version but at a data rate coming up to almost $70 after taxes ($59.99 unlimited data for not having my phone with Tmobile), I took it back, paid the $10 restocking fee and went with the at&t version.
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Huh? $59.99 per month?
I thought it was just $39.99/mo for 5GB of data on T-mo even if the tablet was your only device...

trinikartel said:
I understand the feeling. I initially went with the Tmobile version but at a data rate coming up to almost $70 after taxes ($59.99 unlimited data for not having my phone with Tmobile), I took it back, paid the $10 restocking fee and went with the at&t version. After roto's rom to enable phone i just plop in my existing unlimited (grandfathered) at&t sim and i'm golden.
Either way I did the analysis....and i believe it was after like 8 months the AT&T version comes out cheaper and if i recall that was WITH the 2GB data plan included.
Excel is your friend!
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Tmo does not have a $59.99 data-only plan. It's $39.99 for 5GB, after which you're throttled past the 5GB allotment. No overages.
But i prefer AT&T's $24.99 2GB plan (don't need calling, already have a phone). The price is just right. Still looking to trade my Tmo Tab for an ATT one...

Yup caught me off guard. The the tmo salesman explained it to me instore. If or when I take my phone with tmo I will get a $10 discount on the data plan. Fishy but whatever, I was never a t-mobile customer so I just went along with it but yes normally its 39.99

Bumping this as I was going to get a WiFi only TAB but with its inferior hardware I'm looking at a 3G TAB.
On Amazon the Tmobile version is a lot cheaper at $475 than the AT&T version at $550, not sure why?
Anyway I'll be using it in Europe so it seems the Tmobile version would do the trick with its 2100Mhz frequency?

webvan said:
Bumping this as I was going to get a WiFi only TAB but with its inferior hardware I'm looking at a 3G TAB.
On Amazon the Tmobile version is a lot cheaper at $475 than the AT&T version at $550, not sure why?
Anyway I'll be using it in Europe so it seems the Tmobile version would do the trick with its 2100Mhz frequency?
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The AT&T version has always been more expensive...just the way it's been priced I guess. If your only or mainly going to be using it in Europe you will be fine with the T-Mobile version as it will run 3G on 900/2100 over there
If you're keen on digging around with different roms and are comfortable flashing around then go for it. But if you're looking for a smooth out of the box experience off the bat (with calling etc enable) I'd wait and pick up one over there....just my 2 cents

[Q] Will unlocked T-Mobile HTC 8X work on AT&T?

Here is the spec sheet: http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=Windows-Phone-8X-by-HTC
I don't know the carrier standards very well. After I unlock it, will it work on AT&T and will I get full speed data?
Thanks in advance,
Barry

BarryF said:
Here is the spec sheet: http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=Windows-Phone-8X-by-HTC
I don't know the carrier standards very well. After I unlock it, will it work on AT&T and will I get full speed data?
Thanks in advance,
Barry
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Looks like the T-Mobile version does not have LTE, so that will not work.
UTMS [3G] HSPA(+) [3.5G] should work as the T-mobile version has the same bands as the AT&T version.

matthew5025 said:
Looks like the T-Mobile version does not have LTE, so that will not work.
UTMS [3G] HSPA(+) [3.5G] should work as the T-mobile version has the same bands as the AT&T version.
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Thanks very much for your reply. If I unlocked the AT&T model instead, would I get max data speed on both carriers?
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/de...htc-8gb-california-blue.html#fbid=G0E5YWfcKDA

BarryF said:
Thanks very much for your reply. If I unlocked the AT&T model instead, would I get max data speed on both carriers?
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/de...htc-8gb-california-blue.html#fbid=G0E5YWfcKDA
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The AT&T model seems to lack the 1700 band T-Mobile uses, although all the rest of the frequency are present, and will most likely to work with T-Mobile's upcoming LTE network. If in your area, T-Mobile uses the 1700Mhz frequency, you will have a problem.

matthew5025 said:
The AT&T model seems to lack the 1700 band T-Mobile uses, although all the rest of the frequency are present, and will most likely to work with T-Mobile's upcoming LTE network. If in your area, T-Mobile uses the 1700Mhz frequency, you will have a problem.
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I'm going to buy the AT&T model since it has LTE (and is $100 cheaper). It's just a dev phone so it's not the end of the world if I don't get 3G. I'll post here how it goes.

BarryF said:
I'm going to buy the AT&T model since it has LTE (and is $100 cheaper). It's just a dev phone so it's not the end of the world if I don't get 3G. I'll post here how it goes.
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Enjoy your new phone. Don't mind me asking, but why did you decide to get the 8X over the 920?

matthew5025 said:
Enjoy your new phone. Don't mind me asking, but why did you decide to get the 8X over the 920?
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Because all the Nokia phones are heavy bricks. Honestly they are the heaviest smartphones I've ever held.

BarryF said:
Because all the Nokia phones are heavy bricks. Honestly they are the heaviest smartphones I've ever held.
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Barry,
You probably bought your phone by now. For whatever it's worth, I just checked with HTC about Developer Edition of the "One" and although it lists all the frequencies in the spec sheet, they said it will only get 2G speeds on the T-Mobile network. Yes, that is 2G. Not 3G, not UMTS either, and of course no LTE. You might be better off with the AT&T version then. On the other hand, I just signed up with AT&T 4 months ago and have nothing but disconnects, dropped calls, garbled speech or no data whatsoever in my area. I have an HTC One X+. To me, it looks like they totally did an awesome job in marketing, when I was getting excellent reception and none of the above problems with T-Mobile. Again, it could be the area or AT&T's network.
I hope that helps.
Take care,
MW

i have an algerithim for t mobile 8x i would like for you to see barry it unlocks
BarryF said:
Here is the spec sheet: http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=Windows-Phone-8X-by-HTC
I don't know the carrier standards very well. After I unlock it, will it work on AT&T and will I get full speed data?
Thanks in advance,
Barry
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barry I know im new but I have tested an algorithm on two t mobile window 8 phones and unlocked them and I would like to share with you and see what you think

[Q] Sprint HTC One on Verizon?

Has anyone tried paying full price for an HTC One at a Sprint Store and then sticking a Verizon LTE SIM in it? The specs seem to indicate that it supports LTE band 13 that Verizon uses and the 850/1900 cdma bands that is uses?

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You will not get LTE on verizon with a sprint phone.
You could do an esn swap to get 3g and voice if you wanted.

gnex4ever said:
Has anyone tried paying full price for an HTC One at a Sprint Store and then sticking a Verizon LTE SIM in it? The specs seem to indicate that it supports LTE band 13 that Verizon uses and the 850/1900 cdma bands that is uses?
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If you buy a device at full price its no different than a device bought on contract. At least that's how it is in our preferred store and the same applies to corporate as far as I know. It's no like an apple store where you can request an unlocked device. You'd still have to request to have it unlocked by Sprint international. Also considering the 1900 band is the only band that crosses over between sprint and verizon I really don't see the value. Maybe it's just me in my area but roaming is even more useless than the 0.9mb/s I get on sprint.

Darkendvoid88 said:
If you buy a device at full price its no different than a device bought on contract. At least that's how it is in our preferred store and the same applies to corporate as far as I know. It's no like an apple store where you can request an unlocked device. You'd still have to request to have it unlocked by Sprint international. Also considering the 1900 band is the only band that crosses over between sprint and verizon I really don't see the value. Maybe it's just me in my area but roaming is even more useless than the 0.9mb/s I get on sprint.
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The HTC ONE, like nearly all modern smartphones is capable of operating on multiple frequencies, network types and communications technologies. However, my assumption is that the Sprint version is carrier locked to prevent use on other networks by default. Not sure that their unlocking process would open the phone to other networks.

gnex4ever said:
Has anyone tried paying full price for an HTC One at a Sprint Store and then sticking a Verizon LTE SIM in it? The specs seem to indicate that it supports LTE band 13 that Verizon uses and the 850/1900 cdma bands that is uses?
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You wouldn't be able to straight up put in a Verizon LTE SIM and expect it to work that would be too easy.
I would guess it's possible, but you would need a donor LTE phone. Based on looking in the HTC EVO 4g LTE forums people have put that phone on another carrier and used a donor 3g phone to get 3g working. Same could most likely be possible for the HTC One. I guess if you have enough money to buy this phone outright as well as have a donor LTE phone you can probably pay someone to do this. Only limitation would be that the 16 digit password for some programs to write specific information is most likely not available yet.

[Q] Note 3 AT&T(unlocked) vs international

So I am planning on pre-ordering the N9005. My problem is that I travel frequently between the states and Europe. So I either get LTE here or in Europe.
I have always gotten the international versions for my other devices (S2,Note2,S3,note 10.1 3g). But since I spend most of the year in the states I wanted to get the AT&T LTE version.
However, I don't really want the AT&T firmwares, so I was wondering if I could flash an international firmware on the AT&T unlocked note 3? One of the reasons for this is I know that for instance you could not do tethering without rooting your phone (I am planning on rooting mine) on your AT&T handheld.
I know it's not a big deal, but I want my phone to have the international firmware of my choice, not AT&T's. Thank you

AT&T / T-Mobile compatibility
I would like to know the answer to this as well. Here are the two versions I am eyeing:
Samsung Galaxy Note 3 32GB LTE (AT&T) (Unlocked)
SKU SMGALNTEAUB
3G/4G bands 1900, 2100, 850
LTE Bands 1700, 1900, 2100, 700, 850
Samsung Galaxy Note 3 32GB LTE (N9005 - International) (Unlocked)
SKU SMGN9005UB
3G/4G bands 1900, 2100, 850, 900
LTE Bands 1800, 2100, 2600, 800, 850, 900
Was hoping one of the versions would work on both AT&T and T-Mobile....

Well, the international version won't work on either, you need the 1700/2100 (I.e. 1700) band for the international version to work on either networks, and that's missing from the international version. So I want to know the downsides of getting the att version.

sharl1987 said:
Well, the international version won't work on either, you need the 1700/2100 (I.e. 1700) band for the international version to work on either networks, and that's missing from the international version. So I want to know the downsides of getting the att version.
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Not trying to start an argument or anything but just wondering, are you positive about that? The international version has the 2100 band as well as the 850 band and I have read in multiple places, as well as hearing during the Samsung unveiling that it would work on AT&T LTE...
Maybe I'm just confused?

bekyndnunwind said:
Not trying to start an argument or anything but just wondering, are you positive about that? The international version has the 2100 band as well as the 850 band and I have read in multiple places, as well as hearing during the Samsung unveiling that it would work on AT&T LTE...
Maybe I'm just confused?
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Since I am new here, I can't post any links still, but if you go to newegg dot com or to negrielectronics dot com you can see the specs for the international version, they are missing the 1700 band.

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bekyndnunwind said:
Not trying to start an argument or anything but just wondering, are you positive about that? The international version has the 2100 band as well as the 850 band and I have read in multiple places, as well as hearing during the Samsung unveiling that it would work on AT&T LTE...
Maybe I'm just confused?
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Like the other user said you need the 1700 band to get AT&T LTE frequency. The 850 band is for H+ at&t so yes the international version will only work on at&t H+.
What Samsung probably meant by " it will work on all networks" is that they will support all LTE networks if you buy the correct model for your network.

sharl1987 said:
I know it's not a big deal, but I want my phone to have the international firmware of my choice, not AT&T's. Thank you
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You should only get the AT&T variant if you prove that LTE is faster than HSPA+ in your area. Either use your current phone or use one at an AT&T store and turn off LTE. Run a speed test, turn LTE back on and run the test again, and compare.
It's possible to some international ROMs on carrier branded devices, but not all are compatible. At the VERY least, you'll have to manually configure the AT&T APN, you may also have to manually re-flash radios in order to connect to AT&T towers.
Some crafty devs have made an Aroma installer to do all this stuff while it loads their ROM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2324565
Just know that you're in for a bit more tinkering if you plan on going this route. But there's no reason to go through all the trouble if there isn't LTE in your area or it currently runs poorly.

Lets hope it wont be bootloader locked

daraj said:
Lets hope it wont be bootloader locked
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Not that it's ANYTHING close to official, but the link in the second post shows it's not.

docnok63 said:
Not that it's ANYTHING close to official, but the link in the second post shows it's not.
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Im pretty sure by Unlocked they mean Sim Unlocked( u can use on other networks). There is no AT&T units that we know of to confirm whether its bootloader locked or not, but we are only assuming based on recent at&t attempts to lock down their devices.

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Im pretty sure by Unlocked they mean Sim Unlocked( u can use on other networks). There is no AT&T units that we know of to confirm whether its bootloader locked or not, but we are only assuming based on recent at&t attempts to lock down their devices.
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You're probably right. I think the AT&T will be bootloader locked as well based on the S4 being locked down.

Doesn't atnt need 700 band for lte also?

@rbiter said:
Doesn't atnt need 700 band for lte also?
Yes I believe at&t operates on both 700/1700 bands for LTE
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daraj said:
Doesn't atnt need 700 band for lte also?
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Yes I believe at&t operates on both 700/1700 bands for LTE
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Actually, according to AT&T's website and to their phones' specs, you don't need the 700 band, just the 1700/2100 (I.e. 1700) band.
I believe only Sprint uses the 700 band for lte
Edit: I looked at the AT&T website again, I believe they plan on using the 700 band in the future, but they are not utilizing it now. I might be wrong, so don't take my word for it.

sharl1987 said:
Actually, according to AT&T's website and to their phones' specs, you don't need the 700 band, just the 1700/2100 (I.e. 1700) band.
I believe only Sprint uses the 700 band for lte
Edit: I looked at the AT&T website again, I believe they plan on using the 700 band in the future, but they are not utilizing it now. I might be wrong, so don't take my word for it.
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Actually FCC just approved AT&T's purchase of 700 Mhz spectrum so they will utilize the said band for LTE and Wimax possibly
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=187&p=231

sharl1987 said:
So I am planning on pre-ordering the N9005. My problem is that I travel frequently between the states and Europe. So I either get LTE here or in Europe.
I have always gotten the international versions for my other devices (S2,Note2,S3,note 10.1 3g). But since I spend most of the year in the states I wanted to get the AT&T LTE version.
However, I don't really want the AT&T firmwares, so I was wondering if I could flash an international firmware on the AT&T unlocked note 3? One of the reasons for this is I know that for instance you could not do tethering without rooting your phone (I am planning on rooting mine) on your AT&T handheld.
I know it's not a big deal, but I want my phone to have the international firmware of my choice, not AT&T's. Thank you
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May I ask why t-mobile's unlocked note 3 is not in your list? It appears it will work equally well on AT&T, and there's a much greater chnace of it having an unlocked bootloader. There aren't as many 4G frequencies, so maybe LTE when you're abroad won't always work, but if you want to flash ROMs then an unlocked bootloader is important!
I am in a similar situation to you, and I was planning to go with T-Mobile unlocked. Part of me wants to forget LTE and go with the Exynos, but I fear dev support will be limited.
Thanks for the thread and discussion OP and everyone, because I do not want to regret my choice!
On an unrelated note (no pun intended) - does anyone have experience with Negri electronics? It looks like AT&T will probably start shipping their Notes by October 1st, if not sooner. Do you think Negri will be in the same timeline?

Komodo Rogue said:
May I ask why t-mobile's unlocked note 3 is not in your list? It appears it will work equally well on AT&T, and there's a much greater chnace of it having an unlocked bootloader. There aren't as many 4G frequencies, so maybe LTE when you're abroad won't always work, but if you want to flash ROMs then an unlocked bootloader is important!
I am in a similar situation to you, and I was planning to go with T-Mobile unlocked. Part of me wants to forget LTE and go with the Exynos, but I fear dev support will be limited.
Thanks for the thread and discussion OP and everyone, because I do not want to regret my choice!
On an unrelated note (no pun intended) - does anyone have experience with Negri electronics? It looks like AT&T will probably start shipping their Notes by October 1st, if not sooner. Do you think Negri will be in the same timeline?
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If I get the t-Mobile version then i wouldn't have 4G nor 3G in Europe. Europe mostly operates on the 1900 band for 3G(or at least where I travel to), and T-Mobile's phones don't support this.
As for negrielectronics.com, there was a review of the website by another member, look for it

docnok63 said:
You're probably right. I think the AT&T will be bootloader locked as well based on the S4 being locked down.
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I agree. FWIW, I remember reading a few month ago that AT&T released a semi-official statement (it may have been a tweet, or a response to an online article) that all of their android phones will ship with locked bootloaders from now on. Maybe if Samsung really pushed at&t to keep them unlocked, or at least offer a path to unlock (a la HTC's dev program), then it could happen... but I bet Samsung is happy the bootloader is locked; even though they ship the international model unlocked, I imagine they would prefer if it too was locked, but they don't have a convenient excuse outside of the US, where they can just blame AT&T. I LOVE samsung hardware, but looking at exynos documentation and other policies, they don't seem to welcome tinkering.
sharl1987 said:
If I get the t-Mobile version then i wouldn't have 4G nor 3G in Europe. Europe mostly operates on the 1900 band for 3G(or at least where I travel to), and T-Mobile's phones don't support this.
As for negrielectronics.com, there was a review of the website by another member, look for it
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Darn... but maybe when LTE becomes more prevalent in europe, they'll use some of the same bands as the t-mo version?
I had an HTC One X on AT&T, and eventually a clever dev found a way to get root access and partially unlock the bootloader, but it was such a hassle. For developers, I'm doubt it seemed very hard, but for me, getting it unlocked, and then updating ROMs, flashing radios, boot images, older firmware, newer firmware, trying to find out what was causing a bootloop... It wasn't even worth the headache, I should have just kept it stock (and stock AT&T is pretty terrible when you've been using cyanogenmod for three years). I bought a Nexus 4 soon after, I never want to deal with all that nonsense again!
If only I could wait a couple of months to see what the developer/bootloader situation looks like, I'd probably get the AT&T version if a relatively safe and easy bootloader unlock exploit is found, but I'm too eager to wait, so unless someone miraculously finds an exploit by October 1st, I'm probably going international or t-mobile. It seems like international is the safest bet: 3G coverage everywhere and good support (unless exynos drives everyone away), but I live in DC and the LTE speeds are incredibly good. It's a tough choice!

Komodo Rogue said:
I agree. FWIW, I remember reading a few month ago that AT&T released a semi-official statement (it may have been a tweet, or a response to an online article) that all of their android phones will ship with locked bootloaders from now on. Maybe if Samsung really pushed at&t to keep them unlocked, or at least offer a path to unlock (a la HTC's dev program), then it could happen... but I bet Samsung is happy the bootloader is locked; even though they ship the international model unlocked, I imagine they would prefer if it too was locked, but they don't have a convenient excuse outside of the US, where they can just blame AT&T. I LOVE samsung hardware, but looking at exynos documentation and other policies, they don't seem to welcome tinkering.
Darn... but maybe when LTE becomes more prevalent in europe, they'll use some of the same bands as the t-mo version?
I had an HTC One X on AT&T, and eventually a clever dev found a way to get root access and partially unlock the bootloader, but it was such a hassle. For developers, I'm doubt it seemed very hard, but for me, getting it unlocked, and then updating ROMs, flashing radios, boot images, older firmware, newer firmware, trying to find out what was causing a bootloop... It wasn't even worth the headache, I should have just kept it stock (and stock AT&T is pretty terrible when you've been using cyanogenmod for three years). I bought a Nexus 4 soon after, I never want to deal with all that nonsense again!
If only I could wait a couple of months to see what the developer/bootloader situation looks like, I'd probably get the AT&T version if a relatively safe and easy bootloader unlock exploit is found, but I'm too eager to wait, so unless someone miraculously finds an exploit by October 1st, I'm probably going international or t-mobile. It seems like international is the safest bet: 3G coverage everywhere and good support (unless exynos drives everyone away), but I live in DC and the LTE speeds are incredibly good. It's a tough choice!
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Can't be better said.... There are so many in the same boat.....
Want att network but also need a bootloader unlocked device....
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[Q] Unlocked / T-Mobile Moto X on AT&T?

This seems like a dumb question, but I'm trying to figure out if an unlocked Moto X off of the Motomaker site will fully work on AT&T. I know Motorola sells the "T-Mobile" version as the unlocked one on their site, which is why I put both in the subject. I can't tell by the specs I'm finding if the unlocked version will work or not, and I'm not real familiar with the exact bands needed on Tmobile and AT&T (we just switched from being long time Verizon users). Any help would be appreciated as I'm supposed to pick it up today from another guy!

jntdroid said:
...I'm trying to figure out if an unlocked Moto X off of the Motomaker site will fully work on AT&T...
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Yes.

dew.man said:
Yes.
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Thanks - so if you're paying full retail, there's really zero reason to get the AT&T version vs. the unlocked version off of the motomaker site, it would seem anyway...

jntdroid said:
Thanks - so if you're paying full retail, there's really zero reason to get the AT&T version vs. the unlocked version off of the motomaker site, it would seem anyway...
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Technically, the AT&T version does support one additional LTE band that the TMobile and DevEdition do not. HOWEVER, I've read that that specific band is not used in the US, and my experience has been consistent in that my tmo variant always has LTE coverage whenever my AT&T iPhone does.

I'm leaving Verizon with a T-Mobile motomaker moto x which I'll try on TMs no contract plan. If it doesn't work out, I can always give ATT a try. Seems like a no-brainer to use the TM version.

dew.man said:
Technically, the AT&T version does support one additional LTE band that the TMobile and DevEdition do not. HOWEVER, I've read that that specific band is not used in the US, and my experience has been consistent in that my tmo variant always has LTE coverage whenever my AT&T iPhone does.
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Interesting - trying to dig up some info on 850. But even still, it covers all the other major ones, and worst case scenario you're falling back onto their HSPA+ which is pretty good in and of itself. I live in the DFW area, and I'm here 99% of the time. So I'm sure it won't be an issue.

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Interesting - trying to dig up some info on 850. But even still, it covers all the other major ones, and worst case scenario you're falling back onto their HSPA+ which is pretty good in and of itself. I live in the DFW area, and I'm here 99% of the time. So I'm sure it won't be an issue.
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The band that the TMO moto x doesn't have is band 5 LTE I think. AT&T only uses 4 and 7 in the US. You're going to be fine getting the tmobile one no matter what GSM carrier you choose.

dew.man said:
Technically, the AT&T version does support one additional LTE band that the TMobile and DevEdition do not. HOWEVER, I've read that that specific band is not used in the US, and my experience has been consistent in that my tmo variant always has LTE coverage whenever my AT&T iPhone does.
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Actually its two LTE bands (5&7) the T-Mo and GSM Dev X lack compared to the ATT US model. But you are right, they are said to be used outside the USA only, so if you don't plan on traveling, you wont miss them.
See the discussion in this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2546466
And the since the T-Mo is sim unlocked, and can be bootloader unlocked, Right, if you are paying full retail, there is no reason to buy the ATT (which is sim locked and can't unlock bootloader).

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Actually its two LTE bands (5&7) the T-Mo and GSM Dev X lack compared to the ATT US model.
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Can you please provide a reference to where the AT&T model supports band 7?
Everything I've read shows 5 but not 7...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2511121
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Motorola-Moto-X_id7885
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Xt1058_Info

The hardware in the AT&T model supports LTE band 7, all XT1058s do. However last time I checked the FCC docs it wasn't approved to use it in the US. In 4.2.2 it wasn't enabled in the AT&T build, in 4.4 I believe that it is though. It is used all across Canada and in some other countries, not sure if the US will ever use it though.

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Can you please provide a reference to where the AT&T model supports band 7?
Everything I've read shows 5 but not 7...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2511121
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Motorola-Moto-X_id7885
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Xt1058_Info
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https://plus.google.com/114874428605785658638/posts/fkFtiVpXyHi John Renaldi of Motorola Mobility Inc. You have to scroll down as I can't seem to link to his post/followup on Nov 27.
While the TMO version does in fact have all the AT&T LTE bands (your AT&T SIM will work), the hardware itself does not contain all the same bands as the AT&T version. Our TMO version supports: LTE Band 02; LTE Band 04; LTE Band 17 and the AT&T version supports LTE Band 02; LTE Band 04; LTE Band 05; LTE Band 07; LTE Band 17
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KidJoe said:
https://plus.google.com/114874428605785658638/posts/fkFtiVpXyHi John Renaldi of Motorola Mobility Inc. You have to scroll down as I can't seem to link to his post/followup on Nov 27.
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Cool. Interesting how that's the only place it's mentioned (contrary to all the published specs). Wonder if it was just a slip up or if everybody else got it wrong!?
Oh well, like we both said, won't matter in the US
Ironically enough, I ended up disabling my LTE as HSPDA is fast enough and I get much better battery life with it off...