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HTC Incredible S’ Bootloader And Recovery Are Signed

bad news
read this : http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...s-bootloader-and-recovery-are-signed-as-well/

RIP HTC
Complete Fail. TT

That was one of the reasons i liked HTC, but signed recoverys are no go. If they keep this tactic, no more htc for me

JeckyllHavok said:
That was one of the reasons i liked HTC, but signed recoverys are no go. If they keep this tactic, no more htc for me
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Exactly.
I don't even understand why they would do this...do they not realize that there is a pretty decent amount of customers who buy their phones based on the fact they're completely open to customization?
I feel like this would hurt them more than it could ever help them.

It's coming home, it's coming, my Blackberry's coming home, it's coming home.
Sorry Android, sorry Google, but for me, RIM is better.

redank said:
bad news
read this : http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...s-bootloader-and-recovery-are-signed-as-well/
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Saw this as soon as I woke up this morning. Bad news indeed. Very disappointing.
Just one more reason not to get the Incredible S
derhannes1983 said:
It's coming home, it's coming, my Blackberry's coming home, it's coming home.
Sorry Android, sorry Google, but for me, RIM is better.
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I've been thinking the same thing.

There goes the only developer-friendly phone maker..

I guess that means we want see any root access/development/custom roms for the Incredible S.

Not neccessarily, as I've already posted in the rooting thread, this was already known about and hasn't stopped us yet. Please be patient and stop spreading FUD

Does this mean we will never see csutom roms, or does this mean we'll have to wait until it's cracked?

JeckyllHavok said:
That was one of the reasons i liked HTC, but signed recoverys are no go. If they keep this tactic, no more htc for me
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I Fully agree. It's a pitty HTC wants in on the control over my device game...

I also hate that they want to control our devices. My next device probably wont be an HTC anymore also, however i do like the fooling arround with my phone. id rather would have it rooted quite easily, but i dont hate it they require some manual actions, since it saves a lot of people from having malware on there phones, but hell.... this one is over the top.
Probably have the IS for the next 2 years, so got enough time to play with it haha.

@DaanJordaan
having a motorola milestone with a signature-locked bootloader i can say, that custom roms ARE available... the key-difference is, that the signature-checking bootloader only boots signed kernels. everything else can be replaced with custom-made files. as an exaple: CyanogenMod ist available for the milestone, but without the enhanced kernel.
which in essence means:
custom roms: yes
custom kernels: no
i don't know how big the difference betweet the moto-bootloader and the htc-bootloader is. but if it's somehow similar, custom roms without custom-kernels will work. which indeed sucks... but that's still better than no custom roms at all... let's just hope htc produces very well coded kernels...

I dont think its "HTC" who wants to control rhe device, i've heard its the carriers that are asking for the bootloader to be singed, so they dont have to replace a brick device someone tried ro hack,
Just be thankfull they only signed it and not encrypted it like motorola.
Sent from my Defy

Brumble said:
I dont think its "HTC" who wants to control rhe device, i've heard its the carriers that are asking for the bootloader to be singed, so they dont have to replace a brick device someone tried ro hack,
Just be thankfull they only signed it and not encrypted it like motorola.
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That makes sense (no pun intended).
It's still not good news for the developer community though.

kaze06 said:
That makes sense (no pun intended).
It's still not good news for the developer community though.
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No it doesn't. Maybe in the US it does. I can buy a OEM Incredible S with no association with any carrier by paying full price, but seems like even these factory HTC devices are bootloader signed.

syl0n said:
No it doesn't. Maybe in the US it does. I can buy a OEM Incredible S with no association with any carrier by paying full price, but seems like even these factory HTC devices are bootloader signed.
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Its probably easier for HTC to just push all the incredible s's through the same production line.
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Don't stress on this. ~1hour after it was identified on the thunderbolt, it was bypassed.
Don't go returning phones or quitting android over this.

I hope it will get rooted, I have just sold my HTC Desire, and am looking either to get the Nexus S or this. I have every confidence in the Dev guys to crack it.
HTC really have done something silly, the only reason the Desire sold so well was because it could get rooted so easily and allowed people to do anything they liked to it!

If this info is confirmed then the LG Optimus 2X is the best new phone!
I like HTC but I am not a fanboy fanatic to limit Android to HTC devices

Guys. Some advice

I am thinking of getting this phone. Need some advice.
Does it look better from the desire s seen in pictures?
Does this phone have a locked bootloader?
If so, is this a dead end to devloping like miui?
what other problems does this phone have?
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it is better than the desire s and from what I see the inc s and desire s both have locked bootloaders unless anyone else can shed further light.

well imho i would choose the IS for sure over the DS
screen is better, sound seems better, and lifetime also (for what ive heared)
the problems you mentioned im sorry i dont have em.. neither do i have the problems others have mentioned..
for s-off you could choose for a way like the xtc clip, or the cheaper variant thats comin soon, or wait till bin4ry found the right xploit for it....
root is no problem when the s-off is done

Will incredible s get cyanogen mod and miui even with the locked bootloader?
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well ur a rom/team leader go make it
and erhm idk.... maybe....
just wait we still busy with all kinda stuff..

its great
I have an incredible S and hpnestly its a amazing device...i originally was gonna wait for the red version but its only a danish version being released...it is really a underrated device. Im pretty sure it will be rooted someday soon and i cant wait lol...I like this device better than the NEXUS S that i Had...but i cant wait for a cyanogen rom..

Read extensively on Incredible S and the comparison with DHD crops up naturally.
Nearly every review has stated the Screen and the Camera being the best on an HTC. (i know its SLCD but still very effective and pretty much the thing to use for internet browsing)
IS also seems to be having smaller footprint and a better battery life.
All these points seals the deal in favor of Incredible S.
Apart from Specs, the phone owner in my area been satisfied with the device.
Ragrarding the ROM support and the works.. only time will tell (hunch says that if htc's 'Locking' be of any hint.. then expect goodies in the future.)

Velocity s off

Hi all
Just a quick one I am running vjraider I know its rooted but the hboot says its s on. Is this normal? How to s off?
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you cannot get s off, this is why we need to flash the kernal seperate to the rom, nobody has achieved s-off yet

Ok.
Thanks for the quick reply.
I kinda figured that from reading on here, but its nice to have it confirmed.
I came from a DHD and that thing seemed easy to develop. Not that I can develop roms. But seemed like there were heaps of different ones and heaps of developers.
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This phone has had many stumbling blocks,
first it has 3 versions, the Vivid on at&t, and the Raider are pretty much identical but they have slighty differing hboots so the ICS release only works for the vivid on at&t, then there is the Velocity on Telstra in Australia which again is pretty much identical except there are slight changes to the CPU, its the same cpu, but the default clockspeed is 1.5Ghtz and the others have 1.2Ghtz... they are all technically the "HTC Holiday" but with slight differences.
Second, the bootloader was locked for a long time
Third we have no s-off
and fourth, a bunch of angry people chased all our devs off when they had some problems flashing some of the roms.
So yeah uphill battle It's getting better now though

That's a great summary of our Vivid forum lol. Its' still the best phone I've ever owned regardless of the lack of development compared to other phones.

yes i agree that is a very good summary of whats happened, i have only had mine for a week, that was when the bomb went off.
this is off topic but in all the rom threads I have read it clearly says what the risks are the fact that you are here and download these roms means you are ok with the consequences.
Its always rosy when they work.

Yeah, people just don't read and I have noticed become very self important like nothing is their fault and they are demanding everything.
I am always so damn cautious, I'm not going near ICS until Telstra release it

Did you see telstra released it today.
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Speaking of idiots taking risks without understanding them first...
Is it safe to update ICS from Telstra with an unlocked phone? I don't know how to re-lock it

Fastboot oem lock
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Fastboot oem lock
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Was that directed to my question?

yes thats the fast boot command to re-lock you your bootloader , once done it will say "re-locked"

Selling my Inspire buying a Vivid

yesterday someone made me an offer on my Inspire, so I decided to get summen new.
Was like why not seeing that the person actually seemed like they wanted to Inspire more than I did.
So decided to choose summen in the HTC line that was comparable in price.
So what are you guys feedback about the phone, did I make a good choice
NB I did say for way i can afford now.
thanks
G

I love my Vivid. It was pretty good out of the box but after Rooting and installing a ROM of your choice it makes it so much better. Improved battery life, faster speeds, and more options as far as tweaks. Personally, I'm using WCX's rom but there are plenty of others out there floating around that are great. All have positives and negatives just need to find the one that fits you. If you can snag a One X that would be better but the Vivid is just as good. We just don't have a fully functioning Jellybean Rom yet but I don't think we are missing much.

thanks man, what I will do is test it first then root it,. I'll give the WCX rom a try seeing that you were the first one to response and offer some advice.
I was looking at a One X but was $100 or so more than what I paid for the Vivid.
I've been reading some threads where persons were wondering if Vivid would get an official JB update, but from what I gather the roms for this phone would do great,
thanks
G

Just be careful and read a lot before you dive into installing roms. This phone is a little more complicated then some of the other more open phones like the SGS III or Nexus. If you need any help just ask on the board. Plenty of knowledgeable people here to help you from bricking your phone. I'm not trying to scare you but if you don't follow directions it could lead to issues. Again its not hard to root and install a rom but things have to be done in a certain order.

thanks man appreciate it
G

It's a good phone and I you loved your inspire and sense, you'll love the vivid. It's a great stock phone, kinda weak on the development side, but a few guys around here are looking to fix that pretty close to a fully working cm10. Until then, definitely unlock your bootloader and root and put wcx's rom on, it is the best out of box experience hands down. In a nutshell our stock ics rom is a bit quirky, buggy, and laggy at times and battery life flat out sucks. Wcx's rom focuses on fixing all that. It's not all that fancy but he gives you the firmware this phone should of had from the factory!
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That sounds real great kind of trying not to get too over excited about it. Well want it to come.
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Got the vivid yesterday and so far so good. Running ICS very fast phone I must say, smooth operation.
I want to root it just wonderit if I should wait a while before doing so?
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Well I will warn you 2 things about rooting this phone. First is the locked bootloader. You can unlock it but it's going to wipe everything. Your internal sd will be fine but you're phone will appear to be straight out of the box, you'll have to install your apps again, you'll loose all game save data, and you'll have to reconfigure your home screen.
Secondly your warranty is effectively void. If you relock your bootloader it'll say "relocked" in your bootloader menu. Only way to make it say locked again is to s-off and the process requires removing a screw with a void sticker.
So do so at your own risk. Just thought I'd give you a head up
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Thanks for the heads up.
Your second point I don't mind much as I'm not in the US anyway therefore not using at&t or some provider like that.
I don't mind the reconfiguration as well. Is there anything major you can think about that might affect the phone in any negative way?
And how would you suggest I root it?
Thanks
G
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Nah nothing major, it's hard to brick this thing. Only thing I know for sure that'll brick it is flashing radios. But as far as rooting its pretty straight forward. Also if it doesn't have ics on it, update it first. It been a while since I rooted but their is a whole tutorial on it.
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positiveg said:
Thanks for the heads up.
Your second point I don't mind much as I'm not in the US anyway therefore not using at&t or some provider like that.
I don't mind the reconfiguration as well. Is there anything major you can think about that might affect the phone in any negative way?
And how would you suggest I root it?
Thanks
G
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no. nothing. and after you've root, etc., then flash the PACman ROM in the DEV section. jelly bean rom, amazingly smooth, and almost all bugs except bluetooth are worked out
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tut for rooting: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1416836

Yea..once you're unlocked, you'll need to flash custom recovery. Once you have that, you can just flash an already rooted ROM.
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Cool thanks for the advice guys I will take a look and go from there.
What is he best method you'd say is to use to root this phone
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Where to buy in Italy?

Hi all.
Could you help me?
Thanks a lot.
filloweb

filloweb said:
Hi all.
Could you help me?
Thanks a lot.
filloweb
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the droid 4 is not avaiable outside of the USA, you have to buy it e.g. via ebay.
but pay attention, the phone may not work directly in your country / with your provider, so you'd have to GSM-patch it, but there are some good explanations here.

These phones suck anyway...save your money. Major software issues, locked boot loader.
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JayH1980 said:
These phones suck anyway...save your money. Major software issues, locked boot loader.
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JayH, then why do you post in this forum? If you don't like it, don't buy it.
The phone is definitely great if you can handle it, not the best and the newest, but it has the most awesome physical keyboard I ever used, and the support for the roms getting built is also very good. Thanks to safestrap, the locked bootloader isn't a downer. (at this point: THANK YOU HASHCODE).

There are good stable ROMs for this phone. Eclipse ICS + olegfusion's GSM patch or Olegfusion's version of the stock 217 ROM are the ones to go for if you want it to just work. The ports of Cyanogenmod etc. aren't quite there yet, though they are getting close.
There's also one in the dev section now that appears to be stock but with additional languages including Italian.
But yes you'll be needing to buy one from the USA. I got mine from Devices Now and would happily recommend them, especially since they will ship you the phone already upgraded to ICS which takes out most of the work of making it work on GSM.

I posted because I own one of these phones sadly... Hash has done a great job but you have to use up valuable memory to load custom roms due to the locked boot loader. I came from an HTC Evo 3D(sprint) to this phone and the HTC was far superior.
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JayH1980 said:
I posted because I own one of these phones sadly... Hash has done a great job but you have to use up valuable memory to load custom roms due to the locked boot loader. I came from an HTC Evo 3D(sprint) to this phone and the HTC was far superior.
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well, some people like it, some people dont.
I came from a Galaxy Note, but I was willing to take the burden of going to a lower screen resolution because of the very nice hardware keyboard.
I had the HTC Desire Z ( / G2) before my note and I'm very sad the leading manufacturers haven't found a way to make a good phone (maybe not as thin as others, but less bulky) with a full keyboard.