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Im a first time andriod phone buyer and am starting to wonder if I bought the wrong one....
Is it just me or is this forum dead compared to the Skyrocket. Will there be an unlock for the boot loader?
Needless to say, I like the phone just wish we had more support...or will that come with time?

With a locked bootloader we are in habit of a jam however HTC had stated they will release the unlock, hopfuly Revolutionary and the likes are looking into exploits to get soff and boot
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drewdatrip said:
With a locked bootloader we are in habit of a jam however HTC had stated they will release the unlock, hopfuly Revolutionary and the likes are looking into exploits to get soff and boot
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Can you post a link to where HTC has said they will release an unlock?

just google around the fourm, Except AT&T all HTC Vivid variations are already supporting unlocked bootloader (Through htcdev.com)
If you are AT&T , bootloader is locked at the request of AT&T and I know you can call AT&T and complain because in USA google pushed for a law that would make all device unlocked on the new 700Mhz spectrum.

akcooper9 said:
Can you post a link to where HTC has said they will release an unlock?
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zombie.raised said:
just google around the fourm, Except AT&T all HTC Vivid variations are already supporting unlocked bootloader (Through htcdev.com)
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-announced-new-bootloader-policy
"There has been overwhelmingly [sic] customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience."
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If you are AT&T , bootloader is locked at the request of AT&T and I know you can call AT&T and complain because in USA google pushed for a law that would make all device unlocked on the new 700Mhz spectrum.
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HTC internal tech told me that ATT has not requested a lock nor do they have the authority to enfoce it. Then again their site says bootloader locks vary on devices based on their partners, not really sure there other then shiofting blame maybe
Drew

The only reason I can think of that an Internal Tech would say AT&T did not request the Lock is to cover their asses from a stupid lawsuit from AT&T considering how much money they have and how many different manufacturers exist. Other than that everything is pointing to it actually being AT&T who wants the phone locked considering the Rogers variation is unlocked. Also if you look at what phones are on that website that say can be unlocked None of the AT&T phones are on there even though they can be unlocked.

malickie said:
The only reason I can think of that an Internal Tech would say AT&T did not request the Lock is to cover their asses from a stupid lawsuit from AT&T considering how much money they have and how many different manufacturers exist. Other than that everything is pointing to it actually being AT&T who wants the phone locked considering the Rogers variation is unlocked. Also if you look at what phones are on that website that say can be unlocked None of the AT&T phones are on there even though they can be unlocked.
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Its very confusing beacuse both ATT and HTC have stated that neither of them have requested a bootloader lock and that it would be released "later"
I could see ATT requesting lockes however everyother device that is currently available LG, Samsung and ZTE all have unlocked bootloaders. So its very confusing that they would request locks on only 1 of their 10 Android devices.
TBH i have no idea, both both companies are saying the bootloader will be unlocked "later"
Drew

Something inside of me thinks that everyone will come out of the woodwork when perma root is achieved. Is that wishful think or...?

slapshot30 said:
Something inside of me thinks that everyone will come out of the woodwork when perma root is achieved. Is that wishful think or...?
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Permanent root will likely come from boot loader unlock.
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I think the forum is slow for a couple of reasons:
1. Like others have stated, there is only so much you can do without permanent root.
2. The phone just WORKS! I purchased $50 worth of apps on my old Atrix just to get it to do what Sense and HTC's implementation of Gingerbread does.
... Also, the phone is new and few accessories.
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willgill said:
I think the forum is slow for a couple of reasons:
1. Like others have stated, there is only so much you can do without permanent root.
2. The phone just WORKS! I purchased $50 worth of apps on my old Atrix just to get it to do what Sense and HTC's implementation of Gingerbread does.
... Also, the phone is new and few accessories.
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I totally agree, I unlocked the bootloader and got the temp root but now I don't know why I would need either of that. The only thing I did was removed some bloatware from system (not that I needed to do it). Everything till now seems to be perfect just works flawlessly or is broken that rooting won't fix.
I don't think there is is any ROM with sense 3.5 and 2.3.5 which can ported etc....I would rather wait for ICS and I don't think any one would work on porting it for this device yet any ways ,,,

the only things I am looking to get out of root (other than some custom ROMs) are getting mobile hotspot working and to a lesser extent TiBu.

argolfermd said:
the only things I am looking to get out of root (other than some custom ROMs) are getting mobile hotspot working and to a lesser extent TiBu.
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+1
At the end of the day, I blame ATT and HTC haha!

argolfermd said:
the only things I am looking to get out of root (other than some custom ROMs) are getting mobile hotspot working and to a lesser extent TiBu.
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Mobile hot spot works great if you have the proper plan, just fyi.
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drewdatrip said:
mobile hot spot works great if you have the proper plan, just fyi.
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lol lol lol

Anyone else harassing HTC and having their comments deleted

Any questions I post to Facebook about the locked boot loader are deleted in minutes...
Real classy.
That response makes me want to leave HTC more than the locked bootloader
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facebook .com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084

just respond to the link posted above!

BTW all- the HTC Non-Carrier Branded Devices are the ones that have the unlocked Bootloaders-if you have a carrier branded device, it is up to that carrier as to whether or not leave the Bootloader unlocked.

Mine hasn't been deleted from their facebook wall. Been up for 2 days.

I'll be spamming soon.
Sent from HTC Vivid!

browntannis said:
BTW all- the HTC Non-Carrier Branded Devices are the ones that have the unlocked Bootloaders-if you have a carrier branded device, it is up to that carrier as to whether or not leave the Bootloader unlocked.
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Why would AT&T lock this phone but not the Skyrocket?
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This is like 10th thread saying the same thing, Except AT & T all the variations of HTC Holiday/Raider/ support unlocking the boot loader via htcdev.com.
This has been true for all the recent HTC devices launched at least in Canada and Europe.
htcdev.com does not list HTC Raider as support device but the process works and including me many were able to unlock the boot loader.

Harassed HTC on twitter and this was their response:
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doktor buknasty said:
Harassed HTC on twitter and this was their response:
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Then don't have your CEO promise it!!!

doktor buknasty said:
Harassed HTC on twitter and this was their response:
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I don't like the looks of that!

slapshot30 said:
Then don't have your CEO promise it!!!
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IMO our best bet right now is getting evil_devnull a device. At least we could say that we tried. I'm really sick of this "pointing fingers" between htc and att.

doktor buknasty said:
IMO our best bet right now is getting evil_devnull a device. At least we could say that we tried. I'm really sick of this "pointing fingers" between htc and att.
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Agreed. Besides, many of us won't want to void our warranties by doing it HTC's way anyways.

slapshot30 said:
Besides, many of us won't want to void our warranties by doing it HTC's way anyways.
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Ive been harassing them via email~!

just sent these via twitter:
@ATT @ATTCustomerCare @htcdev Can you guys all talk and get the Bootloader unlocked for the Vivid?
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@ATT @ATTCustomerCare @htcdev The Skyrocket is unlocked, it's not a carrier issue. The Raider is unlocked, it's not a manufacturer issue.
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@ATT @ATTCustomerCare @htcdev No more double talk, just fix this problem... NOW.
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Making progress....
@ATTCustomerCare responded asking me to email them
Hi, I will be happy to review your inquiry. Can you e-mail me w/ details to [email protected]?
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This was my email:
Thank you for offering to address my concern.
I purchased the HTC Vivid based on public statements by the HTC CEO that all future boot loaders would be unlocked.
The HTC Raider, which is identical to the Vivid but sold outside the USA has an unlocked boot loader, as does the Samsung Galaxy S2 Skyrocket on AT&T.
HTC has implied that it is AT&T that is not allowing the vivid boot loader to be unlocked, but that seems rediculous based on the skyrocket's status.
I would like to know:
1. Why the bootloader is locked?
2. Why it is not possible to unlock it?
3. and when this will be remedied?
I want a fair and honest answer on when an unlock will be available, because I have 7 days left to return the Vivid and consider taking my multi-line wireless service to another carrier.
In full disclosure, any response you provide and the details of this exchange will be shared with the xda developer community as several members have also stated their desire to leave HTC and AT&T if this is not resolved.
Thanks
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More progress...
got an email response...
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:22 PM, ATTCustomerCare wrote:
Hi,
Thanks you for the information. I am going to have to research what we can do on this one. A couple of questions:
Do you have a good callback number?
I work 9am-6pm EST can I call you sometime in that period?
Thanks,
Robert G
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i replied with my cell number... and confirmed that they can call in that time frame...
I will let you know.

HTC actually responding to me on Facebook...but they seem very clueless this is even an issue. I've been trying to make my voice heard by repeated messages to AT&T and HTC on Facebook, Google+, and Twitter...this is the first response I've gotten. Anyone to tack on some comments?
https://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150571266758084?notif_t=feed_comment

As much as it would help us to get HTC to unlock it, I doubt most of us want to void our warranties.
Like someone said a few posts above, if we can get evil_devnull a device, maybe we'll be in luck.
I bought the Vivid about 7 days ago, I've got 3 weeks left, I don't want to leave it, but will if this issue is not fixed.
Also, maybe if we can get unrevoked or Alpharev (or maybe even both!) to help, that would be great.

^ EXACTLY! Screw HTC, why are we waiting on them? Let's use some of the money from the bounty thread to get the best dev a device, and hopefully they can get the job done. If we can get it done our way, then we can revert back to stock and not lose our warranties.

[Q] What warranty options do I give up/retain if I root my phone?

Ok, so I bought my M8 full price from Amazon, so I guess that already means I don't qualify for any warranty options from Sprint right? Or do I?
And also, regardless of where I bought it, I still qualify for 6 months of screen repair from HTC Advantage, right?
Would I lose everything if I use the HTC Dev unlock method? Even the screen replacement? What about root/s-off methods that do not rely on HTC Dev?

Cyber Akuma said:
Ok, so I bought my M8 full price from Amazon, so I guess that already means I don't qualify for any warranty options from Sprint right? Or do I?
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If you have insurance they will handle warranty issues for you, not sure what they will do if you don't.
Cyber Akuma said:
And also, regardless of where I bought it, I still qualify for 6 months of screen repair from HTC Advantage, right?
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Yes.
Cyber Akuma said:
Would I lose everything if I use the HTC Dev unlock method? Even the screen replacement? What about root/s-off methods that do not rely on HTC Dev?
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If they follow the law you will not lose warranty just for unlocking. Per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act HTC would have to show that actions you took after unlocking your bootloader caused you to damage the specific item claimed under the warranty. That doesn't mean they will follow that though, plenty of reports of people calling up HTC for warranty service and being told it's not covered because they unlocked. There are also plenty of people who have had no issues getting a device fixed after unlocking. So, it's a crapshoot.

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If you have insurance they will handle warranty issues for you, not sure what they will do if you don't.
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I don't have any insurance through Amazon or Sprint, so does that mean HTC Advantage is the only warranty I have?
So then would it still be best to use an unofficial unlock method so I don't basically submit a message saying "Hey, this phone has been unlocked" through htcdev if they still might complain about replacing the screen if I ever break it?

Cyber Akuma said:
I don't have any insurance through Amazon or Sprint, so does that mean HTC Advantage is the only warranty I have?
So then would it still be best to use an unofficial unlock method so I don't basically submit a message saying "Hey, this phone has been unlocked" through htcdev if they still might complain about replacing the screen if I ever break it?
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I don't see that being an issue. Unlocking your bootloader would have nothing to do with a broken screen.
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Cyber Akuma said:
I don't have any insurance through Amazon or Sprint, so does that mean HTC Advantage is the only warranty I have?
So then would it still be best to use an unofficial unlock method so I don't basically submit a message saying "Hey, this phone has been unlocked" through htcdev if they still might complain about replacing the screen if I ever break it?
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Either way you technically have a warranty even without Sprint insurance, they just won't repair your device for free. I believe the fee is $75 to repair it, assuming they actually can repair it, and with this phone there probably won't be much they can fix. If they can't repair it in store if you have insurance they will replace it for free, if you don't have insurance you will have to contact HTC.
I would recommend an unofficial unlock method if one exists, chances are you will either be able to re-lock it or the phone will be so messed up they will have no way of knowing you unlocked it. I wouldn't worry so much about the screen, surely they will not claim you cracked your screen because of an unlocked bootloader. I think anyway you look at it you should be covered by HTC Advantage for 6 months.

Any Downside To Unlocking BL?

I've read concerns about unlocking the bootloader on the 815 variant potentially voiding warranty. I think it was Autoprime but I remember one of the devs in the Simple Root thread saying the T-Mobile BL isn't locked or unlocked once rooted... basically it is open for lack of a better term. Can one interpret that as meaning we have the benefit of an unlocked BL without the warranty concerns? Does that mean we can go back to stock and they'd never knowing the phone was rooted provided the T-Mobile app asking for root was disabled prior to actually rooting? I've searched quite a bit but not seen a definitive answer specifically for the 811h variant. Thanks in advance.
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There is no way to lock or unlock the bootloader on the H811. It's a "special" or "odd" bootloader in that it is only ever open. Since it cannot be unlocked, there is no downside to your phone being in its normal state, however odd its normal state might be.
As far as root goes, T-Mobile is using it as an excuse to say "well you shouldn't have rooted" when you're having software issues, so they can tell you to factory reset instead of troubleshooting. If your phone dies or something, they would have to prove that root was the cause in order to deny a warranty claim. Considering how much T-Mobile is enjoying being the favorite carrier in the spotlight, I doubt they would risk a media storm by telling you that you're warranty is void and they won't repair something unless you did something dumb and root access was the cause. It's more of a safety net for them than something they are going to pursue. Either way, freezing/removing the T-Mobile app and denying SU is a great thing to do.

I went ahead and did it. Super easy process. Thanks for the advice!
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cajunflavoredbob said:
There is no way to lock or unlock the bootloader on the H811. It's a "special" or "odd" bootloader in that it is only ever open. Since it cannot be unlocked, there is no downside to your phone being in its normal state, however odd its normal state might be.
As far as root goes, T-Mobile is using it as an excuse to say "well you shouldn't have rooted" when you're having software issues, so they can tell you to factory reset instead of troubleshooting. If your phone dies or something, they would have to prove that root was the cause in order to deny a warranty claim. Considering how much T-Mobile is enjoying being the favorite carrier in the spotlight, I doubt they would risk a media storm by telling you that you're warranty is void and they won't repair something unless you did something dumb and root access was the cause. It's more of a safety net for them than something they are going to pursue. Either way, freezing/removing the T-Mobile app and denying SU is a great thing to do.
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Pro tip for everyone reading you can just call them and play dumb like you don't know what happened, you just woke up and turned it on like that and they will warranty it no problem, and, In fact there is a very real possibility that if you are on XDA you may e more tech savvy than the person you are talking too.
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I've never used an LG phone besides my nexus5, but if the bootloader is unlocked. Then why can't we just flash twrp through adb and then flash superSU?
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mawells787 said:
I've never used an LG phone besides my nexus5, but if the bootloader is unlocked. Then why can't we just flash twrp through adb and then flash superSU?
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The T-Mobile bootloader cannot be unlocked, nor can it be locked. It is special. We are able to disable security, but we are not able to unlock the bootloader like the European model. Basically, this is the best it's going to get unless there's a bootloader update that fixes this. If that happens, we would then need to be allowed to unlock the bootloader through LG in order to get fastboot actions.
If you've ever used an HTC device, think of it as S-Off without BL unlock. It's weird, but it works.

Rooting Verizon Pixel 5

I can't find anywhere with instructions to specifically root a Verizon OEM Locked pixel 5, maybe I overlooked. If I did can someone post a link please?
If not, then does anyone know if this would work?
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It was posted back in 2018 for a different Verizon based Pixel 1, just curious to know.
I need root so I can block certain bands from my phone. I have multiple bands in my area some are super slow and some are faster than broadband, for some reason my phone likes to auto connect to the slow bands and I can't block them without root, well at least not that I know of.
Thanks in advance for any answers, I really appreciate it.

i4m5up3rm4n said:
I can't find anywhere with instructions to specifically root a Verizon OEM Locked pixel 5, maybe I overlooked. If I did can someone post a link please?
If not, then does anyone know if this would work?
Rooting your Bootlocked Pixel Phone (Verizon Edition)
I bought a new Pixel phone on Ebay a couple months ago for testing an Android app i’m developing. To my surprise,the phone I received in the mail was not the...
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It was posted back in 2018 for a different Verizon based Pixel 1, just curious to know.
I need root so I can block certain bands from my phone. I have multiple bands in my area some are super slow and some are faster than broadband, for some reason my phone likes to auto connect to the slow bands and I can't block them without root, well at least not that I know of.
Thanks in advance for any answers, I really appreciate it.
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You can't find instructions for it because you can't unlock the bootloader on the Verizon branded Pixel 5. Sorry

xunholyx said:
You can't find instructions for it because you can't unlock the bootloader on the Verizon branded Pixel 5. Sorry
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Okay, what about rooting? Is that still possible.

you need to unlock the bootloader to use magisk v22+

Unfortunately for rooting and unlocking bootloader, you can't do that with phones purchased through Verizon. You need to find an unlocked phone to do so. Swappa is a decent place to get one nowadays, but you have to pay in total, no payments can be made.

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Unfortunately for rooting and unlocking bootloader, you can't do that with phones purchased through Verizon. You need to find an unlocked phone to do so. Swappa is a decent place to get one nowadays, but you have to pay in total, no payments can be made.
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That could be slightly deceiving. An unlocked phone is carrier unlocked that's it. It does not mean you can unlock the bootloader. So technically you would need an unlockable bootloader device not merely an unlocked phone. You can buy an unlocked Verizon phone with no way of unlocking the bl as witnessed by the OP.

True, I should have worded that better!
If you know what you're looking for though, an unlocked device is still the best route, at least for Pixels. Most of the time if it's not locked to a carrier it can be rooted and unlocked. At least in my experience it's been this way. But I also ask questions and make sure I know what is being purchased before following through.

i4m5up3rm4n said:
Okay, what about rooting? Is that still possible.
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ProjectAlly said:
True, I should have worded that better!
If you know what you're looking for though, an unlocked device is still the best route, at least for Pixels. Most of the time if it's not locked to a carrier it can be rooted and unlocked. At least in my experience it's been this way. But I also ask questions and make sure I know what is being purchased before following through.
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It wasn't really meant to be critical of you, I'm sure you know all that. I've just seen too many horror stories of buying an unlocked device and not being able to bl unlock due to restrictions the carriers put on. Some have been lucky and paid off the device, begged tech support to allow bl unlock and succeeded in that request. And then there are those devices that are carrier unlocked and will never be bl unlocked like the Verizon models. So as you say, ask questions and make sure you know exactly what you are buying.

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You can't find instructions for it because you can't unlock the bootloader on the Verizon branded Pixel 5. Sorry
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Interesting. I have, it's not difficult. They just don't post it in the forums.

JCBiznatch said:
Yes, it is. Stop acting like anything is impossible. You can switch this feature on, and off. Easily.
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You can't just say that with no proof and think anyone will take it seriously. So prove it, we're all ears.

Hell, if that were true, I would ONLY buy Verizon phones

JCBiznatch said:
Yes, it is. Stop acting like anything is impossible. You can switch this feature on, and off. Easily.
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Provide instructions then. You just saying it can be done without providing them is a moot comment.

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Interesting. I have, it's not difficult. They just don't post it in the forums.
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JCBiznatch said:
Yes, it is. Stop acting like anything is impossible. You can switch this feature on, and off. Easily.
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Time to put up or... well you know. Posts like these will send new users on a wild goose chase attempting to gain root/bootloader unlock on their devices purchased from Verzion and end with them being unhappy that they can't.

l7777 said:
Time to put up or... well you know. Posts like these will send new users on a wild goose chase attempting to gain root/bootloader unlock on their devices purchased from Verzion and end with them being unhappy that they can't.
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Not if you truly know what you're doing. A few years ago people stopped posting about hacks and just share with a few friends. That way, they can't fix those problems. It was figured out back on the Pixel 2 they search these forums, we'd do hacks then be fixed in the very next update. You can think this and that is impossible, but you are sadly wrong. You can enable the OEM unlock on Verizon models, yes you can!

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Not if you truly know what you're doing. A few years ago people stopped posting about hacks and just share with a few friends. That way, they can't fix those problems. It was figured out back on the Pixel 2 they search these forums, we'd do hacks then be fixed in the very next update.
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Still not buying it. It has always been a game of cat and mouse when you're talking about going around security features of a device. Unless the flaw was in hardware, it was almost a given that the device would be updated and the vulnerability patched out. Second if some people did know how to unlock these devices they would almost certainly offer unlock services of some sort or there would be no point in keeping the information secretive.
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You can enable the OEM unlock on Verizon models, yes you can!
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So what's the point of posting this if you're not going to offer any guidance on how to do it other than essentially saying you have to know "someone".

It's sad how things like this can become so twisted and turned and convoluted. It doesn't do any good does it? None that I can see.
I'm guessing, but anyone talking about a vzw being unlockable is probably referring to someone who got a vzw 'in the box', unopened and never activated.
I just got a pix3 in that condition, and yes, remove vzw sim, boot up minimal except connect wifi, enable dev and turn on oem unlock... it does work.
But the key is 'never activated'. It seems pretty clear that what happens when u buy from vzw, they won't give u the phone without activating it. So it has to be old stock, unsold, vzw is trying to move out of their warehouses.
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Still not buying it. It has always been a game of cat and mouse when you're talking about going around security features of a device. Unless the flaw was in hardware, it was almost a given that the device would be updated and the vulnerability patched out. Second if some people did know how to unlock these devices they would almost certainly offer unlock services of some sort or there would be no point in keeping the information secretive.
So what's the point of posting this if you're not going to offer any guidance on how to do it other than essentially saying you have to know "someone".
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If you know how to hack, you know how to do this. Am I going to give a step by step guide? No, I'm not going to sit back and give them the information they need to know. Simple as that. I'll keep hacking every Pixel that comes out, directly ordered from Verizon.

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But the key is 'never activated'. It seems pretty clear that what happens when u buy from vzw, they won't give u the phone without activating it. So it has to be old stock, unsold, vzw is trying to move out of their warehouses.
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Nothing about that statement is correct, sorry. It's been proved time and time again.

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If you know how to hack, you know how to do this. Am I going to give a step by step guide? No, I'm not going to sit back and give them the information they need to know. Simple as that. I'll keep hacking every Pixel that comes out, directly ordered from Verizon.
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What's your definition of "hack"?
If you really can do this, why don't you offer to do it for people? I'm sure more than a few would be happy to throw you some $$ to get their Verizon devices unlocked. I did this back in the days of the HTC devices when a Java card was the only bootloader unlock method. You'd also get less blowback than effectively saying "Nah nah I know how to do this but I'm not going to tell you."