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should I buy the D4

Everyone here owns one I assume.
Should I buy a droid 4?
And what are the pros and cons?
Online video reviews are way to biased

It's all up to you. If you MUST have a physical QWERTY keyboard, then it's probably one of the best choices, but here's my own list of pros and cons:
Pros:
-Decent dual core processor, can be overclocked up to 1.4 GHz using myfishbear's scripts
-One of the best hardware keyboards you can find on a phone
-Build quality is good, feels sturdy
-Call quality is clear, haven't had any dropped calls
-Screen is pretty bright when you need it to be
-Loudspeaker is... loud.
-4G speeds are supposed to be good, but I haven't tried
-8MP camera with 1080p video
-Docks available (I use a Motorola Atrix 4G dock that I bought for a cheap price, modified it a bit and works fine)
-Global use possible due with GSM
Cons:
-Screen's Pentile - nowhere near as clear as a non-pentile screen, e.g. HTC One X, it's not HD, and black levels aren't low enough at high screen brightness
-Camera's photos may be slightly washed out, definitely doesn't beat an iPhone 4S (as much as I hate to admit it)
-Limited ROM activity, like most Motorola phones (but there are good ones available)
-Accessories limited, as with all hardware keyboard phones (few choices in cases, etc.)
-Interface lags behind slightly at times, but very little
-Internals are outdated as of 2013, since quad-cores are the rage now
-Battery life won't last with heavy use
At present, the Droid 4 is close to the best you can get with a hardware keyboard, but don't expect the screen to astound you like the newer models' would. If you want a hardware keyboard and can wait, I'd suggest waiting for a successor, maybe a Droid 5.

Droid 5? Somehow I doubt that will ever come out. :-/

nicholaslimck said:
It's all up to you. If you MUST have a physical QWERTY keyboard, then it's probably one of the best choices, but here's my own list of pros and cons:
Pros:
-Decent dual core processor, can be overclocked up to 1.4 GHz using myfishbear's scripts
-One of the best hardware keyboards you can find on a phone
-Build quality is good, feels sturdy
-Call quality is clear, haven't had any dropped calls
-Screen is pretty bright when you need it to be
-Loudspeaker is... loud.
-4G speeds are supposed to be good, but I haven't tried
-8MP camera with 1080p video
-Docks available (I use a Motorola Atrix 4G dock that I bought for a cheap price, modified it a bit and works fine)
-Global use possible due with GSM
Cons:
-Screen's Pentile - nowhere near as clear as a non-pentile screen, e.g. HTC One X, it's not HD, and black levels aren't low enough at high screen brightness
-Camera's photos may be slightly washed out, definitely doesn't beat an iPhone 4S (as much as I hate to admit it)
-Limited ROM activity, like most Motorola phones (but there are good ones available)
-Accessories limited, as with all hardware keyboard phones (few choices in cases, etc.)
-Interface lags behind slightly at times, but very little
-Internals are outdated as of 2013, since quad-cores are the rage now
-Battery life won't last with heavy use
At present, the Droid 4 is close to the best you can get with a hardware keyboard, but don't expect the screen to astound you like the newer models' would. If you want a hardware keyboard and can wait, I'd suggest waiting for a successor, maybe a Droid 5.
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Ya right now I have the razr hd and I realized I really want a full keyboard.
My main concern is battery, I am a texter and thsts about all I do....will it last me a day?

harecurtis said:
Ya right now I have the razr hd and I realized I really want a full keyboard.
My main concern is battery, I am a texter and thsts about all I do....will it last me a day?
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If you're mainly going to text, I can't see why it shouldn't last a day - as long as the screen brightness is kept low, and the Wi-fi off. You should try one out if you can first, to see if the screen's not a bother for you.

nicholaslimck said:
If you're mainly going to text, I can't see why it shouldn't last a day - as long as the screen brightness is kept low, and the Wi-fi off. You should try one out if you can first, to see if the screen's not a bother for you.
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Ya I met a guy on craigslist, and didnt like the build quality
to me it seemed like a bionic with a keyboard and like a brick
Ill just wait til the droid 5 (IF there is one)
but the D4 is a decent phone im sure

Droid 5? Feel like 30/70 it wont happen. How much did the guy want for the phone?

iMaterial said:
Droid 5? Feel like 30/70 it wont happen. How much did the guy want for the phone?
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We agreed on a trade;
My razr hd for his droid 4 plus $100
We met and I felt the droid 4 was too bulky and not and style at all, so i said no

I don't know about the 100$ with it... just my opinion.. good thing you didn't get it...
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dbreezy187 said:
I don't know about the 100$ with it... just my opinion.. good thing you didn't get it...
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I gave in, the same guy met with me today (he works at verizon)
he gave me $50 and a brand new droid 4
and I gotta say, im impressed
I just hope theres a droid 5, but from what i read it looks slim:/
but hey if there is a droid 5 someday and its anything like the droid 4 (just better) ill buy it
and i know this isnt the right place to ask but.......jellybean soon?

How much is the Razr HD? You can get the D4 on ebay for $140 - 190, any day of the week.

harecurtis said:
I gave in, the same guy met with me today (he works at verizon)
he gave me $50 and a brand new droid 4
and I gotta say, im impressed
I just hope theres a droid 5, but from what i read it looks slim:/
but hey if there is a droid 5 someday and its anything like the droid 4 (just better) ill buy it
and i know this isnt the right place to ask but.......jellybean soon?
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JB was announced, but unlikely before summer imo. You got shafted my friend. People who are having problems, ie broken droid 4s are being given droid razr hds. I only use keyboards, thus only the droid line....put your phone in 3g and be happy. Batter life isn't bad per se, it is small however at 1785mah. Other than that, the phone is excellent. Screen is too bright for me, but that can be fixed.

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JB was announced, but unlikely before summer imo. You got shafted my friend. People who are having problems, ie broken droid 4s are being given droid razr hds. I only use keyboards, thus only the droid line....put your phone in 3g and be happy. Batter life isn't bad per se, it is small however at 1785mah. Other than that, the phone is excellent. Screen is too bright for me, but that can be fixed.
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I didnt do too bad though....I payed $199 at verizon...send a $50 rebate (so I only payed $149) and the guy gave me $50
so I essentially payed $100 for a sealed Droid 4
and im much happier as of right now
I do miss the HD screen and the big screen BUT i love the keyboard and to me its worth it

I miss read what you said... I thought you had to pay him the 100... I just sat mine on my stove... bye bye warranty... hello root...
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dbreezy187 said:
I miss read what you said... I thought you had to pay him the 100... I just sat mine on my stove... bye bye warranty... hello root...
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NO NO haha ide never do such a thing
i went to verizon and got my upgrade to razr HD (payed $199)
then verizon has a rebate for $50 (so take of $50 from that and now I only payed $150 for razr HD)
then met guy from CL, he gave me $50 plus a new droid 4
so in all actuality I only spent $100 to get this phone (with contract)
and I just bought the droid bionic lapdock (i read reviews and all says it works, even with ICS)
Im excited for that to come in the mail in a few days!

harecurtis said:
Everyone here owns one I assume.
Should I buy a droid 4?
And what are the pros and cons?
Online video reviews are way to biased
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well let me put it this way. i dont know if moto is gonna realease a D5, and im all for the fingerprint lock.. that is hot. but im going to buy a 2nd D4 and maybe even a 3rd to make sure i got a kickass qwerty to suit my needs. the d4 is great.. it's more like a computer with phone functionality than a phone.
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jmagi said:
well let me put it this way. i dont know if moto is gonna realease a D5, and im all for the fingerprint lock.. that is hot. but im going to buy a 2nd D4 and maybe even a 3rd to make sure i got a kickass qwerty to suit my needs. the d4 is great.. it's more like a computer with phone functionality than a phone.
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Ya ive had it a few days and overall love it
I just bought a lapdock for it as well
The only issues I have with it are the lag it seems to have once in a while and the battery is pretty bad.
But besides that I have to say I love this phone
Now I think droid 5 is possible...moto recently released that keyboard phone for at&t or sprint photon q or atrix q or something like that
So we will find out soon enough

i would recommend trying to freeze unnecessary apps. and uninstalling the bloatware. sped mine right up to 400mb free memory. now i can run any number of my apps and the multitasking works great too on ics. even after a reboot. didnt want to run a custom rom so i sorta cleaned up the stock to suit my needs with the root script and link2sd.
JB is supposed to be released soon. within the next 8 weeks i think, so will be looking forward to that. and we'll know if a droid 5 is on the way by the end of february.
would love a 13/16mp camera, 2 or more gigs of ram droid 5 with the new flexible unbreakable screens. that would pwn.
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Thinking of trading my SG S3 for a Atrix HD

Do you think this would be a good trade? I have always liked Motorola, but my main questions...has the camera quality improved with the Jelly Bean update? Is the camera quality as bad as the reviews say? I'm not even how sure bad the quality was before Jelly Bean. Also, how is the speakerphone quality? Is it clear/loud?

I think the camera quality is great no problems here and the speaker is loud and clear definitely!! My friend has a s3 and I would definitely take my HD over it. The quality of this phone is way better than the s3 also!!
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drogers81 said:
Do you think this would be a good trade? I have always liked Motorola, but my main questions...has the camera quality improved with the Jelly Bean update? Is the camera quality as bad as the reviews say? I'm not even how sure bad the quality was before Jelly Bean. Also, how is the speakerphone quality? Is it clear/loud?
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I had a chance to get an S3, I prefer the Atrix. I can't really say anything about the quality of the camera because I've never really payed attention to it, and I don't use speaker But the ROMs here are really starting to pick up and all that's left is the camcorder, and we've got amazing devs such as dhacker29, hashcode, and the famous dan rosenberg was here a while too. Dhacker and hashcode are working on a 3.4 kernel so it'll get good soon. And i think the community here is awesome and give the best advice. In my opinion i think the atrix is a good trade

Your s3 camera is superior to ours just because of Sammy's software. You may notice a difference. Lowlight shots are pretty bad on the ahd. Otherwise its a good camera. Motorola has a better feel and build quality over the s3 any day.
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What they said. We buy Motorola because a Motorola is the only phone I've thrown pissed off hard from a truck at 25 miles per hour into a tree 30 ft away (a one in a million lucky shot), have that phone get rained on over night, and still work just fine without a scratch in the morning when it was found -- a razr flip phone....Only 25 mph cause you can only accelerate so fast on a gravel road
The camera will do in a pinch in decent lighting. Its not the worst but nothing to really brag about either. I will say that the HDR photos look good in stock jellybean, even in sup par lighting. Customs roms don't have HDR yet, or camcorder, but it's being actively worked on by talented developers.

Its a very solid device. I traded my One x for it and I'm very happy. Build quality is great and battery life is better than the One X. I feel as if the camera is good but the software is lacking. When using Instagram everything comes out crisp and clear. When using the stock camera pictures come out grainy. The speaker is loud without being muffled. Development is really starting to pick up which is great. Great phone.
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Thanks for all the input! I have decided that I am definitely going to trade. Seems like a very solid device and motorola has always made good hardware. At least the camera "issues" can always be improved with software.
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When I upgraded contracts earlier this year, I could have gotten the S3. I looked on XDA and saw the difference in development, but thought, its a Motorola, it'll pick up...never did I imagine that a few weeks later we'd be unlocked and the development would REALLY pick up. This is the best of both worlds. Motorola Quality with Unlocked Bootloader Development -- you can't ask for much more in the Android World.
I'll also say that our Development Team are some of the best devs on XDA. The things they've accomplished over the years is amazing -- I've followed some of our devs since I first started using Android.

nononono

Don't listen to that guy.. Always complains lol.
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I have 2 mint atrix HD, I willing to trade
I have a white and black one (both sim unlocked) running orginal firmware

DJ_MiX said:
I have 2 mint atrix HD, I willing to trade
I have a white and black one (both sim unlocked) running orginal firmware
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This isn't a forum for selling or dealing. Take it elsewhere
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I love my atrix HD and the s3 is a decent phone, I've had very little time to really work with it. The Atrix really does have a better quality build wise and minus all the touchwiz Lol. I've had my atrix for about 6 months and its been by far my favorite phone since the Droid 1
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DJ_MiX said:
I have 2 mint atrix HD, I willing to trade
I have a white and black one (both sim unlocked) running orginal firmware
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PM @EcHoFiiVe, he's trying to get into kanging roms for us and needs a new one...and keep it private.
Youngunn2008's right, can only Sell on Swappa..putting a link in your signature is the best you can do on XDA to sell/trade.
Youngunn2008 said:
This isn't a forum for selling or dealing. Take it elsewhere
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+1
It sucks, but those are the rules.

deeje00 said:
Don't listen to that guy.. Always complains lol.
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The S3 has everything this phone has and more, including a better camera and custom ROMs with not only everything working, but also tweaked kernels that don't cause the phone to randomly reboot or have horrible battery life.
There is literally no reason to trade the S3 for this phone unless you drop/throw your phone at a wall constantly.

The battery life has a simple solution. Put the eb40 battery in. Then it trumps the galaxy. And I haven't had any random reboots on any of the new Roms.
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last time i checked people were still having problems with battery swelling with the eb40.
also battery life alone does not trump the s3

centipedes said:
last time i checked people were still having problems with battery swelling with the eb40.
also battery life alone does not trump the s3
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Been running maxx mod with NO SWELLING. And build quality on s3 is sh!t. My phone shouldn't creak when I hold it. Everything else is great because Samsung doesn't secure their sh!t and the devs had A 6 MONTH HEADSTART ON US.
Why don't you trade for a s3 and be gone, or stay and HELP US. Cuz we are doing our very best to even have custom Roms. Do you want to go back a couple months to that purgatory we were stuck in? In a couple months maybe it'll even be up to your standards. Or maybe you'll find ANOTHER ISSUE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT.
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The only thing that has lag with the atrix is any topic you comment on and complain about. You just bog down this whole forum!!!!! Nobody wants to here it anymore!! Thanks
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tember1214 said:
The only thing that has lag with the atrix is any topic you comment on and complain about. You just bog down this whole forum!!!!! Nobody wants to here it anymore!! Thanks
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Latest leaked on Nexus 5 Specs

Looks like LG G2 is the premium cousin of Nexus 5. With only 2300mah battery, and low spec camera, I am glad I got the G2.
http://www.gsmarena.com/leaked_nexus_5_log_reveals_most_of_the_specs-news-6876.php
Most of the stuff is no surprise – a 5" screen (actually, 4.97") with 1080p resolution, 442ppi pixel density, a Snapdragon 800 chipset with 2GB of RAM and 16GB storage (on that concrete model, there might be others with more and hopefully not less storage). The phone ran Key Lime Pie (a.k.a. Android 4.4 KitKat), build version KRS74H.
It seems that the camera has been changed to an 8MP snapper (the Nexus 4 also got a lower-res camera than the Optimus G it was based on). It's too early to tell if there will be optical image stabilization (probably not though). There's a 1.2MP front-facing camera too.
The Nexus 5 will pack dual-band Wi-Fi a/b/g/n/ac, Bluetooth 4.0, NFC and GPS connectivity. The model whose log file leaked ran on North American LTE bands, but we should expect a Euro version too.
Pieces of the leaked log with the salient info
The phone will have wireless charging built in and while battery capacity wasn’t in the logs, FCC docs point to a 2,300mAh unit. There will also be a full set of sensors – accelerometer, magnetometer, gyroscope, proximity and light sensors as well as a barometer. The FCC measured the phone at 131.9mm tall and 68.2 mm wide, there's no info on thickness.
A case maker, SPIGEN, puts the Nexus 5 launch date at October 31, a month from now.
Thanks for the tip, Emanuele!

I spent most of last night snapping pics and a birthday party. After 2 years with my gnexus I realized how nice it is to have a great camera. I don't care that it's 8 mp. But I freaking love ois.
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zathus said:
I spent most of last night snapping pics and a birthday party. After 2 years with my gnexus I realized how nice it is to have a great camera. I don't care that it's 8 mp. But I freaking love ois.
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It looks good cause its 13MP camera...

GNex's camera serves me well enough for daily snap. It was nothing to boast about.
What I hated most about the Gnex is the battery life with never ever lasted me the whole day, especially at night when you go out with friends, that is when you want your phone most.

StarFighter said:
It looks good cause its 13MP camera...
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Not true. Megapixels on cell phone cameras don't really mean ****. 8mp or 13mp, its a way higher resolution than it needs to be... No ones printing posters from their cell phone photos. Sensor quality and speed, iso performance, and compression/processing are all much more important. Which is why my 10mp DSLR takes way better photos than my 13mp phone or 16mp point and shoot.
Its still probably very likely that the N5 camera will be worse. But it won't be because of the lower mp sensor. It'll be because Google is going to cut corners wherever they can to get a $300-$400 price tag.

Viper87227 said:
Not true. Megapixels on cell phone cameras don't really mean ****. 8mp or 13mp, its a way higher resolution than it needs to be... No ones printing posters from their cell phone photos. Sensor quality and speed, iso performance, and compression/processing are all much more important. Which is why my 10mp DSLR takes way better photos than my 13mp phone or 16mp point and shoot.
Its still probably very likely that the N5 camera will be worse. But it won't be because of the lower mp sensor. It'll be because Google is going to cut corners wherever they can to get a $300-$400 price tag.
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My brother has been in the printing and imaging biz for about 40 years and he says the same things. All those pixels are good for cropping smaller pics from big ones or printing posters but it doesn't help the quality of the image any.

StarFighter said:
It looks good cause its 13MP camera...
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Its 10 mp by default. 13 mp pics are squares. So, my comment on amazing photos are based on 10 mp pics. I'm amazed people still say mps matter. How many times has that theory been crushed. IPhone 5s is 8 mp and it CRUSHES the s4s 13 mp camera.
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kcharng said:
GNex's camera serves me well enough for daily snap. It was nothing to boast about.
What I hated most about the Gnex is the battery life with never ever lasted me the whole day, especially at night when you go out with friends, that is when you want your phone most.
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I agree with you about the battery life. The Galaxy Nexus had absolutely horrible battery life. The Nexus 5 has me interested but I'm still looking at the G2 as an upgrade to my current phone which is a Note 2 mostly because of the battery.

Yeah so true, what is the point of snapdragon 800, and 5"screen of the phone won't last you through out the day.
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I agree with you about the battery life. The Galaxy Nexus had absolutely horrible battery life. The Nexus 5 has me interested but I'm still looking at the G2 as an upgrade to my current phone which is a Note 2 mostly because of the battery.
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most of part of nexus 5 is part of G2 to say, this time LG surely built great phone, glad i decided to bought G2

If people don't buy Nexus devices purely based on price, then they are nuts imo. There are always better phones hardware and specs wise out there that can easily have an AOSP rom flashed to it.
I always buy a phone that suits me the best and then I can always flash an AOSP rom if needed.
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
If people don't buy Nexus devices purely based on price, then they are nuts imo. There are always better phones hardware and specs wise out there that can easily have an AOSP rom flashed to it.
I always buy a phone that suits me the best and then I can always flash an AOSP rom if needed.
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Exactly my thoughts on it.
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Especially with the upcoming Cyanogen CM ROM app coming to the Play Store, will be easy as pie to install the latest CM ROM on your phone, even if your not comfortable rooting, and flashing rom's yourself. Now will be super easy. Just need a phone that has an unlocked bootloader out of the box, and no funny ATT or Verizon lock down on it, which the G2 I think is developer friendly, and is in LG's best interest to gain support from the community, I think LG is in the Android position, like Samsung was back in the Galaxy S2 days a few years ago.

WizeGuyDezignz said:
If people don't buy Nexus devices purely based on price, then they are nuts imo. There are always better phones hardware and specs wise out there that can easily have an AOSP rom flashed to it.
I always buy a phone that suits me the best and then I can always flash an AOSP rom if needed.
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So youre saying youre going to buy one?

Unless the Nexus 5 announcement pulls a ton of surprises, I don't see how it could be a bigger draw to get it over the G2, besides the significantly lowered pricepoint of course.
2 weeks ago, I was in a bit of a dilemma over getting the G2 then or waiting it out for the Nexus. I'm glad I sorted that bit out.
Loving the G2 more with each day!

WizeGuyDezignz said:
If people don't buy Nexus devices purely based on price, then they are nuts imo. There are always better phones hardware and specs wise out there that can easily have an AOSP rom flashed to it.
I always buy a phone that suits me the best and then I can always flash an AOSP rom if needed.
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Some people don't mind paying a premium for something they use every day, also some are on Verizon.
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Is the G2 unlockable? I see there is TWRP and stuff but I don't see any root or custom roms yet. I like the G2 but ain't no way I'm going to be a frontrunner after the G2x burned me.
I'd rather have the N5 with lower specs then the G2 IF LG isn't going to support it.
My 2yr Galaxy Nexus running 4.3 AOKP is plenty fast and absolutely a beast on Battery (stock 2100mAh extended). I'd hate to get rid of it but the OMAP CPU is showing its age. Otherwise the best phone I have ever owned. I'll make a choice in December to see where the G2 and the N5 are. In a perfect world, with the N5 is close in hardware, ROMs could be ported back and forth easily allowing one to have the better spec'd G2 with all the development that comes with a Nexus.

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Is the G2 unlockable? I see there is TWRP and stuff but I don't see any root or custom roms yet. I like the G2 but ain't no way I'm going to be a frontrunner after the G2x burned me.
I'd rather have the N5 with lower specs then the G2 IF LG isn't going to support it.
My 2yr Galaxy Nexus running 4.3 AOKP is plenty fast and absolutely a beast on Battery (stock 2100mAh extended). I'd hate to get rid of it but the OMAP CPU is showing its age. Otherwise the best phone I have ever owned. I'll make a choice in December to see where the G2 and the N5 are. In a perfect world, with the N5 is close in hardware, ROMs could be ported back and forth easily allowing one to have the better spec'd G2 with all the development that comes with a Nexus.
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You haven't used any other phone. The gnex is slow and Verizon 4.3 has terrible signal.

Hopefully that 8MP shooter is something like the Exmor R featured in the 5S.

Zorachus said:
Especially with the upcoming Cyanogen CM ROM app coming to the Play Store, will be easy as pie to install the latest CM ROM on your phone, even if your not comfortable rooting, and flashing rom's yourself. Now will be super easy. Just need a phone that has an unlocked bootloader out of the box, and no funny ATT or Verizon lock down on it, which the G2 I think is developer friendly, and is in LG's best interest to gain support from the community, I think LG is in the Android position, like Samsung was back in the Galaxy S2 days a few years ago.
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I'd like to say you are right, but I don't think LG is considered dev friendly at the moment!! Far away from Sony or Oppo.
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
If people don't buy Nexus devices purely based on price, then they are nuts imo. There are always better phones hardware and specs wise out there that can easily have an AOSP rom flashed to it.
I always buy a phone that suits me the best and then I can always flash an AOSP rom if needed.
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I love CM and AOSP.
At the moment my SGS3 is running Android 4.2.2 CM 10.1. It is now very good but it arrived later then 4.3 stock on my N4.
AOSP 3rd party ROMS will always be at least 6 months behind official Android on Nexus.

Should I trade nexus 5 for z1 c6906?

Got offered a trade my nexus 5 32gb plus a ad 100 for a brand new z1 should I do it ?
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should definitely change to Z1. You won't regret it. the Z was a good phone but it got some problems preventing it to be a great phone, and sony fixed them all in the Z1. I can't think of a better phone at the moment.

Just worried about the camera reviews ? How do you find the camera and the battery life
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Battery life is awesome I can cover the whole day with heavy use, the best android phone I have ever had concerning battery.....camera is also good not good as battery life but is good enough

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Got offered a trade my nexus 5 32gb plus a ad 100 for a brand new z1 should I do it ?
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I can absolutely recommend the Z1 .

Come on the N5 is hideous compared to Z1 I wouldnt trade you any Nexus device for Z1(swap it for sure) and go as far to say, I wouldnt urinate on a Nexus if it were on fire!

homer285 said:
Come on the N5 is hideous compared to Z1 I wouldnt trade you any Nexus device for Z1(swap it for sure) and go as far to say, I wouldnt urinate on a Nexus if it were on fire!
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Lol honestly the Nexus is amazingly smooth and fast but I admit the feel of a z1 is second to none you can tell its pure quality. Well I have some serious thinking to do but thanks for the input guys
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homer285 said:
Come on the N5 is hideous compared to Z1 I wouldnt trade you any Nexus device for Z1(swap it for sure) and go as far to say, I wouldnt urinate on a Nexus if it were on fire!
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N5 is very good phone too.....don't say stupid things....

cingolat said:
N5 is very good phone too.....don't say stupid things....
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He just said its hideous which it is .

offwiththeface said:
Got offered a trade my nexus 5 32gb plus a ad 100 for a brand new z1 should I do it ?
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Hello mate, I actually had both phones and I would highly recommend the Xperia Z1. The only aspects where N5 beats the Z1 is the software updates, developmental support and a more compact form. Check out my video comparison between the two:
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cingolat said:
N5 is very good phone too.....don't say stupid things....
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Im sure it is, however, based on beer goggles the day of my reply and the fact that N5 is a fairly physically challenged device, I do apologize for not 'metaphorically' extinguishing any flames that may have otherwise saved a perfectly good yet otherwise beautiful device and I might add, that only a mother could love.
Not hating or trolling just observing and sharing an opinion.

offwiththeface said:
Just worried about the camera reviews ? How do you find the camera and the battery life
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Battery life is best by far I have ever had, and the measly N5 battery tilted my decision between N5 and Z1 towards the latter. I haven't been disappointed. Phone is rock solid, lasts through an entire day from morning to midnight with heavy usage, camera is actually pretty good, and despite the viewing angles (which don't bother me) the screen is also excellent.

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Battery life is best by far I have ever had, and the measly N5 battery tilted my decision between N5 and Z1 towards the latter. I haven't been disappointed. Phone is rock solid, lasts through an entire day from morning to midnight with heavy usage, camera is actually pretty good, and despite the viewing angles (which don't bother me) the screen is also excellent.
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Totally agree with you, I've had exactly the same feeling/iter....

I had the pick of the litter and lived with each of the big hitters for a few days each and at first the Z1 was my least favourite with me leaning more towards the G2, but the solid build, brilliant camera and pace of the handset just won me over, I've got no regrets on my purchase.
On a side note, development is the only thing that has put me off since, but as soon as that bootloader is sorted, it'll be cool and rom's will be flying in.
You could possibly hold fire until it's done, cos if they don't ever fix the bootloader / camera issue then it'll be a travesty and i will be killing some Sony employees.

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I had the pick of the litter and lived with each of the big hitters for a few days each and at first the Z1 was my least favourite with me leaning more towards the G2, but the solid build, brilliant camera and pace of the handset just won me over, I've got no regrets on my purchase.
On a side note, development is the only thing that has put me off since, but as soon as that bootloader is sorted, it'll be cool and rom's will be flying in.
You could possibly hold fire until it's done, cos if they don't ever fix the bootloader / camera issue then it'll be a travesty and i will be killing some Sony employees.
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I was thinking on G2 too but the lack of memory card tilted me toward z1.......memory card lack was the reason to not bought htc one too...... I hate phone without sdcard.....

I am happy to have Z1 but the the only concerned section for me is the assistance from Sony on Android Updates. How long we will stick with 4.2.2? I saw Kitkat and is pretty light and fast.

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I was thinking on G2 too but the lack of memory card tilted me toward z1.......memory card lack was the reason to not bought htc one too...... I hate phone without sdcard.....
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I sold my HTC One, brilliant phone but hasn't got anything on the Z1.

eclyptos said:
I am happy to have Z1 but the the only concerned section for me is the assistance from Sony on Android Updates. How long we will stick with 4.2.2? I saw Kitkat and is pretty light and fast.
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As far as 4.2.2 works well I'm fine with the fact that we're stuck here (for now). I think that Android version doesn't matter as long as the phone works well. I bought my Z1 a week ago and before that I was on X10 with gingerbread and I didn't had any problems with that. I tried custom ROMs with 4.1.2 and 4.2.2 on it but it had some bugs (like camcorder not working) and the most important thing is that everything works fine.
About being light, I believe that Kit Kat is. But faster!? I'm using my Z1 for a week now and I installed tons of apps, I'm playing heavy games and listening to music in the same time, then switching between games, browser and poweramp and the Z1 didn't lagged not even once! This phone is a beast and I think that it can't get faster than this.
I would really like to get Kit Kat but the 4.2.2 works perfectly so far and while it's so, there's no rush for an update. Being faster (which is almost impossible) is not enough for an update. I'm hoping to get even better battery life and better camera in Kit Kat (4K video recording maybe!?) and some other improvements. Otherwise, the update wouldn't make any sense.

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I'm hoping to get even better battery life and better camera in Kit Kat (4K video recording maybe!?) and some other improvements.
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This is what I mean. It can be done but the Updates from Sony are close to nothing. Nexus 5 do not have this problems and the OS is always improved. I prefer Z1 anyway but I will be happy to have some updates soon as is possible, otherwise I have to flash some Rom.

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This is what I mean. It can be done but the Updates from Sony are close to nothing. Nexus 5 do not have this problems and the OS is always improved. I prefer Z1 anyway but I will be happy to have some updates soon as is possible, otherwise I have to flash some Rom.
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This is the only advantage of Nexus, it has to have something otherwise people won't buy it All other is better on Z1: camera, screen, design, waterproofness, memory etc.

Nexus 5 Honest Review

Hey people. So I've been inactive for quite awhile. I used to be lurking at the Xperia Z and HTC One section. In the past year I've used tons of flagships. Starting with the Xperia Z from the iPhone 5. Soon I moved to the HTC One. Not long after, I moved to the iPhone 5s. Recently, I managed to snag myself a Nexus 5. Been using it for awhile so I'd thought its time to clean the dust off this account and be active again.
Here's my honest fanboy-free review of the Google Nexus 5. I've used various brands of phones for the past year so I hope that I can share my experiences of the Nexus 5 compared to the others.
Nexus 5 Review
The Nexus 5 is a "cheap" phone. For $349 off contract for the 16GB version, it's quite the steal. Not to mention the flagship specs! What more can we ask for a device priced this affordable?
Build Quality
Phenomenal. Call me low standard, but I think the build is great, at least for the black one. Sure, it's no HTC One or iPhone 5s, but the soft touch back feels awesome. Period. It feels great in the hand and is kinda resistant to scratches. Mine looks mint even after so much use! The build is great; it doesn't flex, and is sturdy. Did I mention how nice the soft touch back feels? It does catches fingerprints and oils from your hands though. But just wiping it off with your fingers will make it look new again.
Power Hungry
The Nexus 5 is full of power. With a Snapdragon 800, 2GB of RAM and the Adreno 330, it will take anything I throw at it. The only issue I had with performance is Real Racing 3. I have the occasional frame-rate drop on that game but other that, it runs like butter.
The UI is smooth with no lag, multitasking is a breeze. There's really nothing else I can ask for.
Pure Google
The Nexus 5 comes with the latest and greatest of Android, 4.4 KitKat. As of this review, there has been 2 updates to far to bring it up to 4.4.2.
The Nexus 5 also comes with the latest Google Now Launcher, and I love it. I've never used Google Now before as it was too much an hassle for me to swipe up to open it. Now as it's fully integrated into the launcher, I find myself using it. A lot.
The "Okay Google" hotword detection is beyond cool. I like showing it off to my friends and they all think its cool. Some people find it a waste of battery. For me, I use it a lot as I'm a student who relies too much on Google. Being able to do Google searches when eating and not getting the sauce all over the phone is useful to me.
As for hangouts being the default SMS app, I think it's a matter of personal opinion. I find it okay. Anyway, it's android! The default messaging app can be changed easily.
Sure, icons are huge. What's the big deal with that?
Eye-opening Screen
The screen is absolutely fantastic. Colors are accurate and the screen is super sharp.
It's great for watching videos and for reading books on. The screen looks like its popping out at times! In fact, I'll go as far as to call it the best screen on a smartphone. Period.
Camera
Meh. Camera quality is okay. Nothing fantastic but it does the job. I find it better than the HTC One in terms of sharpness but in low light, its just no good.
If you are looking for the best camera in a smartphone, stay away.
Speakers
Simply put, its not good. The sound quality is just not good. Sure, its no BoomSound, but still. Its not the best, but it does its job well.
Oh well, for a $350 smartphone with monstrous specs, there's bound to be compromises. I guess the speakers is one of them.
(Edit)I came from the HTC One and therefore my expectations for speakers in smartphones may have increased greatly. I think that the speakers on the Nexus 5 is sufficient, but can be better. Just my 2 cents
Battery Life
At first, it was not good. I had to bring my portable charger everywhere I went. But over time, it has improved. I now can get 6 hours on screen time! I know, crazy right? I guess I had to "break" in the battery.
Call Quality
The earphone used for calls is great, I can hear the other party clearly and they can hear me clearly.
Bottom Line
Is it worth it? Yes. Should you get it? Hell Yes. For the price, its really, really worth it! Furthermore it's from Google; guaranteed updates for the next 2 or so years. It runs great, it's smooth and I really like the Google Now Launcher. I'd choose this phone over the iPhone 5s or any other phones!
This phone really is the best android phone yet.
P.S. Please give me feedback on my review! Please correct me if there's any error! Thanks for taking the time to read this!

I think there's nothing wrong with the speakers. I don't think they're bad or anything. I went from a Note 2 to Nexus 5 and I barely notice the difference between speakers. Sure it's no HTC One-quality speakers but they work fine.

A fantastic review I must say!
Cheers mate!

Good review and you are right with all points. It's really the best Android phone.
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PurpleMadness said:
I think there's nothing wrong with the speakers. I don't think they're bad or anything. I went from a Note 2 to Nexus 5 and I barely notice the difference between speakers. Sure it's no HTC One-quality speakers but they work fine.
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Yes, I agree, they work fine. But maybe I'm used too high quality speakers so they sound kind of crappy to me. Its not fantastic, but they do the job well.
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Great review, came from a S4 and love this phone in comparison. Pure android is the best and have had no desire thus far to load a custom ROM.
Agree with all your points but the speaker quality, its not the best but not horrible at all.
Very happy with the phone overall.
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Were you undoing your review on complete stock, or are you running a custom ROM/kernel? Thanks.
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maximinus058 said:
Great review, came from a S4 and love this phone in comparison. Pure android is the best and have had no desire thus far to load a custom ROM.
Agree with all your points but the speaker quality, its not the best but not horrible at all.
Very happy with the phone overall.
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Yes I agree. Maybe I didn't say it right. Its not good, but it still gets the job done. Maybe its because
I came from the HTC One and that probably raised my expectations for speaker quality. I have edited my original post to reflect that.
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Were you undoing your review on complete stock, or are you running a custom ROM/kernel? Thanks.
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Totally stock. I believe that stock Android by Google is the best ROM there is.
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PurpleMadness said:
I think there's nothing wrong with the speakers. I don't think they're bad or anything. I went from a Note 2 to Nexus 5 and I barely notice the difference between speakers. Sure it's no HTC One-quality speakers but they work fine.
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I think it depends when you bought it. Didn't they drill bigger holes for the speaker in later revisions? I know I got a day 1 order and the speakerphone is awful.
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rxnelson said:
I think it depends when you bought it. Didn't they drill bigger holes for the speaker in later revisions? I know I got a day 1 order and the speakerphone is awful.
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Could be. I have the new revision.

I like this review simply because it has more pros than cons although in some countries it isn't really that cheap. I bought my 32gigs for almost $500.
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Nice review and my thoughts exactly since November 2013!

Nice review and I think the speakers are a bit on the low side.
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PokerFaze said:
Camera
Meh. Camera quality is okay. Nothing fantastic but it does the job. I find it better than the HTC One in terms of sharpness but in low light, its just no good.
If you are looking for the best camera in a smartphone, stay away.
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I don't understand... I find the low light shots (with HDR+) very good !
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Nexus 5 vs Nokia Lumia 1020 low-light camera comparison
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Nexus-5-vs-Nokia-Lumia-1020-low-light-camera-comparison_id49015
Pics from it are, naturally, noisier and not as detailed as from the 1020, but they seem to be as good as the ones from the LG G2, which we already pegged in our camera comparisons as one of the best Android cameras out there
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Good review. I find the speaker works just fine. It's leaps and bounds better than the one on the GNex anyways (has a much fuller sound)

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I don't understand... I find the low light shots (with HDR+) very good !
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For me I have to position it perfectly before it will take a nice picture in low light /:
speedyink said:
Good review. I find the speaker works just fine. It's leaps and bounds better than the one on the GNex anyways (has a much fuller sound)
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Yep. Speaker works fine. I don't have the GNex so I can't say that much but compared to the iPhone 5s which I'm using as a companion to the Nexus 5, the speakers on the Nexus 5 truly is lacking.
bushako said:
I like this review simply because it has more pros than cons although in some countries it isn't really that cheap. I bought my 32gigs for almost $500.
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I bought my 16gigs for $442 US Dollars in my country ._.
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I gotta say I have the EXACT same sentiments as you when it comes to this phone.
I gotta say the speaker location is awesome, but the speaker itself is lacking.
Atleast it wasn't placed on the rear.
Camera is good enough to capture moments. Nothing to brag about.
Other than that, everything else is awesome.
My previous phones are Note 2, Moto G, Nexus 4 , Optimus G, iPhone 5, Galaxy S4, Galaxy Nexus, Captivate, and S2
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Please correct me if there's any error! Thanks for taking the time to read this!
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Reviews are subjective so there isnt really any scope for error.
Please don't take this the wrong way but there are loads of reviews here and although yours may be the most comprehensive, because they're subjective - it doesn't really offer much. Take 10 reviews, all 10 may agree on 1 point and disagree on another....
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Guess it depends what last phone you had but the speaker destroys my old phone. I'd say both the speaker and headphone audio quality are superior to the average laptop as well. Compares favorably to my $900 Lenovo anyways.
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Great review! I purchased my nexus 5 black from swappa for $365 32gb in good condition. I gotta say I also love the feel of the soft black skin. Its great and I totally I agree with you, however I managed to put a very minor scratch dent on the back with only having it 3 days lol. Wish I could have this phone caseless but I feel like I would beat it up due to my aggressive lifestyle. Anyway good review and I also love the phone so far.
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