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[Q] Short question about the bootloader

Hi guys!
I'm about to buy a Nexus One on Ebay but I have a short question to you guys
Since the seller has unlocked the bootloader to install custom ROMs, he restored the phone's recovery and OS to stock Google's stuff.
My question is: when Google will release 2.3 ( Gingerbread ) OTA update, is my phone going to get it like anyone else if my bootloader is unlocked?
I would really appreciate your help guys!
Thanks a lot!
mytey0

Unlocked bootloader will not effect the phones ability to receive and install OTAs.
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Are you sure my friend? I really want to be sure about receiving official OTA updates
Also, is it possible to lock the bootloader like if it was a brand new phone?
Thanks again guys!

I'm 100% certain.
My bootloader has been unlocked for quite a while, and yet recently I returned to an older stock image and received an OTA update as soon as I rebooted...
The bootloader cannot be re-locked, unless you have one of the very few "holiday" versions of the phone...
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So when 2.3 Gingerbread will be released as an OTA update, my Nexus One will get it at the same time?

If everything else is stock, yes, you'll be fine. If you do have any problems, you can always come back and deal with them then...
May as well enjoy your phone, and perhaps read some more of the forum while you're waiting for the update?
Welcome aboard! xD
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There are people working on relocking the bootloader, but it's likely going to take a while to achieve

yes your phone will get the official update just fine. but i promise you, bet 100 bucks that with that unlocked bootloader, you will download the next update on your own long before google officially pushes it to your phone. you wont be able to wait. unlocked bootloader is the way to go...

Incredible S Owners in the us READ PLEASE!

Ok I called HTC U.S. today about if we here are going to get the OTA update and I was told no. We need to see how many of us have this phone and have been able to downgrade with the gold card or an method to get 2.3.3 on their phone.
List what model phone you have and if it is S-on or S-off. Because if someone can get there phone working i think everyone else would like to know how it was done.
Thanks
S710E
S-on

If you are waiting for the gingerbread OTA, there is a thread that gives you step by step instructions to upgrade from froyo to gingerbread by flashing your phone with the latest Gingerbread OTA. The method works for phones that are S-On.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1069646
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@KROMO50
I tried every possible combination on Incredible S on AT&T (Bell branded S-on sim unlocked version)
goldcard + PG32IMG.zip = Device ID error (tried every gingerbread version).
also tried RUU virgin wwe ... etc. gives Model ID error.
Probably I'm gonna end up buying the XTC clip.

ocakar said:
@KROMO50
I tried every possible combination on Incredible S on AT&T (Bell branded S-on sim unlocked version)
goldcard + PG32IMG.zip = Device ID error (tried every gingerbread version).
also tried RUU virgin wwe ... etc. gives Model ID error.
Probably I'm gonna end up buying the XTC clip.
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For now, even the XTC Clip isn't able to S-OFF the Bell Incredible S. I tried it myself.
Raskal should post an update in about a month that should resolve this.

I am a beta tester xtc is aware of the problem we have given build.prop to him solution will come soon
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Well I hope soon new update should solve it
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i understand you guys are trying to get S-Off for the Bell IS, but i'd like to know if any of you have tried the GingerBreak 1.2 APK to obtain root. i'm contemplating the Bell IS, but would prefer that it at least be rootable. thanks in advance for your reply.

cortez.i said:
i understand you guys are trying to get S-Off for the Bell IS, but i'd like to know if any of you have tried the GingerBreak 1.2 APK to obtain root. i'm contemplating the Bell IS, but would prefer that it at least be rootable. thanks in advance for your reply.
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You can't temp root any Gingerbread Sense ROM on any phone as the exploit makes the phone highly unstable until you reboot, at which point you lose it unless you are S-OFF

I don't get it if htc don't want to update the phone to 2.3 then way the f###k don't they just unlock the f%%%ing boot loader this is what piss me off

codaffy said:
I don't get it if htc don't want to update the phone to 2.3 then way the f###k don't they just unlock the f%%%ing boot loader this is what piss me off
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You do realize updates have to be approved by the carriers right?

Definitely the worst thing about the android ecosystem in the USA. In europe it's a lot better in this regard. You buy a phone outright and you are serviced directly by the manufacturer. No dumb carrier bullcrap gets in the way. Hence why the european Galaxy S updates were so quick and frequent, whereas in the USA people are still waiting got froyo or gingerbread.
If you're going to get a phone with a locked bootloader, like htc, always get a european unbranded model. It's way better for updates.
Doesn't help the people here though. Seems htc is a far different beast there than in europe. Kinda heartless really. Especially since the software is there. It just needs "testing". Which quite frankly is ridiculous, since it's already tested and known to work.

But sometimes it is better with carrier's blessing. For example, Droid got efficient and quality Android update while Milestone was left in the dark. Update is slow and buggy...
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The problem I have the Incr. S with no carrier in the US bc it is a WWorld phone. But yes why the hell is the phone locked.

I'm actually thinking of returning this phone and sticking with my Droid 2 Global. I'm worried about the lack of development and that we may not see a solution for s-off for this device (at least without forking over a lot of cash for an XTC, which as of yet doesn't even work for the Inc2).

[Q] S-off

Do I unlock my bootloader using HTC.com website or should I wait for a developer to create a S-Off method? do we really need S-Off?

mikevillarroel said:
Do I unlock my bootloader using HTC.com website or should I wait for a developer to create a S-Off method? do we really need S-Off?
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S-Off doesn't really have much use on this phone. Since it's Qualcomm, kernels can be flashed in recovery anyway, and the only real reason for S-Off would be to downgrade to previous firmwares.

MacHackz said:
S-Off doesn't really have much use on this phone. Since it's Qualcomm, kernels can be flashed in recovery anyway, and the only real reason for S-Off would be to downgrade to previous firmwares.
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so if I use HTC.com to unlock it, I will be able to flash roms and stuff from recovery as normally I do with my HTC 4G LTE ?(been doing it with the EVO and EVO 3D also)

i think the s-off method is preferable above HTCdev.
Warranty wise that is.
if you are s-off you won't be registered @ HTC for having unlocked your bootloader and thus reduced your warranty...

mikevillarroel said:
so if I use HTC.com to unlock it, I will be able to flash roms and stuff from recovery as normally I do with my HTC 4G LTE ?(been doing it with the EVO and EVO 3D also)
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what if you don't want htc to know that you are rooting your phone for warranty purposes
any way of doing this? anyone working on s-off?

No idea if the phone has had a chance to reach anyone outside of the EU (and slow roll out even over here.)
I'm guessing that when the phone is in the hands of a lot more people the race will be on to be the 1st to deliver s-off.
Until there's a desperate need for me to flash an updated radio or maybe a bootloader I don't appear to need it though.
Sent from my Tricked out 2.4.0 HTC One via xda-developers application

mox123 said:
what if you don't want htc to know that you are rooting your phone for warranty purposes
any way of doing this? anyone working on s-off?
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Until there has been worldwide release of the phone I doubt anybody will of even started work on it. I'd assume we might heard word of it about June time? Regarding people working on it that is.
Sent from my HTC Incredible S using Tapatalk 2

[Q] Any reason to re-lock & unroot, plus couple of noob questions

Hi - so I recently installed AR HD 11.5, but I'm wondering now that I've done that is there any compelling reason to re-lock the bootloader? What about un-rooting... any reason to do that after I've done what I needed to whilst being rooted?
Finally, a couple of noobish questions... 1) what's the difference between unlocking the bootloader & S-ON/S-OFF? I guess I was thinking they were one and the same thing, but some of the reading I've done imply they are in fact different things. If someone could please provide a brief explanation I would appreciate it. 2) why are some people concerned about being able to flash the latest OTA update if they have a custom ROM installed? I mean, won't any custom ROM pretty quickly catch up or even surpass the latest available OTA update? For example, that's one of the reasons I chose to go with AR HD because it's already using 4.2.2 instead of 4.1.2 that came with my phone.
Thanks in advance

Drvylyne said:
Hi - so I recently installed AR HD 11.5, but I'm wondering now that I've done that is there any compelling reason to re-lock the bootloader? What about un-rooting... any reason to do that after I've done what I needed to whilst being rooted?
Finally, a couple of noobish questions... 1) what's the difference between unlocking the bootloader & S-ON/S-OFF? I guess I was thinking they were one and the same thing, but some of the reading I've done imply they are in fact different things. If someone could please provide a brief explanation I would appreciate it. 2) why are some people concerned about being able to flash the latest OTA update if they have a custom ROM installed? I mean, won't any custom ROM pretty quickly catch up or even surpass the latest available OTA update? For example, that's one of the reasons I chose to go with AR HD because it's already using 4.2.2 instead of 4.1.2 that came with my phone.
Thanks in advance
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1. sOFF permits various additional commands like fastboot flash etc.
In short you get even more freedom
Search on google :- ''why do we need to sOFF'' there is a link on ARHD blog that explains this in detail
2. The answer to your 2nd question is very simple.
To get back to full stock- as if you havent done anything to it(no root sOFF unlock etc.) So as to gain warrenty
Hit thanks if i helped you
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prunzzz said:
1. sOFF permits various additional commands like fastboot flash etc.
In short you get even more freedom
Search on google :- ''why do we need to sOFF'' there is a link on ARHD blog that explains this in detail
2. The answer to your 2nd question is very simple.
To get back to full stock- as if you havent done anything to it(no root sOFF unlock etc.) So as to gain warrenty
Hit thanks if i helped you
Sent from my HTC One using xda app-developers app
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I did some more reading on S-Off as you suggested and it doesn't sound necessary or really worthwhile to me. As long as I can put a custom ROM on, as I've already done, then I don't see the need for S-Off as it sounds like it's just inviting trouble if you don't know what you're doing (which I admittedly don't).
Also, I don't see why anyone would ever want to go back to full stock. I read that even if you unlock and put a custom ROM on your phone that it is still covered under warranty and that it's up to the manufacturer and/or carrier to prove that the act of doing one of those things is what actually caused the phone to malfunction thus requiring warranty repair.

Drvylyne said:
I did some more reading on S-Off as you suggested and it doesn't sound necessary or really worthwhile to me. As long as I can put a custom ROM on, as I've already done, then I don't see the need for S-Off as it sounds like it's just inviting trouble if you don't know what you're doing (which I admittedly don't).
Also, I don't see why anyone would ever want to go back to full stock. I read that even if you unlock and put a custom ROM on your phone that it is still covered under warranty and that it's up to the manufacturer and/or carrier to prove that the act of doing one of those things is what actually caused the phone to malfunction thus requiring warranty repair.
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90% of people have no need for s off...since HTC let us install kernels via recovery ...now barely any people need s off... I think in Europe it doesn't matter if you unlocked and etc..you're still covered... Here in the states ...they can be a holes

I used S-Off to convert my AT&T One software to Developer edition software, then returned it to S-On. Now running totally stock developer version software, eliminates AT&T bloat and hoping I get updates a bit sooner than I would have with AT&T version.

With S-OFF you can flash kernels from the phone. S-ON you would have to do it maunally via fastboot.
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Drvylyne said:
I did some more reading on S-Off as you suggested and it doesn't sound necessary or really worthwhile to me. As long as I can put a custom ROM on, as I've already done, then I don't see the need for S-Off as it sounds like it's just inviting trouble if you don't know what you're doing (which I admittedly don't).
Also, I don't see why anyone would ever want to go back to full stock. I read that even if you unlock and put a custom ROM on your phone that it is still covered under warranty and that it's up to the manufacturer and/or carrier to prove that the act of doing one of those things is what actually caused the phone to malfunction thus requiring warranty repair.
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So you got the answer of your 1st question
Now the answer for 2nd one is very simple, though what you said about warrenty is right,
But still many times its always better to have a full stock for warrenty or replacement (by "better" i mean you dont have to prove anything to the service center)
Hit THANKS if i helped you
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squabbi said:
With S-OFF you can flash kernels from the phone. S-ON you would have to do it maunally via fastboot.
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Wrong I believe with updated HTC dev for the one...HTC unlocked that for us

Basically don't S off if you don't know what it does. It bypasses security checks and allows access to all phone partitions that if applyed wrong could brick your phone. Just flashing roms doesn't require s off
Example of mistake
Fastboot flash hboot recovery.img
This would brick your phone if you had s off, s on would deny write access!!
IF YOUR recive HELP FROM SOMEONE BE GRATEFUL AND HIT THANKS!!!
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a box of kittens said:
Wrong I believe with updated HTC dev for the one...HTC unlocked that for us
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Oh sorry. I was basing that off the One X. I S-OFF'd my One because I thought that without S-OFF I couldn't flash a kernel.
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[Q] t-mobile update

Hello community
I got this amazing phone today. Is unlocked and now I am using with three mobile. my question is as follow:
I know that the phone must have been routed as I can see the superuser logo. Does it means that if i run the t-mobile update it will be locked again?
I am wondering if the seller (who does not reply) just sent me an unlocked t-mobile note 4 and i would be able to run the update without problem.
any one could help me please?

If you update you should just loose root. You won't loose unlock.
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charlie1voyvoy said:
Hello community
I got this amazing phone today. Is unlocked and now I am using with three mobile. my question is as follow:
I know that the phone must have been routed as I can see the superuser logo. Does it means that if i run the t-mobile update it will be locked again?
I am wondering if the seller (who does not reply) just sent me an unlocked t-mobile note 4 and i would be able to run the update without problem.
any one could help me please?
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If your or anyone's phone regardless of make and model
is rooted you will not be able to get the OTA update at all
unless you first un-root the phone and make sure that you
are using the official stock firmware.
The OTA updater will let you know if you are running an
un-official operating system. (like any custom roms).
However updating firmware with Odin or OTA won't re-lock the phone.
Good luck!