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Why AT&T users should boycott this device

1. The number one smartphone maker, Samsung, provides AT&T users with the ability to flash custom roms. Not HTC. And the VIVID is locked does tight on AT&T.
2. "There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC, May 26, 2011 - http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084
3. #2 was a boldfaced LIE on the part of Peter Chou, CEO of HTC. Since then, HTC has selectively unlocked bootloaders - blaming carriers when their competitors are providing devices that are pretty much wide open. This same device on another carrier is unlockable. That promise has clearly been broken.
4. The common denominator is HTC, not AT&T. Either HTC is gutless or lying, either way, it's THEIR devices that are not unlocked and not the #1 Android supplier.
Don't buy these devices if you want a typical Android experience where you have a choice of firmwares to run. Even if you chose to stay stock with an unlockable bootloader, that choice would be YOURS. Do you really want to give it up?
Join me in boycotting this device. If you already bought one, bring it back to AT&T (You can still choose something else) and tell them WHY.
Personally, I am done buying ANY HTC devices until this policy changes. This BS is getting OLD.

Hey attn1, thats not the only reason I would bring it back. I'm having horrible data connections if any at all.
I didnt like the sgs2, so would you recommend the motorola atrix 2?

I cannot believe I traded my Galaxy S2 for this phone.

SysAdmNj said:
Hey attn1, thats not the only reason I would bring it back. I'm having horrible data connections if any at all.
I didnt like the sgs2, so would you recommend the motorola atrix 2?
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Right now, I think only Samsung and LG are getting it right.

CEaton said:
I cannot believe I traded my Galaxy S2 for this phone.
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attn1 said:
Right now, I think only Samsung and LG are getting it right.
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I would try the samsung galaxy skyrocket but they are having the same lte data connection issues for non lte areas apparently.

attn1 said:
1. The number one smartphone maker, Samsung, provides AT&T users with the ability to flash custom roms. Not HTC. And the VIVID is locked does tight on AT&T.
2. "There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC, May 26, 2011 - http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084
3. #2 was a boldfaced LIE on the part of Peter Chou, CEO of HTC. Since then, HTC has selectively unlocked bootloaders - blaming carriers when their competitors are providing devices that are pretty much wide open. This same device on another carrier is unlockable. That promise has clearly been broken.
4. The common denominator is HTC, not AT&T. Either HTC is gutless or lying, either way, it's THEIR devices that are not unlocked and not the #1 Android supplier.
Don't buy these devices if you want a typical Android experience where you have a choice of firmwares to run. Even if you chose to stay stock with an unlockable bootloader, that choice would be YOURS. Do you really want to give it up?
Join me in boycotting this device. If you already bought one, bring it back to AT&T (You can still choose something else) and tell them WHY.
Personally, I am done buying ANY HTC devices until this policy changes. This BS is getting OLD.
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What??? Why is the HTC Raider's bootloader unlockable on the htcdev site then?
edit: You're a smart guy and I'm sure you can understand the inherent risks of allowing an unlocked bootloader and custom roms (would you download a version of Windows from some torrent site and just trust it). That said HTC is merely making you accept responsibility if you do unlock that bootloader. It seems to me as if ATT is the one not allowing that since The HTC Holiday on Rogers (Raider) is able to be unlocked via their tool, but ATT's (Vivid) isn't.

I will join you in this boycott.
I currently have an unlocked i9100 I'm using, and I was SERIOUSLY considering picking up one of these because a) I want to get on an unlimited LTE plan asap as I assume ATT being the douche-nozzles they are will surely take it away soon and b) for use as an LTE modem essentially since I have such a hard time getting data service in downtown chicago. Not anymore! (unfortunately, I also can't justify buying the skyrocket when I already have the gsII, would have been fun to have something different to play with)
I agree, this bootloader locking is BS. Samsung has phones on every carrier, none of them with locked bootloaders. Even my mom's Charge on Verizon (gag) is unlocked.

Well crap! This isn't what I'd like to have seen from you attn1, but at the same time, I'm sure you're tired of holding ppl's hand to try and root/s-off their phones w/your tool.
Le sigh, I was lookin forward to this and hopefully using another fine piece of attn1 software.

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What??? Why is the HTC Raider's bootloader unlockable on the htcdev site then?
edit: You're a smart guy and I'm sure you can understand the inherent risks of allowing an unlocked bootloader and custom roms (would you download a version of Windows from some torrent site and just trust it). That said HTC is merely making you accept responsibility if you do unlock that bootloader. It seems to me as if ATT is the one not allowing that since The HTC Holiday on Rogers (Raider) is able to be unlocked via their tool, but ATT's (Vivid) isn't.
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No, Samsung and LG devices are open on AT&T. HTC and Motorola are not. There is no option "to accept responsibility" - which would be fine by me. Please go back and re-read the OP. HTC is not delivering what they can - or what they promised.
SysAdmNj said:
I would try the samsung galaxy skyrocket but they are having the same lte data connection issues for non lte areas apparently.
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I would not use LTE until it is more fully deployed anyway.

SysAdmNj said:
I would try the samsung galaxy skyrocket but they are having the same lte data connection issues for non lte areas apparently.
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I'm not sure what connection issues you are referring to. This is the first I've heard anyone mention that.
I live in an LTE area but work in an HSPA area. No connection issues anywhere, regardless of LTE or not.
I have the SkyRocket though.

attn1 said:
No, Samsung and LG devices are open on AT&T. HTC and Motorola are not. There is no option "to accept responsibility" - which would be fine by me. Please go back and re-read the OP. HTC is not delivering what they can - or what they promised.
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I read your post. I understand what you're saying. Apparently you don't understand what I'm saying. I know what HTC promised and realize they haven't lived up to that promise. They are offering a means to unlocking it though. Carriers have to agree though and you have to accept some agreement as well.
HTC's Bootloader Unlock Site
This site works for the Raider, not for our Vivid. Gives a CID (carrier) error.

rquinn19 said:
I read your post. I understand what you're saying. Apparently you don't understand what I'm saying. I know what HTC promised and realize they haven't lived up to that promise. They are offering a means to unlocking it though. Carriers have to agree though and you have to accept some agreement as well.
HTC's Bootloader Unlock Site
This site works for the Raider, not for our Vivid. Gives a CID (carrier) error.
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No, carriers do NOT have to agree, as evidenced by current offerings from Samsung, LG and Sony. HTC is using carriers as a excuse to do what they want anyway. Their competition is not. Regardless of who's issue it is, not buying such a device is the best course of action, and if sales are down significantly, will drive change. Even if it doesn't, anyone lurking around on XDA developers would be infinitely better off with a more open device.

I agree somewhat with you, however things to keep in mind.
1. Accessing the bootloader voids the warranty, so why should AT&T care?
2. Have you contacted HTC as of yet? I have and they said Bootloader shouldn't be locked and if it is ALL devices get an unlock code. I tried to Unlock, and given the device launched on Sunday I am not surprised.
3. HTC is not the only one locking bootloaders, Motorola is FAR WORSE.
Personally I like the phone. I do place custom roms on my devices. As a previous owner of the Droid X and Atrix, I have experienced locked bootloaders.
This phone for me is better than the SGS2. Quirks of the SGS2 Rom with Touch Wiz and not a fully functioning CM yet it wasn't good.

I'l just start off by saying I am not a developer and don't know much about bootloaders and such.. going from a Captivate to the Vivid, I already see a difference in support of development. Is it really this bad?
I'm loving the Vivid as it is, and I HATE stock ROMs, all of them. I just hope that things may change for current Vivid owners.. after all, it's only been two days.

I'm really disappointed with what I'm reading. The Vivid is my first Android device that I've purchased on AT&T, and so far it seems like a great phone. But if devs are saying the device should be boycotted, that doesn't seem like a good sign for future development support.

I don't see what's bad about this device. I'm still going to get this device regardless of what a Dev says .
Edit: And this phone JUST CAME OUT. I do not expect anything within the first week or two. But if it remains like this, i may have to jump on this boycott with you. And i sure as hell don't want to buy another Samsung device
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I had a Vibrant, and when I switched to AT&T, the Infuse was the only good phone on AT&T (I mainly did not want to give up SAMOLED).
I do not want to get another samsung phone, but if I have to get the skyrocket because of HTC's lies, I will.
Sent from my phone. :3

trell959 said:
I don't see what's bad about this device. I'm still going to get this device regardless of what a Dev says .
Edit: And this phone JUST CAME OUT. I do not expect anything within the first week or two. But if it remains like this, i may have to jump on this boycott with you. And i sure as hell don't want to buy another Samsung device
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Yeah. I mean so what if they may have been hypocritical in promising things they have yet to follow up on. At least give it some time. Something is better than nothing.

Ok for 1 I know for a FACT not ALL LG Devices have Unlocked bootloader's considering I Have one so don't go saying that unless you can 100% back that up. Second, I am more than willing to bet AT&T forced HTC to lock the bootloader and I would not be in the least suprised that the new Samsung would be locked down as well considering they are the 1st LTE Devices to be available on AT&T. Regardless though like people said this thing has only been out for less than a freaking week. I am also willing to bet given a month or so HTC will have an Unlock for this device regardless as to what AT&T wants to do.

Big Dawg 23 said:
1. Accessing the bootloader voids the warranty, so why should AT&T care?
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Not true - it may or may not void the warranty, depending on the nature of the problem. That gray area is what HTC fears will cost money. I didn't say AT&T would care about warranty. I said HTC would.
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Ok for 1 I know for a FACT not ALL LG Devices have Unlocked bootloader's considering I Have one so don't go saying that unless you can 100% back that up. Second, I am more than willing to bet AT&T forced HTC to lock the bootloader and I would not be in the least suprised that the new Samsung would be locked down as well considering they are the 1st LTE Devices to be available on AT&T. Regardless though like people said this thing has only been out for less than a freaking week. I am also willing to bet given a month or so HTC will have an Unlock for this device regardless as to what AT&T wants to do.
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Recent phones from LG like the Thrill and the 2GS have been unlockable.
All the recent Samsungs are easily unlockable.
HTC already has an unlock for this device - (on Rogers) and excluded AT&T - one of their largest markets.

Forum is Dead?

Im a first time andriod phone buyer and am starting to wonder if I bought the wrong one....
Is it just me or is this forum dead compared to the Skyrocket. Will there be an unlock for the boot loader?
Needless to say, I like the phone just wish we had more support...or will that come with time?

With a locked bootloader we are in habit of a jam however HTC had stated they will release the unlock, hopfuly Revolutionary and the likes are looking into exploits to get soff and boot
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drewdatrip said:
With a locked bootloader we are in habit of a jam however HTC had stated they will release the unlock, hopfuly Revolutionary and the likes are looking into exploits to get soff and boot
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Can you post a link to where HTC has said they will release an unlock?

just google around the fourm, Except AT&T all HTC Vivid variations are already supporting unlocked bootloader (Through htcdev.com)
If you are AT&T , bootloader is locked at the request of AT&T and I know you can call AT&T and complain because in USA google pushed for a law that would make all device unlocked on the new 700Mhz spectrum.

akcooper9 said:
Can you post a link to where HTC has said they will release an unlock?
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zombie.raised said:
just google around the fourm, Except AT&T all HTC Vivid variations are already supporting unlocked bootloader (Through htcdev.com)
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-announced-new-bootloader-policy
"There has been overwhelmingly [sic] customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience."
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If you are AT&T , bootloader is locked at the request of AT&T and I know you can call AT&T and complain because in USA google pushed for a law that would make all device unlocked on the new 700Mhz spectrum.
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HTC internal tech told me that ATT has not requested a lock nor do they have the authority to enfoce it. Then again their site says bootloader locks vary on devices based on their partners, not really sure there other then shiofting blame maybe
Drew

The only reason I can think of that an Internal Tech would say AT&T did not request the Lock is to cover their asses from a stupid lawsuit from AT&T considering how much money they have and how many different manufacturers exist. Other than that everything is pointing to it actually being AT&T who wants the phone locked considering the Rogers variation is unlocked. Also if you look at what phones are on that website that say can be unlocked None of the AT&T phones are on there even though they can be unlocked.

malickie said:
The only reason I can think of that an Internal Tech would say AT&T did not request the Lock is to cover their asses from a stupid lawsuit from AT&T considering how much money they have and how many different manufacturers exist. Other than that everything is pointing to it actually being AT&T who wants the phone locked considering the Rogers variation is unlocked. Also if you look at what phones are on that website that say can be unlocked None of the AT&T phones are on there even though they can be unlocked.
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Its very confusing beacuse both ATT and HTC have stated that neither of them have requested a bootloader lock and that it would be released "later"
I could see ATT requesting lockes however everyother device that is currently available LG, Samsung and ZTE all have unlocked bootloaders. So its very confusing that they would request locks on only 1 of their 10 Android devices.
TBH i have no idea, both both companies are saying the bootloader will be unlocked "later"
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Something inside of me thinks that everyone will come out of the woodwork when perma root is achieved. Is that wishful think or...?

slapshot30 said:
Something inside of me thinks that everyone will come out of the woodwork when perma root is achieved. Is that wishful think or...?
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Permanent root will likely come from boot loader unlock.
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I think the forum is slow for a couple of reasons:
1. Like others have stated, there is only so much you can do without permanent root.
2. The phone just WORKS! I purchased $50 worth of apps on my old Atrix just to get it to do what Sense and HTC's implementation of Gingerbread does.
... Also, the phone is new and few accessories.
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willgill said:
I think the forum is slow for a couple of reasons:
1. Like others have stated, there is only so much you can do without permanent root.
2. The phone just WORKS! I purchased $50 worth of apps on my old Atrix just to get it to do what Sense and HTC's implementation of Gingerbread does.
... Also, the phone is new and few accessories.
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I totally agree, I unlocked the bootloader and got the temp root but now I don't know why I would need either of that. The only thing I did was removed some bloatware from system (not that I needed to do it). Everything till now seems to be perfect just works flawlessly or is broken that rooting won't fix.
I don't think there is is any ROM with sense 3.5 and 2.3.5 which can ported etc....I would rather wait for ICS and I don't think any one would work on porting it for this device yet any ways ,,,

the only things I am looking to get out of root (other than some custom ROMs) are getting mobile hotspot working and to a lesser extent TiBu.

argolfermd said:
the only things I am looking to get out of root (other than some custom ROMs) are getting mobile hotspot working and to a lesser extent TiBu.
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+1
At the end of the day, I blame ATT and HTC haha!

argolfermd said:
the only things I am looking to get out of root (other than some custom ROMs) are getting mobile hotspot working and to a lesser extent TiBu.
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Mobile hot spot works great if you have the proper plan, just fyi.
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drewdatrip said:
mobile hot spot works great if you have the proper plan, just fyi.
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lol lol lol

[Q] Please I need urgent help Droid phone GSM

hello every body
first thanks for your great efforts , I am seeking your help again plzzzzz.....
I had droid 3 and stolen from 2 days ago I live in Egypt with GSM network , My Droid 3 unlocked was working perfect here) , now i will get a new mobile , I guess it will be Droid 4 as extend for my beloved stolen phone
When I was looking for it on eBay and Amazon I became so confused , as I found
1-Version Droid 4 locked
2-Unlocked Droid 4
3-Unlocked Droid 4 international use
Now my question is which one will work with my local GSM ? please note that a big price diffident between unlocked and locked one , the locked one is more more cheaper , if I buy the locked can I locked it and works perfect with GSM or have I buy unlocked one ?
Thanks in advance

AFAIK they are all the same. If it has ICS it is unlocked for international use. If it still has Gingerbread, I think you can still upgrade to ICS using WiFi.

StevePritchard said:
AFAIK they are all the same. If it has ICS it is unlocked for international use. If it still has Gingerbread, I think you can still upgrade to ICS using WiFi.
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So no need to buy unlocked high price one ? i will buy Version Droid 4 and update it into ICS
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorola-Dr...1004039173?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item27d0a29005
is that what you meant ?
sorry for being annoying but i have to be sure before buy it

ivanol84 said:
So no need to buy unlocked high price one ? i will buy Version Droid 4 and update it into ICS
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorola-Dr...1004039173?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item27d0a29005
is that what you meant ?
sorry for being annoying but i have to be sure before buy it
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Thanks again.

StevePritchard said:
AFAIK they are all the same. If it has ICS it is unlocked for international use. If it still has Gingerbread, I think you can still upgrade to ICS using WiFi.
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So no need to buy unlocked high price one ? i will buy Version Droid 4 and update it into ICS
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorola-Dr...1004039173?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item27d0a29005
http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNLOCKED-NE...0884590003?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item35c1cb41b3
So, the first one i have to get right ?
sorry for being annoying but i have to be sure before buy it

ivanol84 said:
So no need to buy unlocked high price one ? i will buy Version Droid 4 and update it into ICS
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorola-Dr...1004039173?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item27d0a29005
http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNLOCKED-NE...0884590003?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item35c1cb41b3
So, the first one i have to get right ?
sorry for being annoying but i have to be sure before buy it
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Well for one. If u haven't noticed the first one is only bid. On used! The second one is new and buy it now. And they are both the same as stated befor ics is unlocked
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thanks agian for your replay , for the first link its not used one its new , i know its in bid but here is another one buy now
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-V...0991335425?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item257bd4d401
so why its about 150$ price differant with this one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNLOCKED-NE...0884590003?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item35c1cb41b3

ivanol84 said:
thanks agian for your replay , for the first link its not used one its new , i know its in bid but here is another one buy now
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-V...0991335425?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item257bd4d401
so why its about 150$ price differant with this one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNLOCKED-NE...0884590003?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item35c1cb41b3
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There's no international shipping on your first option. If I were buying one today, I'd probably go for one of these:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOTOROLA-...0878227538?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item43b9b18452
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorola-...0887620684?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item4d0a70684c
Cheers,
Steve.

dont worry about international shipping as a friend of mine in USA and will come to Egypt after 1 week , so my question is still here why this big differenced in price between my 2 prevoius llinks
http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNLOCKED-NE...0884590003?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item35c1cb41b3
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-V...0991335425?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item257bd4d401

The only lock on the Droid 4 is that you cannot use it on American GSM carriers, i.e. T-Mobile USA and AT&T. This lock is irrelevant to you as you are in Egypt, unless you intend to travel to the USA and use this phone.
The unlocked one is being sold by Devices Now. It is possible that they have found somewhat to unlock it for US GSM, though if they have they aren't sharing it with these forums. They are a pretty good seller as they were one of the first to offer this phone pre-flashed to ICS for people wanting to use it on GSM.
That said, if you are happy enough with flashing the phone to ICS yourself, and don't intend to use it in the USA, go ahead and get the cheaper one.

thanks a lot Lum_Uk , but is the flashing is just updating the phone to ICS ? I mean when i bought the cheaper one just i need to update it via wire wireless or i have to do something else ?

ivanol84 said:
thanks a lot Lum_Uk , but is the flashing is just updating the phone to ICS ? I mean when i bought the cheaper one just i need to update it via wire wireless or i have to do something else ?
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To flash ICS all u need is the phone and a wire to connect it to your computer (and possibly a sd card).
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Yes just updating it to ICS, though many people have found that the OTA update doesn't always work, so have to flash it the hard way
Full instructions here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766479

Just a little update for everybody here. Just because a Droid 4 has Ice Cream Sandwich or Jellybean doesn't mean it's already unlocked for GSM or international use. Having an Ice Cream Sandwich or Jellybean ROM means that the phone is ABLE to be unlocked from the carrier. The phone DOES NOT come unlocked with each ROM. You have to call Verizon to get an unlock code or pay for an unlock code through one of the measly online websites. I have much experience with this as I was in the Army for a while and took my US Android phone to Iraq and Kuwait with me. You have to put an unlock code into the device for it to be unlocked. Therefore...I would purchase a Droid 4 that has been unlocked previously. You can tell when you put a different SIM card into the phone,it will ask you for the unlock code or tell you the device is unlocked. Just wanted to clarify that for everybody.
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PS4AndroidHacker said:
Just a little update for everybody here. Just because a Droid 4 has Ice Cream Sandwich or Jellybean doesn't mean it's already unlocked for GSM or international use. Having an Ice Cream Sandwich or Jellybean ROM means that the phone is ABLE to be unlocked from the carrier. The phone DOES NOT come unlocked with each ROM. You have to call Verizon to get an unlock code or pay for an unlock code through one of the measly online websites
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Sorry but this is complete rubbish. It may be true for other phones, but the Verizon Droid 4, once flashed to ICS or JB, will work internationally without any codes, custom ROMs or hacking.
My Droid 4 has never even seen the Verizon network, and I don't have an account with Verizon and no way to contact them to get a code. It just works.
Plenty of others in the same situation on this forum, loads of us are using it on GSM without having to get Verizon's permission.

^^ Truth! There is no SIM lock on any VZW Motorola LTE capable device.
The last Verizon Motorola global device to have a SIM lock was the Droid3, which was a CDMA/EVDO/GSM/UMTS global device.

PS4AndroidHacker said:
Just a little update for everybody here. Just because a Droid 4 has Ice Cream Sandwich or Jellybean doesn't mean it's already unlocked for GSM or international use. Having an Ice Cream Sandwich or Jellybean ROM means that the phone is ABLE to be unlocked from the carrier. The phone DOES NOT come unlocked with each ROM. You have to call Verizon to get an unlock code or pay for an unlock code through one of the measly online websites. I have much experience with this as I was in the Army for a while and took my US Android phone to Iraq and Kuwait with me. You have to put an unlock code into the device for it to be unlocked. Therefore...I would purchase a Droid 4 that has been unlocked previously. You can tell when you put a different SIM card into the phone,it will ask you for the unlock code or tell you the device is unlocked. Just wanted to clarify that for everybody.
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Sorry but this is complete rubbish. It may be true for other phones, but the Verizon Droid 4, once flashed to ICS or JB, will work internationally without any codes, custom ROMs or hacking.
My Droid 4 has never even seen the Verizon network, and I don't have an account with Verizon and no way to contact them to get a code. It just works.
Plenty of others in the same situation on this forum, loads of us are using it on GSM without having to get Verizon's permission.
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Hahaha schooled! Not trying to be mean but its generally smart to know what your talking about before u spew bullish out of your mouth and look like an idiot. As lum stated droid 4 isn't locked to Verizon or any carrier. Through build prop tweaks it does work very nicely at that.
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Should probably add, since they are in Ohio, that GSM is locked out for US carriers. This isn't locked out with an unlock code but at the firmware level. So far nobody has broken that and unlock codes don't exist. There's a big sticky at the top of the forum with the current progress in dealing with this problem.

[Q] USA Unlocked vs AT&T version

Hey guys - I currently own the One on AT&T and am loving it so far.
Are there any advantages to owning the AT&T version vs the USA unlocked version from HTC?
I'm thinking of returning the AT&T one and getting the unlocked version mainly so I can get HTC updates directly from HTC rather than waiting for AT&T to roll them out.
Both have LTE bands for AT&T, so that's not an issue.
Any reason why I should keep the AT&T one instead of the unlocked?
Thanks in advance.

The AT&T version has a fantastic logo on the back of the phone.
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Also with the AT&T version you might have to wait an extra day to get a flashable ROM of the latest OTA
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flooty333 said:
Hey guys - I currently own the One on AT&T and am loving it so far.
Are there any advantages to owning the AT&T version vs the USA unlocked version from HTC?
I'm thinking of returning the AT&T one and getting the unlocked version mainly so I can get HTC updates directly from HTC rather than waiting for AT&T to roll them out.
Both have LTE bands for AT&T, so that's not an issue.
Any reason why I should keep the AT&T one instead of the unlocked?
Thanks in advance.
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Since you can unlock the bootloader via htcdev and then load whatever rom you want it's probably not worth the hassle and restocking fee. Although I have the dev version it remains to be seen how htc will update this device or at what frequency. An update is already out for the international phones that has yet to make it to the dev. edition. I'm keeping mine stock for now, but may go the customer route at some point. Either version is a great phone.

If you would rather stay stock and still get the latest updates, get the unlocked or developer edition. If you don't mind unlocking your bootloader and flashing an RUU or custom ROM each time an update is released by HTC, stick with the AT&T version.

bugsy said:
Since you can unlock the bootloader via htcdev and then load whatever rom you want it's probably not worth the hassle and restocking fee. Although I have the dev version it remains to be seen how htc will update this device or at what frequency. An update is already out for the international phones that has yet to make it to the dev. edition. I'm keeping mine stock for now, but may go the customer route at some point. Either version is a great phone.
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At least the unlocked and dev editions are already running a version of the 1.29 firmware though. The AT&T variant is still on 1.26, two major versions behind (1.26 -> 1.28 -> 1.29).

gtg465x said:
At least the unlocked and dev editions are already running a version of the 1.29 firmware though. The AT&T variant is still on 1.26, two major versions behind (1.26 -> 1.28 -> 1.29).
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I've flashed 1.29 so could you please elaborate on what's considered "major" about 1.29 vs 1.26?
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Camera is better. There are bluetooth fixes. Speakers can no longer go as loud (not all changes are necessarily positive depending on your point of view).
Search XDA. These changes have already been well discussed.
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shook187 said:
I've flashed 1.29 so could you please elaborate on what's considered "major" about 1.29 vs 1.26?
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Strictly talking about the build number, 1.26 vs. 1.29 is major, whereas 1.29.xxx.3 vs. 1.29.xxx.13 is minor. Right now the AT&T version isn't far behind, but wait until something like 1.50 or whatever Android 4.2 corresponds with comes out and the AT&T version is left running 1.26 unless you unlock and ROM.

bugsy said:
Since you can unlock the bootloader via htcdev and then load whatwill rom you want it's probably not worth the hassle and restocking fee. Although I have the dev version it remains to be seen how htc will update this device or at what frequency. An update is already out for the international phones that has yet to make it to the dev. edition. I'm keeping mine stock for now, but may go the customer route at some point. Either version is a great phone.
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Thanks guys.
Are they updating the USA 32gb unlocked at the same frequency as the 64gb dev version? or will they update the 32gb the same time they update intl phones.
Also, if I flash new roms as they come out through the hacker channels, will I need to reinstall everything from scratch for each Rom upgrade?
Thanks again.

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flooty333 said:
Thanks guys.
Are they updating the USA 32gb unlocked at the same frequency as the 64gb dev version? or will they update the 32gb the same time they update intl phones.
Also, if I flash new roms as they come out through the hacker channels, will I need to reinstall everything from scratch for each Rom upgrade?
Thanks again.
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Also consider this, the developer edition comes with NO ATT BLOATWARE.
I have the 64 mb developer edition, just installed Visual Voice mail, LTE speeds are incredible,
and the IMEI was able to be used for the ATT network. This is as close to perfect
as you can get! Incredible piece of hardware.
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flooty333 said:
Hey guys - I currently own the One on AT&T and am loving it so far.
Are there any advantages to owning the AT&T version vs the USA unlocked version from HTC?
I'm thinking of returning the AT&T one and getting the unlocked version mainly so I can get HTC updates directly from HTC rather than waiting for AT&T to roll them out.
Both have LTE bands for AT&T, so that's not an issue.
Any reason why I should keep the AT&T one instead of the unlocked?
Thanks in advance.
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Unless you're looking to get the phone subsidized, I see no reason to buy the AT&T model over the unlocked or developer one.

Only reason I can think of is dealing with AT&T for warranty issues is easier and faster than HTC.

I got the HTC unlocked 32GB version direct from HTC (arrived early...it was backordered and I paid for 2-day but HTC upgraded it to 1-day delivery. They shipped Saturday and I got it Monday).
What I noticed (coming from previous AT&T Note 2, S3 and Infuse) on AT&T...
1) no AT&T bloatware (as others have mentioned)...I was shocked how few apps were actually "running"...just a handful. I liked it.
2) tethering (no rooting required) for my occasional use of my iPad mini while on the road.
3) LTE is extremely fast compared to my Samsung's but not sure if that is a unlock versus AT&T issue?? Previously I just assumed LTE coverage was poor in my home. But with the HTC One it screams. Really surprised.
that's it.
So far I have avoided rooting since I want to become familiar with stock Sense, etc...then decide how much I want to play. I do expect to root eventually but stick to the popular stock-like roms (personally can't stand the CM's, etc.)

AT&T in the UK

Hi there guys, was wondering if I was to purchase an AT&T HTC One 64gb developers edition from the US to use in the UK would it work with my UK t-mobile sim or would I need to root the phone?
Also how easy is it to root the htc one, I rooted my htc sensation is it easier than that??
Thanks

I 'think' that if you r00t it you will unlock it also, I might be wrong though and I can't remember if that's right or not.
Look up on 'debranding', to see if rooting will help you on that.
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For a rooting guide see here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2265618

Thx for the speedy reply, yeah dont mind rooting the device but just wanted to be sure that that would actually work on a US AT&T version of the htc one in the UK with a t-mobile sim? Has anyone already tried this?
thanks

Nonononono. Rooting does not SIM unlock your phone. Unlocking your bootloader does not SIM unlock your phone. SIM unlocking your phone, however, does.
If you purchase the AT&T model from AT&T, you will be SIM locked and will either A) have to sweet talk them into unlocking it or B) Pay someone to unlock it(there's a great thread of resources for that in the General section). If you purchase the Developers Edition(or any edition) from HTC, it will already be SIM unlocked and should work just fine on any GSM network in the world. There is no AT&T Developers Edition.
EDIT: As far as the difficulty goes, it's pretty easy to root the HTC One. There's a couple of annoying steps you have to repeat before the process is done(i.e. flashing recovery/rebooting several times until it sticks)

unremarked said:
Nonononono. Rooting does not SIM unlock your phone. Unlocking your bootloader does not SIM unlock your phone. SIM unlocking your phone, however, does.
If you purchase the AT&T model from AT&T, you will be SIM locked and will either A) have to sweet talk them into unlocking it or B) Pay someone to unlock it(there's a great thread of resources for that in the General section). If you purchase the Developers Edition(or any edition) from HTC, it will already be SIM unlocked and should work just fine on any GSM network in the world. There is no AT&T Developers Edition.
EDIT: As far as the difficulty goes, it's pretty easy to root the HTC One. There's a couple of annoying steps you have to repeat before the process is done(i.e. flashing recovery/rebooting several times until it sticks)
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I'm pretty sure that you can Sim unlock yourself once you're rooted.
Never done it myself however so might be wrong.

The-Last-Hylian said:
I'm pretty sure that you can Sim unlock yourself once you're rooted.
Never done it myself however so might be wrong.
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Not on the HTC One, no.
At least, no one has discovered a way to do it. This is XDA we're talking about here, where there's a will there's a hack.

Ah guys, thanks so much for the replies, I'll wait for a developers edition to turn up on ebay. This all came up because I'm tired of waiting for the 64gb version in the UK (if it ever arrives???) and it looks like its cheaper to import from the US (even with import charges).....
I take it the Developer Unlocked Edition just comes with stock android with HTC sense 5 ui???
Thanks again

arvindsond said:
Ah
I take it the Developer Unlocked Edition just comes with stock android with HTC sense 5 ui???
Thanks again
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yes it does;
This special HTC One® Developer Edition comes with: 64GB of onboard memory, SIM unlocked and has an unlocked bootloader. Compatible on these frequencies:
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz (US)

It doesn't have an unlocked bootloader, it has an unlockable bootloader. Just like every other network version of the phone has apart from AT&T. That is why HTC are selling it. Also a phone can be sim unlocked without the phone being rooted, as it is completely different. Unlocking the bootloader and then rooting it, wont sim unlock the phone, it will just allow the user to run unauthorized roms etc. Also if you got an AT&T phone from them, you wouldn't get OTA's from HTC they would come from AT&T as the CID wouldn't be a HTC one.

OK guys thanks for the replies, but now this is slightly confusing, so just to be crystal clear if I was to purchase a HTC One 64gb Developers edition from the US to the UK, and rooted it and installed my own rom etc, would this work in the UK or would I need to root the phone and sim unlock it aswell, or will rooting the phone do that for me anyway.....apologies for all the questions, just want to be sure as I've on;y ever rooted my HTC Sensation
Thanks again

arvindsond said:
OK guys thanks for the replies, but now this is slightly confusing, so just to be crystal clear if I was to purchase a HTC One 64gb Developers edition from the US to the UK, and rooted it and installed my own rom etc, would this work in the UK or would I need to root the phone and sim unlock it aswell, or will rooting the phone do that for me anyway.....apologies for all the questions, just want to be sure as I've on;y ever rooted my HTC Sensation
Thanks again
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OK to clarify - the HTC One DEVELOPERS EDITION will work on any UK network without any tinkering/rooting etc as it is SIM unlocked.
Any other USA model will be SIM locked and you will need to pay about £20 to get it unlocked for (UK) SIM cards. This has nothing to do with Rooting or which Rom you use. Stock will be fine.

2/3G should work, 4G won't tho

Great thanks for clearing that up guys

Hi guys, new question about something similar.....just seen a htc one that interests me, but the guy is saying it's AT&T Unlocked and will work in the UK.....is that even possible?
Thanks

arvindsond said:
Hi guys, new question about something similar.....just seen a htc one that interests me, but the guy is saying it's AT&T Unlocked and will work in the UK.....is that even possible?
Thanks
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That depends, you see, i have an HTC ONE - US international version, but in my country 3G works in 900mhz, and the factory unlocked i have has 850mhz so im stuck without 3G. In England they use 900mhz so i would need one from there, and yours, which is the same as mine only locked to ATT, will not work on 3G in UK, since they are 900mhz. 2G will work there btw.