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Bummer... Tmobile, 3G and my Kaiser

So, if TMO is going with 1700mhz for their 3G (whenever the hell that might be), my Kaiser isn't going to be compatible, right? Bummer. Hope I'm wrong.

will not be compatible

thats the very reason I left Tmobile...i no longer conider then a real carrier.

Any idea if my Kaiser would work on Verizon or another carrier?

I can understand t-mo's reasons for deploying 3g services on 1700mhz, better coverage within mast area and penetration in buildings.
UK is going through similar turmoil, Ofcom is looking into 900Mhz and 1800Mhz 2G networks being upgraded to 3G services if they dont take the 900Mhz range off Voda and o2.

Scott_F said:
Any idea if my Kaiser would work on Verizon or another carrier?
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Not verizon, but any gsm service provider. ie:AT+T.

Read the 3g part of the post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1930269#post1930269
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=366634&page=14
I don't know where all these people are getting their proof on T-Mo rolling out 1700. Proof anyone? or just something you heard and thought you might repeat.

moddin said:
Read the 3g part of the post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1930269#post1930269
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=366634&page=14
I don't know where all these people are getting their proof on T-Mo rolling out 1700. Proof anyone? or just something you heard and thought you might repeat.
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http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/06/t-mobile-details-3g-plans/

WonkotheSane said:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/06/t-mobile-details-3g-plans/
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http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9825328-1.html
This says 2100 which kaiser also supports. There are no hard facts these stories are like celebrity gossip that nobody cares about.

moddin said:
http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9825328-1.html
This says 2100 which kaiser also supports. There are no hard facts these stories are like celebrity gossip that nobody cares about.
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Yeah, nobody really cares because it's all good and fun until your phone doesn't work one day by surprise when you take it out of your pocket because they changed the bands on you. I don't worry about things like this either.

Modify Verizon Droid to work with Sprint

With the recent influx of Droid devices generated by them being handed out to many individuals through Google's developer channels, I imagine I'm not the only one wondering whether or not it would be possible to get service for this device by anyone other than Verizon. I'm hoping that someone can explain to me what it might take to make this possible.
As I understand it, VZW uses both 1900 and 850 while Sprint uses only 1900 with roaming possible on 850. That means the device should be compatible between the two networks from a frequency standpoint. What I'm not sure about is whether any of the software instructions coded into the VZW/Sprint devices are important to the correct operation of the phone on the network, or if they are identical and it only matters which network accepts the device's ESN.
In short:
- Would any software modifications to the device be necessary for appropriate functionality on the Sprint network?
- If so, could those modifications be derived from existing Sprint Android platforms like the Hero/Moment?
I have been given a free Droid, but I have no plan on ever switching to Verizon. It will remain a development only device if I can't modify it to work with my existing Sprint account.
Thanks in advance for any information.

othelil said:
With the recent influx of Droid devices generated by them being handed out to many individuals through Google's developer channels, I imagine I'm not the only one wondering whether or not it would be possible to get service for this device by anyone other than Verizon. I'm hoping that someone can explain to me what it might take to make this possible.
As I understand it, VZW uses both 1900 and 850 while Sprint uses only 1900 with roaming possible on 850. That means the device should be compatible between the two networks from a frequency standpoint. What I'm not sure about is whether any of the software instructions coded into the VZW/Sprint devices are important to the correct operation of the phone on the network, or if they are identical and it only matters which network accepts the device's ESN.
In short:
- Would any software modifications to the device be necessary for appropriate functionality on the Sprint network?
- If so, could those modifications be derived from existing Sprint Android platforms like the Hero/Moment?
I have been given a free Droid, but I have no plan on ever switching to Verizon. It will remain a development only device if I can't modify it to work with my existing Sprint account.
Thanks in advance for any information.
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the only way to get this to work is via esn swapping !! and that is illegal!! so.... good luck google it!! sprint will not add esns to there network from other carriers !! verizon does is sometimes but sprint will not do it!! sorry are u willing to sell it?

adrianh85 said:
the only way to get this to work is via esn swapping !! and that is illegal!! so.... good luck google it!! sprint will not add esns to there network from other carriers !! verizon does is sometimes but sprint will not do it!! sorry are u willing to sell it?
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Illegal, huh? Good 'ol US; the only country that feels the need to so tightly bind our devices to specific carriers. I vastly prefer the unlocked GSM phone model that Europe operates under. Le sigh.
Thanks for the info. I'm unlikely to sell, as I can find uses even for a device that doesn't have service. I just thought I could kill the proverbial two birds with one stone if I could make it work. C'est la vie.

You're forgetting the fact that there are at least TWO major nationwide GSM carriers in the US.
Japan has better game-shows than the US does, but I'm not going to say, "good ol' US" when complaining about it. But, I wouldn't even complain about it.

Cirkustanz said:
You're forgetting the fact that there are at least TWO major nationwide GSM carriers in the US.
Japan has better game-shows than the US does, but I'm not going to say, "good ol' US" when complaining about it. But, I wouldn't even complain about it.
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I'm not forgetting at all. The difference is that phones here, even for those two carriers, are sold locked rather than unlocked. Many consumers don't even know they have a choice, nor are they aware that their phones can be unlocked. The fact that the phones can be unlocked, and maybe could be used somewhere else in the world (depending on whether or not they support non-US bands), hardly excuses the fact that a tiny number of consumers would ever even realize that, or go through the hoops and hurdles necessary to unlock their phones.
This is a far cry from a market with many options for carriers where phones are sold unlocked and can be easily moved between any available carrier. The Wikipedia listing of mobile network operators in Europe (which I can't post) is quite illuminating when you realize that countries a tiny fraction of our size have a lot more than 2 choices that the phones they purchase, their property, can operate on. I would say cheering that at least we have two choices seems a little silly when the competition level here for carriers is so much weaker than elsewhere in the world.
Let's just say I'm more than a bit frustrated that what I've been gifted is, in the absence of one particular company's service, a brick. The phone belongs to me, yet whether or not I can use it as more than an alarm clock is dictated by only one company. It seems a little silly, and more than a tad bit frustrating. I would have much preferred an unlocked GSM phone; not only would I have two networks, albeit only one with 3G, to choose from, but my international options would have been wonderful.

Ok, so long story short.. there is no way to get the Droid A855 on gsm even if its unlocked? I know I just might be in the wrong forum but I have been searching all freaking day and honestly every site is starting to look the same to me 10:1 I'll prolly just sell the phone back off

Mr_Vicious said:
Ok, so long story short.. there is no way to get the Droid A855 on gsm even if its unlocked? I know I just might be in the wrong forum but I have been searching all freaking day and honestly every site is starting to look the same to me 10:1 I'll prolly just sell the phone back off
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No, because the A855 does not have a GSM radio in it. Without the capable hardware, what you want to do is impossible.

[Poll]- Verizon iPhone

With all the talk about the CDMA iPhone, I am curious who and how many people will be getting the Verizon iPhone. I have included a poll, please vote and comment. Also, if you are already with Verizon and will switch platforms to the iPhone, please state which platform you are switching from.
For me, I am currently on Sprint and have the EVO 4G. I am very happy with Sprint and Android and I would not consider the iPhone on any network. However, my wife who has the Epic has said she would like an iPhone if it came to Sprint though she would not want to switch to Verizon's over priced network just for the iPhone.

I really hope I don't watch my network performance level go down once it is released.
good day.

I can't wait for people to jump ATT's ship and free up some of the bandwidth so I can get priority over the iphones
But no, I will never own an idevice although I would love to switch back to verizon soon for the superior coverage and call quality. I was with them for almost ten years and now want to return to the better network more than ever, as soon as they get some new HTC hardware!

Interesting results so far, though I am curious to hear from more Verizon folks.

Apple has successfully made idiots think that it's technology's fault why they can't operate a device or computer properly.
Little did they know, it's the user that's the idiot.
I hope the Verizon network burns if this phone arrives.

rorytmeadows said:
Apple has successfully made idiots think that it's technology's fault why they can't operate a device or computer properly.
Little did they know, it's the user that's the idiot.
I hope the Verizon network burns if this phone arrives.
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The first sentence in your sig really is true isn't it
Living in the UK though I don't know much about the CDMA using networks over there, but I must say that I think this should be the first and last CDMA iPhone

MacaronyMax said:
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The first sentence in your sig really is true isn't it
Living in the UK though I don't know much about the CDMA using networks over there, but I must say that I think this should be the first and last CDMA iPhone
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Yeah, you have to remember. Most Americans are idiots and ethnocentric when it comes to many things. They think the world stops and ends with Verizon and any phone that it comes with. They are baffled when phone makers don't release a CDMA model (if they even know what CDMA means). They are baffled by Windows Phone not having a CDMA model this year. They are too stupid to understand that the tech world doesn't revolve around America or CDMA.

rorytmeadows said:
Yeah, you have to remember. Most Americans are idiots and ethnocentric when it comes to many things. They think the world stops and ends with Verizon and any phone that it comes with. They are baffled when phone makers don't release a CDMA model (if they even know what CDMA means). They are baffled by Windows Phone not having a CDMA model this year. They are too stupid to understand that the tech world doesn't revolve around America or CDMA.
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What...?
When did anyone say the tech world revolves around the UNITED STATES (you don't even know the name of the country yet you attempt to talk about it's ignorance) or CDMA?

anthony_ said:
What...?
When did anyone say the tech world revolves around the UNITED STATES (you don't even know the name of the country yet you attempt to talk about it's ignorance) or CDMA?
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See what I mean? So ethnocentric, this person thought I was talking to them!

rorytmeadows said:
See what I mean? So ethnocentric, this person thought I was talking to them!
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Because you were as evident by the use of the term Americans.

is cdma like 3G? or edge?

flyboyovyick said:
is cdma like 3G? or edge?
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CDMA refers to the technology of the cellular network. There's GSM and CDMA. GSM dominates the world, except for in the US, CDMA dominates for some reason.

From what I know, (and that is not much on the subject of cell phone technology), CDMA is a newer and more advanced technology in that it offers better call quality and signal strength and also is able to juggle signals between more towers resulting in fewer dropped calls while moving. However, CDMA does not offer the ability to simultaneously use voice and data. I'm not sure how accurate this is, but I read it somewhere awhile ago.
On another note, thanks for the replys and voting, everyone. It will be interesting to see how this changes the game. Android has so much momentum right now and is selling crazy amounts of phones on every available carrier while Apple has obviously been limited to AT&T. It will be interesting to see how many people jump from Android to iPhone.

mlin said:
From what I know, (and that is not much on the subject of cell phone technology), CDMA is a newer and more advanced technology in that it offers better call quality and signal strength and also is able to juggle signals between more towers resulting in fewer dropped calls while moving. However, CDMA does not offer the ability to simultaneously use voice and data. I'm not sure how accurate this is, but I read it somewhere awhile ago.
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Yeah, that's pretty much what I read a year ago and I think it still holds true, although I thought GSM had greater flexibility in terms of quality improvement.
Of course the CDMA vs. GSM argument will go out the window once people start using voice-over-data anyway. Then it's LTE vs. WiMax and LTE is the clear winner.

[Q] Nexus One & Developer Phone

As my trusty ATT N1 soldiers on, I'm considering whether to jump to a new carrier in the near future so that I can stay current with upcoming Google Developer Phones. I would appreciate some feedback regarding the assumption that since the G1, Sapphire, and N1 were TMobile compliant, we can expect that the next Google Dev Phone might be exclusively flavored TMobile. Do you agree?
Thanks all.

We can assume sense they had a close relationship with Danger and now Google that they will stick with the same bands for Developer Phones. Just like we can only assume Google will stick with HTC for official Developer Phone hardware.
Again, this is only based on the past.

evilkorn said:
We can assume sense they had a close relationship with Danger and now Google that they will stick with the same bands for Developer Phones. Just like we can only assume Google will stick with HTC for official Developer Phone hardware.
Again, this is only based on the past.
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true...only if we can trust history. thanks for sharing your thoughts.

lpasq said:
true...only if we can trust history. thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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well history is all we have to go on.
one of the main reasons why T-mobile 3G bands have been used on the dev phones so far is because its the most compatible worldwide (ie works with the most carriers in the world, you can use them in the US, Canada and in Europe)
considering this its pretty likely to continue to stay this way. ATT 3G band is no where near as widely used and CDMA phones must be carrier specific (well they don't have to be really hardware wise but the way they work vs GSM phones its extremely dependant on the provider allowing you to use a phone that is not theirs on their network, it can be done but its a real pain to get them to do it)

Frito11 said:
...one of the main reasons why T-mobile 3G bands have been used on the dev phones so far is because its the most compatible worldwide (ie works with the most carriers in the world, you can use them in the US, Canada and in Europe)
considering this its pretty likely to continue to stay this way. ATT 3G band is no where near as widely used and CDMA phones must be carrier specific...
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understood

Purchased Unlocked Dev. Edition, now Tmobile or Att?

Hello, I just received my unlocked HTC one dev. edition from the manufacturers website, and I was wondering which carrier would be better suited for the phone. I was reading that the dev. edition isn't well supported for T-mobile, unless the branded version was bought. Then I read that for an att plan, I would need to go to the corporate store in order to maybe get a plan if they allow me to. I would just like to have optimal speeds, with this optimal device. Any suggestions on what I should do?
ps. I don't know if this was addressed earlier but I tried looking around

My suggestion would be to try T-Mobile first. See how it works out for you at home and at your job, or other places where it might be important to you to have good reception. Check the coverage maps on the respective carrier websites. If it doesn't work out then see if you can try out AT&T. If you are friendly and you let the reps know your intentions maybe they will work with you. T-Mobile is cheaper than AT&T last time I checked so that's definitely a plus.

elementur said:
My suggestion would be to try T-Mobile first. See how it works out for you at home and at your job, or other places where it might be important to you to have good reception. Check the coverage maps on the respective carrier websites. If it doesn't work out then see if you can try out AT&T. If you are friendly and you let the reps know your intentions maybe they will work with you. T-Mobile is cheaper than AT&T last time I checked so that's definitely a plus.
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Thanks for the reply. Before I head out to T-mobile, I heard that the dev. edition doesn't support HSPA+ nor 1700Mhz for LTE speed. So if I do get a plan, I wonder if I'll end up with EDGE. Is that possible?

logic onlinwt
Htc 31 said:
Thanks for the reply. Before I head out to T-mobile, I heard that the dev. edition doesn't support HSPA+ nor 1700Mhz for LTE speed. So if I do get a plan, I wonder if I'll end up with EDGE. Is that possible?
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Btw I live in the Chicago suburbs, and when I checked the 1900Mhz coverage on the T-mobile site, it was spotty all around the suburbs.

According to the article below it should support at least HSPA+ when using T-Mobile. Give the article a read.
Source.

elementur said:
According to the article below it should support at least HSPA+ when using T-Mobile. Give the article a read.
Thanks, I'm actually on my way to the store now.
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