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What is the Nexus One Warranty worth?

I am an Android Developer, but so far I've avoided rooting my phone or trying custom kernels, but lately I get the feeling I could learn so much more by really getting behind the curtain so to speak. I keep reading that if you root the phone you may void your warranty and no longer get over the air updates.
I'm on AT&T an paid full price for my Nexus One. I also got the phone engraved so I'm wondering what value if any the warranty actually has. Is it worth mucking around with custom kernels on the Nexus one, or should I get a cheaper dev phone like the G1 ?
Looking forward to hearing advice from other developers and what you've learned versus the risks involved.
Oh, Do you still get OTA updates as well?
I'm interested in hearing from people who decided the warranty was or was not work the risk. Looks pretty easy from what I can see.
Thanks all.

Just root it without unlocking the bootloader and you're good to go

J.L.C. said:
Just root it without unlocking the bootloader and you're good to go
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^this
root is fun and even better you can keep your warranty

Does using the technique of not unlocking the bootloader also mean you can run custom ROMs and/or recoveries? Or just gain root access to the stock ROM?

flybyme said:
^this
root is fun and even better you can keep your warranty
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You CAN root your Nexus One without losing your warrenty.
I had my bootloader Unlocked, then i got a issue with mounting SD cards.
I sent the phone to HTC Repair center and just got it back today with the issues gone and Bootloader locked
Unlocking your Nexus One bootloader does void your warrenty with HTC, but if you experience hardware issues, they dont care if you unlocked your bootloader !!
By unlocking your Bootloader you can put whatever ROM on your phone you like, doesn't have to be stock
About the OTA's.
Yes you will get them if you run Stock ROM's.
You will not be able to install them however since you are not using a stock recovery image.

Wow, didn't know they didn't care about unlocked bootloader as long as your problem is in hardware. My GPS doesn't work at all and I'd like to send in my phone for repairs but the bootloader is unlocked.How long did it take for you to get your phone back?
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WebghostDK said:
You CAN root your Nexus One without losing your warrenty.
I had my bootloader Unlocked, then i got a issue with mounting SD cards.
I sent the phone to HTC Repair center and just got it back today with the issues gone and Bootloader locked
Unlocking your Nexus One bootloader does void your warrenty with HTC, but if you experience hardware issues, they dont care if you unlocked your bootloader !!
By unlocking your Bootloader you can put whatever ROM on your phone you like, doesn't have to be stock
About the OTA's.
Yes you will get them if you run Stock ROM's.
You will not be able to install them however since you are not using a stock recovery image.
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See this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=718141
they arent always so nice haha

cmcm said:
Wow, didn't know they didn't care about unlocked bootloader as long as your problem is in hardware. My GPS doesn't work at all and I'd like to send in my phone for repairs but the bootloader is unlocked.How long did it take for you to get your phone back?
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I sent my phone from Denmark to UK, it took 1½ week quite fast

Can you point me to a link with instructions on how to do this?
I've found a few videos and articles that say this can be done, but reading to the end they all say seem to be closed or say not to do it.
Is it still possible to root the phone without unlocking the bootloader? I've searched google, but keep coming up with dead ends.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=710842

[Q] Debrand my Three branded HTC one?

I just got the HTC one on Three and I'd like to know if it's possible to flash the unbranded ROM so that I can get access to the 1.9 update without having to wait for three to push it to me?
Thanks all

I also want this. I am new to Android and after seeing the 3 splashscreen, bloatware and having to wait for the update, I am getting a tad pissed off for not getting a factory unlocked version.
I found the stock ROM, my question is: If I flash it to it, will I be able to use OTA updates directly from HTC and in general will my HTC act like an unbranded one?

I believe that to permit unbranding, that would also allow ota update from HTC rather than ota from your carrier 3 you would need to enable super cid, which cannot be set on an S ON phone.
Majority of HTC phone are supplied with S ON.
So if like most people your phone isn't S OFF then you can't achieve permanent unbranded status.
All is not lost though, if you want a nearly stock version that is the most recent base without waiting for 3 then you can install a custom Rom like ARHD.
I bought my 3 branded phone on 28 March 2013, and within days had unlocked, rooted and Installed ARHD.
Am now on ARHD v8.0 based on the latest software base: 1.29.401.16
The only downside is you have to manually update, that is to say you won't receive ota update .
See this guide for full details
[GUIDE] Complete Flashing Guide | Rooting | Going Back To Stock | 05.05.2013
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=41076144
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paul_59 said:
I believe that to permit unbranding, that would also allow ota update from HTC rather than ota from your carrier 3 you would need to enable super cid, which cannot be set on an S on phone.
Majority of HTC phone are supplied with S on.
So if like most people your phone isn't S off then you can't achieve permanent unbranded status.
All is not lost though, if you want a nearly stock version that is the most recent base without waiting for 3 then you can install a custom Rom like ARHD.
I bought my 3 branded phone on 28 March 2013, and within days had unlocked, rooted and Installed ARHD.
Am now on ARHD v8.0 based on 1.29.401.16
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Hmm thanks for the reply. When you "rebranded" it, did you get it unlock as well? or did you buy a code online?

Atheo said:
Hmm thanks for the reply. When you "rebranded" it, did you get it unlock as well? or did you buy a code online?
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The procedure I followed is to unlock bootloader via htcdev website. I don't believe This process unlocks your phone to allow a non 3 SIM to be used. I haven't tested this, but believe that carrier unlock requires a different process, I think you can obtain this only via paid unlock that I've read costs about £10 to £15
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paul_59 said:
The procedure I followed is to unlock bootloader via htcdev website. I don't believe This process unlocks your phone to allow a non 3 SIM to be used. I haven't tested this, but believe that carrier unlock requires a different process, I think you can obtain this only via paid unlock that I've read costs about £10 to £15
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Ahh thanks! The most important bit for me at the moment to get the splash screen and OTAs (i.e. 2.29) working... I would prefer stock ROM however...

Fantastic! Thank you for the info i'll get onto that tomorrow
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[Q] Any reason to re-lock & unroot, plus couple of noob questions

Hi - so I recently installed AR HD 11.5, but I'm wondering now that I've done that is there any compelling reason to re-lock the bootloader? What about un-rooting... any reason to do that after I've done what I needed to whilst being rooted?
Finally, a couple of noobish questions... 1) what's the difference between unlocking the bootloader & S-ON/S-OFF? I guess I was thinking they were one and the same thing, but some of the reading I've done imply they are in fact different things. If someone could please provide a brief explanation I would appreciate it. 2) why are some people concerned about being able to flash the latest OTA update if they have a custom ROM installed? I mean, won't any custom ROM pretty quickly catch up or even surpass the latest available OTA update? For example, that's one of the reasons I chose to go with AR HD because it's already using 4.2.2 instead of 4.1.2 that came with my phone.
Thanks in advance

Drvylyne said:
Hi - so I recently installed AR HD 11.5, but I'm wondering now that I've done that is there any compelling reason to re-lock the bootloader? What about un-rooting... any reason to do that after I've done what I needed to whilst being rooted?
Finally, a couple of noobish questions... 1) what's the difference between unlocking the bootloader & S-ON/S-OFF? I guess I was thinking they were one and the same thing, but some of the reading I've done imply they are in fact different things. If someone could please provide a brief explanation I would appreciate it. 2) why are some people concerned about being able to flash the latest OTA update if they have a custom ROM installed? I mean, won't any custom ROM pretty quickly catch up or even surpass the latest available OTA update? For example, that's one of the reasons I chose to go with AR HD because it's already using 4.2.2 instead of 4.1.2 that came with my phone.
Thanks in advance
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1. sOFF permits various additional commands like fastboot flash etc.
In short you get even more freedom
Search on google :- ''why do we need to sOFF'' there is a link on ARHD blog that explains this in detail
2. The answer to your 2nd question is very simple.
To get back to full stock- as if you havent done anything to it(no root sOFF unlock etc.) So as to gain warrenty
Hit thanks if i helped you
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prunzzz said:
1. sOFF permits various additional commands like fastboot flash etc.
In short you get even more freedom
Search on google :- ''why do we need to sOFF'' there is a link on ARHD blog that explains this in detail
2. The answer to your 2nd question is very simple.
To get back to full stock- as if you havent done anything to it(no root sOFF unlock etc.) So as to gain warrenty
Hit thanks if i helped you
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I did some more reading on S-Off as you suggested and it doesn't sound necessary or really worthwhile to me. As long as I can put a custom ROM on, as I've already done, then I don't see the need for S-Off as it sounds like it's just inviting trouble if you don't know what you're doing (which I admittedly don't).
Also, I don't see why anyone would ever want to go back to full stock. I read that even if you unlock and put a custom ROM on your phone that it is still covered under warranty and that it's up to the manufacturer and/or carrier to prove that the act of doing one of those things is what actually caused the phone to malfunction thus requiring warranty repair.

Drvylyne said:
I did some more reading on S-Off as you suggested and it doesn't sound necessary or really worthwhile to me. As long as I can put a custom ROM on, as I've already done, then I don't see the need for S-Off as it sounds like it's just inviting trouble if you don't know what you're doing (which I admittedly don't).
Also, I don't see why anyone would ever want to go back to full stock. I read that even if you unlock and put a custom ROM on your phone that it is still covered under warranty and that it's up to the manufacturer and/or carrier to prove that the act of doing one of those things is what actually caused the phone to malfunction thus requiring warranty repair.
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90% of people have no need for s off...since HTC let us install kernels via recovery ...now barely any people need s off... I think in Europe it doesn't matter if you unlocked and etc..you're still covered... Here in the states ...they can be a holes

I used S-Off to convert my AT&T One software to Developer edition software, then returned it to S-On. Now running totally stock developer version software, eliminates AT&T bloat and hoping I get updates a bit sooner than I would have with AT&T version.

With S-OFF you can flash kernels from the phone. S-ON you would have to do it maunally via fastboot.
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Drvylyne said:
I did some more reading on S-Off as you suggested and it doesn't sound necessary or really worthwhile to me. As long as I can put a custom ROM on, as I've already done, then I don't see the need for S-Off as it sounds like it's just inviting trouble if you don't know what you're doing (which I admittedly don't).
Also, I don't see why anyone would ever want to go back to full stock. I read that even if you unlock and put a custom ROM on your phone that it is still covered under warranty and that it's up to the manufacturer and/or carrier to prove that the act of doing one of those things is what actually caused the phone to malfunction thus requiring warranty repair.
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So you got the answer of your 1st question
Now the answer for 2nd one is very simple, though what you said about warrenty is right,
But still many times its always better to have a full stock for warrenty or replacement (by "better" i mean you dont have to prove anything to the service center)
Hit THANKS if i helped you
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squabbi said:
With S-OFF you can flash kernels from the phone. S-ON you would have to do it maunally via fastboot.
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Wrong I believe with updated HTC dev for the one...HTC unlocked that for us

Basically don't S off if you don't know what it does. It bypasses security checks and allows access to all phone partitions that if applyed wrong could brick your phone. Just flashing roms doesn't require s off
Example of mistake
Fastboot flash hboot recovery.img
This would brick your phone if you had s off, s on would deny write access!!
IF YOUR recive HELP FROM SOMEONE BE GRATEFUL AND HIT THANKS!!!
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a box of kittens said:
Wrong I believe with updated HTC dev for the one...HTC unlocked that for us
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Oh sorry. I was basing that off the One X. I S-OFF'd my One because I thought that without S-OFF I couldn't flash a kernel.
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[Q] Help for International M7

Hi,
I have a noob question, and I'm sorry that this not where i should post
I have an International HTC One M7 (4.4.2 and Sense 6). Since HTC is committed to provide OTAs for Android L, which I don't want to miss. But I want my phone to be S-Off and Unlocked bootloader. I've read a post saying that we are still eligible for OTAs if we have stock recovery, stock rom. So I just want to Unlock my bootloader and S-Off, thats it I dont want to install any recovery or flash any roms. I only want this because, i will be frank, i need that pan360 feature in my camera (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU28g9yxzN4) as you can see at 14:45 in the linked video. So what should I do? And unlocking bootloader, getting s-off and relocking the bootloader qualifies us to get OTAs? how exactly does the HTCs OTAs check in my phone before it decides whether im eligible for OTA or not.
Thanks in advance!

phsetaknev said:
Hi,
I have a noob question, and I'm sorry that this not where i should post
I have an International HTC One M7 (4.4.2 and Sense 6). Since HTC is committed to provide OTAs for Android L, which I don't want to miss. But I want my phone to be S-Off and Unlocked bootloader. I've read a post saying that we are still eligible for OTAs if we have stock recovery, stock rom. So I just want to Unlock my bootloader and S-Off, thats it I dont want to install any recovery or flash any roms. I only want this because, i will be frank, i need that pan360 feature in my camera (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU28g9yxzN4) as you can see at 14:45 in the linked video. So what should I do? And unlocking bootloader, getting s-off and relocking the bootloader qualifies us to get OTAs? how exactly does the HTCs OTAs check in my phone before it decides whether im eligible for OTA or not.
Thanks in advance!
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Ok unlocking your boot loader and getting soff will have nothing to do with getting the app. That may rely on being rooted which will mean ugly will need to flash something. To be honest I wouldn't count on an ota before there is a flashable zip built from source.

zelendel said:
Ok unlocking your boot loader and getting soff will have nothing to do with getting the app. That may rely on being rooted which will mean ugly will need to flash something. To be honest I wouldn't count on an ota before there is a flashable zip built from source.
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You mean, we dont need an OTA since side loading is already available even before the OTA reaches the devices?? If YES then does rooting enable side loading?

phsetaknev said:
You mean, we dont need an OTA since side loading is already available even before the OTA reaches the devices?? If YES then does rooting enable side loading?
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Most of the time yes. There is a built ROM from source within a matter of hours if not before most get the OTA. No rooting doesn't enable it. Just unlocked bootloader. Maybe soff depending on if there is a new radio.
And to be honest with all the issues with OTA I never advise using them.
Also looking at the video. You would have to flash a rom to get what you want anyway.

zelendel said:
Most of the time yes. There is a built ROM from source within a matter of hours if not before most get the OTA. No rooting doesn't enable it. Just unlocked bootloader. Maybe soff depending on if there is a new radio.
And to be honest with all the issues with OTA I never advise using them.
Also looking at the video. You would have to flash a rom to get what you want anyway.
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Yeah, doesnt it look cool That rom in the video is from Elegancia which is discontinued now! And is it advisable to unlock your bootloader using HTC Dev? I hear if we do that using htc dev, you will never be able to get the OTAs or am i being paranoid? (considering your suggestion of OTAs being problematic )

phsetaknev said:
Yeah, doesnt it look cool That rom in the video is from Elegancia which is discontinued now! And is it advisable to unlock your bootloader using HTC Dev? I hear if we do that using htc dev, you will never be able to get the OTAs or am i being paranoid? (considering your suggestion of OTAs being problematic )
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To be honest I stopped using gas sense 5 min after I got the device. I am one of the old school that remembers Sense before Android and think HTC killed it.
Yes you can use HTC dev to unlock the bootloader. I wish advise hitting up the device forum and reading up

Oh and on a side note. HTC comment about the L release was targeting the GPE version of the device. Not the sense version.

zelendel said:
To be honest I stopped using gas sense 5 min after I got the device. I am one of the old school that remembers Sense before Android and think HTC killed it.
Yes you can use HTC dev to unlock the bootloader. I wish advise hitting up the device forum and reading up
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Two more questions
1) How does putting a LOCKED message after unlocking the bootloader in the boot page helps? Most of the people are concerned about changing that message from UNLOCKED to LOCKED.
2) And will there be any problem if I just Unlock the bootloader and S-Off and continue using the Stock ROM from HTC that i have? I may root the device later, but keeping it like that could harm the device in any manner?

phsetaknev said:
Two more questions
1) How does putting a LOCKED message after unlocking the bootloader in the boot page helps? Most of the people are concerned about changing that message from UNLOCKED to LOCKED.
2) And will there be any problem if I just Unlock the bootloader and S-Off and continue using the Stock ROM from HTC that i have? I may root the device later, but keeping it like that could harm the device in any manner?
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To be honest They worry about it because if HTC sees that you unlocked your bootloader then your warranty is voided. While This is something most accept as a price you pay for modding your device, Some dont want to accept the responsability and try to commit fraud but altering the bootloader to relocked status.
no there should be no problem with just doing that. But to be honest there is no point until your ready to take it further.

zelendel said:
Oh and on a side note. HTC comment about the L release was targeting the GPE version of the device. Not the sense version.
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Thanks a lot for your answers I shall look for info in other threads and try to contribute. And HTC has committed to provide all the updates for a new device for 2 years, and the leaks from llabfooter on twitter show that L will also be released for other HTC one series models

zelendel said:
To be honest They worry about it because if HTC sees that you unlocked your bootloader then your warranty is voided. While This is something most accept as a price you pay for modding your device, Some dont want to accept the responsability and try to commit fraud but altering the bootloader to relocked status.
no there should be no problem with just doing that. But to be honest there is no point until your ready to take it further.
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I just wanted to post that's it Great seeing a Senior Moderator visiting the forums and answering questions

[Q] t-mobile update

Hello community
I got this amazing phone today. Is unlocked and now I am using with three mobile. my question is as follow:
I know that the phone must have been routed as I can see the superuser logo. Does it means that if i run the t-mobile update it will be locked again?
I am wondering if the seller (who does not reply) just sent me an unlocked t-mobile note 4 and i would be able to run the update without problem.
any one could help me please?

If you update you should just loose root. You won't loose unlock.
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charlie1voyvoy said:
Hello community
I got this amazing phone today. Is unlocked and now I am using with three mobile. my question is as follow:
I know that the phone must have been routed as I can see the superuser logo. Does it means that if i run the t-mobile update it will be locked again?
I am wondering if the seller (who does not reply) just sent me an unlocked t-mobile note 4 and i would be able to run the update without problem.
any one could help me please?
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If your or anyone's phone regardless of make and model
is rooted you will not be able to get the OTA update at all
unless you first un-root the phone and make sure that you
are using the official stock firmware.
The OTA updater will let you know if you are running an
un-official operating system. (like any custom roms).
However updating firmware with Odin or OTA won't re-lock the phone.
Good luck!