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Lockable/Unlockable Bootloader

Motorola has listened to the voice of it's consumers!
They stated they were going to implement lockable/unlockable bootloaders into their phones. Basically the same technology that's in the Xoom.
That could be one of the reasons the Bionic has been delayed til this Summer. If that's what it is, then the Bionic will be the "IT" phone for Verizon. That's going to set the benchmark pretty high. Motorola won't be on my **** list anymore lol

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its a cop out....theyre saying its up to the carriers if the phone is unlocked...and no carrier (save maybe tmo) would agree to that voluntarily
this phone will be locked and worthless

nitsuj17 said:
its a cop out....theyre saying its up to the carriers if the phone is unlocked...and no carrier (save maybe tmo) would agree to that voluntarily
this phone will be locked and worthless
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honestly Sprint seems to be the only carrier that honestly DOESNT care what you do with your phone...

heldunder said:
honestly Sprint seems to be the only carrier that honestly DOESNT care what you do with your phone...
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Pretty sure you mean "Tmobile." They gave Cyanogen a g2x, and gtab if I remember correctly to see what he could do with them...

nitsuj17 said:
its a cop out....theyre saying its up to the carriers if the phone is unlocked...and no carrier (save maybe tmo) would agree to that voluntarily
this phone will be locked and worthless
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Honestly I couldn't care less if its locked or not. I agree, lock the thing it makes carriers feel good about themselves. Just don't encrypt it or make it so it can't be unlocked.
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I know Sprint doesn't care because I turned my EVO 4G for a 150 dollar credit towards the EVO 3D and my phone was rooted, custom ROM installed and custom kernel and they said nothing.. I rooted and installed a custom ROM on a Droid X for a friend and they returned it because they didn't like it and Verizon would not take it. Sprint is cool with their customers doing what they want with their phones, I have no idea how t-mobile feels...
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Locked up
If the D3 is any indicator, it will be locked just as the D3 is.

they always lock the phone

yeap it is locked... at least it is rooted..

Meeehh... I just traded in my Charge rooted, and everything. Custom ROM, custom kernel. Not even a peep. Hell, the dude who took the phone had his Charge in his hand when he took it.
Verizon took my first Incredible with a cracked screen, and bricked with no insurance. Only thing they asked was "Do you have a phone you can switch to in the process? No? We'll overnight your new one. Have a good day."
It just depends on who takes it, and their mood.

Why AT&T users should boycott this device

1. The number one smartphone maker, Samsung, provides AT&T users with the ability to flash custom roms. Not HTC. And the VIVID is locked does tight on AT&T.
2. "There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC, May 26, 2011 - http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084
3. #2 was a boldfaced LIE on the part of Peter Chou, CEO of HTC. Since then, HTC has selectively unlocked bootloaders - blaming carriers when their competitors are providing devices that are pretty much wide open. This same device on another carrier is unlockable. That promise has clearly been broken.
4. The common denominator is HTC, not AT&T. Either HTC is gutless or lying, either way, it's THEIR devices that are not unlocked and not the #1 Android supplier.
Don't buy these devices if you want a typical Android experience where you have a choice of firmwares to run. Even if you chose to stay stock with an unlockable bootloader, that choice would be YOURS. Do you really want to give it up?
Join me in boycotting this device. If you already bought one, bring it back to AT&T (You can still choose something else) and tell them WHY.
Personally, I am done buying ANY HTC devices until this policy changes. This BS is getting OLD.

Hey attn1, thats not the only reason I would bring it back. I'm having horrible data connections if any at all.
I didnt like the sgs2, so would you recommend the motorola atrix 2?

I cannot believe I traded my Galaxy S2 for this phone.

SysAdmNj said:
Hey attn1, thats not the only reason I would bring it back. I'm having horrible data connections if any at all.
I didnt like the sgs2, so would you recommend the motorola atrix 2?
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Right now, I think only Samsung and LG are getting it right.

CEaton said:
I cannot believe I traded my Galaxy S2 for this phone.
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attn1 said:
Right now, I think only Samsung and LG are getting it right.
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I would try the samsung galaxy skyrocket but they are having the same lte data connection issues for non lte areas apparently.

attn1 said:
1. The number one smartphone maker, Samsung, provides AT&T users with the ability to flash custom roms. Not HTC. And the VIVID is locked does tight on AT&T.
2. "There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC, May 26, 2011 - http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084
3. #2 was a boldfaced LIE on the part of Peter Chou, CEO of HTC. Since then, HTC has selectively unlocked bootloaders - blaming carriers when their competitors are providing devices that are pretty much wide open. This same device on another carrier is unlockable. That promise has clearly been broken.
4. The common denominator is HTC, not AT&T. Either HTC is gutless or lying, either way, it's THEIR devices that are not unlocked and not the #1 Android supplier.
Don't buy these devices if you want a typical Android experience where you have a choice of firmwares to run. Even if you chose to stay stock with an unlockable bootloader, that choice would be YOURS. Do you really want to give it up?
Join me in boycotting this device. If you already bought one, bring it back to AT&T (You can still choose something else) and tell them WHY.
Personally, I am done buying ANY HTC devices until this policy changes. This BS is getting OLD.
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What??? Why is the HTC Raider's bootloader unlockable on the htcdev site then?
edit: You're a smart guy and I'm sure you can understand the inherent risks of allowing an unlocked bootloader and custom roms (would you download a version of Windows from some torrent site and just trust it). That said HTC is merely making you accept responsibility if you do unlock that bootloader. It seems to me as if ATT is the one not allowing that since The HTC Holiday on Rogers (Raider) is able to be unlocked via their tool, but ATT's (Vivid) isn't.

I will join you in this boycott.
I currently have an unlocked i9100 I'm using, and I was SERIOUSLY considering picking up one of these because a) I want to get on an unlimited LTE plan asap as I assume ATT being the douche-nozzles they are will surely take it away soon and b) for use as an LTE modem essentially since I have such a hard time getting data service in downtown chicago. Not anymore! (unfortunately, I also can't justify buying the skyrocket when I already have the gsII, would have been fun to have something different to play with)
I agree, this bootloader locking is BS. Samsung has phones on every carrier, none of them with locked bootloaders. Even my mom's Charge on Verizon (gag) is unlocked.

Well crap! This isn't what I'd like to have seen from you attn1, but at the same time, I'm sure you're tired of holding ppl's hand to try and root/s-off their phones w/your tool.
Le sigh, I was lookin forward to this and hopefully using another fine piece of attn1 software.

rquinn19 said:
What??? Why is the HTC Raider's bootloader unlockable on the htcdev site then?
edit: You're a smart guy and I'm sure you can understand the inherent risks of allowing an unlocked bootloader and custom roms (would you download a version of Windows from some torrent site and just trust it). That said HTC is merely making you accept responsibility if you do unlock that bootloader. It seems to me as if ATT is the one not allowing that since The HTC Holiday on Rogers (Raider) is able to be unlocked via their tool, but ATT's (Vivid) isn't.
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No, Samsung and LG devices are open on AT&T. HTC and Motorola are not. There is no option "to accept responsibility" - which would be fine by me. Please go back and re-read the OP. HTC is not delivering what they can - or what they promised.
SysAdmNj said:
I would try the samsung galaxy skyrocket but they are having the same lte data connection issues for non lte areas apparently.
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I would not use LTE until it is more fully deployed anyway.

SysAdmNj said:
I would try the samsung galaxy skyrocket but they are having the same lte data connection issues for non lte areas apparently.
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I'm not sure what connection issues you are referring to. This is the first I've heard anyone mention that.
I live in an LTE area but work in an HSPA area. No connection issues anywhere, regardless of LTE or not.
I have the SkyRocket though.

attn1 said:
No, Samsung and LG devices are open on AT&T. HTC and Motorola are not. There is no option "to accept responsibility" - which would be fine by me. Please go back and re-read the OP. HTC is not delivering what they can - or what they promised.
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I read your post. I understand what you're saying. Apparently you don't understand what I'm saying. I know what HTC promised and realize they haven't lived up to that promise. They are offering a means to unlocking it though. Carriers have to agree though and you have to accept some agreement as well.
HTC's Bootloader Unlock Site
This site works for the Raider, not for our Vivid. Gives a CID (carrier) error.

rquinn19 said:
I read your post. I understand what you're saying. Apparently you don't understand what I'm saying. I know what HTC promised and realize they haven't lived up to that promise. They are offering a means to unlocking it though. Carriers have to agree though and you have to accept some agreement as well.
HTC's Bootloader Unlock Site
This site works for the Raider, not for our Vivid. Gives a CID (carrier) error.
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No, carriers do NOT have to agree, as evidenced by current offerings from Samsung, LG and Sony. HTC is using carriers as a excuse to do what they want anyway. Their competition is not. Regardless of who's issue it is, not buying such a device is the best course of action, and if sales are down significantly, will drive change. Even if it doesn't, anyone lurking around on XDA developers would be infinitely better off with a more open device.

I agree somewhat with you, however things to keep in mind.
1. Accessing the bootloader voids the warranty, so why should AT&T care?
2. Have you contacted HTC as of yet? I have and they said Bootloader shouldn't be locked and if it is ALL devices get an unlock code. I tried to Unlock, and given the device launched on Sunday I am not surprised.
3. HTC is not the only one locking bootloaders, Motorola is FAR WORSE.
Personally I like the phone. I do place custom roms on my devices. As a previous owner of the Droid X and Atrix, I have experienced locked bootloaders.
This phone for me is better than the SGS2. Quirks of the SGS2 Rom with Touch Wiz and not a fully functioning CM yet it wasn't good.

I'l just start off by saying I am not a developer and don't know much about bootloaders and such.. going from a Captivate to the Vivid, I already see a difference in support of development. Is it really this bad?
I'm loving the Vivid as it is, and I HATE stock ROMs, all of them. I just hope that things may change for current Vivid owners.. after all, it's only been two days.

I'm really disappointed with what I'm reading. The Vivid is my first Android device that I've purchased on AT&T, and so far it seems like a great phone. But if devs are saying the device should be boycotted, that doesn't seem like a good sign for future development support.

I don't see what's bad about this device. I'm still going to get this device regardless of what a Dev says .
Edit: And this phone JUST CAME OUT. I do not expect anything within the first week or two. But if it remains like this, i may have to jump on this boycott with you. And i sure as hell don't want to buy another Samsung device
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I had a Vibrant, and when I switched to AT&T, the Infuse was the only good phone on AT&T (I mainly did not want to give up SAMOLED).
I do not want to get another samsung phone, but if I have to get the skyrocket because of HTC's lies, I will.
Sent from my phone. :3

trell959 said:
I don't see what's bad about this device. I'm still going to get this device regardless of what a Dev says .
Edit: And this phone JUST CAME OUT. I do not expect anything within the first week or two. But if it remains like this, i may have to jump on this boycott with you. And i sure as hell don't want to buy another Samsung device
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Yeah. I mean so what if they may have been hypocritical in promising things they have yet to follow up on. At least give it some time. Something is better than nothing.

Ok for 1 I know for a FACT not ALL LG Devices have Unlocked bootloader's considering I Have one so don't go saying that unless you can 100% back that up. Second, I am more than willing to bet AT&T forced HTC to lock the bootloader and I would not be in the least suprised that the new Samsung would be locked down as well considering they are the 1st LTE Devices to be available on AT&T. Regardless though like people said this thing has only been out for less than a freaking week. I am also willing to bet given a month or so HTC will have an Unlock for this device regardless as to what AT&T wants to do.

Big Dawg 23 said:
1. Accessing the bootloader voids the warranty, so why should AT&T care?
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Not true - it may or may not void the warranty, depending on the nature of the problem. That gray area is what HTC fears will cost money. I didn't say AT&T would care about warranty. I said HTC would.
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Ok for 1 I know for a FACT not ALL LG Devices have Unlocked bootloader's considering I Have one so don't go saying that unless you can 100% back that up. Second, I am more than willing to bet AT&T forced HTC to lock the bootloader and I would not be in the least suprised that the new Samsung would be locked down as well considering they are the 1st LTE Devices to be available on AT&T. Regardless though like people said this thing has only been out for less than a freaking week. I am also willing to bet given a month or so HTC will have an Unlock for this device regardless as to what AT&T wants to do.
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Recent phones from LG like the Thrill and the 2GS have been unlockable.
All the recent Samsungs are easily unlockable.
HTC already has an unlock for this device - (on Rogers) and excluded AT&T - one of their largest markets.

Anyone else harassing HTC and having their comments deleted

Any questions I post to Facebook about the locked boot loader are deleted in minutes...
Real classy.
That response makes me want to leave HTC more than the locked bootloader
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facebook .com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084

just respond to the link posted above!

BTW all- the HTC Non-Carrier Branded Devices are the ones that have the unlocked Bootloaders-if you have a carrier branded device, it is up to that carrier as to whether or not leave the Bootloader unlocked.

Mine hasn't been deleted from their facebook wall. Been up for 2 days.

I'll be spamming soon.
Sent from HTC Vivid!

browntannis said:
BTW all- the HTC Non-Carrier Branded Devices are the ones that have the unlocked Bootloaders-if you have a carrier branded device, it is up to that carrier as to whether or not leave the Bootloader unlocked.
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Why would AT&T lock this phone but not the Skyrocket?
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This is like 10th thread saying the same thing, Except AT & T all the variations of HTC Holiday/Raider/ support unlocking the boot loader via htcdev.com.
This has been true for all the recent HTC devices launched at least in Canada and Europe.
htcdev.com does not list HTC Raider as support device but the process works and including me many were able to unlock the boot loader.

Harassed HTC on twitter and this was their response:
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doktor buknasty said:
Harassed HTC on twitter and this was their response:
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Then don't have your CEO promise it!!!

doktor buknasty said:
Harassed HTC on twitter and this was their response:
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I don't like the looks of that!

slapshot30 said:
Then don't have your CEO promise it!!!
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IMO our best bet right now is getting evil_devnull a device. At least we could say that we tried. I'm really sick of this "pointing fingers" between htc and att.

doktor buknasty said:
IMO our best bet right now is getting evil_devnull a device. At least we could say that we tried. I'm really sick of this "pointing fingers" between htc and att.
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Agreed. Besides, many of us won't want to void our warranties by doing it HTC's way anyways.

slapshot30 said:
Besides, many of us won't want to void our warranties by doing it HTC's way anyways.
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+1
Ive been harassing them via email~!

just sent these via twitter:
@ATT @ATTCustomerCare @htcdev Can you guys all talk and get the Bootloader unlocked for the Vivid?
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@ATT @ATTCustomerCare @htcdev The Skyrocket is unlocked, it's not a carrier issue. The Raider is unlocked, it's not a manufacturer issue.
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@ATT @ATTCustomerCare @htcdev No more double talk, just fix this problem... NOW.
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Making progress....
@ATTCustomerCare responded asking me to email them
Hi, I will be happy to review your inquiry. Can you e-mail me w/ details to [email protected]?
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This was my email:
Thank you for offering to address my concern.
I purchased the HTC Vivid based on public statements by the HTC CEO that all future boot loaders would be unlocked.
The HTC Raider, which is identical to the Vivid but sold outside the USA has an unlocked boot loader, as does the Samsung Galaxy S2 Skyrocket on AT&T.
HTC has implied that it is AT&T that is not allowing the vivid boot loader to be unlocked, but that seems rediculous based on the skyrocket's status.
I would like to know:
1. Why the bootloader is locked?
2. Why it is not possible to unlock it?
3. and when this will be remedied?
I want a fair and honest answer on when an unlock will be available, because I have 7 days left to return the Vivid and consider taking my multi-line wireless service to another carrier.
In full disclosure, any response you provide and the details of this exchange will be shared with the xda developer community as several members have also stated their desire to leave HTC and AT&T if this is not resolved.
Thanks
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More progress...
got an email response...
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:22 PM, ATTCustomerCare wrote:
Hi,
Thanks you for the information. I am going to have to research what we can do on this one. A couple of questions:
Do you have a good callback number?
I work 9am-6pm EST can I call you sometime in that period?
Thanks,
Robert G
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i replied with my cell number... and confirmed that they can call in that time frame...
I will let you know.

HTC actually responding to me on Facebook...but they seem very clueless this is even an issue. I've been trying to make my voice heard by repeated messages to AT&T and HTC on Facebook, Google+, and Twitter...this is the first response I've gotten. Anyone to tack on some comments?
https://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150571266758084?notif_t=feed_comment

As much as it would help us to get HTC to unlock it, I doubt most of us want to void our warranties.
Like someone said a few posts above, if we can get evil_devnull a device, maybe we'll be in luck.
I bought the Vivid about 7 days ago, I've got 3 weeks left, I don't want to leave it, but will if this issue is not fixed.
Also, maybe if we can get unrevoked or Alpharev (or maybe even both!) to help, that would be great.

^ EXACTLY! Screw HTC, why are we waiting on them? Let's use some of the money from the bounty thread to get the best dev a device, and hopefully they can get the job done. If we can get it done our way, then we can revert back to stock and not lose our warranties.

[Q] HTC One Developer to flash TMO radio later

Hey, I live in Canada and I am with wind. I am really tempted to purchase the HTC one developer edition through a friend of mine. I know that it does not support the HSPA+ 1700Mhz network used by wind and TMO. However, the decive itself does. Would I be able to flash the TMO radio on it once they release the device, and just buy the developer edition beforehand? Just want to make sure that this would work.

People are saying that might be possible, but no one knows for sure until it has been done (not yet).

balint0808 said:
Hey, I live in Canada and I am with wind. I am really tempted to purchase the HTC one developer edition through a friend of mine. I know that it does not support the HSPA+ 1700Mhz network used by wind and TMO. However, the decive itself does. Would I be able to flash the TMO radio on it once they release the device, and just buy the developer edition beforehand? Just want to make sure that this would work.
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We're going to need S-Off for that and who knows when that will happen. And even then, no one really knows if it will work

Well, the developer edition will have s-off, or at least that's what I have heard. Getting the radio might be tricky, but knowing the devs on here someone will work it out. I was just wondering whether it would be physically feasible to get the missing frequency.
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balint0808 said:
Well, the developer edition will have s-off, or at least that's what I have heard. Getting the radio might be tricky, but knowing the devs on here someone will work it out. I was just wondering whether it would be physically feasible to get the missing frequency.
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The dev. edition has unlocked bootloader... NOT s-off.
EDIT: No s-off confirmed by HTCdev twitter: https://twitter.com/htcdev/status/320021639762944001

OK, I guess I was wrong there. Still, after rooting my HTC hero in 2009, my sisters desire in 10, my lg p999 in 11, friends Samsung galaxy s2 in 12, I should be able to get my HTC one a new radio in a month or so, once everyone gets their hands on this awesome device.
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Some of the later HTC devices, like my Amaze, only got S-Off by using a wire trick, which requires physical access to the inside of the phone (in the case of the Amaze, easily done by taking the back cover off). I wonder if S-Off will be possible on the One without physically disassembling it.
http://unlimited.io/juopunutbear.htm .... Step 3, wire trick, which is needed for the phones listed.

Has this been done before on other HTC devices? I've preordered the 64 gb developer edition but am having second thoughts.
The reason I ask is that I bought the International version of the Galaxy note 1 with the expectation that one of our very talented developers could hack the radio to make the Tmobile band active... and it turned out to be way more complicated than anyone gave it credit for. Still not done for that note 1.
I'd like to feel a little more comfortable that this can be done with the One.
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it is interesting, should be an easy fix but here in canada the only provider that is worth paying for is WIND. For $40 you get unlimited, calls, texting and data. Everywhere else it is $60 for a gig or less. So, naturally I want to stick with my provider, the only bummer is that they use the HSPA+ networks, same as T-Mobile.
The unlocked phone also cost $250 more here for some weird reason.

I don't think it will be possible, I'm sure I read that the alternative frequencies burnt off the driver chip. It might have been in the Anandtech review.

Just contacted HTC, got this as an answer ot the S-off of the Developer edition.
"Thanks for contacting HTC Technical Support Center.
Dear Balint, I am glad to know that you are a member of the HTC family and I will be more than happy to assist you.
Regarding the first question, your HTC One has the S-off."
so it is off, and have been confirmed.

balint0808 said:
Just contacted HTC, got this as an answer ot the S-off of the Developer edition.
"Thanks for contacting HTC Technical Support Center.
Dear Balint, I am glad to know that you are a member of the HTC family and I will be more than happy to assist you.
Regarding the first question, your HTC One has the S-off."
so it is off, and have been confirmed.
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Seems like you should believe this when an S-Off phone is in your hands.

I have 64GB Developer Edition and it says Unlock with S-ON this is Popoo Im so mad at HTC it also says SIMLOCK I dont get it.
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Well, the developer edition will have s-off, or at least that's what I have heard. Getting the radio might be tricky, but knowing the devs on here someone will work it out. I was just wondering whether it would be physically feasible to get the missing frequency.
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ahernandez4110 said:
I have 64GB Developer Edition and it says Unlock with S-ON this is Popoo Im so mad at HTC it also says SIMLOCK I dont get it.
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I don't think HTC ever said the dev edition was going to be S-Off, just bootloader unlocked and SIM unlocked.
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Ok, Thanks But why it says on Bootloader SIMLOCK?
oryan_dunn said:
I don't think HTC ever said the dev edition was going to be S-Off, just bootloader unlocked and SIM unlocked.
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ahernandez4110 said:
Ok, Thanks But why it says on Bootloader SIMLOCK?
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With an s-on radio hack now available is it possible for this to be tested?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2245615

nilism said:
With an s-on radio hack now available is it possible for this to be tested?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2245615
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I would like to know as well.

I flashed the T-Mobile radio last week and don't get HSPA on 1700MHZ. I continue to get LTE and I still get HSPA on the refarmed towers. How do I know? I have an older T-Mobile branded phone that I can compare against. At home I get nothing better than EDGE on my Developer Edition One but I get HSPA on my other phone (T-Mobile branded). If I travel down the road a little ways I get LTE and HSPA on the One.
BTW, there are a TON of threads in this and the other One forums that are discussing the T-Mobile radio on the Developer Edition One and it seems the consensus is that you need to change your CID and, to do that, you need S-OFF. MobileTechVideos.com has supposedly gotten S-OFF with a JTAG rig and, a little more tecently, without using a wire. Check their Facebook page for that info -- http://www.facebook.com/pages/MobileTechVideos/182579981788132

We have S-OFF!
Time to kickstart this discussion back up now that S-OFF is in our hands. Thanks to Revolutionary.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2314582

watermelun said:
Time to kickstart this discussion back up now that S-OFF is in our hands. Thanks to Revolutionary.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2314582
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:good: to this! If anyone needs a guinea pig to test with, I have a newly s-off'ed Dev Edition in a non refarmed rural area. Just have no idea when it comes to software hacks as I'm mainly a hardware hacker/hobbyist. I miss the 3G I had with my One S, but I'm loving the 64 gigs on the One!

Bounty for non HTCdev bootloader unlock + root.

Willing to get things rolling with $20 for someone who can get root without using the HTCDev root for the Sprint variant.
If it's possible to retain HTC Warranty, I think it'd be worth looking into.
Anyone else agree?

Greetings,
There is already a Bounty thread for the M8 (it does say for all GSM variants) but there is mention of Sprint devices in said thread.
If I remember correctly @beaups said he will not be working on an HTC-Dev workaround (meaning any device that is unlockable through HTC-Dev) maybe he'll pop in and clarify.
I'll leave the thread open for now, there may be other devs working on an exploit.
Thanks BD619

I don't understand. Looking for working temproot to run permanent soff solution sans Htcdev or looking for some permaroot with locked/s-on
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beaups said:
I don't understand. Looking for working temproot to run permanent soff solution sans Htcdev or looking for some permaroot with locked/s-on
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He wants to bypass HTC Dev would be my guess

Never heard of warranty issues in USA. Is that happening now
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Occasionally HTC will refuse/charge for service if a device has been unlocked prior.

BD619 said:
He wants to bypass HTC Dev would be my guess
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Exactly.
HTC refused to send me a replacement M7 for the purple camera haze because I had an unlocked bootloader.
Blamed the purple haze on overheating due to using non HTC software. complete BS.
Yes, bypassing HTCdev is the goal.

beaups said:
Never heard of warranty issues in USA. Is that happening now
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See my post just above.

So what you are asking for is what is the same thing in this thread right?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2733870

orangekid said:
So what you are asking for is what is the same thing in this thread right?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2733870
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Nope.
This thread is requesting root, not S-OFF.

Captain_Throwback said:
Nope.
This thread is requesting root, not S-OFF.
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I see,
So just looking for Perm Root / System RW without S OFF.
Alright, well good luck!

orangekid said:
I see,
So just looking for Perm Root / System RW without S OFF.
Alright, well good luck!
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Specifically, root without HTC Dev (which is currently the only way to achieve root on any non-Verizon variants).
Personally I've never had any issues with warranty concerns and I've used HTC Dev on every device I've had since the OG EVO. It's relatively easy to restore the device to a completely unrooted/stock state once you've gotten S-OFF, so I've never seen a need to find an alternative method to root.

Captain_Throwback said:
Specifically, root without HTC Dev (which is currently the only way to achieve root on any non-Verizon variants).
Personally I've never had any issues with warranty concerns and I've used HTC Dev on every device I've had since the OG EVO. It's relatively easy to restore the device to a completely unrooted/stock state once you've gotten S-OFF, so I've never seen a need to find an alternative method to root.
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But they have record of your IMEI / ESN having used HTC Dev in the past, even when you go back to stock before sending in, correct?

orangekid said:
But they have record of your IMEI / ESN having used HTC Dev in the past, even when you go back to stock before sending in, correct?
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They have a record of your having requested an unlock code, sure. But that doesn't mean you ever used it to unlock the device.
Unless they have some reason to suspect that you've harmed your device by unlocking it, I doubt HTC would bother checking. And Sprint definitely wouldn't bother checking with HTC to see if that's the case if the device appears to be in stock condition.
I've returned many devices to Sprint for warranty replacements and one device to HTC directly and have NEVER had an issue.

Captain_Throwback said:
They have a record of your having requested an unlock code, sure. But that doesn't mean you ever used it to unlock the device.
Unless they have some reason to suspect that you've harmed your device by unlocking it, I doubt HTC would bother checking. And Sprint definitely wouldn't bother checking with HTC to see if that's the case if the device appears to be in stock condition.
I've returned many devices to Sprint for warranty replacements and one device to HTC directly and have NEVER had an issue.
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That's a good point, I have returned devices to Sprint when I was on Sprint and they didn't ask me anything or even check the bootloader, they just replaced it.
I am not sure how much interested for developers this particular request will generate, but we'll see...
Thanks for the clarification Captain..
I was confused because I didn't think it was possible to get perm root on an HTC device without unlocking the bootloader..

Why not take the device back to the carrier instead of shipping back to HTC?
I do not believe there to be a permroot available without having first unlocked the bootloader or at least, I haven't seen it done.
I don't know much about the m8 as I'm on the t6 but both t6 and m7 didn't need to use htc-dev.
Either Rumrunner, or weaksauce coupled with rumrunner.
Beaups would be most able to answer this question for you.

IAmTheOneTheyCallNeo said:
Why not take the device back to the carrier instead of shipping back to HTC?
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These stories of people walking into a Sprint store with a broken phone and walking out with a new one are nothing more than mythology, to me.

elrayray said:
These stories of people walking into a Sprint store with a broken phone and walking out with a new one are nothing more than mythology, to me.
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Precisely.
I guess the stores in areas outside of mine would rather just replace the device and not ask questions than try to shift the blame to the customer or to HTC.
Standard response from techs here is,"Call Assurion."

IAmTheOneTheyCallNeo said:
I do not believe there to be a permroot available without having first unlocked the bootloader or at least, I haven't seen it done.
Beaups would be most able to answer this question for you.
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There isn't and that's what I'm requesting.
Root, which also requires an unlocked bootloader... that I would like to not have unlocked by htcdev.
If there isn't much interest in it, no biggie. I'll just htcdev unlock if nothing comes of this over the next couple weeks.
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JONBOY345 said:
Precisely.
I guess the stores in areas outside of mine would rather just replace the device and not ask questions than try to shift the blame to the customer or to HTC.
Standard response from techs here is,"Call Assurion."
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If your phone is damaged then you have to deal with Assurion.... If it's software or device malfunction then the store will replace it no question... Most you would need to do is put stock recovery back and relock device...
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