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What is the Nexus One Warranty worth?

I am an Android Developer, but so far I've avoided rooting my phone or trying custom kernels, but lately I get the feeling I could learn so much more by really getting behind the curtain so to speak. I keep reading that if you root the phone you may void your warranty and no longer get over the air updates.
I'm on AT&T an paid full price for my Nexus One. I also got the phone engraved so I'm wondering what value if any the warranty actually has. Is it worth mucking around with custom kernels on the Nexus one, or should I get a cheaper dev phone like the G1 ?
Looking forward to hearing advice from other developers and what you've learned versus the risks involved.
Oh, Do you still get OTA updates as well?
I'm interested in hearing from people who decided the warranty was or was not work the risk. Looks pretty easy from what I can see.
Thanks all.

Just root it without unlocking the bootloader and you're good to go

J.L.C. said:
Just root it without unlocking the bootloader and you're good to go
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^this
root is fun and even better you can keep your warranty

Does using the technique of not unlocking the bootloader also mean you can run custom ROMs and/or recoveries? Or just gain root access to the stock ROM?

flybyme said:
^this
root is fun and even better you can keep your warranty
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You CAN root your Nexus One without losing your warrenty.
I had my bootloader Unlocked, then i got a issue with mounting SD cards.
I sent the phone to HTC Repair center and just got it back today with the issues gone and Bootloader locked
Unlocking your Nexus One bootloader does void your warrenty with HTC, but if you experience hardware issues, they dont care if you unlocked your bootloader !!
By unlocking your Bootloader you can put whatever ROM on your phone you like, doesn't have to be stock
About the OTA's.
Yes you will get them if you run Stock ROM's.
You will not be able to install them however since you are not using a stock recovery image.

Wow, didn't know they didn't care about unlocked bootloader as long as your problem is in hardware. My GPS doesn't work at all and I'd like to send in my phone for repairs but the bootloader is unlocked.How long did it take for you to get your phone back?
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WebghostDK said:
You CAN root your Nexus One without losing your warrenty.
I had my bootloader Unlocked, then i got a issue with mounting SD cards.
I sent the phone to HTC Repair center and just got it back today with the issues gone and Bootloader locked
Unlocking your Nexus One bootloader does void your warrenty with HTC, but if you experience hardware issues, they dont care if you unlocked your bootloader !!
By unlocking your Bootloader you can put whatever ROM on your phone you like, doesn't have to be stock
About the OTA's.
Yes you will get them if you run Stock ROM's.
You will not be able to install them however since you are not using a stock recovery image.
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See this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=718141
they arent always so nice haha

cmcm said:
Wow, didn't know they didn't care about unlocked bootloader as long as your problem is in hardware. My GPS doesn't work at all and I'd like to send in my phone for repairs but the bootloader is unlocked.How long did it take for you to get your phone back?
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I sent my phone from Denmark to UK, it took 1½ week quite fast

Can you point me to a link with instructions on how to do this?
I've found a few videos and articles that say this can be done, but reading to the end they all say seem to be closed or say not to do it.
Is it still possible to root the phone without unlocking the bootloader? I've searched google, but keep coming up with dead ends.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=710842

[Q] S-off

Do I unlock my bootloader using HTC.com website or should I wait for a developer to create a S-Off method? do we really need S-Off?

mikevillarroel said:
Do I unlock my bootloader using HTC.com website or should I wait for a developer to create a S-Off method? do we really need S-Off?
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S-Off doesn't really have much use on this phone. Since it's Qualcomm, kernels can be flashed in recovery anyway, and the only real reason for S-Off would be to downgrade to previous firmwares.

MacHackz said:
S-Off doesn't really have much use on this phone. Since it's Qualcomm, kernels can be flashed in recovery anyway, and the only real reason for S-Off would be to downgrade to previous firmwares.
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so if I use HTC.com to unlock it, I will be able to flash roms and stuff from recovery as normally I do with my HTC 4G LTE ?(been doing it with the EVO and EVO 3D also)

i think the s-off method is preferable above HTCdev.
Warranty wise that is.
if you are s-off you won't be registered @ HTC for having unlocked your bootloader and thus reduced your warranty...

mikevillarroel said:
so if I use HTC.com to unlock it, I will be able to flash roms and stuff from recovery as normally I do with my HTC 4G LTE ?(been doing it with the EVO and EVO 3D also)
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what if you don't want htc to know that you are rooting your phone for warranty purposes
any way of doing this? anyone working on s-off?

No idea if the phone has had a chance to reach anyone outside of the EU (and slow roll out even over here.)
I'm guessing that when the phone is in the hands of a lot more people the race will be on to be the 1st to deliver s-off.
Until there's a desperate need for me to flash an updated radio or maybe a bootloader I don't appear to need it though.
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mox123 said:
what if you don't want htc to know that you are rooting your phone for warranty purposes
any way of doing this? anyone working on s-off?
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Until there has been worldwide release of the phone I doubt anybody will of even started work on it. I'd assume we might heard word of it about June time? Regarding people working on it that is.
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Will the Internation Stock Recovery work on the ATT One?

Just wondering if anyone knew if the international stock recovery will work on the ATT One?

plmiller0905 said:
Just wondering if anyone knew if the international stock recovery will work on the ATT One?
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It should work just fine buddy

Thanks Nullkill...couple of other questions then...first off Mike1986 the dev for Revolution HD Rom has a download link for the stock recovery labeled this: Download stock recovery 1.28.401.7
Is that the latest stock recovery and it should work on the ATT HTc One?
The other question is, if I wish to accept an ATT update..all I have to do is flash the stock recovery and relock the botloader for the update to come through then... correct?

plmiller0905 said:
Thanks Nullkill...couple of other questions then...first off Mike1986 the dev for Revolution HD Rom has a download link for the stock recovery labeled this: Download stock recovery 1.28.401.7
Is that the latest stock recovery and it should work on the ATT HTc One?
The other question is, if I wish to accept an ATT update..all I have to do is flash the stock recovery and relock the botloader for the update to come through then... correct?
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Yes on all accounts. Make sure to never take a AT&T OTA though. It will lock the bootloader down like Fort Knox and you will never flash again Always wait for a dev to make a ROM that will be flashable via custom recovery. I've never seen it take them more than a couple hours to make a ROM for people once a OTA comes. Munchy cool is running a bounty to get root and custom recovery on the Droid DNA for the latest OTA which last I checked was over $500 HTC does not play around with security

nullkill said:
Yes on all accounts. Make sure to never take a AT&T OTA though. It will lock the bootloader down like Fort Knox and you will never flash again Always wait for a dev to make a ROM that will be flashable via custom recovery. I've never seen it take them more than a couple hours to make a ROM for people once a OTA comes. Munchy cool is running a bounty to get root and custom recovery on the Droid DNA for the latest OTA which last I checked was over $500 HTC does not play around with security
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I thought that if you had the unlock bin, then you would be all good no matter if you accept a OTA or not. Is that not the case then?

plmiller0905 said:
I thought that if you had the unlock bin, then you would be all good no matter if you accept a OTA or not. Is that not the case then?
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Not 100% but I do not believe so. At any time AT&T or HTC can stop the unlocking at HTCDEV and then a OTA could relock your phone and you would be stuck.

nullkill said:
Not 100% but I do not believe so. At any time AT&T or HTC can stop the unlocking at HTCDEV and then a OTA could relock your phone and you would be stuck.
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Oh ok...I just thought it didn't matter because some people that has the One stated that they got the bin file and that they were all set and that they would just unlock the bootloader at a later date.
Well, I at least hope the ATT HTC One Ruu comes out soon then.
I normally don't root if there isn't a way to return back to stock at the time, but this time I did..lol
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2

plmiller0905 said:
Oh ok...I just thought it didn't matter because some people that has the One stated that they got the bin file and that they were all set and that they would just unlock the bootloader at a later date.
Well, I at least hope the ATT HTC One Ruu comes out soon then.
I normally don't root if there isn't a way to return back to stock at the time, but this time I did..lol
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LoL it will happen with HTC! Won't be long until the ATT RUU is out just make sure to grab a copy and hang on to it I've had them disappear before and couldn't find them when I needed them.
As for the other part yes you could get the unlock token .bin file and then just wait and not unlock. Now you should be able to take an OTA and then still go to HBOOT and unlock the bootloader and flash recovery. The tricky part comes in with you have no idea what AT&T stance on this might could will be. So if there is a OTA it's always best to not be the first to blindly flash it! Now I could be wrong and if you save your unlock token (unlock.bin file) you may always be able to unlock the bootloader again. I have not personally seen a OTA lock a bootloader but then again I NEVER take them so...

nullkill said:
LoL it will happen with HTC! Won't be long until the ATT RUU is out just make sure to grab a copy and hang on to it I've had them disappear before and couldn't find them when I needed them.
As for the other part yes you could get the unlock token .bin file and then just wait and not unlock. Now you should be able to take an OTA and then still go to HBOOT and unlock the bootloader and flash recovery. The tricky part comes in with you have no idea what AT&T stance on this might could will be. So if there is a OTA it's always best to not be the first to blindly flash it! Now I could be wrong and if you save your unlock token (unlock.bin file) you may always be able to unlock the bootloader again. I have not personally seen a OTA lock a bootloader but then again I NEVER take them so...
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Cool..thanks for all your insight buddy..it was very helpful
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[Q] Any reason to re-lock & unroot, plus couple of noob questions

Hi - so I recently installed AR HD 11.5, but I'm wondering now that I've done that is there any compelling reason to re-lock the bootloader? What about un-rooting... any reason to do that after I've done what I needed to whilst being rooted?
Finally, a couple of noobish questions... 1) what's the difference between unlocking the bootloader & S-ON/S-OFF? I guess I was thinking they were one and the same thing, but some of the reading I've done imply they are in fact different things. If someone could please provide a brief explanation I would appreciate it. 2) why are some people concerned about being able to flash the latest OTA update if they have a custom ROM installed? I mean, won't any custom ROM pretty quickly catch up or even surpass the latest available OTA update? For example, that's one of the reasons I chose to go with AR HD because it's already using 4.2.2 instead of 4.1.2 that came with my phone.
Thanks in advance

Drvylyne said:
Hi - so I recently installed AR HD 11.5, but I'm wondering now that I've done that is there any compelling reason to re-lock the bootloader? What about un-rooting... any reason to do that after I've done what I needed to whilst being rooted?
Finally, a couple of noobish questions... 1) what's the difference between unlocking the bootloader & S-ON/S-OFF? I guess I was thinking they were one and the same thing, but some of the reading I've done imply they are in fact different things. If someone could please provide a brief explanation I would appreciate it. 2) why are some people concerned about being able to flash the latest OTA update if they have a custom ROM installed? I mean, won't any custom ROM pretty quickly catch up or even surpass the latest available OTA update? For example, that's one of the reasons I chose to go with AR HD because it's already using 4.2.2 instead of 4.1.2 that came with my phone.
Thanks in advance
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1. sOFF permits various additional commands like fastboot flash etc.
In short you get even more freedom
Search on google :- ''why do we need to sOFF'' there is a link on ARHD blog that explains this in detail
2. The answer to your 2nd question is very simple.
To get back to full stock- as if you havent done anything to it(no root sOFF unlock etc.) So as to gain warrenty
Hit thanks if i helped you
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prunzzz said:
1. sOFF permits various additional commands like fastboot flash etc.
In short you get even more freedom
Search on google :- ''why do we need to sOFF'' there is a link on ARHD blog that explains this in detail
2. The answer to your 2nd question is very simple.
To get back to full stock- as if you havent done anything to it(no root sOFF unlock etc.) So as to gain warrenty
Hit thanks if i helped you
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I did some more reading on S-Off as you suggested and it doesn't sound necessary or really worthwhile to me. As long as I can put a custom ROM on, as I've already done, then I don't see the need for S-Off as it sounds like it's just inviting trouble if you don't know what you're doing (which I admittedly don't).
Also, I don't see why anyone would ever want to go back to full stock. I read that even if you unlock and put a custom ROM on your phone that it is still covered under warranty and that it's up to the manufacturer and/or carrier to prove that the act of doing one of those things is what actually caused the phone to malfunction thus requiring warranty repair.

Drvylyne said:
I did some more reading on S-Off as you suggested and it doesn't sound necessary or really worthwhile to me. As long as I can put a custom ROM on, as I've already done, then I don't see the need for S-Off as it sounds like it's just inviting trouble if you don't know what you're doing (which I admittedly don't).
Also, I don't see why anyone would ever want to go back to full stock. I read that even if you unlock and put a custom ROM on your phone that it is still covered under warranty and that it's up to the manufacturer and/or carrier to prove that the act of doing one of those things is what actually caused the phone to malfunction thus requiring warranty repair.
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90% of people have no need for s off...since HTC let us install kernels via recovery ...now barely any people need s off... I think in Europe it doesn't matter if you unlocked and etc..you're still covered... Here in the states ...they can be a holes

I used S-Off to convert my AT&T One software to Developer edition software, then returned it to S-On. Now running totally stock developer version software, eliminates AT&T bloat and hoping I get updates a bit sooner than I would have with AT&T version.

With S-OFF you can flash kernels from the phone. S-ON you would have to do it maunally via fastboot.
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Drvylyne said:
I did some more reading on S-Off as you suggested and it doesn't sound necessary or really worthwhile to me. As long as I can put a custom ROM on, as I've already done, then I don't see the need for S-Off as it sounds like it's just inviting trouble if you don't know what you're doing (which I admittedly don't).
Also, I don't see why anyone would ever want to go back to full stock. I read that even if you unlock and put a custom ROM on your phone that it is still covered under warranty and that it's up to the manufacturer and/or carrier to prove that the act of doing one of those things is what actually caused the phone to malfunction thus requiring warranty repair.
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So you got the answer of your 1st question
Now the answer for 2nd one is very simple, though what you said about warrenty is right,
But still many times its always better to have a full stock for warrenty or replacement (by "better" i mean you dont have to prove anything to the service center)
Hit THANKS if i helped you
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squabbi said:
With S-OFF you can flash kernels from the phone. S-ON you would have to do it maunally via fastboot.
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Wrong I believe with updated HTC dev for the one...HTC unlocked that for us

Basically don't S off if you don't know what it does. It bypasses security checks and allows access to all phone partitions that if applyed wrong could brick your phone. Just flashing roms doesn't require s off
Example of mistake
Fastboot flash hboot recovery.img
This would brick your phone if you had s off, s on would deny write access!!
IF YOUR recive HELP FROM SOMEONE BE GRATEFUL AND HIT THANKS!!!
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a box of kittens said:
Wrong I believe with updated HTC dev for the one...HTC unlocked that for us
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Oh sorry. I was basing that off the One X. I S-OFF'd my One because I thought that without S-OFF I couldn't flash a kernel.
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[Q] [S-OFF] HTC One M7 S-Off question?

Hey everyone, i am new to this XDA developers site, but have many years of experience with android devices, my latest one though, well is the htc one, i would like to know, is there any risk to using the ''Firewater'' S-OFF Command, i am just wondering this because i would like to unlock the full capability of this wonderful device, and i only have it a week or two, so i would not like to damage the device by only having it 2 weeks, i love it, but would like to unlock the full potential of it, and i also love sense and stock android, so would be seriously interested.
Bottom Line, Is there any risk of using the ''Firewater'' S-OFF Tool?
Thanks very much,
Ir1shwall3.

Ir1shWall3 said:
Hey everyone, i am new to this XDA developers site, but have many years of experience with android devices, my latest one though, well is the htc one, i would like to know, is there any risk to using the ''Firewater'' S-OFF Command, i am just wondering this because i would like to unlock the full capability of this wonderful device, and i only have it a week or two, so i would not like to damage the device by only having it 2 weeks, i love it, but would like to unlock the full potential of it, and i also love sense and stock android, so would be seriously interested.
Bottom Line, Is there any risk of using the ''Firewater'' S-OFF Tool?
Thanks very much,
Ir1shwall3.
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nope, no risk, either it will work or it wont, if it fails then there is a new one called Sunshine s-off which apparently works on the M7 but you have to pay for it, try firewater first.

I'm still not persuaded, I'm afraid it will harm it and damage my device, maybe I'll do it in the future, but thanks very much for your reply, I gave you a thanks on your answer?
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Ir1shWall3 said:
I'm still not persuaded, I'm afraid it will harm it and damage my device, maybe I'll do it in the future, but thanks very much for your reply, I gave you a thanks on your answer?
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like I said, it wont hurt it at all, it will either work or it wont, read the s-off thread if you don't believe me, ive ran it 50 times to try and get s-off and ended up doing it by java card because firewater failed. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2632351
that was before sunshine came about, if I was still s-on, I would hesitate to pay for and run sunshine right now.

Ir1shWall3 said:
Hey everyone, i am new to this XDA developers site, but have many years of experience with android devices, my latest one though, well is the htc one, i would like to know, is there any risk to using the ''Firewater'' S-OFF Command, i am just wondering this because i would like to unlock the full capability of this wonderful device, and i only have it a week or two, so i would not like to damage the device by only having it 2 weeks, i love it, but would like to unlock the full potential of it, and i also love sense and stock android, so would be seriously interested.
Bottom Line, Is there any risk of using the ''Firewater'' S-OFF Tool?
Thanks very much,
Ir1shwall3.
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having S-Off etc is the best ever i have done on my htc couldnt imagine now to have s-on again its the ultimate lol.
firewater works however it did take quite some trys back-then before it succeeded, i did alot of reading before i decided
wanting having s-off, pros/cons but conclusion now and after the reading before s-off was a no-brainer (for me)
i remember having the same thoughts to about the bricking but after reading through many topics here and other sites
i wasent that scared of it mostly nervous if it worked or not xD as the guy above says, either it works or not. for me it took many tries to as said, but ones having s-off
you wont look back i believe i guess its a preference since we all have our personal favorite if wanting s-on or off.
i would "advice" reading more through about using firewater getting inputs, i had same thoughts as you with using it at first as long with rooting etc
and i never knew or tried those things actually before i joined this awesome forum and started to use it regular. i see you are quite into the android
from your text to thats good advantage and should help as well with choosing to use or not
im aware of my low post count xD but i dont post/reply just to get posts up, only if im able to give input there may help in some way
either way, wishing you goodluck if you decided to go for it!
hah as Seanie280672 says to it might take alot of tries, its just keep going eventually it should succeed

Thanksks for the information, so it will not brick or will there be very little chance of bricking?
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Ir1shWall3 said:
Thanksks for the information, so it will not brick or will there be very little chance of bricking?
Sent from my HTC One using XDA Free mobile app
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just remember s-off actually means security off and opens up the nand to full write, its no longer protected.
therefore if you try to flash something that's not for your particular device, it will no longer fail with an error, it will flash and brick your device, s-off itself doesn't brick, the user bricks by flashing the wrong things, so make sure you know what you are doing before you go s-off, if you don't really need it, or don't know what you are doing then don't bother, there's so many users on here that don't actually know how to even identify their correct RUU for instance, and that's simple stuff, but downloading the wrong one and flashing parts of it that don't belong to your phone = a brick, but again, that's the user, not s-off.
on the other hand however, s-off can help you out a lot, take a look at the below thread, he flashed the wrong software whilst s-on and has knackered his phone up, if he was s-off then it would be easily fixable with a simple downgrade of HBOOT, but because he's s-on he now has a brick: http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one/help/help-active-cmdline-overflow-1025-bytes-t2841484

S-off is complete control of your phone. Which is the dangerous part. The process to s-off is simple and will not brick you. Just be sure to remember your model ID (like mine is M7_wlv) because all ruu files will state what model number it is and for what firmware.
The reason to want s-off? Search your specific device's ruu files and see if there is one for your version or high that is officially signed by HTC. If there is none, you will want s-off to downgrade or flash the unsigned ruu. As S-on, you cannot downgrade firmware or flash unsigned ruus
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Guys I have an international HTC one with latest ota update and h -boot(1.57.0). If I decide to leave it s-on will I be able to change os from sense to cm. I'm worried that my phone might get a kernel problem since I always had to flash the boot img to get another Rom working...just want to know if I'll be able to flash all Rome below or above my current firmware?

yasir4abbas said:
Guys I have an international HTC one with latest ota update and h -boot(1.57.0). If I decide to leave it s-on will I be able to change os from sense to cm. I'm worried that my phone might get a kernel problem since I always had to flash the boot img to get another Rom working...just want to know if I'll be able to flash all Rome below or above my current firmware?
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you can flash any custom rom as long as its for your phone, even if your s-on, you just have to be HTC Dev unlocked, just make sure its for your phone and read the OP and instructions, the guy who bricked his recently flashed CM11 designed for a completely different phone and the kernel messed one of his partitions up, he didn't read the details and instructions, it couldn't be fixed because he wasn't s-off, the fix only works if your on HBOOT 1.44 and you cant downgrade that without s-off.

yasir4abbas said:
Guys I have an international HTC one with latest ota update and h -boot(1.57.0). If I decide to leave it s-on will I be able to change os from sense to cm. I'm worried that my phone might get a kernel problem since I always had to flash the boot img to get another Rom working...just want to know if I'll be able to flash all Rome below or above my current firmware?
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Yeah, as long as the software is for your device it will be perfect, but you'll need to know the actual model number of your device, mine is m7_ul, but yours might be just m7, so be weary of what yours is, the best way of finding this out is going into the bootloader and looking at the first characters on the first line, i'm good at all this stuff, its that im just weary of making my device an expensive piece of metal and glass, if you need help, you can always send me a message

Ir1shWall3 said:
Yeah, as long as the software is for your device it will be perfect, but you'll need to know the actual model number of your device, mine is m7_ul, but yours might be just m7, so be weary of what yours is, the best way of finding this out is going into the bootloader and looking at the first characters on the first line, i'm good at all this stuff, its that im just weary of making my device an expensive piece of metal and glass, if you need help, you can always send me a message
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that's not completely true, a custom rom built for M7_UL will work just fine on the M7_U, they are the same device, just one has LTE and the other doesn't, just means those parts of the rom wont be installed.
the only rom's you cant use are HTC ONE M7 custom rom';s built for Spirint and Verizon devices.

Seanie280672 said:
that's not completely true, a custom rom built for M7_UL will work just fine on the M7_U, they are the same device, just one has LTE and the other doesn't, just means those parts of the rom wont be installed.
the only rom's you cant use are HTC ONE M7 custom rom';s built for Spirint and Verizon devices.
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Ah right! I guess the ul has 4G? You learn something new everyday!