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Putting in the SIM card on the fly

Just got my Kaiser, lovely boxing, lovely phone but I've had a little unpleasant surprise - I've entered SIM card while phone was already on. In result Kaiser have just crashed - I mean switched off itself. Anyone else noticed similar trouble? Does it mean there is still need to switch the phone off before changing SIMs?
Anyway, going to explore Kaiser.

its not a crash, its just what it does from what I have read, so i guess its just not "hot swapable"

y2whisper said:
its not a crash, its just what it does from what I have read, so i guess its just not "hot swapable"
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It seems like - switching off occurs in the exact moment of unlocking SIM card cover... Well, shame - SIM hotswapping would be really cool

SIM card hot swapping is really bad. I work at a Operator and you don't want to know what kind of network trouble this can bring.
I've also had the Kaiser for a couple weeks now, and yes, it is supposed to shut down when you open the SIM cover. It's just for your own protection, you can even break your SIM if you remove it while the device is on (and, has a electric current flowing to the SIM).

thats what many design work are done to prevent users from doing things dangerously. If you've noticed, that all phones SIM cards are hidden under the battery and/or blocked by the battery in one way or the other. That's to force user to shut down the phone before doing anything with it. I'm sure that's for the protection of the SIM and/or not making a mess on the telco system, which may heavily affect the phones popularity

Not true. Another HTC handset with easy access to SIM card slot locatyed under slide out keyboard:
HTC VOX
also:
HTC TOUCH - side access to SIM card
hanmin said:
thats what many design work are done to prevent users from doing things dangerously. If you've noticed, that all phones SIM cards are hidden under the battery and/or blocked by the battery in one way or the other. That's to force user to shut down the phone before doing anything with it. I'm sure that's for the protection of the SIM and/or not making a mess on the telco system, which may heavily affect the phones popularity
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eva_d said:
Just got my Kaiser, lovely boxing, lovely phone but I've had a little unpleasant surprise - I've entered SIM card while phone was already on. In result Kaiser have just crashed - I mean switched off itself. Anyone else noticed similar trouble? Does it mean there is still need to switch the phone off before changing SIMs?
Anyway, going to explore Kaiser.
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It's actually in the manual. Page 24 section 1.2
Always turn off your device before installing/replacing the USIM/SIM card and battery.
Cheers.

SecureGSM said:
Not true. Another HTC handset with easy access to SIM card slot locatyed under slide out keyboard:
HTC VOX
also:
HTC TOUCH - side access to SIM card
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Interesting.. I'd guess I'm at the old age. I did a bit of research, it seems that THERE ARE phones out there that can have hot-swap SIM. This is news. From Nokia N93 review
The hot-swap SIM slot is a very good solution, especially for users having more than one SIM. It allows you to exchange SIM cards without the necessity to switch off the phone and remove the battery. It is enough to switch phone in offline mode while changing card. At least it should work and it works on N90 just fine but on N93 with the current firmware version it is impossible to remove the SIM card even in offline mode because it causes prompt freezing.
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Redah said:
SIM card hot swapping is really bad. I work at a Operator and you don't want to know what kind of network trouble this can bring.
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Such as? Hotswapping SIM card from network's point of view looks exactly the same as removing battery without actually switching off the phone, as many people do. In such case network get no notification (IMSI detach) at all about switch off, and the only 'trouble' is network still 'thinks' that user is reachable until the next PLU (Periodic Location Update) or call attempt..
Well explained article on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSI_detach
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I've also had the Kaiser for a couple weeks now, and yes, it is supposed to shut down when you open the SIM cover. It's just for your own protection, you can even break your SIM if you remove it while the device is on (and, has a electric current flowing to the SIM).
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That's reasonable explanation. I have never got SIM card damaged, but I'd rather prefer not to experience it in future. In fact, my the very first SIM card I have *ever* had is already over 8 years old and still works perfect.

Kaiser would not load with a SIM card in

Hi there.
I've got this Kaiser that doesn't load when the SIM is inserted.
It works perfectly without the SIM. Also when the device is on and i stick the sim card it shuts down.
Its not on warranty or anything, also aint mine, but if i fix it i get to keep it(i hope) so please help if u know how to.

azik said:
I've got this Kaiser that doesn't load when the SIM is inserted.
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Have you tried a different SIM card?
azik said:
Also when the device is on and i stick the sim card it shuts down.
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Thats normal. The SIM card should be inserted/removed with the device off.

PsyOpWarlord said:
Have you tried a different SIM card?
Thats normal. The SIM card should be inserted/removed with the device off.
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Just did it again to make sure. Completely powered off the device by removing the battery, inserted the SIM, turned it on. When it got the green Windows Mobile screen it just died.
Also tried it with a different SIM from a different operator

Give more info about your device such ROM, radio, SIM unlocked or no, HardSPL, etc...

azik said:
Just did it again to make sure. Completely powered off the device by removing the battery, inserted the SIM, turned it on. When it got the green Windows Mobile screen it just died.
Also tried it with a different SIM from a different operator
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I am purely going on a guess here. Is the phone stolen or did someone just find it? Sounds to me like the SIM has been locked as well as the IMEI by the original service provider. If you insert the SIM card while it is powered off and then power it on and it doesn't boot bast the windows screen and with the SIM card out, it boots normally, sounds like a service lockdown on a phone reported stolen or lost.

svcglobal said:
Give more info about your device such ROM, radio, SIM unlocked or no, HardSPL, etc...
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ROM: dutty's WM6.1 (the lat one from here)
radio version: 1.65.14.06
protocol 25.81.40.02W
I have also HardSPLed it. It was doing the same with factory settings and it does the same after i updated everything to the most recent version.

P1Tater said:
I am purely going on a guess here. Is the phone stolen or did someone just find it? Sounds to me like the SIM has been locked as well as the IMEI by the original service provider. If you insert the SIM card while it is powered off and then power it on and it doesn't boot bast the windows screen and with the SIM card out, it boots normally, sounds like a service lockdown on a phone reported stolen or lost.
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The unit was bought in a bulk by local British Petroleum (BP) office, so the stolen or found unit version doesn’t really suit the case and nobody is really gonna deal with warranty because of one device.
Also it shuts itself down very quickly. Normally the green screen lasts about 15 seconds or so. With a SIM card in it wouldn’t even last 3 secs, therefore it doesn’t even get connected to the network (I think) and shuts itself down.. Also if the IMEI is blacklisted I don’t think the network has the ability to shut down the device, you just won’t be able to make or receive calls.

azik said:
ROM: dutty's WM6.1 (the lat one from here)
radio version: 1.65.14.06
protocol 25.81.40.02W
I have also HardSPLed it. It was doing the same with factory settings and it does the same after i updated everything to the most recent version.
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Are you absolutely sure that the SIM is being inserted correctly? Look at the drawn on the SIM's lock door.

svcglobal said:
Are you absolutely sure that the SIM is being inserted correctly? Look at the drawn on the SIM's lock door.
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I was hoping that it would have been something simple like that. but no, i was dealing too much with these HTC's. I will post a video of what it does later on today.

here's the video

azik said:
here's the video
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If you leave the sim card out does it boot normally?

OK right after i made the video i left it on charge for couple of hours. i picked it up, turned it on and it booted up. it didnt boot with a sim card for a week and now it does. (i sound like a dumb blonde now)
HOWEVER
it wouldnt register on the network. it doesnt matter wheather it is automatic or manual it just doesnt get connected. i can do a manual search and see the list of networks but when i select my provider it doesnt connect. no probs with the network as i use it in my Herald.

UPDATE
Overhere we have two main mobile operators. One is Bakcell another one is Azercell.
What happens now is that it works fine with Bakcell chips but doesnt with Azercell.
Both of the operators arent that advanced yet to have some sort of restrictions etc to ban the handset or whatever. They dont even have 3G so there.
So, there i am. Stuck with an operator i do not need anyways(cuz the company is not paying for it) What could be a possible solution?

Interesting, any chance to get another Azercell SIM, just for be sure that is really the network?
So many (as you said) blonde mistakes, so double check every test.

svcglobal said:
Interesting, any chance to get another Azercell SIM, just for be sure that is really the network?
So many (as you said) blonde mistakes, so double check every test.
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i did check it with two Azercell SIMs. i also have a UK T Mobile SIM, which wudnt register on Azercell but works on Bakcell.

Do you guys think a radio downgrade would solve this issue ?

Chang Sim card, back to original Sim

i changed my Sim card to one I use in the UK and then put back in my original Sim card and now the phone tells me there is no Sim card in the phone but you can still make an emergecy Call
I cant find any thing in settings to configure or change Sim
Or is there somthing wrong with my phone.

I would contact your provider. Sounds like something wrong with the SIM.

Bruce Inman said:
I would contact your provider. Sounds like something wrong with the SIM.
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The Sim in ?? and the other are both working in another phone.
My TD2 is an expensive ornament ATM

porridge said:
The Sim in ?? and the other are both working in another phone.
My TD2 is an expensive ornament ATM
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You may have to hard reset to get it to regognize your SIM again.
Also try to get to SIM manager with the one that doesn't work and see if you can access it that way.

Bruce Inman said:
You may have to hard reset to get it to regognize your SIM again.
Also try to get to SIM manager with the one that doesn't work and see if you can access it that way.
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Ok I am going to appoligies for waisting your time
And admit to being an idiot, apparently it helps if you insert the sim card in the right direction.

Yes, that usually helps!
Glad you fixed it.

Suddenly lost SIM visibility...?

I'm running the latest Cyanogen 9 Nightly. While texting I set my phone down and it suddenly lost signal.
So far I've tried re-flashing, wiping data, restoring older backup, other SIM cards and always with the same result. "NO SIM CARD"
I've never used any micro-SIM adapter or anything like that, so I doubt the pins are damaged...
Could there have suddenly been an EFS-related issue?
First time I've encountered this, so...any thoughts...?

I had this issue a few times when changing SIM cards,
I eventually solved it by having to "Wedge" one of my SIM cards in for it to be picked up, the other however works without issue so I suspect I have a faulty card due to the time it's spent in my wallet..

I'll try to re-flash to stock GB.
I have absolutely nothing showing up in my APN menu.
I'll try configuring it manually from someone else using the same provider...
Bad timing....really bad...

eug3n91 said:
I'll try to re-flash to stock GB.
I have absolutely nothing showing up in my APN menu.
I'll try configuring it manually from someone else using the same provider...
Bad timing....really bad...
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You should be able to check your EFS folder, But I think it's unlikely if it just "Happened" a while after the flash..

CJSlim79 said:
You should be able to check your EFS folder, But I think it's unlikely if it just "Happened" a while after the flash..
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It happened right after sending a couple of texts...it just DIED...
With stock GB still doesn't recognise any SIM card...

Try inserting sim other way around.
Or check if lockscreen is working at all. You might have to, in ics do some special stuff.
Go to settings, security and check if you can lock the sim and change pin. Just try that to check if lockscreen functionality is down. If it is, check my threads, in statistics section in profile, I might have experienced something similar.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1649348
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baz77 said:
Try inserting sim other way around.
Or check if lockscreen is working at all. You might have to, in ics do some special stuff.
Go to settings, security and check if you can lock the sim and change pin. Just try that to check if lockscreen functionality is down. If it is, check my threads, in statistics section in profile, I might have experienced something similar.
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SIM security doesn't work. It's as if the SIM card isn't even there...

Well, its easy to dammage connectors, check if they are bent.
If not and simcard inserted right way try the fix in the thread I posted anyway. You do need to be rooted for that.
Also check if efs is still there and emei is correct. Dial *#06#* for that.
If after reboot it still doesnt work, and you have tried other roms. I'd suggest going back to stock condition unrooted and call upon warrentee. Seems to be special hardware issue.
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baz77 said:
Well, its easy to dammage connectors, check if they are bent.
If not and simcard inserted right way try the fix in the thread I posted anyway. You do need to be rooted for that.
Also check if efs is still there and emei is correct. Dial *#06#* for that.
If after reboot it still doesnt work, and you have tried other roms. I'd suggest going back to stock condition unrooted and call upon warrentee. Seems to be special hardware issue.
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I'll do just that now, yeah...thanks.

youre welcome,
I think I got all points there. If another user knows anything additionally that I missed please share
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I think its efs related problem
Do you still have the imei number

I wanted to add a me too here, under the same circumstances. I have not yet flashed to a stock ROM yet, but will try. I doubt I have the warranty option. Hope to find a positive solution.
Using CM9 based paranoid Android.

I had the same problem when I got my note thought it was a faulty phone but took it to my local Vodafone store and it was the sim card itself the chip had worn away and was not making a connection...the sim card was only two years old so if its an old sim that good be ur problem and not the phone itself...
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I forgot to add that I can rule out my SIM card as I have several phones to test on. In my mind, this leaves software and hardware.
Out of curiosity, are the radios (basebands?) flashed for each new ROM, or is it just for a major upgrade?

I think I've discovered my issue at least. I am nearly certain that it is related to heat. Web browsing while charging, playing resource heavy games, using gps in a hot car will cause the radio to fail. If I restart, radio is still gone as long as the phone is still hot. Allow it to cool naturally, or put it in the refrigerator for a short while, and radio is back.
I think my goal now must be to find the coolest kernel / ROM combo while I am using this as a phone. Perhaps motivation for the Note 2?

undrwater said:
I forgot to add that I can rule out my SIM card as I have several phones to test on. In my mind, this leaves software and hardware.
Out of curiosity, are the radios (basebands?) flashed for each new ROM, or is it just for a major upgrade?
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I was hasty...the issue WAS my SIM card. My Skyrocket was probably much less sensitive to the corruption than the Note.

how to use Droid Bionic with out being hooked up to service

I've been trying to use my spare Droid Bionic without my sims card in it and it will not work I would really like for somebody to tell me how to get this thing to work without a SIM card in it

kkemp31 said:
I've been trying to use my spare Droid Bionic without my sims card in it and it will not work I would really like for somebody to tell me how to get this thing to work without a SIM card in it
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Only thing I've been able to do is put the SIM card in it, put it in airplane mode immediately so it doesn't try to connect, and install a ROM not based on Blur.

kkemp31 said:
I've been trying to use my spare Droid Bionic without my sims card in it and it will not work I would really like for somebody to tell me how to get this thing to work without a SIM card in it
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It works... I just did this over the weekend. I did an FDR, formatted SD from settings menu, took SIM out. When you do your initial boot up, connect it to your wifi, and press the 4 corners of the screen to bypass the initial setup... From there, it was smooth sailing... I did google how to bypass the setup screen, because the 4 corners are different on ICS than they were on GB. Just letting you know... the bottom 2 are a little higher up. You have to watch the video for correct finger placement.