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Wait for Froyo or root now?

Hi all. I've had my Nexus for about three weeks now, and while I originally bought it for Froyo, I'm getting impatient and have the urge to root and try ROMs like CM and Modaco.
Should I wait or just root and do it?
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i rooted mine yesterday and only had it for 4 days.... havent even gotten the bill yet.... i bought it to hack

Even if you root you can still install Froyo. Its not like you're losing the ability to install Froyo by rooting. Actually, you don't even have to root to install Froyo now irrc..

I say go for it.
Then again, I'm a bad influence, and have a reputation for voiding warranties.
I rooted my phone within the first hour I had it - haven't looked back

Even if you root you can still install Froyo. Its not like you're losing the ability to install Froyo by rooting. Actually, you don't even have to root to install Froyo now irrc..
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I have an AT&T Nexus One so I can't flash Froyo without root.
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I say go for it.
Then again, I'm a bad influence, and have a reputation for voiding warranties.
I rooted my phone within the first hour I had it - haven't looked back
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My phone looks to be fine. No screen, wifi, or any sort of issues. But I've read that HTC still fixes unlocked phones (at least sometimes). I'm just afraid of paying $530 for this thing and then bricking it. Haha.
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tjsimmons said:
My phone looks to be fine. No screen, wifi, or any sort of issues. But I've read that HTC still fixes unlocked phones (at least sometimes). I'm just afraid of paying $530 for this thing and then bricking it. Haha.
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There is no chance of bricking it unless you update the radio. You won't have to update the radio to flash most 2.1 ROMs.... you will have to when you upgrade to Froyo. Might as well go ahead and screw around on 2.1 for now

tjsimmons said:
My phone looks to be fine. No screen, wifi, or any sort of issues. But I've read that HTC still fixes unlocked phones (at least sometimes). I'm just afraid of paying $530 for this thing and then bricking it. Haha.
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I recently sent my phone in rooted for repair and htc didn't mind.
got it back a couple days later but it was locked again.

There is no chance of bricking it unless you update the radio. You won't have to update the radio to flash most 2.1 ROMs.... you will have to when you upgrade to Froyo. Might as well go ahead and screw around on 2.1 for now
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Hmm. I'll have to look at some of the ROMs then and see what I like.
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Does anyone else appreciate the irony of someone asking XDA if they should root?
It's like asking a kleptomaniac if you should shoplift.

I didn't root for 3 months until last week when I finally rooted. With froyo so close I thought about waiting. But once I rooted its now obvious that rooting is the way to go. Don't even worry about the official update coming. Just root it and you will have the official update earlier than if you don't root. Plus cyanogen is such a great ROM and totally worth it.

Okay so, I'm going to root and look at flashing some ROMs. Any guides out there? I see the sticky in General for Sense UI, but I'm not terribly sure if that's what I should follow or what.
Thanks!

Edit: started new thread.

just a quick question to you topic creator..im very new to rooting and flashing roms myself may i ask what guide you used to lear to do it?

mykeldrip said:
just a quick question to you topic creator..im very new to rooting and flashing roms myself may i ask what guide you used to lear to do it?
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In General Paul posted a guide from stock N1 to Sense UI/CM (it's a sticky). I just went down that and it worked great.

codesplice said:
It's like asking a kleptomaniac if you should shoplift.
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Hey it's not like we do it because we want to, we have to!

Lmao, sooooo true

About the OTA, you, and your phone

The reason we haven't said much on the OTA is it's not entirely official. Until it starts hitting everyones phones I wouldn't say it's released. And until then, it could change! We know the leaked OTA works with our tools still. But that doesn't mean the released one will. Once we KNOW what is final, we will make a method to update without the nonsense of ruu'ing your phones. If you wait, you will get a easier time. If you are in such a hurry to get 720p, so be it.

Yeah, I'm not really understanding why everyones rushing to get this on their phone. I'm waiting. I know once it officially hits our phones it shouldn't take long until we can patch it properly and still keep our root.

Yes, this i can wait for... a good, working froyo rom ---------- that's another story...
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Thanks for the update and of course all of your hard work, it's really awesome when devs keep the community informed as much as you guys do.

I as well was wondering why people were rushing to get this done on their phone so fast. I knew you guys would be patching it I also noticed that you guys now have an unlocked bootloader?!
http://twitter.com/unrevoked/status/18736914664
full nand unlock + whatever else this can accomplish (I guess anything now) here we come!

dspero said:
Yes, this i can wait for... a good, working froyo rom ---------- that's another story...
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A good one will come when it's released for our phones from HTC.

kentoe said:
I as well was wondering why people were rushing to get this done on their phone so fast. I knew you guys would be patching it I also noticed that you guys now have an unlocked bootloader?!
http://twitter.com/unrevoked/status/18736914664
full nand unlock + whatever else this can accomplish (I guess anything now) here we come!
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I am a tweaker by heart, so I cannot sit idle, waiting. I'm not saying its a bad thing to wait, its just not for me and I am willing to take the risks.

what does unlocked bootloader mean?

It means our phones are completely unlocked and we can screw them up even easier than before.

I am currently rooted, but would like the contents of the upcoming OTA. I understand that I have to revert back to stock and unroot in order to install this update, since the new radio is what I am most excited about. Is this our only option to go about applying the update? I like having root access, but ultimately I would rather receive the OTAs that will be coming soon. Does anybody have any insight about whether or not there will be a way to install these updates in the form of a ROM without losing root, or should I just bite the bullet and unroot if this is what I ultimately want with my phone?

mickym5 said:
. Does anybody have any insight about whether or not there will be a way to install these updates in the form of a ROM without losing root, or should I just bite the bullet and unroot if this is what I ultimately want with my phone?
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That's pretty much what this post is about. Once the OTA is final and is actually being pushed, we will get a version of it that doesn't require us to go through the current process which requires us to unroot our phones.

I, for one, can wait for the rooted version of the OTA...continued thanks to the unrEVOked team for their unselfish efforts on our behalf.
JC

If the version that was posted on here for everyone to DL is indeed the true official ota u wont lose root. As unrevokeds brilliant tool still makes even verizons ota its *****. I love it when vzw and htc gets owned by some guys that do this shot for free. All hail unrEVOked lol
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ksizzle9 said:
If the version that was posted on here for everyone to DL is indeed the true official ota u wont lose root. As unrevokeds brilliant tool still makes even verizons ota its *****. I love it when vzw and htc gets owned by some guys that do this shot for free. All hail unrEVOked lol
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+1, I wonder if these guys (and girls?) ever get job offers from htc/vzw or even google. I would if I was one of those companies. Skills can be taught but passion and critical thinking can't.

ksizzle9 said:
If the version that was posted on here for everyone to DL is indeed the true official ota u wont lose root. As unrevokeds brilliant tool still makes even verizons ota its *****. I love it when vzw and htc gets owned by some guys that do this shot for free. All hail unrEVOked lol
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LOL. I like to think that the reason the root still worked is because HTC isn't a douche like Motorola and realized that the hackability of the phone translates to sales of the phone.
Just my opinion...

jermaine151 said:
LOL. I like to think that the reason the root still worked is because HTC isn't a douche like Motorola and realized that the hackability of the phone translates to sales of the phone.
Just my opinion...
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Sorry, no, they would be quite happy to close the hole. And with the leaks posting the plaintext method up for them recently, they will pretty quickly.
To be honest all you most likely need as opposed to these elaborate methods to unroot, is to flash stock recovery back (hint, use reflash with the ruu's recovery.img as the image you select!), and then run the leaked ota as update.zip. But again, I don't see much reason to upgrade until it's official and we determine the changes.

Shadowmite said:
Sorry, no, they would be quite happy to close the hole. And with the leaks posting the plaintext method up for them recently, they will pretty quickly.
To be honest all you most likely need as opposed to these elaborate methods to unroot, is to flash stock recovery back (hint, use reflash with the ruu's recovery.img as the image you select!), and then run the leaked ota as update.zip. But again, I don't see much reason to upgrade until it's official and we determine the changes.
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LOL... what a novel idea. Guess that why you get paid the big bucks.

Not installing the leak here. Installed leak on my eris...once bitten twice shy.
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You will install an alpha aosp rom and not an ota?
Seems funny.

adrynalyne said:
You will install an alpha aosp rom and not an ota?
Seems funny.
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Sorry I meant the leak ota. That's where I got burned before.
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[Q] [Req] Easy method to Root .253....?

Hello all,
I know this has been already asked and some of us have found solution to rooting of .253 FW but it is very complicated and while doing it, someone may brick the device.. So can anyone n specially Doom find a better n easy way of rooting it? just like we had for .350 n .434 FW.. Please see it will be very helpful.. Downloading multiple ftf/zip is confusing n time consuming...

1. No need for ANOTHER thread on this. There are already 2 on the first page.
2. Do you think it is that easy? You just ask and somebody produces an easy way to root the new firmware? If you are a "Software test engineer" as your profile states, then you should have an idea of the difficulties involved.
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kingvortex said:
If you are a "Software test engineer" as your profile states, then you should have an idea of the difficulties involved.
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Software in this case is probably html and engineer in this case probably means testing web pages in multiple different browsers to see if the pages break.

kingvortex said:
1. No need for ANOTHER thread on this. There are already 2 on the first page.
2. Do you think it is that easy? You just ask and somebody produces an easy way to root the new firmware? If you are a "Software test engineer" as your profile states, then you should have an idea of the difficulties involved.
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Yes, I know there must be difficulties involved.. but if u rememeber, DoomLord had acquired the root access even before the device was launched in India.. So if he could do, he certainly can do something like that again.. Hopefully no need to flash multiple FTF/zips, it just increases the confusion..
Nameless One said:
Software in this case is probably html and engineer in this case probably means testing web pages in multiple different browsers to see if the pages break.
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When one does not have full idea, one should not utter nonsense... I have been testing different softwares on different platform including android as well from last 4.5 yrs :silly:. so better get the info first before making any comments.

mandarjoshiin said:
Yes, I know there must be difficulties involved.. but if u rememeber, DoomLord had acquired the root access even before the device was launched in India.. So if he could do, he certainly can do something like that again.. Hopefully no need to flash multiple FTF/zips, it just increases the confusion..
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My point was that this thread is completely pointless and unnecessary. Do you think devs are just sitting around waiting for someone to ask this and they then think "Hey, he's right! I'll get right on it and make a one click solution!"?
It's not that simple. The exploit used to root with a locked bootloader has been patched and there is no guarantee that another can be found.
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kingvortex said:
My point was that this thread is completely pointless and unnecessary. Do you think devs are just sitting around waiting for someone to ask this and they then think "Hey, he's right! I'll get right on it and make a one click solution!"?
It's not that simple. The exploit used to root with a locked bootloader has been patched and there is no guarantee that another can be found.
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Yes, I do understand that it is quite difficult to get another exploit to gain the root access.. still it was just a humble request..

Rather than sit around and "request" (I like to think of it as demanding rather than requesting), you have 2 options:
1. Wait.
2. Find the exploit yourself.

kingvortex said:
My point was that this thread is completely pointless and unnecessary.
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+1, and if you're finding it too "complicated" then you need to READ any instructions again, and get used to it because whenever a new FW is released the existing methods will either work or not and requires a bit of thought, or you need to be patient and wait for new solution, starting new threads isn't going to speed up the process.

pandaball said:
Rather than sit around and "request" (I like to think of it as demanding rather than requesting), you have 2 options:
1. Wait.
2. Find the exploit yourself.
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If u find it as a demand n not a request then it's not my fault n I can't help it..
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mandarjoshiin said:
Hello all,
I know this has been already asked and some of us have found solution to rooting of .253 FW but it is very complicated and while doing it, someone may brick the device.. So can anyone n specially Doom find a better n easy way of rooting it? just like we had for .350 n .434 FW.. Please see it will be very helpful.. Downloading multiple ftf/zip is confusing n time consuming...
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i think we can flash 253 ftf file with flash tool , exclude system.sin this could keep your root access.

You may say he's been a noob or whatever but i've come from samsung devices and i'm having difficulty working out how to do this on the XZ, i understand new software, but even on .434 i only had root as i found recovery installs confusing.
Even with ODIN on samsung you flashed a ROM, then a RECOVERY and you were good to go.
If Flashtool could install recovery i'd probably be ok, but like this guy a one click root would be great as the sony way seems confusing first time round

LBTaylor1984 said:
You may say he's been a noob or whatever but i've come from samsung devices and i'm having difficulty working out how to do this on the XZ, i understand new software, but even on .434 i only had root as i found recovery installs confusing.
Even with ODIN on samsung you flashed a ROM, then a RECOVERY and you were good to go.
If Flashtool could install recovery i'd probably be ok, but like this guy a one click root would be great as the sony way seems confusing first time round
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Then get on with creating it lol.
Like I already said, it's not as simple as just asking for it. Somebody has to actually find a new exploit (no easy task, if it's actually possible) then create a package to perform that exploit.
If the current method is too confusing, then don't use it. This site is supposedly for development anyway, not for holding people's hands
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Cam mods close these kind of threads, it's flooding.

Come on it is very easy to upgrade root the new firmware just follow steps of NUT gave in his post. I did it in a few minutes and didnt lost any data in the process. (only my mods was lost but it is expected )
I cant understand people what more do you want? ıt is like do this than do that and done!

Waiting on a easy way or exploit aswel,i updated and now i see how much i love root,im gettin really annoyee with the ads fo exsample
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pandaball said:
Rather than sit around and "request" (I like to think of it as demanding rather than requesting), you have 2 options:
1. Wait.
2. Find the exploit yourself.
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3. Use a rom/ firmware you can root.

demon2112 said:
Waiting on a easy way or exploit aswel,i updated and now i see how much i love root,im gettin really annoyee with the ads fo exsample
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I returned to .434 for two reason,
1, It's clean
2, give me better battery life/performance
3, it's my to mod, and nobody messed with it.

mandarjoshiin said:
Hello all,
I know this has been already asked and some of us have found solution to rooting of .253 FW but it is very complicated and while doing it, someone may brick the device.. So can anyone n specially Doom find a better n easy way of rooting it? just like we had for .350 n .434 FW.. Please see it will be very helpful.. Downloading multiple ftf/zip is confusing n time consuming...
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NOW YOU CAN FLASH THE NEW FIRMARE AND DOOM MAKE A A NEW TOOLKIT DooMLoRD_Easy-Rooting-Toolkit_v15_perf-event-exploit THAT CAN ROOT 10.1.1.A.1.307 , 10.1.D.0.343 , 10.3.A.0.423 , FLASH ANY FRMWARE OF THIS -- ROOT--INSTALL cwm-locked-bl-XZ-v4 AND YOU ARE GOOD TO GO , IT WORKS PERFECT FOR ME

rooting uvma1 build

hi everyone sorry for the dumb question ived looked everywhere with no difinative answer. I am new to rooting obviously but have been following u guys since hd2 days!!! Never pulled the trigger on flashing but im tired of the wait for an official jb rom by tmo which dont know if it will ever happen. Anyway i have seen all the threads on rooting the tmo note but not sure if the files to root can be done with this build uvma1. All of them are about the previous version uvgl3 or something like that which is the previous one before the update back december- january. Also would u choose cwrm or twrp cor recovery and do i need the latest version of odin or will the 1.4 be ok. Sorry for sounding lost and dumb but have only glanced through most of the process. Worst case scenerio is getting me a new note2!!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2165841
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Here is you might can get the answer that you were asking about it..
Good lucks..thanks

kim621973 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2165841
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Here is you might can get the answer that you were asking about it..
Good lucks..thanks
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Thank you for the link and have read it but someone talks about downloading cwm and superuser and then downloading a uvma1.tar file which there isnt a link to it and the last post explains a diferrent procedure which to me sounds knid of complicated and dont know if i can pull that off as i am not very bright to such thin as u can tell lol. The original way sounded much easier but i guess the uvlg3 file wont work on this build from what i can tell. If that makes sense now im just hesitant to try any of it as i really cant afford to get me a new phone incase something goes wrong. Sorry for sounding dumb but i wish it could be much easier.

You can go to my thread and install my pre rooted version. You can use backup then restore to keep your data.
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As I have mentioned in the "Goodies" forum the only way I could root the build (uvma1) is by downloading the two apps from this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2217840 from method 3 section and flash it using TWRP 2.3. Superuser-3.0.7-efghi-signed.zip did not work, would not even flash.

Please excuse my ignorance

I am a long time android user , mostly Samsung , but other devices as well, so that being said, theres no way without an unlocked bl i can use CWM ? Or any custom recovery? I dont care about warranties as i buy my phones outright,js, but i need to root for sure , get rid of att junkware , also custom roms, but maybe im missing something in the motorola world, how do you root and get custom roms and not have a custom recovery , sure you can have root, but custom roms without recovery?
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Vintage144 said:
I am a long time android user , mostly Samsung , but other devices as well, so that being said, theres no way without an unlocked bl i can use CWM ? Or any custom recovery? I dont care about warranties as i buy my phones outright,js, but i need to root for sure , get rid of att junkware , also custom roms, but maybe im missing something in the motorola world, how do you root and get custom roms and not have a custom recovery , sure you can have root, but custom roms without recovery?
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If you have a GSM Dev Edition you can do all that stuff. I believe that AT&T's and Verizon's Moto X's are locked.
You can use Safestrap, which creates a partition which you can flash custom Roms, but I believe you have to be on Android 4.2.2 to do it. All it does is create a partition so the official android version is always there and you will have less storage to use by using safestrap. There are no custom kernels for Safestrap to my knowledge.
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Rebel908 said:
If you have a GSM Dev Edition you can do all that stuff. I believe that AT&T's and Verizon's Moto X's are locked.
You can use Safestrap, which creates a partition which you can flash custom Roms, but I believe you have to be on Android 4.2.2 to do it. All it does is create a partition so the official android version is always there and you will have less storage to use by using safestrap. There are no custom kernels for Safestrap to my knowledge.
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well I kinda thought that , but at least I can root (right?) , will still have my Note 2 and Note OG to play with , should be interesting, Im sure a leak will come out , I can wait ,especially if the phone is really nice anyway! Maybe Lenovo will have some say over this, after all they are chinese , and dont have to play att bs rules game

Vintage144 said:
well I kinda thought that , but at least I can root (right?) , will still have my Note 2 and Note OG to play with , should be interesting, Im sure a leak will come out , I can wait ,especially if the phone is really nice anyway! Maybe Lenovo will have some say over this, after all they are chinese , and dont have to play att bs rules game
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not even sure what good root does for me, yes I want access in root explorer , and some other things , but not having a recovery is limiting, I really dont like stock recovery but not having any or relying on adb isnt really an option , guess ill just play with it awhile and be like the general population and be clueless for a while!

Vintage144 said:
Im sure a leak will come out , I can wait ,especially if the phone is really nice anyway! Maybe Lenovo will have some say over this, after all they are chinese , and dont have to play att bs rules game
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You'll likely be dead before a bootloader leak comes out. Lenovo being in charge will change nothing. If an OEM wanted their phone on VZW or ATT, they're going to have to play by the carrier rules.
Vintage144 said:
not even sure what good root does for me, yes I want access in root explorer , and some other things , but not having a recovery is limiting, I really dont like stock recovery but not having any or relying on adb isnt really an option , guess ill just play with it awhile and be like the general population and be clueless for a while!
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Why exactly do you need a custom recovery? There aren't any roms worth flashing, not when Moto got it right with the software. There aren't any kernels either. Root gives you access to Xposed which gives you access to GravityBox and native tethering.
If you really need a custom recovery, return or trade your phone for a Dev edition.

I'm not 100% sure but I think you can use J Case's SlapMyMoto for the Moto X's with a locked boatloader. But you'll need to be ready to put in some work because it looks a little confusing with downgrading to 4.2.2 then upgrading back to 4.4. I'm not very experienced with all this stuff either so I could be wrong. Might be worth checking it out though just in case.
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I personally think OP should stick to Samsung devices and/or Nexus devices for now. Most of the dev-support breaks down to those two devices anyways. Also, the fun of Moto X lies in the fact it's really good with Stock ROM by itself with its special features. Installing Custom ROMs removes the primary reasons for even considering Moto X (active notification/touchless controls/motorola assist).

Well part of the fun of Android is being able to customize it, if all i wanted was a locked down OS id get an iphone and be just another flappybird idiot , there wouldnt be a need for XDA , maybe they can open an xda site for non custom stuff , most of you on here who have been using motorola products should do yourself a favor and try samsung or htc and find out what youve been missing ,sure there phones are good stock, but there amazing customized. I dont want to buy a Corvette that i cant customize to my own liking, just saying
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You didn't research before buying....an xda member? ???
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Sorry to inform you, but if you're still in the return period, you should return that phone. AT&T and (regular) Verizon version are bootloader locked, there are no way to unlock them yet, if ever. You should get the GSM Developer edition, you can unlock its bootloader without voiding your warranty, then you can easily use fastboot to flash custom recovery and flash anything.
Also don't let other tells you how you should use the phone, it's Android, use it however you like. However, you should be careful next time to not buy locked down devices like AT&T and Verizon carrier locked phones, it's pretty much a given. Go with international unlocked, developer edition or Google Play edition. Also some phones are more moddable than other. Nexus phones give you unlimited freedom in term of flashing and customizing.
There is no reason to buy a AT&T locked devices if you intended to pay full price for the device, get the unlocked version instead, they will work on AT&T.

eksasol said:
Sorry to inform you, but if you're still in the return period, you should return that phone. AT&T and (regular) Verizon version are bootloader locked, there are no way to unlock them yet, if ever. You should get the GSM Developer edition, you can unlock its bootloader without voiding your warranty, then you can easily use fastboot to flash custom recovery and flash anything.
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This. Get anything other than at&t and Verizon NON Dev....as long as the new phones bands work on your carrier.
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Well I researched a little bit , frankly its gonna be spare anyway , ill probably keep running my OG Note as I prefer it over even my note II , but I will run it you bet on that . One thing is for sure XDA is doomed if they continue locking the boot loader , dev fones wont be worth the fuss , even Win Fones have sone merit
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How will it doom xda? LOL. Lots still to do/learn/mod/flash and play with. Some phones are just more limited than others.
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what modding and flashing is there if the bl is locked ? sure you can put fancy themes up there , but is there? Without recovery (custom recovery) , there is no flashing mods , custom mods, theres really nothing else , those of you who have been stuck in Motorola world (which by they way they made the cpu for apple for many years as well, a main reason why apples sucked too) , should try something by an unknown chinese company because those will be the only androids worth messing with in the years to come, or go get an sIII or Note , start modding and getting a custom recovery and then tell me how great stock is!

CartlandSmith said:
There is the Xposed Framework and its modules. It is very powerful and only requires root, not an unlocked bootloader.
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xposed is cool , but if something goes wrong? theres no recovery !

Vintage144 said:
xposed is cool , but if something goes wrong? theres no recovery !
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Then get a different phone? Not sure what you want anyone to say? ???
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just saying , but whatever , doesnt really matter , its the way of the world , steve jobs has won , his dream was making followers and apparently he's won!

K....you're being kinda ridiculous.....you bought a phone you can't unlock. Basically an iPhone. Sorry, but that doesn't reflect on all android phones. Especially ones you can unlock and do anything under the sun too.
Sell your phone. For you and your expectations .....you made the wrong choice. Plain and simple. Its not android, Google, or Motorola's fault.
Enough doom dude.
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CartlandSmith said:
I haven't read about people bricking their phones using Xposed modules.
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You can potentially mess something up and cause the phone to boot loop.

well ill be running exposed , its not doom and gloom , if your happy with stock why bother even coming here , xda is customizing not running stock but whatever ill run mine til it bricks at least it will be a challenge
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